IRC log for #maemo on 20170929

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05:47.23vahe[m]hi maemo i need ,  maemo_flasher
05:47.49vahe[m]if there is one for Linux please give
05:50.13DocScrutinizer05~tell vahe[m] about lazyflashing
05:50.44vahe[m]lazyflashing?
05:51.19vahe[m]DocScrutinizer05 , thanks for the reply, what is it?
05:51.58DocScrutinizer05all you need
05:52.44DocScrutinizer05did you notice PM of bot?
05:52.54vahe[m]DocScrutinizer05 , this super can give me a link to info for download, I would be grateful
05:53.03vahe[m]I couldn't find
05:53.10DocScrutinizer05~lazyflashing
05:53.11infobot[lazyflashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach
05:53.20vahe[m]ah yes
05:53.35vahe[m]may accaunt matrix, not irc
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05:55.05vahe[m]aha very thanks man DocScrutinizer
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10:34.33vahe[m]DocScrutinizer05 I have a strange situation , I did re-flash but all time writes that many open programs
10:34.54vahe[m]maybe firmware is not the same?
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11:03.58DocScrutinizer05export LANG=C, then pastebin the errormessage and previous commands
11:05.05DocScrutinizer05on maemo, "LANG=EN_gb"  iirc
11:05.47sicelomine's eu_US
11:06.07siceloerr .. en_US
11:07.20DocScrutinizer05then that
11:08.48DocScrutinizer05nope,
11:09.51DocScrutinizer05for me LANG=EN_gb works
11:10.37DocScrutinizer05LANG=en_GB and LANG=en_US don't work
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14:01.47DocScrutinizer05weird shit, everything random like LANG=sg_XY df|head -n1 results in english headline. while LANG=en_US df|head -n1 results in GERMAN headline
14:05.58DocScrutinizer05honestly W*T*F?!  http://paste.opensuse.org/42160490
14:07.23DocScrutinizer05sth it *terribly* broken there
14:07.51Langoorhmm i've been playing a little with my sad n900
14:08.07Langoorsorry for asking again, but are there mirrors of the (now down) nokia repo's
14:08.47LangoorNVM found them :^)
14:09.41DocScrutinizer05gawd
14:09.52DocScrutinizer05~lazyflashing
14:09.52infobotlazyflashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach
14:11.57DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/11957094  
14:12.05DocScrutinizer05scratches head
14:16.06blapis n900 armv7l ?
14:16.11DocScrutinizer05yes
14:16.31blapcould a smart person make sdl maemo apps run on sfos without recompiling?
14:16.36DocScrutinizer05not sure about the trailing l
14:16.59blapor openpandora
14:17.11blapapps
14:23.17KotCzarnysecure.paypal.com uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on September 29, 2017, 2:00 PM. The current time is September 29, 2017, 4:23 PM
14:23.18KotCzarnyhehe
14:24.04blap>_<
14:26.18blapdo you intend to open-source oscp someday KotCzarny ?
14:26.29KotCzarnyyup
14:26.43KotCzarnyonce i clean it up and find the time to upload it to github
14:27.17blapi made a useful gimp plugin that i can't really publish because too embarassing
14:27.50blapso i understand
14:27.55KotCzarny;)
14:28.07KotCzarnyalso, there is already source available with the arch package
14:28.52blapyou should get a droid 4 with sailfish!
14:29.04KotCzarnysomehow qt scares me
14:29.10KotCzarnygtk is nice and cosy
14:29.12blaphas terminal
14:29.14KotCzarny*cozy
14:29.32blapi don't know any qt
14:30.06blapan oscp that has a clickable app icon that opens a terminal would be fine
14:30.17DocScrutinizer05WUT??
14:30.29DocScrutinizer05and maybe a swimming pool?
14:30.32KotCzarnywell, you can run the binary from maemo then
14:30.42KotCzarnyunless you need alsa build
14:30.50KotCzarnybut i think sailfish uses pulse?
14:31.29Langoorisn't the sailfish ui propietary?
14:31.36DocScrutinizer05yes
14:31.41Langoorsad
14:32.07LangoorI'll also have a droid 4 soon
14:32.10Langoor:x
14:32.27blapis no problem to make sfos apps
14:32.53DocScrutinizer05it's no problem to make iOS apps
14:33.26blapso is no problem
14:33.33DocScrutinizer05a phone OS where it's a problem to make apps is still born
14:33.50blapwait, what is the problem to make apps using sfos ui
14:34.11DocScrutinizer05blap: I guess the take of most maemo users on FOSS is different
14:36.19DocScrutinizer05and sailfish not only has proprietary roof but also usually has blob basement called Android RIL
14:36.35blapoh
14:37.18blaphttps://sailfishos.org/wiki/Cellular_Telephony_Architecture
14:38.14blapso this is driven by their goal of running on multiple phone platforms, unlike nokia which could make their own HAL?
14:41.21blap"
14:41.23blapThere is no standard for the HAL modem software interface implement and a proprietary command set is typically needed to use the full functionality of the modem. "
14:44.26DocScrutinizer05that's true but no excuse
14:44.31blapOn Pyra, WizardStan writes: "The radio is just a TTY and USB audio device. Send AT commands to the TTY to start a call (or get data, or whatever) an open the microphone/speaker on the audio device to send and receive audio"
14:44.50DocScrutinizer05yes, and that IS a standard
14:44.55DocScrutinizer053GPP
14:45.28DocScrutinizer05and it's exactly what Neo900 uses too
14:45.49blapso talking to the usb device bypasses android blob?
14:46.02DocScrutinizer05huh?
14:46.16DocScrutinizer05android hardware has no USB
14:46.23blapoh
14:46.26DocScrutinizer05regularly
14:46.35blaprather to tty
14:47.07blapwould it be easy to bypass the blob to make ofono talk to the radio?
14:47.14DocScrutinizer05that is incorrect: Pyra has a USB-tty for AT commands and a normal PCM audio
14:50.05DocScrutinizer05http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/talk.pdf#15 (p.16: RIL) to p.23 (Neo900 unique)
14:50.40DocScrutinizer05pyra looks like p.17
14:51.14DocScrutinizer05or maybe p.21
14:52.14DocScrutinizer05http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/neo900-wpwrak_CCC2015.webm
14:53.51DocScrutinizer05so the answer to your question is: no, RIL is a mandatory part of modem firmware stack and there's no way to bypass it
14:54.41blapok
14:56.17DocScrutinizer05on sailfish phone the "RIL" and modem firmware is the Dom0 aka virtualization host and all "linux" basically runs in a VM under it
14:58.10blapthis is new to me.  why is that so?
14:58.32DocScrutinizer05which is the reason why Saifish incmustn't even publish firmware images so users could unbrick/recover their phones - the Inc isn't holding any rights in the "RIL" and modem stack and thus can't offer the image to general public
14:59.28DocScrutinizer05this is so because modem firmware and linux share CPU and RAM
15:00.04blapi would prefer a standard spec'd at-command set and no shared memory
15:00.41blapmy old US robotics external modem didn't have access to my system either
15:00.55DocScrutinizer05and since you legally mustn't allow linux to have control over internals of modem, it's modem that has to be master over linux since on this hw architecture you can't separate them sufficiently so none would be master of the other. One *jas* to be master and that's modem by legal requirements
15:01.18blapthat is depressing
15:01.55DocScrutinizer05s/jas/has
15:02.37DocScrutinizer05result: http://neo900.org/news/about-the-asn1-vulnerability
15:05.46blapah
15:08.48DocScrutinizer05for cost and size optimization rationale, (almost) all recent smartphones integrate modem and Application Processor Environment into one SoC that shares CPUs and RAM
15:09.24blapit's not plausible to me that phone mfgrs design such bad security by accident
15:10.09DocScrutinizer05downside of this is that you can't do anything about ASN.1 bug and similar attack vectors, due to the mere hw architecture
15:13.06blapthank you for sharing your knowledge
15:13.24DocScrutinizer05you're very welcome
15:37.45DocScrutinizer05faintly on topic: http://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2017/09/over-air-vol-2-pt-1-exploiting-wi-fi.html
15:38.15DocScrutinizer05it's the sequel to the broadcom exploit of a few weeks ago
15:39.10DocScrutinizer05https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.de/2017/04/over-air-exploiting-broadcoms-wi-fi_11.html this one
15:40.33DocScrutinizer05then we also had https://www.armis.com/blueborne/ - interesting times indeed
15:42.07blapi saw an offline laptop get windows updates in 2012
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17:37.35NeKit<DocScrutinizer05> on sailfish phone the "RIL" and modem firmware is the Dom0 aka virtualization host and all "linux" basically runs in a VM under it
17:38.14NeKitI'm not sure about what kind of control modem has on OS/device, but RIL itself is not virtualized
17:38.37NeKitit's a daemon talking to modem
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22:36.35Maxdamantuswonders if the lock switch thing can be removed/replaced from the case.
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22:50.40blapor glue it
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22:56.25MaxdamantusCould just do it without taking it out I guess.
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23:02.25Wizzupthat's kind of funny out of context
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