| 00:23.26 | *** join/#maemo hurrian (~textual@unaffiliated/rikanee) |
| 00:32.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: how about a project for your term? populate 3rd blade in server |
| 00:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | needed: CPU, RAM, drives |
| 00:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope the managed switch would still have a two spare ethernet jacks |
| 00:35.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik there should be sufficient funds in maemo eV's kitty |
| 00:39.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Infrastructure |
| 00:41.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.supermicro.nl/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DRT-HF.cfm |
| 00:47.09 | Kabouik_ | May I hijack this channel to ask a question about a Jolla here? Hopefully some people in #maemo do have Jollas as well, and I have got no answer in #jollamobile in 4 hours, looks a bit dead there |
| 00:51.43 | xes | Kabouik_: probably many guys here have a Jolla.. but i have no idea how many are available now.. |
| 00:52.22 | Kabouik_ | And I wonder how many would know how to get internet access from a Jolla C in recovery shell using Linux computer as a router. :P |
| 00:53.05 | Kabouik_ | I've gone through all the steps to do that with a Jolla 1, and since the guide was considered valid on TJC, I guess it just works. But on Jolla C, I get no errors, but no connection either (https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-computer-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/?answer=45710#post-id-45710) |
| 01:00.17 | Oksana | has SeaMonkey nightly-too-buggy-to-open-clicked-links and link-recognition-capturing-brackets-into-the-link |
| 01:00.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.servermonkey.com/2-0-ghz-eight-core-intel-xeon-processor-with-20mb-cache-e5-2640-v2.html https://www.amazon.com/Intel-E5-2620-Six-Core-Processor-BX80635E52620V2/dp/B00F29C61K || http://www.crucial.de/deu/de/upgrade-kompatibel-mit/Supermicro/2027tr-htrf e.g 4 to 8 pcs http://www.crucial.de/deu/de/2027tr-htrf/CT4224505 |
| 01:00.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus 2 drives server grade |
| 01:01.33 | Oksana | Kabouik : which step is it? https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204709607#24 |
| 01:02.45 | Kabouik_ | Oksana, it's not in this guide. This one is just for getting to recovery mode, or backing up data. |
| 01:03.13 | Kabouik_ | What I'm trying to do is using my computer as a route so that the Jolla in recovery mode gets internet access, and so I can use zypper in recovery mode |
| 01:03.43 | Kabouik_ | This is the link I mentioned above, and I did everything as described, no issue, but no Internet access. |
| 01:08.59 | Wizzup | we have like 20-40 spare servers at the uni that we want to throw out. |
| 01:11.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops sorry, rather the 1V35 instead of 1V5: http://www.crucial.de/deu/de/2027tr-htrf/CT5789373 |
| 01:29.43 | Oksana | Jolla shows up as eth2 (or something) device, telnet works fine, recovery tool, then you go into shell, want to use zypper, zypper needs Internet... |
| 01:29.56 | Oksana | was distracted, will read the page further |
| 01:33.01 | Oksana | Kabouik_ : after you did route add default gw 10.42.66.67 , can you ping 10.42.66.67 ? |
| 01:33.21 | Kabouik_ | No, pinging it is not allowed, I've tried |
| 01:33.33 | Kabouik_ | And I can't devel-su from chroot to try with root rights |
| 01:34.11 | Oksana | Ouch... |
| 01:34.22 | Oksana | Okay, can your computer ping your phone? |
| 01:35.08 | Oksana | How is it that zypper runs and ping doesn't? Don't they both need root rights? |
| 01:35.09 | Kabouik_ | Yes, it can |
| 01:35.35 | Kabouik_ | I'm not sure, you don't really need to be root to use pkcon or zypper from Sailfish terminal I think |
| 01:36.20 | Oksana | Okay... What does route say? |
| 01:36.36 | Kabouik_ | bash-3.2# route |
| 01:36.37 | Kabouik_ | Kernel IP routing table |
| 01:36.37 | Kabouik_ | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 01:36.37 | Kabouik_ | default 10.42.66.67 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 rndis0 |
| 01:36.37 | Kabouik_ | default 192.168.2.15 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 rndis0 |
| 01:36.37 | Kabouik_ | 10.42.66.64 * 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 rndis0 |
| 01:36.39 | Kabouik_ | 192.168.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 rndis0 |
| 01:36.45 | Kabouik_ | Woops, should have put it on hastebin, sorry |
| 01:37.20 | Oksana | I would have deleted everything except for 10.42.66.67 |
| 01:37.32 | Kabouik_ | I'm not sure why I have 4 entries here. Pretty sure 192.168.2.15 is something I tried after 10.42.66.67 did not work, and I didn't know how to delete it |
| 01:38.11 | Oksana | Feel free to delete everything and then re-add the one you need |
| 01:40.02 | Kabouik_ | I could delete default 192.168.2.15, but not sure how to delete 10.42.66.64 and 1092.168.2.0 |
| 01:40.14 | Oksana | hasn't wrestled with route in a while... Did have USB networking a few times, very similar, only N900 instead of Jolla |
| 01:40.48 | Oksana | try 'route del 10.42.66.64' or 'route delete 10.42.66.64' |
| 01:41.13 | Kabouik_ | Nope, it says SIOCDELRT: no such process |
| 01:41.32 | Oksana | https://linux.die.net/man/8/route |
| 01:41.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh again sorry, the 1V35 are 1600, we should get 1866 though and those are 1V5 only it seems. Anyway all just suggestions to get verified with an expert before ordering |
| 01:42.08 | Oksana | Feel free to run just 'route' again to see what it looks like |
| 01:42.45 | Kabouik_ | The same as before just without the 192.168.2.15 line |
| 01:42.51 | Oksana | Also, run zypper or something to see if it works (since you now have one default gw instead of two?) |
| 01:43.06 | Kabouik_ | Still no ping or zypper no :( |
| 01:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway you need 2 CPU 2600 v2, 4 or 8 240pin DDR3, idealy registered or buffered or even LRDDR3, and 2 drives SATA6 server grade |
| 01:43.25 | Oksana | Okay, then let's remove the other two lines |
| 01:44.05 | Kabouik_ | But I can't find how, just route del 192.168.2.0 throws this error. It worked for the other line because it was called 'default 192.168.2.15' I think |
| 01:45.00 | Oksana | Use -net |
| 01:45.09 | Oksana | route del -net 192.168.2.0 |
| 01:45.23 | Oksana | https://serverfault.com/questions/181094/how-do-i-delete-a-route-from-linux-routing-table#735257 Since man is lacking |
| 01:45.40 | Kabouik_ | Invalid argument :< |
| 01:48.54 | Oksana | Does man route run on phone, by any chance?.. |
| 01:49.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | route --help maybe? |
| 01:50.28 | *** join/#maemo svetlana (~svetlana@unaffiliated/gryllida) |
| 01:50.46 | Kabouik_ | No man, but route --help yes. Unfortunately I can only see one mention of del (delete) but not how to delete these two lines that have IPs in the Destinatioin column of the route output |
| 01:51.29 | Oksana | svetlana recommends asking ##linux about route del |
| 01:51.48 | Kabouik_ | I'll try, thanks |
| 01:52.26 | Oksana | Good luck |
| 01:52.27 | svetlana | you'd have to register your nick first, '/msg nickserv register PASS E@MAIL' and check your email, takes just a min |
| 01:53.13 | Oksana | Or login, if already registered with NickServ ;-) |
| 01:53.40 | Oksana | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.49 | svetlana | yes |
| 01:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-07-27 Thu 03:57:42] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on Kabouik (account Kabouik): |
| 01:57.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-07-27 Thu 03:57:42] [Notice] -NickServ- Registered : Jun 19 10:59:14 2017 (5w 2d 14h ago) |
| 01:58.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Whois] Kabouik_ is ~kabouik@32.232.202.84.customer.cdi.no (Konsieur) [Notice] -NickServ- Last addr : ~kabouik@32.232.202.84.customer.cdi.no |
| 01:59.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | err [Notice] -NickServ- User seen : now |
| 01:59.54 | Kabouik_ | route del -net 10.42.66.64 gw 0.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.248 dev rndis0 <- this seems to have worked for deleting |
| 02:00.20 | Kabouik_ | now I only have one line in route |
| 02:00.37 | Kabouik_ | But still no ping on www.google.com :( |
| 02:01.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | to start with, ping an IP, e.g. 8.8.8.8 |
| 02:01.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | please pastebin your route table |
| 02:01.55 | Kabouik_ | I just typed pint 8.8.8.8. I guess that's what I'd need now. |
| 02:01.58 | Kabouik_ | A pint. |
| 02:02.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 02:02.43 | Kabouik_ | bash-3.2# route |
| 02:02.43 | Kabouik_ | Kernel IP routing table |
| 02:02.43 | Kabouik_ | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 02:02.43 | Kabouik_ | default 10.42.66.67 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 rndis0 |
| 02:02.47 | Kabouik_ | Oh god sorry |
| 02:03.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's all? |
| 02:03.06 | Kabouik_ | I hastebined it but did not update the clipboard :P |
| 02:03.14 | Kabouik_ | Yeah after cleaning the extra lines I got before |
| 02:03.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | shit happens |
| 02:03.38 | Kabouik_ | Ping 8.8.8.8 returns permission denied, and I can't devel-su from recovery I think |
| 02:03.47 | Kabouik_ | Or I don't know what is the default password at least. |
| 02:04.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea, sorrxy |
| 02:05.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | your route lacks a network for gateway |
| 02:06.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | compare arbitrary other unix system |
| 02:06.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 02:06.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | default 172.31.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 02:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | 172.31.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 02:06.31 | Kabouik_ | The guide on TJC just says "route add default gw 10.42.66.67" |
| 02:09.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | default 192.168.4.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 02:09.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | 192.168.4.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 1 0 0 eth0 |
| 02:09.35 | Kabouik_ | route -n returns that though: https://hastebin.com/qejopusaxu |
| 02:10.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | as I saud, missing one line |
| 02:10.44 | Kabouik_ | Thhttps://hastebin.com/usugobomud probably one of these I guess? |
| 02:11.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, the third line is cruft, line 1 and 2 look correct |
| 02:12.38 | Kabouik_ | Of course using the same command I used to delete, only with add instead of del, doesn't work. :P |
| 02:14.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | cehck ifconfig for own IP (should be in 10.42.66.64/30(?) network), and ping 10.42.66.67 |
| 02:14.32 | Kabouik_ | You mean from the computer, or from the recovery shell of the Jolla? |
| 02:14.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | from the device where you run that route command, I assume that's jolla, no? |
| 02:15.26 | Kabouik_ | Yes. It's IP is 10.42.66.66, but I can't really ping anything from it (I can ping it from the computer though) |
| 02:15.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and 10.42.66.67 the IP of the USB(?) NIC on your PC |
| 02:16.21 | Kabouik_ | 10.42.66.66 is the IP I used with telnet to reach the phone from the computer, and it's the phone rndis0 ip. 10.42.66.67 is the corresponding network interface of the computer |
| 02:16.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can ping it from PC. Fine. Can you ssh in to device? |
| 02:16.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | or telnet |
| 02:16.45 | Kabouik_ | I am in telnet |
| 02:16.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | so your connection to PC is already established |
| 02:17.11 | Kabouik_ | ssh, I doubt it, it's bricked and only on through the recovery shell |
| 02:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | your problem is most likely forwarding on PC then |
| 02:17.41 | Kabouik_ | But the phone can't access the internet using the computer as router, and I need it to check package issues with zypper |
| 02:17.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka the PC doesn't work as router |
| 02:18.02 | Kabouik_ | (I haven't added that missing line in route though, couldn't figure out how to do so yet) |
| 02:18.28 | Oksana | What does iptables on computer say? |
| 02:18.41 | Kabouik_ | I've ran sudo sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 and sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE, on the computer |
| 02:18.52 | *** join/#maemo eMHa (~mh@p200300738E025000267703FFFE6CC360.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:19.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's prolly the right thing to do |
| 02:19.32 | Kabouik_ | iptables needs a command. -L for list? |
| 02:19.37 | Oksana | Yes |
| 02:19.40 | Kabouik_ | An argument I meant |
| 02:19.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | so which commands creating traffic do you have? |
| 02:19.47 | Kabouik_ | Well then it's empty yes |
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| 02:20.22 | Kabouik_ | https://hastebin.com/zabumubohe |
| 02:20.40 | *** join/#maemo Natch (~Natch@h-155-122.A444.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 02:20.45 | Oksana | thinks that 'iptables -L' should not be empty after 'iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE' |
| 02:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 02:21.25 | Kabouik_ | So maybe I should investigate on the irc channel for my distro |
| 02:21.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not distro specific |
| 02:21.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ##netwoking |
| 02:22.01 | Oksana | Also, does your computer use eth0 or wlan0 for Internet, and does it matter for iptables?.. |
| 02:22.02 | Kabouik_ | But I would have fewer remorse asking them :P |
| 02:22.15 | Kabouik_ | wlan0, I'm on a laptop at the moment |
| 02:22.51 | Oksana | By the way, https://hastebin.com/zabumubohe looks exactly like values on my N900, and it is not set up as a router |
| 02:23.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | first of all make sure that plugging in the phone doesn't drop your PC's regular internet connection. Network Manager is notorious for doing that sort of shit |
| 02:24.03 | Kabouik_ | I'm talking to you using that computer, internet access is still here |
| 02:24.03 | Oksana | Well, Kabouik's computer seems to have good Internet all the while Jolla is plugged in, right?.. |
| 02:24.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | please do iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 02:25.08 | Oksana | On computer ^ |
| 02:25.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | please do iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE even, I'd guess |
| 02:25.29 | Oksana | suggests replacing eth0 with wlan0 , but that's first time I see iptables |
| 02:25.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...not sysctl |
| 02:25.54 | Kabouik_ | Done, but iptables -L still empty |
| 02:26.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's very odd |
| 02:26.10 | L29Ah | damn rawcam doesn't want to take photos of bright objects |
| 02:26.22 | Kabouik_ | I tried with wlan0 even before coming here actually, did not work (but I did not check iptables -L) |
| 02:26.24 | L29Ah | i guess it's time |
| 02:26.39 | L29Ah | where do i get a known good firmware for n900? |
| 02:26.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and iptables doesn't throw error? |
| 02:26.54 | Kabouik_ | No |
| 02:26.58 | Kabouik_ | Just silent |
| 02:27.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | weeeird |
| 02:27.19 | Kabouik_ | Let's see if there is a -v argument for iptables |
| 02:27.37 | Kabouik_ | MASQUERADE all opt -- in * out wlan0 0.0.0.0/0 -> 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 02:27.40 | Kabouik_ | This is what I get. |
| 02:27.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | blames systemd ;-P |
| 02:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | please pastebin full ifconfig on your PC |
| 02:29.13 | Kabouik_ | https://hastebin.com/nuxajalemu |
| 02:29.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | arrrgh |
| 02:29.41 | Kabouik_ | Oh yeah maybe I should try with wlp2s0? |
| 02:29.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/wlan0/wlp2s0/ to start with |
| 02:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | iptables sucks big time, not throwing error on wrong IF |
| 02:31.28 | Kabouik_ | I still get the same verbose with wlp2s0 in the iptables command |
| 02:31.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 02:31.42 | Kabouik_ | And empty iptables -L |
| 02:32.08 | Kabouik_ | By the way, am I messing with the computer here? Will everything reset to original state after reboot or? |
| 02:33.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oh, I notice I missed the "sudo iptables" in your quote above, only seen the "sysctl" |
| 02:33.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 02:33.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | except sysctl maybe |
| 02:34.13 | Kabouik_ | Ok, but sysctl will be easy to revert |
| 02:34.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | please check a "HowTo share internet access" for your distro |
| 02:34.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 02:35.24 | Kabouik_ | Couldn't find one when I tried DocScrutinizer05, but I may ask on the irc channel tomorrow, they are fairly active |
| 02:35.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | *I* had to stop network manager to make internet sharing work |
| 02:35.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | YMMV |
| 02:36.31 | Kabouik_ | Let's try |
| 02:36.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usb-networking |
| 02:36.38 | infobot | methinks usb-networking is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/usb-networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_router |
| 02:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#Linux |
| 02:37.42 | Kabouik_ | Now before going to bed I'd like at least to readd that missing line in the route of the Jolla |
| 02:38.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | that missing line *might* get added automatically |
| 02:39.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is when you tear down the default route, your telnet access will break anyway |
| 02:39.29 | Kabouik_ | I still have telnet access here |
| 02:39.47 | Kabouik_ | But I will exit and reboot into recovery again, to see if the line is back |
| 02:39.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, right, inbound |
| 02:39.57 | Kabouik_ | reboot is a big word since the phone is unbootable :P |
| 02:40.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, good plan |
| 02:40.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | it boots, juist not to the regular system |
| 02:41.43 | Kabouik_ | Well now it tells me that /proc/net/route: not such file or directoryINET (IPV4) not configured in this system. :D |
| 02:41.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically your problem is probably around DNS IP for the device, since you don't run a DHCP server on your PC to tell the device which DNS to use |
| 02:42.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | so start with using IPs instead URLs |
| 02:42.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or add a default DNS like 8.8.8.8 |
| 02:44.01 | Kabouik_ | I did that DocScrutinizer05, it's in the guide I'm trying to use |
| 02:44.02 | Kabouik_ | https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-computer-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/?answer=45710#post-id-45710 |
| 02:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | try connecting from device to IP of your PC. If that works, the rest is just about default route and your PC config. And DNS |
| 02:46.18 | Kabouik_ | I don't get why now route throws this /proc/net/route error. I had it before, and then it finally returned the route I detailed to you before, and now it's back to the error |
| 02:46.29 | Kabouik_ | I have no idea what I have done to get rid of that error earlier |
| 02:48.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | which error? |
| 02:48.37 | Kabouik_ | <Kabouik_> Well now it tells me that /proc/net/route: not such file or directoryINET (IPV4) not configured in this system. :D |
| 02:49.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | on which command? |
| 02:49.34 | Kabouik_ | route or route -n |
| 02:49.44 | Kabouik_ | From the telnet shell |
| 02:49.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you do chroot? |
| 02:49.51 | Kabouik_ | Yes |
| 02:50.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you prolly must not be in a chroot |
| 02:50.46 | Kabouik_ | I had this before actually, but then when we discussed it here it finally was working without anything special that I remember |
| 02:50.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless the chroot also bindmounted the true /proc to the chroot dir |
| 02:51.00 | Kabouik_ | I am, just did chroot /mnt/rootfs |
| 02:51.15 | Kabouik_ | Oh right! THat's what I did earlier! I mounted /proc |
| 02:51.54 | Kabouik_ | So yeah, now that it's mounted, route is back |
| 02:52.12 | Kabouik_ | And the missing line is back as well (and 192.168.2.0 too by the way, weird) |
| 02:52.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't mount /proc, that's bogus in a chroot. You need to bindmount it into your chroot-dir/proc *before* you chroot into that dir |
| 02:53.05 | Kabouik_ | Does that apply to any device? I could just 'mount /proc' from the chroot here and it did solve the route output issue |
| 02:54.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's basic chroot 101, unless there's sth *very* special about sailfish |
| 02:54.18 | Kabouik_ | So basically I should exit chroot, mkdir chrootdir/proc, mount /proc chrootdir/proc, and then chroot? |
| 02:54.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | the whole purpose of a chroot is to hide true /proc and /sys etc from the chroot user |
| 02:55.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 02:55.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | mount -o bind |
| 02:55.17 | Kabouik_ | Well actually it seems that I don't even need to chroot with the Jolla C |
| 02:55.32 | Kabouik_ | Straight in the shell, without doing anything, I can run route and see the output |
| 02:55.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 02:56.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you can't install stuff to your sailfish rootfs with zypper that way |
| 02:56.22 | Kabouik_ | Maybe I should try to use the guide WITHOUT the chroot bits? The guide was made for the Jolla 1, in which rootfs is not already mounted, while it seems to be the case for the Jolla C |
| 02:56.26 | Kabouik_ | Oh |
| 02:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually if your rescueos has zypper, you can try it in there without chroot, and when it works, you bindmount proc into /mnt/rootfs/proc and do chroot /mnt/rootfs, then you can run zypper against sailfish rootfs |
| 02:58.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know about rootfs already mounted in kolla C |
| 02:58.55 | Kabouik_ | Trying to see if I can get internet sharing without chrooting also |
| 02:59.30 | Kabouik_ | <coderus> Kabouik_: in recovery you have /rootfs already mounted. jolla c is using lvm, so there is /dev/sailfish subvolumes |
| 02:59.41 | Kabouik_ | <coderus> you should already have /rootfs mounted |
| 02:59.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh |
| 03:00.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | still, no /proc in /dev/sailfish, right? |
| 03:00.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least none that has meaningful working content |
| 03:00.44 | Kabouik_ | But the thing is, iptables -L is still empty on the computer. So the Jolla C in recovery might be a little more flexible without chroot (at least I can ping the computer without permission issue), but still no internet |
| 03:01.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 03:01.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | please check a "HowTo share internet access" for your distro |
| 03:01.42 | Kabouik_ | I see only two files in /dev/sailfish, home and root (and they are files, not dirs) |
| 03:02.10 | Kabouik_ | I did DocScrutinizer05 but there is none, I'll have to ask on a forum/irc channel tomorrow |
| 03:02.23 | Kabouik_ | Solus is not so widespread, documentation online is not always there |
| 03:02.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess I don't have more knowledge or ideas to share |
| 03:03.13 | Kabouik_ | Thanks anyway for your valuable help DocScrutinizer05 |
| 03:03.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 03:03.24 | Kabouik_ | It's 5 am here, I will continue tomorrow I guess |
| 03:03.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, here too |
| 03:04.08 | Kabouik_ | In the meantime I've turned on my Jolla 1, I really like how it handles with this form factor (smaller than Jolla C), too bad Aliendalvik is too old to run an application I need every day to do payments in the country where I live. |
| 03:04.25 | Kabouik_ | And I don't have my N900 here. :< |
| 03:06.54 | Kabouik_ | The worst is even if I get zypper with internet access, it might still not be enough to fix my phone without a factory reset :P |
| 03:08.18 | Kabouik_ | I wish there was a way to just reinstall all applications at once after a reset, and possibly put them back in their original folders with a backuped /home. |
| 03:09.40 | Kabouik_ | I was already thinking that when using my N900 everyday and after bricking it a couple times. |
| 03:11.27 | Kabouik_ | Alright, off to bed, thank you again Oksana and DocScrutinizer05 and sorry I have lost some of your time. Good to see that #maemo is more active than #jollamobile though :P |
| 03:14.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | "just reinstall all applications at once after a reset, and possibly put them back in their original folders" is *exactly* what the maemo5 system backup does |
| 03:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | it backups the list of apps as seen in HAM "installed apps" aka "uninstall"-tab and re-installes them from repos on restore |
| 03:16.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | it also saves the config data for those apps, as long as the app package has made the system aware of those |
| 03:18.27 | Kabouik_ | Yeah I seem to remember using that at least once |
| 03:19.08 | Kabouik_ | And then there was BackupMenu too, that made the N900 just so easy to restore to its previous state, hassle-free |
| 03:19.40 | Kabouik_ | Not a single thing to reconfigure after resetting except the multiboot itself! |
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| 03:31.54 | NeKit | Wizzup, where do you plan to start for Droid 4? |
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| 06:57.30 | Wizzup | NeKit: follow sre's blog and instructions |
| 06:57.46 | Wizzup | so, root android, format sd card, mount,kexec devuan |
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| 12:39.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://blog.exodusintel.com/2017/07/26/broadpwn/ |
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| 16:35.26 | kalin | Hi all |
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| 18:36.06 | hubean | hello |
| 18:37.25 | hubean | just a quick question, is there any documentation on installing linux as the only operating system on a n810? |
| 18:38.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, N810 has linux as only operating system |
| 18:39.58 | Wizzup | I think the question was about a non-ancient os |
| 18:41.44 | hubean | yeah as Wizzup, an updated debian/ubuntu/whatever linux os with no X server would be sweet |
| 18:43.09 | hubean | has this been done before? |
| 18:46.00 | hubean | id like this device to run as lightweight as possible, i dont really use the graphical interface that much and i believe thats a huge resource hog |
| 18:49.34 | Wizzup | on the n900 for sure, idk about 810 |
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| 19:55.38 | kalin | guys, what is the best browser for N900 |
| 19:56.01 | kalin | something with html5 support and video player |
| 19:56.18 | L29Ah | mpv |
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| 19:58.10 | kalin | mpv is forked mplayer |
| 20:00.28 | L29Ah | and it uses youtube-dl to butcher web pages for videos, and plays it faster than firefox or its forks |
| 20:03.59 | sixwheeledbeast^ | There isn't really a perfect browser at the moment unfortunately IMO. I use a combination of Stock MicroB, QML Browser and Opera. |
| 20:05.36 | Maxdamantus | primarily uses Opera Mobile. |
| 20:06.46 | kalin | i use MicroB, but it use old firefox3.5 engine |
| 20:07.30 | kalin | and many sites didn't work correct |
| 20:09.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | there can't be a perfect browser for the totally borked internet |
| 20:10.57 | kalin | Debian 7 for arm has newer Firefox ESR |
| 20:11.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | heck, even on a PC with i5 and 8GB RAM, really all browsers suck one way or another. Not their fault though, fault of idiots that think HTML was a vehicle to implement services |
| 20:11.59 | kalin | i know |
| 20:12.31 | kalin | google suck CPU time |
| 20:13.17 | kalin | even when a did nothing |
| 20:13.33 | kalin | and not only google |
| 20:14.05 | kalin | but my point is |
| 20:15.46 | kalin | when debian for arm has firefox 38++ why we not have firefox or maybe tweaked MicroB with new firefox engine? |
| 20:16.40 | L29Ah | because no one does anything for maemo |
| 20:21.30 | kalin | is it so hard to port debian apps to maemo |
| 20:21.51 | kalin | we talk about to same arm architecture |
| 20:22.02 | kalin | not between arm and x86 |
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| 20:53.25 | sixwheeledbeast^ | It's not that simple. Look at Alopex and other projects that have tried to bring a better browsing experience to Maemo. MicroB also has closed components I believe |
| 20:54.57 | Wizzup | kalin: do it |
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| 20:57.33 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I'm not wanting to put anyone off trying BTW. I'd love a better browser. |
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| 21:36.39 | ollieparanoid[m] | hi |
| 21:37.30 | ollieparanoid[m] | could you guys please allow tor IPs to access the maemo homepage? I'd greatly appreciate it |
| 21:37.44 | Wizzup | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 |
| 21:37.59 | ollieparanoid[m] | (also someone told me, that the tls certificates are broken, and he can't even reach the site from chrome now) |
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| 21:46.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, wtf? https://maemo.org kicks me to "login" |
| 21:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and http://maemo.org seems to forward to https which makes my browser complain about cert |
| 21:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | for www.orderno.com though!!?!!!?!?!! |
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| 21:49.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF honestly http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/27/plasma-desktopyT8317.png |
| 21:50.07 | L29Ah | facilitate plz |
| 21:50.23 | sixwheeledbeast^ | The offical word is Tor isn't blocked as such. It's just so happens that most Exit Node IP's are on the forum spam blacklist. |
| 21:50.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: stfu if you got no better 'jokes' |
| 21:51.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: this isn't Tor |
| 21:52.03 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I was answering above Doc. |
| 21:52.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 21:52.15 | L29Ah | it's not a joke |
| 21:52.22 | sixwheeledbeast^ | "please allow tor IP's" |
| 21:52.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah damn, no glasses. Tor IP, not for IP |
| 21:53.21 | MartijnBraam | Hmm yeah I can't seem to access maemo.org through RFC 2549 |
| 21:54.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you expect we look up rfc2549 now? |
| 21:54.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: warfare ^^^ |
| 21:54.44 | ollieparanoid[m] | sixwheeledbeast^: thanks for your answer. could someone remove the blacklisted nodes then? because in my experience all exit nodes are blocked. at least for read only it would be super useful |
| 21:55.33 | MartijnBraam | DocScrutinizer05: I expect at least 50% of the people here to not have to look it up |
| 21:55.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ollieparanoid[m]: that's a recurring topic and I'm with you but it seems the maintainers in charge feel it's impossible to allow read-only |
| 21:56.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | MartijnBraam: good luck with this then |
| 21:56.50 | ollieparanoid[m] | DocScrutinizer05: who are the maintainers in charge? |
| 21:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | me? warfare? xes? |
| 21:57.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit the latter two might know 2549 |
| 21:57.58 | ollieparanoid[m] | sorry that I didn't know you, I don't hang out much in the maemo forums, I just click on a link once a while, that leads me there, because you have some quite useful information |
| 21:58.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, for Tor blacklist. I guess that's chem|st |
| 21:58.13 | ollieparanoid[m] | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, so is there anything I could do to change the situation? |
| 21:58.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | for yourself, see the message you get on talk.maemo.org which suggests to send an email |
| 21:58.48 | sixwheeledbeast^ | It depends on what part of the site. |
| 21:58.55 | ollieparanoid[m] | (or @chem|st then) |
| 21:59.04 | sixwheeledbeast^ | ~unbanip |
| 21:59.04 | infobot | well, unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here |
| 21:59.22 | ollieparanoid[m] | DocScrutinizer05: it says: |
| 21:59.23 | ollieparanoid[m] | Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist. |
| 21:59.24 | ollieparanoid[m] | Feel free to contact our staff on irc freenode #maemo channel. |
| 21:59.32 | ollieparanoid[m] | so here I am :) |
| 21:59.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 21:59.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, ping chem|st |
| 22:00.13 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Well you are most likely to get a quick response from one of the ~150 people idling here. |
| 22:01.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | though aiui techstuff moved the 'wall' from tmo to maemo firewall |
| 22:02.00 | ollieparanoid[m] | it's fine, I'll be offline soon anyway. chem|st, would be nice if you could answer me about the (indirect) tor blockage issue |
| 22:02.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: you around? |
| 22:02.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: ping |
| 22:03.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm way more worried about http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/27/plasma-desktopyT8317.png |
| 22:03.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is orderno,com? |
| 22:03.40 | MartijnBraam | It hosts the big image on the homepage |
| 22:03.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and what it got to do on maemo.org webpages |
| 22:04.45 | ollieparanoid[m] | maybe you guys could consider let's encrypt |
| 22:05.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | how would that help for third party URLs? |
| 22:05.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | als we need a wildcard cert and LE offers those starting next year. Even then I'd go for a decent commercial cert any day |
| 22:06.09 | sixwheeledbeast^ | This thread covers the Tor issue. If you can access it. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=97983 |
| 22:06.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | LE is a huge PITA |
| 22:07.23 | L29Ah | what's wrong with LE except the inavailability of wildcard certs? |
| 22:07.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | icing on top: update script auto update |
| 22:07.44 | L29Ah | get acme_tiny.py |
| 22:07.48 | L29Ah | it's cca 100sloc |
| 22:07.55 | L29Ah | the official client is insane, yeah |
| 22:08.19 | ollieparanoid[m] | DocScrutinizer05: well, I didn't want to kick off a discussion - use whatever suits you best. but a valid certificate would be nice. but for me the relevant part is the tor thing, I don't care that much if your cert is valid or not, as long as I can read the information |
| 22:08.20 | MartijnBraam | also LE doesn't have support for haproxy in their official client |
| 22:08.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | LE completely misses the point of authentication/trust, only dealing with encryption (as the name already implies) |
| 22:08.24 | MartijnBraam | but enough third party clients |
| 22:08.33 | ollieparanoid[m] | sixwheeledbeast^: thans for the link |
| 22:08.37 | L29Ah | x.509 trust model is inherently broken anyway |
| 22:08.38 | ollieparanoid[m] | *thanks |
| 22:08.45 | L29Ah | and everyone just checks DNS |
| 22:08.46 | sixwheeledbeast^ | np |
| 22:08.51 | L29Ah | not only LE |
| 22:09.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ollieparanoid[m]: *our* cert seems valid. There's a link to a third party with selfsigned cert on the webpage |
| 22:09.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is a huge nogo |
| 22:09.37 | L29Ah | btw https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647959 |
| 22:09.39 | povbot | 04Bug 647959: was not found. |
| 22:12.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Why don't you use XY?" - "because it's broken by concept" - "so what? the original thing also was almost broken, though not by concept. So you could as well use sth that is decently broken from beginning" SURE makes SO MUCH sense |
| 22:13.49 | L29Ah | what original thing? |
| 22:13.50 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Doc I get www.maemo.org when I look at the cert here. Expires in 5 days. 1 Aug. |
| 22:14.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels like "why don't you use whatsapp instead of old obsolete SMS? It's free" |
| 22:15.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: here's something for council to take care of, urgently |
| 22:15.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | get a new 2 year wildcard cert |
| 22:16.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: ^^^ |
| 22:17.06 | L29Ah | le's certs are cron'able at least |
| 22:17.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and don't waste everybody's time with "why don't we use LE instead? it is for free while a 2 year *-cert costs some 10 bucks per month" please |
| 22:18.16 | L29Ah | answer my questions please |
| 22:18.54 | L29Ah | although i see that you may be too busy facilitating things |
| 22:19.04 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 22:19.15 | *** mode/#maemo [+q L29Ah!*@*] by DocScrutinizer05 |
| 22:19.24 | *** part/#maemo L29Ah (~L29Ah@31.173.83.177) |
| 22:19.32 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 22:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | too busy trolling to stay in this channel when he can't continue with that |
| 22:25.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | the time wasted by discussions with LE proponents alone is worth 50 times the cost of a commercial wildcard cert, every month. On top recurring issues with the recurring failing cronjob to renew the LE crap, that cause constant workload for nothing on our admins |
| 22:26.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a 9 bucks per month? honestly now? |
| 22:27.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | let alone you can't pin LE-certs since they are ephemeral by concept |
| 22:29.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | donors donated funds exactly for this purpose to make life of our sysops more easy |
| 22:30.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | we don't need "donations" like "why don't you use LE?" |
| 22:31.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | not as if we never heard of it before and need L29Ah to make us aware of such option |
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| 23:40.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: http://www.maemo.org -> http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/28/plasma-desktopaI8317.png |
| 23:41.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, c&p error - www.maemo.org |
| 23:42.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Konqueror doesn't implicitly redirect to https:// |
| 23:47.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and aiui embedding content from foreign sites into a HTTPS page isn't good practice either, and probably will result in a warning in all modern browsers. Aside from that the link is 404 for me, regardless of the self-signed cert. |
| 23:49.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe condolence period is about to expire anyway, though I lack knowledge of what's commonly considered appropriate |
