| 00:48.06 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: i just wrote this command: ps xao pid,ppid|perl -ne 'next unless s/ 0$//; print'|sort -nr|xargs -n1 pstree -uap |
| 00:48.21 | timeless | because the obvious command `pstree -uap` didn't work :o |
| 00:48.53 | timeless | wonders if anyone can guess why the obvious command failed / why the less obvious command worked |
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| 01:02.30 | timeless | sighs |
| 01:02.38 | timeless | linux tools are weird |
| 01:53.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: sorry, no idea |
| 01:53.35 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: lxd/lxc |
| 01:53.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 01:53.50 | timeless | the container has a root process (1) |
| 01:53.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | blame systemd ;-P |
| 01:54.00 | timeless | nah, not actually systemd's fault |
| 01:54.15 | timeless | but whenever one "attaches" an extra instance into the lxc, it isn't rooted to (1) |
| 01:54.23 | timeless | it's just "poofed" into existence |
| 01:55.01 | timeless | is trying to figure out the easiest way to get a mail system working in this lxc thing |
| 01:55.22 | timeless | basically, i have a cron session which runs a fairly fancy script, and i want to know that the script is working |
| 01:55.30 | timeless | normally, cron would send email for output |
| 01:55.55 | timeless | but... this lxc doesn't have a mail system configured, and my naive attempt at configuring debian-exim failed miserably |
| 01:56.32 | timeless | (I need /etc/passwd and /etc/group to be symlinks to elsewhere, because what I'm actually doing is rsync-backing-up another computer and i want to be able to see the usernames/groups from that other computer) |
| 01:56.52 | timeless | (that other computer doesn't have Debian-exim, so [debian] exim4 refuses to work) |
| 02:50.17 | timeless | turns out, setting up what i wanted for email w/ postfix was trivial :) |
| 03:30.51 | stryngs | #TrevorForget =) |
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| 12:40.53 | blap | KotCzarny: is there a oscp for sailfish? |
| 12:41.00 | blap | i forgot if i asked before |
| 12:41.05 | KotCzarny | not yet |
| 12:41.19 | KotCzarny | sailfish uses weird software stack |
| 12:41.24 | blap | do you have interest in a droid 4 with sfos? |
| 12:41.39 | KotCzarny | if you are talking about donation, why not :P |
| 12:41.47 | blap | reduced price |
| 12:41.54 | KotCzarny | but i prefer good ol' n900 with normal linux |
| 12:41.58 | blap | ok |
| 12:42.15 | blap | with droid4 i have mostly usable webbrowsing |
| 12:42.32 | KotCzarny | i have usable webbrowsing with n900 |
| 12:42.38 | KotCzarny | but i'm patient enough |
| 12:42.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:42.46 | KotCzarny | gotta go, bbl |
| 12:42.49 | blap | ok |
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| 15:13.43 | Langoor | I dont know if this is the right place.. but I just got a N900 today |
| 15:13.48 | Langoor | the LCD is a little weird |
| 15:14.19 | Langoor | like 9/10th of the screen looks way more gray, then there is a little green bar and then the screen is normal |
| 15:14.29 | freemangordon | yes, this is the right place |
| 15:15.16 | freemangordon | could be the flat cable that connects screen to the board |
| 15:15.28 | Langoor | https://i.imgur.com/yq4iytp.jpg |
| 15:15.31 | Langoor | thats a picture |
| 15:15.39 | Langoor | the pixels appear fine |
| 15:16.15 | freemangordon | but better wait for somebody who had problems with the screen to reply |
| 15:16.27 | freemangordon | as I have never had any |
| 15:16.32 | Langoor | allright |
| 15:16.45 | Langoor | this thing was cheap (20 euro) but its in a pretty meh shape |
| 15:16.57 | Langoor | sliders arent really smooth |
| 15:16.57 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 15:17.18 | freemangordon | this is your first n900? |
| 15:18.07 | Langoor | yup |
| 15:18.24 | freemangordon | ah, you're a bit late for the party :) |
| 15:18.35 | Langoor | yup |
| 15:19.05 | Langoor | I dont like the direct android and ios are going, from a privacy standpoint |
| 15:19.12 | Langoor | so while searching alternatives I came across the n900 |
| 15:19.16 | Langoor | I just think its a cool concept |
| 15:20.12 | freemangordon | parazyd: hi! how we are dealing with bugfixes/new package releases? or we still don;t have something established. https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/codelockui/commit/8b65603b28f75b97557c19d0c1af78ef819445ac |
| 15:20.21 | freemangordon | Langoor: this is *the* device |
| 15:20.52 | freemangordon | unfortunately noone produces something even closer to it, and it is aging |
| 15:20.57 | Langoor | I like it so far, if it wasnt the lcd :( |
| 15:21.15 | freemangordon | replacement screens are cheap and easy to change afaik |
| 15:21.24 | Langoor | I couldnt find one |
| 15:21.28 | Langoor | well, one for 25 euro on ebay |
| 15:21.41 | freemangordon | well, I guess 25 is cheap |
| 15:22.50 | Langoor | I tought it was rather expensive |
| 15:23.14 | freemangordon | Langoor: btw, 2 more things to check on your devica - USB port (is it charging) and SIM card circuitry - the famous "all telephony functions disabled" error |
| 15:23.21 | freemangordon | *device |
| 15:23.37 | Langoor | charging and usb works, already connected it to my pc |
| 15:23.55 | freemangordon | well, I guess it depends on the budged (re cheap) |
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| 15:24.14 | freemangordon | Langoor: do you know talk.maemo.org? |
| 15:25.03 | bencoh | Langoor: congratz, and welcome aboard :) |
| 15:25.28 | freemangordon | bencoh: do you remember somebody having problems with the screen? |
| 15:25.48 | KotCzarny | Langoor: be cautious with usb port |
| 15:26.03 | bencoh | I dont remember who had issues, but maybe grepping (googling?) chan logs might help |
| 15:26.04 | freemangordon | mhm, it is fragile |
| 15:26.10 | KotCzarny | it's one of the flaws of n900 if treated roughly |
| 15:26.12 | blap | yeah many of mine died usb death |
| 15:26.24 | KotCzarny | mine is 8 years and still working |
| 15:26.31 | freemangordon | same here |
| 15:26.35 | KotCzarny | but i always align plug and device |
| 15:26.48 | KotCzarny | and using the same cable |
| 15:26.49 | freemangordon | but I filed all the chargers sprongs ;) |
| 15:26.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:26.54 | bencoh | :] |
| 15:26.55 | freemangordon | *springs |
| 15:26.58 | KotCzarny | mine are probably filed from use ;) |
| 15:27.36 | freemangordon | bencoh: wanna do some packaging? :p |
| 15:27.38 | Langoor | SIM works as well |
| 15:27.41 | Langoor | nice :D |
| 15:27.53 | bencoh | freemangordon: not sure I'll have time for it, but fire anyway :) |
| 15:28.21 | KotCzarny | Langoor: also be cutious with keyboard, there is a suspicion that modem failure comes from too much pressure from the top (kb) |
| 15:28.32 | freemangordon | ah, if you don;t have time, I'll do it, I was asking in case you have some spare time |
| 15:28.44 | KotCzarny | *cautious |
| 15:28.46 | Langoor | allright thanks for warning |
| 15:28.51 | Langoor | I think I found the problem with the lcd |
| 15:29.03 | KotCzarny | also, there is a high chance you can find fully functional device for 20-30eur |
| 15:29.10 | bencoh | freemangordon: quite busy these days, it should be a bit better in a few weeks |
| 15:29.20 | freemangordon | Langoor: could you share? |
| 15:29.23 | KotCzarny | most of mine were bought for 15-30eur |
| 15:29.26 | freemangordon | bencoh: sure, np |
| 15:29.55 | Langoor | yeah im uploading the picture |
| 15:30.00 | Langoor | I cant find N900's here for cheap |
| 15:30.09 | Langoor | they go for 150 (!!!) on a 2nd hand site |
| 15:30.20 | Langoor | https://i.imgur.com/MdcjCgs.jpg |
| 15:30.24 | Langoor | looks like a small crack in the lcd |
| 15:30.41 | bencoh | Langoor: is that a crack? |
| 15:30.46 | Langoor | im not sure |
| 15:30.47 | bencoh | :/ |
| 15:30.54 | Langoor | its not in the digitizer |
| 15:30.57 | Langoor | might be in the lcd |
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| 15:31.20 | freemangordon | yeah, looks like a crack |
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| 15:32.30 | KotCzarny | Langoor: wanna start a bussiness? i will get the ones from here for 30eur, you will pay me 50eur for each and sell for whatever you like :> |
| 15:33.02 | KotCzarny | bencoh: looks like a crack |
| 15:35.36 | Langoor | previous owner left all his shit on it |
| 15:35.43 | Langoor | still has contacts, pictures everything |
| 15:35.52 | Langoor | and a lot of games |
| 15:36.22 | KotCzarny | maybe it was mugged or lost |
| 15:36.32 | KotCzarny | try calling him and asking if he wants his data back |
| 15:36.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:36.48 | KotCzarny | being lost seems like a 90% probability |
| 15:37.49 | Langoor | dammit shitty lcd |
| 15:37.57 | bencoh | lost n900 :( |
| 15:37.58 | Langoor | I think tryting to get a new one is cheaper then replacing it? |
| 15:38.08 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 15:38.11 | Langoor | motherboard is still fine, usb and sim works |
| 15:38.17 | KotCzarny | but also a roulette |
| 15:38.26 | bencoh | finding a new one is probably simpler / cheaper yeah |
| 15:38.30 | KotCzarny | keep as a donor or taker |
| 15:38.57 | bencoh | and you can still use either of the twos to build a complete device anyway |
| 15:39.02 | Langoor | yeah |
| 15:39.05 | KotCzarny | but most likely you can get cheap 'no usb worky' or 'no modem worky' |
| 15:39.10 | Langoor | how hard are they to service? |
| 15:39.16 | KotCzarny | 4 screws |
| 15:39.23 | bencoh | Langoor: we have service manuals |
| 15:39.24 | KotCzarny | and one cable to fit in |
| 15:39.26 | bencoh | and schematics :) |
| 15:39.33 | KotCzarny | trivial to replace screen assembly |
| 15:39.40 | Langoor | ohhh nice |
| 15:40.54 | KotCzarny | a bit harder if you want to replace only lcd |
| 15:41.09 | KotCzarny | so best bet is to get an n900 woth good screen |
| 15:41.19 | Langoor | ah nice |
| 15:41.26 | Langoor | it still has someones msn account in it wow |
| 15:42.04 | KotCzarny | if you want to returm data to owner, stop browsing, otherwise reflash |
| 15:42.08 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 15:42.08 | infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing |
| 15:42.27 | Langoor | I'll flash it |
| 15:43.22 | parazyd | freemangordon: stagnated a little bit. been busy with work. should continue soon |
| 15:43.35 | parazyd | freemangordon: we only need to fix the arm repository generation, everything else is set |
| 15:44.08 | freemangordon | parazyd: ok, how to trigger a new build for a package? |
| 15:44.35 | parazyd | can we continue in the other channel? |
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| 15:52.58 | mehdi__ | Hi there, |
| 16:00.23 | blap | hi |
| 16:05.56 | mehdi__ | I have an unscheduled system reboot related to an application failure and the only access I have to the system is via Remote Terminal. How would I determine the cause? |
| 16:08.33 | blap | new 160terabit/s cable laid across atlantic |
| 16:08.46 | blap | i don't know mehdi__ |
| 16:10.07 | bencoh | dunno what kind of system you're referring to but you could start by grepping the logs |
| 16:10.13 | bencoh | (or just reading the logs actually) |
| 16:10.26 | Langoor | the download link for the flasher is dead? |
| 16:11.09 | bencoh | which link are you referring to? |
| 16:12.14 | mehdi__ | well, I need a command line to check which app... |
| 16:12.17 | Langoor | ~flashing |
| 16:12.17 | infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing |
| 16:12.20 | Langoor | first link |
| 16:12.23 | Langoor | download for N900 |
| 16:12.30 | bencoh | by the way the main server for muarf.org isn't reachable for now, so I just changed the DNS records for mirrors.muarf.org and maemo.muarf.org to point to a fallback |
| 16:12.35 | Langoor | "Download the Flasher for your device model: N900, N810, N800 or 770" |
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| 16:12.51 | Langoor | and the firmware images too |
| 16:12.59 | mehdi__ | I know that logs are into /var/log/syslog /var/log/kern.log /var/log/dmesg |
| 16:13.06 | bencoh | but you might experience some downtime in case of old dns cache |
| 16:13.31 | mehdi__ | but with command lines, how to check the app? |
| 16:13.35 | Langoor | I guess nokia software updater doenst work anymore? |
| 16:13.46 | bencoh | Langoor: official nokia links are pretty much all dead yeah |
| 16:14.03 | bencoh | which is why we have mirrors / backups :) |
| 16:14.38 | mehdi__ | @bencoh: the system = Ubuntu for example |
| 16:14.56 | Langoor | im trying to get my n900 on a fresh install |
| 16:14.59 | Langoor | factory reset so to say |
| 16:22.07 | freemangordon | Langoor: use your favorite console text editor/viewer (vi or mcview or whatever) and open /var/log/syslog. Check what happened there |
| 16:22.21 | freemangordon | oops |
| 16:22.25 | freemangordon | mehdi__: ^^^ |
| 16:24.15 | bencoh | ~lazyflashing |
| 16:24.16 | infobot | lazyflashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach |
| 16:24.34 | bencoh | Langoor: have a look at ^^^ then - read script before launching it, though :) |
| 16:31.25 | Langoor | allright, thanks |
| 16:33.40 | mehdi__ | yea that's it! @freemangordon |
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