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| 05:50.21 | Enrico_Menotti | Well, correct, but actually I see a security update available. If I leave the trust level of the Nokia repos higher than 0, I get a *lot* of packages ignored. |
| 05:50.30 | Enrico_Menotti | (Due to "wrong domain".) |
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| 10:56.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | security update == pr1.3 -> pr.1.3.1 |
| 10:57.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | also comes with CSSU# |
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| 15:36.03 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes, ok. |
| 16:01.43 | Enrico_Menotti | From yesterday's discussion, seems that the proper way to install any package on the N900 is to always use the HAM, and never go directly with apt, since the latter way would prevent HAM to perform its additional tasks, like storing info about package domains. Is this correct? |
| 16:04.21 | Enrico_Menotti | I'm asking because I need to check whether my charger works or not - I'd do that by the bq27200.sh script, which however requires the i2c-tools package. Apt-cache policy finds this package, while the HAM does not. I think this is because I don't have the extras-devel repo in my catalogues. So the right way to proceed is to create a catalogue for extras-devel, and then install i2c-tools from HAM? |
| 16:08.40 | sixwheeledbeast | Yes |
| 16:08.54 | sixwheeledbeast | ~hamvsfam |
| 16:08.54 | infobot | well, hamvsfam is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227 |
| 16:17.08 | Enrico_Menotti | sixwheeledbeast Ok, so I'm on the right way. Now I'm looking around for the install files for extras-devel, but they don't come up at first googling. Any info? Maybe infobot knows? |
| 16:17.48 | sixwheeledbeast | ~jr-tools |
| 16:17.49 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 16:19.56 | sixwheeledbeast | ~extras-devel |
| 16:19.56 | infobot | i guess extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel |
| 16:20.47 | sixwheeledbeast | Dunno about an .install file |
| 16:25.51 | Enrico_Menotti | Well, in the page about Joerg's tools, I found a link to a repositories.install file. This installs extras-testing, extras-devel and tools. I'd not go directly this way, since for now I only want extras-devel. Let me read the other wmo page. |
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| 16:28.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos |
| 16:28.02 | infobot | it has been said that jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ |
| 16:35.06 | Enrico_Menotti | I will go by http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel#How_to_activate_Extras-devel, seems the cleanest and most essential way. I noticed however that the last code line on that page is an apt-get install. From what has been discussed, I'd say this should not be ever done. What's your opinion? |
| 16:35.33 | Enrico_Menotti | One last thing: what about the signature? Is it the same as for Extras? So do I already have the right key in my system? |
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| 16:48.38 | Enrico_Menotti | I created the devel catalogue. HAM looked for updates. Interesting HAM log: "W: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package binutils" and "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems". Is my N900 saying "kill me please!"? |
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| 17:10.43 | Enrico_Menotti | Well, the catalogue is ok, but i2c-tools doesn't show up. But browsing the repository I see it. ??? |
| 17:17.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | i2ctools is not in "user" category, so it's supposed to get installed via apt-get |
| 17:19.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | if bq27200.sh was a proper "user" package in maemo repo, it would oull in i2ctools as dependency |
| 17:21.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally speaking, the concept of trust level doesn't lend itself to tools repo, and packages from tools are frequently installed via apt-get |
| 17:22.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | as a general rule, cli command packages are usually installed via cli (apt-get) |
| 17:23.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | a few exceptions apply, e.g. for ssh packages |
| 17:26.23 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah. Ok. Where is the package category indicated? |
| 17:27.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, good question |
| 17:28.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never really cared |
| 17:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I don't know |
| 17:28.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 17:28.45 | infobot | pkg is probably http://maemo.org/packages/ |
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| 17:31.44 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I think I got it. repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages is a text file with info about the various packages (is it correct to call that "metainfo"?). Each package has a "Section:" line. E.g., ibus has "Section: user/utilities". libimlib2 has "libs". libimlib2-dev has "libdevel". And i2c-tools has "tools". I think HAM decides if and in which category display each package based |
| 17:31.45 | Enrico_Menotti | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 17:34.45 | Enrico_Menotti | So in the end the extras-devel repo doesn't need to be added to the catalogues, for me to install i2c-tools. I will just go apt-get install i2c-tools. Ok? |
| 17:40.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | i2ctools is in extras |
| 17:40.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, ok |
| 17:40.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | i2ctools is needed e.g. by BM |
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| 17:41.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/i2c-tools/3.0.2-1maemo3/ |
| 17:49.32 | Enrico_Menotti | Actually apt-cache policy i2c-tools says "http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages". Is the "extras" implied? |
| 17:51.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, apt-cache woefully ommits the detail info about repo |
| 17:52.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd call that a bug, but... |
| 17:53.00 | Enrico_Menotti | Also, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powerscript says "Install i2c-tools from extras-devel". Outdated wiki page? |
| 17:53.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 17:53.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | powerscript??? :-o |
| 17:53.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
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| 17:55.42 | Enrico_Menotti | Well, I won't use that script, but bq27200.sh. I was just trying to figure out where to find the i2c-tools package. |
| 17:57.51 | Enrico_Menotti | Anyway, I have extras-devel catalogue disabled in HAM. This eliminates the corresponding deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list. The only deb lines I have are those pointing to the muarf mirror of the original system and apps Nokia repos, and the deb line pointing to repository.maemo.org/extras. So obviously the package has been found in extras. |
| 18:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 18:04.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~zzztop |
| 18:04.50 | infobot | from memory, zzztop is - the better and even FOSS powertop - http://wiki.maemo.org/Zzztop |
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| 18:05.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | shameless commercial ad: https://neo900.org/news/neo900-update-2017-09-03 |
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| 18:08.46 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I have the bq27200.sh working. I have checked that when connected to my pc usb port, the N900 charges the battery, drawing about 350 mA from the pc (wow!). On the other hand, when connected to wall charger, the current is only 2 mA (if the device turns off the screen - if not, the battery is even discharging). So obviously it's not charging. I'm using a charger I'm sure works (it's a Nokia one, and I use it for my |
| 18:08.46 | Enrico_Menotti | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.33 | Enrico_Menotti | Now when I got this N900 I'm sure the wall charger worked. I then half-bricked the device and had to use rescueOS to charge the battery. I fear it drew too much current and broke the adaptor: in fact, I remember it started charging, but suddenly stopped to, and never charged again. Odds are that the Hildon says the device is charging... |
| 18:11.25 | Enrico_Menotti | I will get a new adaptor (found one some months ago on Amazon, I think) and see if that works. |
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| 18:56.48 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~lf (or ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher) sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
| 18:56.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wb |
| 18:56.54 | infobot | thx |
| 18:57.09 | Enrico_Menotti | Nice bot! :) |
| 18:57.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>when connected to wall charger, the current is only 2 mA (if the device turns off the screen - if not, the battery is even discharging)<< is normal when battery is full |
| 18:58.36 | Enrico_Menotti | Battery not full. Connecting to the computer, 350 mA charging current. |
| 18:59.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 18:59.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/ for reference |
| 19:01.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bme_discharge_learn_log for a discharge |
| 19:03.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bme_microcycle_log |
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| 23:07.19 | freemangordon | guys, would you recommend some android irc client? |
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| 23:41.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt there's any that's worth getting recommended |
| 23:42.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem prolly being that they _all_ get stopped/inactive as soon as they don't have visibility and focus anymore |
| 23:48.06 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: not really |
| 23:48.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm biased |
| 23:48.29 | freemangordon | at least some "adirc" or whatever was it called |
| 23:48.41 | freemangordon | me too, but still |
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