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| 01:31.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, SIP is P2P |
| 01:32.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | just nobody uses it that way |
| 01:39.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.onsip.com/blog/sip-account |
| 01:43.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | note they say you not only can create a group up to 100 users that have basically same domain name in their SIP address, they also promise calling and receiving calls from *any* SIP addresses in the internet |
| 01:47.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | not as if this was anything special. All SIP registrars *could* offer that and e.g. sipgate.de did it until some years ago when they stopped prolly to maximize their ROI and to protect their users from unsolicited SPAM calls which only make sense when they are for free |
| 01:48.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course you as well could run your own registrar server if you want |
| 01:50.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | funny enough almost all landline phones in Germany got converted to "triple play" SIP now, and basically not a single one of those offers the full SIP featureset |
| 01:51.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather the ISPs pretend it was a normal landline phone |
| 01:54.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_play_(telecommunications) |
| 02:10.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and just if you wonder: my SIP accounts on N900 are always activated, are pretty humble on bandwidth while not on call and work 100% fine via 3G internet, on 2G bandwidth results are mixed |
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| 02:36.58 | blap | looks like the way to go |
| 02:37.00 | blap | ty |
| 02:37.03 | blap | DocScrutinizer05: may i pm something? |
| 02:38.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 02:38.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I'm afk now |
| 02:38.23 | blap | ok |
| 02:41.10 | LjL | DocScrutinizer05, https://ring.cx/ does use SIP that way |
| 02:48.55 | blap | i see OpenDHT protocol, peer-to-peer discovery |
| 02:49.13 | blap | but ty for the link |
| 02:50.03 | blap | can i have ring act as a client for my telekom sip-capable router? |
| 02:54.04 | blap | LjL: any experience with Ring on mobile? Or know the openDHT idle-bandwidth? |
| 02:56.48 | LjL | blap, last i tried it, the idle bandwidth and associated battery use was sadly still past the "acceptable" line. i have a belief that being a DHT doesn't intrinsically prevent it from being made efficient on mobile, but not many seem to agree with me there |
| 02:57.30 | LjL | blap, and OpenDHT is for peer discovery indeed (and also text chat in certain cases), but then the actual audio/video link is established using SIP |
| 02:57.58 | LjL | and yes, it can also be used as a standard SIP client by adding a SIP according instead or in addition to a Ring account within the client |
| 02:58.11 | LjL | a SIP account* |
| 02:58.15 | LjL | "according", feh |
| 03:01.28 | blap | hm |
| 03:01.54 | blap | i wonder if my stupid telekom router can route one of my numbers to my sip client on laptop |
| 03:02.30 | blap | did you build Ring for maemo LjL ? |
| 03:03.10 | LjL | no, honestly i didn't even think of that. once it's usable on Android without keeping wifi on all the time... |
| 03:03.39 | LjL | my ISP's router uses SIP internally but there's no way to "grab" it that doesn't involve ugly stuff like arp poisoning |
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| 03:08.59 | blap | ah |
| 03:09.12 | blap | i don't even know if sip traffic is visible on the lan side |
| 03:09.36 | blap | doubt it |
| 03:10.45 | blap | it lets me assign the incoming calls to physical sockets |
| 03:24.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you usually can't access that. It's SIP but not "public". Unless your ISP/telco provides the SIP data/credentials there's hardly any chance to log in any other SIP client than the "TerminalAdapter" ModemRouter thing.your router might offer local SIP clients via (W)LAN and you *could* attach a B2BUA like asterisk to that and log in / connect to it via your regular internet access |
| 03:31.30 | blap | lame |
| 03:31.52 | blap | the cellphone could be a wlan+sip phone that rings with your regular number |
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| 03:48.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | mine is |
| 03:48.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | my regular number is with sipgate.de |
| 03:51.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | since times of twinklephone-0.4 |
| 03:56.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you only want VoIP (without access/gateway to PSTN aka "telephone"), you also could check what https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekiga does meanwhile. Back when I wasn't happy with them, poor service not really compatible with the refernce SIP softphone implementation (twinkle ;.D ) |
| 03:58.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW their registrar only worked with their UA software |
| 04:09.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the maemo SIP client worked even with N810 / maemo4 |
| 04:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/with/since/ |
| 04:49.32 | Vajb | which is more likely to cause segfaults, cpu or memory issues? |
| 04:50.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | memory |
| 04:50.24 | Vajb | that's what i thought... |
| 04:50.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | though the question sounds pretty much failing the point |
| 04:51.12 | Vajb | it was not n900 related |
| 04:51.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | segfaults on PC are 95% PSU and/or mainboard buffer caps, and only 5% CPU&RAM |
| 04:51.55 | Vajb | i upgraded both in my desktop and segfaults started |
| 04:52.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | my point stands. Faster CPU/RAM is more sensitive to crappy noisy power supply |
| 04:53.30 | Vajb | yes that does stand |
| 04:53.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you wouldn't believe how often I found a sloppy RAM or CPU insertion into their sockets caused trouble |
| 04:54.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'd think that thing never could run with half of the RAM pins not inserted to the socker, but it does, just degfaults like mad |
| 04:55.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | socket & segfaults* |
| 04:56.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | my "recent" issues with constant IO errors on my HDD RAID1 turned out to be caused by the 60ct worth Y-cable in power supply |
| 04:57.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | run a memtest! |
| 04:58.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | every decent linux installer DVD has one |
| 05:04.25 | Vajb | i have case open so i was thinking just to pull each mem off and try if segfaults stops |
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| 06:08.04 | enyc | meeps |
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| 10:23.23 | jonwil | hi |
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| 11:14.38 | Wikiwide | Okay, this channel works. |
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| 11:16.04 | Wikiwide | Anybody knows how cellular 3G Internet works? |
| 11:17.35 | Wikiwide | I had Optus SIM card in my N900, used its Internet. Now I have a Vodafone PennyTel SIM card in my N900. Still, N900 has Optus Internet working. Is it really Optus internet working somehow, or is it Vodafone Internet? |
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| 13:15.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: for sure Vodafone now |
| 13:18.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | though, *IF* Optus uses the same band (minutes reseller of Vodafone) then they possibly work both and your APN settings still are on Optus |
| 13:22.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask jonwil |
| 13:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | smscb which also handles carrier headline iirc |
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| 14:47.55 | blap | what do you think about 'ring'? https://ring.cx/ |
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| 21:22.14 | NeKit | <Masterboy> okay first pics incomming https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B260T5Oj5DtQZVh4NmwtNVI4c28 |
| 21:22.14 | NeKit | <Masterboy> hildon on nexus flo |
| 21:22.20 | NeKit | it works with freedreno |
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