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| 05:51.03 | brolin_empey | deepy: A program written for the Java platform is not a cross-platform program, it is a single-platform program because the Java platform is its only supported platform. |
| 06:24.51 | Oksana | Yes, but Java is widely supported. Though, with Android and Symbian both supporting Java, I have to ask: can an Android app be run on a Symbian phone? |
| 06:25.06 | KotCzarny | nope. android doesnt support java |
| 06:25.19 | KotCzarny | you cant run arbitrary .jar on android |
| 06:25.53 | KotCzarny | basic code might work, but anything supporting graphic toolkits will fail (ie. any graphical app, ie. anything usable) |
| 06:35.23 | NeKit | Android doesn't use .jars at all |
| 06:35.38 | NeKit | it has custom Java VM implementation and bytecode format |
| 06:36.08 | KotCzarny | that's what i meant |
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| 07:12.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | err wut? not only my client, even povbot has no context on that |
| 07:12.35 | sicelo | nor does Symbian support Java (j2me != java) |
| 07:13.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, there 2017-09-08 Fri 14:09:00] |
| 07:52.09 | brolin_empey | Java has multiple meanings in computing, including the Java platform and the Java programming language. Android applications are often written in the Java programming language but Android does not use the Java platform. |
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| 11:38.43 | Maxdamantus | Android will have its own API, expressed as classes/interfaces that are assumed by applications to be provided. |
| 11:39.14 | Maxdamantus | Those would need to be implemented to run Android code. |
| 11:40.22 | Maxdamantus | Same with J2ME .. it's some subset of Java SE (possibly all of Java SE, not sure), plus some additional classes that are assumed to exist. |
| 11:40.37 | Wizzup | is there a a way to run android applications on a gnu system? |
| 11:40.41 | Wizzup | like, somewhat natively |
| 11:40.47 | Wizzup | I recall something showed up recently |
| 11:41.02 | bencoh | there are basically two projects |
| 11:41.14 | bencoh | one is dead, the other is ... quite difficult to build |
| 11:41.22 | Wizzup | got names/links? |
| 11:41.42 | bencoh | sashlik, and ... forgot |
| 11:42.24 | Maxdamantus | apkenv? |
| 11:42.38 | Maxdamantus | I'm not really familiar with any of it though. |
| 11:42.43 | bencoh | apkenv is quite different |
| 11:42.53 | Wizzup | I read about sashlik recently I think |
| 11:43.32 | Enrico_Menotti | anbox, Android in a box? |
| 11:44.16 | Enrico_Menotti | Wizzup bencoh ^^^? |
| 11:44.16 | Wizzup | bencoh: so which one is the 'dead' one? |
| 11:44.48 | bencoh | could be anbox yeah |
| 11:44.58 | bencoh | and shashlik is the most recent one I suppose |
| 11:45.04 | Wizzup | shashlik seems somewhat active |
| 11:45.12 | Wizzup | might be fun to try on a n900 some time |
| 11:45.23 | Wizzup | https://github.com/shashlik last commits over a year though |
| 11:45.24 | bencoh | err wait no, anbox is the recent one |
| 11:45.30 | Enrico_Menotti | Anbox is not dead. There's a channel on irc. |
| 11:45.53 | Enrico_Menotti | I'm trying on Devuan on my old laptop right now. |
| 11:45.54 | Wizzup | hm, but that's an android ocntainer? |
| 11:46.07 | Enrico_Menotti | Seems not exactly a container. |
| 11:46.11 | Enrico_Menotti | A minute. |
| 11:46.17 | bencoh | it does use lxc |
| 11:46.27 | bencoh | so yeah, somehow |
| 11:46.48 | Wizzup | anbox looks fun |
| 11:46.51 | Enrico_Menotti | https://anbox.io |
| 11:48.07 | Enrico_Menotti | https://github.com/anbox/anbox/blob/master/docs/runtime-setup.md |
| 11:48.36 | Wizzup | maybe we can package that for hildon-on-devuan at some point |
| 11:48.52 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes, that's an idea. |
| 11:48.53 | Enrico_Menotti | :) |
| 12:12.48 | Maxdamantus | > As Anbox is running an entire Android system, conceptually any application can run. |
| 12:12.56 | Maxdamantus | Doesn't sound ideal for N900. |
| 12:13.10 | Maxdamantus | though haven't looked at anything but that website, so might be wrong. |
| 12:13.39 | parazyd | not for n900 at all |
| 12:13.46 | parazyd | these android apps use way too much ram |
| 12:20.18 | Maxdamantus | Ew, this shashlink.io site forces smooth scrolling. |
| 12:20.34 | Maxdamantus | doesn't think he's noticed any websites doing that before. |
| 12:21.14 | Maxdamantus | Next thing you know, websites will be trying to make me use non-system-provided fonts. |
| 12:22.03 | KotCzarny | welcome to the wonderful world of web2.0 |
| 12:22.42 | KotCzarny | firefox should have a requester asking for js permission to override keys |
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| 15:33.50 | xy2_ | Maxdamantus: can't they already do that, though? |
| 15:37.17 | xy2_ | Maxdamantus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_typography |
| 15:37.32 | KotCzarny | he meant it sarcastically |
| 15:38.09 | xy2_ | oh |
| 15:38.11 | KotCzarny | as in 'he hates custom fonts as much as smooth scroll, yet, there will be someone glitching standards to show them on his device' |
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| 16:05.11 | newbieAlert | What is the last operating voltage for Intex Aqua fish ?? For N900l, it is something fo 3.2 volts. |
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| 16:23.30 | grfdgfd | Hey, my Linux installation broke, I am on Windows right now and I'm trying to import my PGP keys. They're encrypted using "keychain", how do I decrypt the files (on Windows) or in a VM? |
| 16:24.02 | grfdgfd | file starts like: (11:private-key(3:rsa(1:n257: |
| 16:24.20 | grfdgfd | I got the keychain password but no idea how to decrypt it using it |
| 16:28.11 | grfdgfd | ~\.gnupg\private-keys-v1.d |
| 16:28.32 | grfdgfd | all the files in that directory I need to decrypt so I can re-import the keys on my new installation |
| 16:28.32 | grfdgfd | how :( |
| 16:35.15 | bencoh | uh |
| 16:35.18 | bencoh | ? |
| 16:37.23 | grfdgfd | I have a backup of my linux drive |
| 16:37.31 | grfdgfd | trying to extract my PGP private keys from it |
| 16:37.48 | grfdgfd | but all my private keys are encrypted with my keychain password, I have the password but I have no idea how to start the decryption process |
| 16:38.50 | bencoh | well that's the part I dont get ... "encrypted with my keychain" |
| 16:39.12 | grfdgfd | aha okay ill try to explain |
| 16:39.39 | grfdgfd | by default, Linux doesnt store saved passwords etc in plaintext, it uses the "keychain" to encrypt it using RSA or something |
| 16:39.40 | bencoh | if your keys are sitting in the encrypted backup you'll hae a hard time decrypting it :/ |
| 16:39.50 | grfdgfd | why? I have the decryption password |
| 16:39.56 | grfdgfd | just I don't know what software to use |
| 16:40.24 | bencoh | what did you encrypt your backup with? |
| 16:40.57 | grfdgfd | the backup itself is not encrypted, just my PGP private keys are encrypted with my keychain |
| 16:41.14 | bencoh | what's this "keychain"? |
| 16:41.53 | grfdgfd | Gnome Keyring* |
| 16:41.53 | grfdgfd | sorry |
| 16:41.56 | grfdgfd | https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/GnomeKeyring?action=show&redirect=GnomeKeyring |
| 16:42.13 | bencoh | ah well, no freaking idea what gnome does |
| 16:42.20 | bencoh | :/ |
| 16:42.38 | grfdgfd | mate :( this is really important ;( if you know som1 who can help xD |
| 16:42.43 | grfdgfd | it should be really easy :/ |
| 16:43.08 | grfdgfd | aha it's AES-128 encrypted, where can I Find a windows program to decrypt AES-128 |
| 16:43.11 | grfdgfd | :/ |
| 16:43.16 | bencoh | someone that uses or has been using gnome in the past maybe |
| 16:43.29 | bencoh | tbh I'd rather do that from linux if anything |
| 16:43.48 | grfdgfd | the keyring shit is done by default to all your stored passwords and pgp in Ubuntu at least |
| 16:44.15 | grfdgfd | yeah I understand, but you wanna know what happened? :p |
| 16:44.50 | bencoh | if you have a "full" backup (all your home at least) then maybe rsyncing it to a freshly installed ubuntu of the same version would work |
| 16:45.16 | bencoh | well, why not :> |
| 16:45.20 | grfdgfd | I made a VMware Workstation virtual machine, pointed it to my physical drive, it boots up, I type in my decryption passwords etc to boot into my ubuntu installation, it then goes into emergency mode for god knows what reason, and then when I reboot my pc physically I get thrown to emergency mode as well, so I somehow bricked my install simply by bo |
| 16:45.20 | grfdgfd | oting into it once as a VM |
| 16:45.45 | grfdgfd | the backup is essentially every single file as they were but I can't boot into it anymore^ |
| 16:46.57 | bencoh | ouch |
| 16:47.18 | grfdgfd | ikr?! |
| 16:47.25 | grfdgfd | works fine for booting into windows and shit |
| 16:47.32 | grfdgfd | just pop up a VM |
| 16:47.38 | grfdgfd | point it to the physical drive |
| 16:47.55 | grfdgfd | but jewbuntu no :( |
| 17:02.27 | grfdgfd | help |
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| 18:57.36 | grfdgfd | help |
| 18:58.40 | APic | What is up? |
| 18:58.44 | APic | Ah |
| 18:58.48 | APic | You have the Windows. |
| 18:58.49 | APic | Ok. |
| 19:05.15 | grfdgfd | yes |
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| 19:06.20 | grfdgfd | because lacking SteamVR support and major headaches with compositors and rendering issues (specifically, OpenGL running significantly slower than OpenGL on Windows, makes no sense whatsoever, maybe old libs or something, can't change it though, Steam uses static libs) |
| 19:07.08 | grfdgfd | compositors DO not like 144hz apparently, no matter what kind of Vsync I put using Compton and whatnot I will get tearing guaranteed :( and most compositors only support 100hz |
| 19:07.18 | KotCzarny | is it some kind of bot? |
| 19:07.20 | grfdgfd | anyway I had to switch back to Windows for the time being till some imporvements are made |
| 19:07.40 | grfdgfd | what is? |
| 19:08.04 | grfdgfd | I have GnuPG, I copied my private keys, they're encrypted with my Gnome Keyring / AES-128, how do I decrypt ittttttt |
| 19:13.20 | sicelo | tried #gnome? |
| 19:13.51 | grfdgfd | how? |
| 19:13.58 | grfdgfd | launch a VM and feed it what files? |
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