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| 04:13.57 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~lf ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 06:53.28 | FalconSpy | so DocScrutinizer05 / sixwheeledbeast^ Version 10.2010.19-1 |
| 06:56.15 | FalconSpy | Followed the instructions you gave me DocScrutinizer05 with the catalog. All I see in my updates is the Community SSU package |
| 07:15.47 | Juesto | hmm |
| 07:17.07 | FalconSpy | Do I need to restart the phone first or should stuff just immediately show in HAM under update? |
| 07:27.51 | FalconSpy | Nope that didnt do it |
| 07:36.23 | FalconSpy | http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/ would it be the nokia-ssu install one? |
| 07:36.37 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 07:36.37 | infobot | hmm... maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
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| 07:41.51 | FalconSpy | Well I have extras repo |
| 07:42.04 | FalconSpy | Im trying to upgrade from PR 1.2 to PR 1.3 but nothing I am finding is working |
| 07:42.24 | Juesto | Correctly set up? |
| 07:43.45 | FalconSpy | What do you define as correctly setup? I followed the instructions by DocScrutinizer05 for http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ |
| 07:43.55 | FalconSpy | disabled all catalogs but the ones it installed |
| 08:05.29 | FalconSpy | Let me try the apt-get after adding catalog |
| 08:05.47 | FalconSpy | 1010 updates... |
| 08:22.51 | sixwheeledbeast^ | FalconSpy you still about |
| 08:22.59 | FalconSpy | yep |
| 08:23.12 | sixwheeledbeast^ | how are you doing |
| 08:23.21 | FalconSpy | well I followed the link DocScrutinizer05 put in |
| 08:23.30 | FalconSpy | Nothing was showing via HAM for downloads/updates |
| 08:23.44 | FalconSpy | Did a apt-get update and upgrade and its doing about 1000 upgrades |
| 08:24.55 | sixwheeledbeast^ | First thing with Maemo is never update with the CLI, unless you know what your doing. It was never designed for that |
| 08:25.20 | FalconSpy | So apt-get update / upgrade is wrong to do? |
| 08:25.26 | FalconSpy | Nothing was showing in HAM at all |
| 08:26.11 | sixwheeledbeast^ | HAM need refreshing and with stock HAM it can take 24 hours to display automagically |
| 08:26.27 | FalconSpy | I refreshed, checked the logs |
| 08:26.38 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Or you refresh manually and it takes upto 30 minutes or so. |
| 08:26.48 | FalconSpy | Well I refreshed manually...nothing showd |
| 08:26.52 | sixwheeledbeast^ | ~HAM |
| 08:26.52 | infobot | methinks ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham |
| 08:27.07 | sixwheeledbeast^ | yay infobots back |
| 08:27.10 | sixwheeledbeast^ | ~wb |
| 08:27.10 | infobot | thx |
| 08:27.24 | FalconSpy | I hit refresh about 10 times... |
| 08:27.27 | sixwheeledbeast^ | ~botsnack |
| 08:27.27 | infobot | sixwheeledbeast^: :) |
| 08:28.47 | FalconSpy | well I cancelled the apt-get upgrade.. |
| 08:28.55 | sixwheeledbeast^ | FalconSpy: Was the device clear from old software. |
| 08:29.10 | FalconSpy | I would imagine so? It was a stock device that I bought from Amazon |
| 08:29.12 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Or did it have a load of stuff on from the previous user |
| 08:29.34 | FalconSpy | well ebay |
| 08:29.37 | FalconSpy | Looks like it was wiped |
| 08:29.40 | FalconSpy | before i got it |
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| 08:31.02 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Right, personally my next step would be trying to get your flasher working and flash PR1.3.x on to it |
| 08:31.39 | sixwheeledbeast^ | What desktops do you have available? |
| 08:32.37 | FalconSpy | Windows 10, Win 8.1, Mac OSX Yosemite |
| 08:35.52 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Ok well I have used Win7/6 and Ubuntu. Do you have the flasher installed on all of them? |
| 08:36.55 | FalconSpy | on Windows 10 and Mac yes |
| 08:37.14 | FalconSpy | Flasher would just sit at awaiting suitable usb device even though the Windows 10 sees it in update mode |
| 08:37.25 | FalconSpy | even after running flasher then plugging it in |
| 08:37.31 | FalconSpy | Mac doesnt see it at all as far as I know |
| 08:39.08 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Lets try Win10 then. Power down your device. Use stock Nokia USB lead in a rear USB port |
| 08:39.48 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Best to use a port with no hubs inbetween or the like. |
| 08:40.25 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Do you have PR1.3 FW ready and the Emmc image ready? |
| 08:40.37 | sixwheeledbeast^ | ~pr1.3.1 |
| 08:40.37 | infobot | [combined] the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/, or http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/ |
| 08:40.39 | FalconSpy | I dont think I have either of those. Or at least not the correct ones |
| 08:41.57 | FalconSpy | downloading it now |
| 08:42.09 | sixwheeledbeast^ | the last link has root image |
| 08:43.34 | sixwheeledbeast^ | the community is not permitted to redistribute the image when Nokia disappeared. The ones found in the community are personal copies, normally with checksums |
| 08:44.00 | sixwheeledbeast^ | ~flasher |
| 08:44.00 | infobot | refer ~flashing; http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz; list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 08:46.46 | FalconSpy | alright got both |
| 08:47.40 | sixwheeledbeast^ | So you have flasher 3.5 installed to Win10, and both images to flash |
| 08:49.12 | FalconSpy | Only saw 1 .bin file? |
| 08:49.53 | FalconSpy | only link that worked was http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/ with 1 .bin |
| 08:50.08 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Yer that's just the rootfs image. |
| 08:51.44 | FalconSpy | idk what other image you are referring to then |
| 08:51.54 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Lets start with that to establish the flasher is working |
| 08:52.16 | FalconSpy | sure |
| 08:52.57 | sixwheeledbeast^ | We need to follow the flashing instructions from here on the page http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#N900_2 |
| 08:55.51 | FalconSpy | alright |
| 08:56.26 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Have you used that guide before? |
| 08:58.01 | FalconSpy | ive attempted to follow the guide before |
| 08:58.39 | FalconSpy | Suitable USB device not found, waiting |
| 08:58.51 | FalconSpy | Usual message I see |
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| 08:59.34 | FalconSpy | Held U plugged device in |
| 08:59.37 | FalconSpy | shows usb icon top right |
| 08:59.41 | FalconSpy | Still shows that message |
| 09:00.23 | sixwheeledbeast^ | ok, I assume 64 bit have you tried any of the 64 bit workarounds? |
| 09:01.35 | FalconSpy | im not aware of any 64 bit work arounds |
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| 09:02.51 | sixwheeledbeast^ | From Win7 onwards the drivers would not run as they where unsigned. Scroll further down the wiki page to troubleshooting and workarounds for 64 bit |
| 09:06.02 | FalconSpy | alright ill give option 1 a go |
| 09:06.04 | FalconSpy | be back |
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| 09:16.29 | FalconSpy | alright disabled my unsigned drivers |
| 09:19.03 | FalconSpy | still sits at Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 09:25.05 | FalconSpy | There we go...followed Option 5 |
| 09:25.57 | FalconSpy | Finishing flashing... done |
| 09:25.57 | FalconSpy | CMT flashed successfully |
| 09:26.10 | FalconSpy | What next sixwheeledbeast^? Also thank you for all your help you've given thus far |
| 09:26.38 | sixwheeledbeast^ | oh cool it flashed |
| 09:27.57 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I was going to say the backup option would be an Ubuntu VM or LiveCD |
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| 09:28.04 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Option 4 |
| 09:28.14 | FalconSpy | So it says version 21.2011.38-1 now |
| 09:28.30 | sixwheeledbeast^ | welcome to PR1.3.1 |
| 09:28.44 | sixwheeledbeast^ | No we fix your repos |
| 09:28.53 | sixwheeledbeast^ | s/No/Now/ |
| 09:29.28 | FalconSpy | So use http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ ? |
| 09:30.49 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I have never used it but seems the simplest way yeh. Use recommended, navigate there with MicroB on the device |
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| 09:38.43 | FalconSpy | well got everything I needed but stillc ant get u-boot installed |
| 09:38.56 | FalconSpy | breaks the 3rd party package policy |
| 09:42.30 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Right before you do anything else maybe worth thinking about using backupmenu to backup your fresh device. Unless your happy reflashing if you mess up |
| 09:42.37 | sixwheeledbeast^ | ~bm |
| 09:42.37 | infobot | well, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install |
| 09:43.02 | FalconSpy | fine with reflashing now that I can |
| 09:45.02 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Next it CSSU which is the community updates/bugfixes since pr1.3.1 |
| 09:45.23 | sixwheeledbeast^ | ~cssu |
| 09:45.23 | infobot | rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 09:46.17 | FalconSpy | ok |
| 09:46.45 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Open that page with MicroB click on Stable |
| 09:48.50 | FalconSpy | ok got that installed |
| 09:49.11 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Did it reboot? |
| 09:50.49 | FalconSpy | no but I do have a ton of updates now |
| 09:51.47 | sixwheeledbeast^ | run them in HAM and allow it to do it's thing, reboot etc. you may have to run again |
| 09:52.26 | sixwheeledbeast^ | remember HAM is slow... |
| 09:53.02 | FalconSpy | ok |
| 09:57.37 | FalconSpy | Keep getting unable to update X conflicting app package...continue installing |
| 09:58.10 | FalconSpy | looks like just all libqt stuff |
| 09:59.29 | FalconSpy | i dont think it loaded the updates from CSSU |
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| 10:01.22 | FalconSpy | oh...ddint run the enabler |
| 10:01.23 | FalconSpy | awkward |
| 10:04.14 | sixwheeledbeast^ | FalconSpy: that maybe why yes |
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| 10:16.43 | FalconSpy | Awesome. Thank you for your help sixwheeledbeast^ :) |
| 10:17.01 | sixwheeledbeast^ | FalconSpy: np are you all sorted now? |
| 10:17.05 | FalconSpy | Yep! |
| 10:17.18 | sixwheeledbeast^ | uboot etc? |
| 10:17.27 | FalconSpy | Is there a central repo for all of this stuff? Over the course of you helping me I must have seen so many repo links etc |
| 10:17.31 | FalconSpy | Yea uboot is installed |
| 10:18.44 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Not really as I say when the offical repos where removed it was taken into the community to use "Private Work Directories" due to issues in redistribution |
| 10:19.20 | FalconSpy | gotcha |
| 10:19.52 | FalconSpy | Id be interested in trying to set something up...seeing as how difficult this was for a complete beginner with the n900 etc |
| 10:20.25 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Long term users backed everything up themselves. The sources move (hence all the broken links) |
| 10:21.02 | FalconSpy | gotcha |
| 10:21.25 | FalconSpy | As I said id be interested in setting something else up as a mirror |
| 10:21.34 | FalconSpy | Just need to know what to do on my end to assist |
| 10:24.07 | sixwheeledbeast^ | This is how they are currently distributed personal copies, not ideal but the best option at the moment. |
| 10:24.27 | FalconSpy | ok |
| 10:24.40 | FalconSpy | well its 3am ill look into it in the morning. Thanks for your help! |
| 10:25.00 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I think you would have been fine if you used Linux to flash there is more support and less workarounds. |
| 10:25.13 | sixwheeledbeast^ | np gn o/ |
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| 10:57.56 | Wikiwide | The only apk so far which worked in apkenv on N9 Harmattan is Petals Redux, and not ideally either. Granted, I tried only 4 apks altogether : StaySafe UNSW, MICOMM v3, and KPhotoAlbum. |
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| 11:03.12 | Wikiwide | KPhotoAlbum gives lots of errors "Unimplemented pthread_*" |
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| 17:08.06 | Vajb | hehe saw 8bitdo brand bluetooth game pad and immediately thought if it might work with n900 and zsnes... |
| 18:00.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<FalconSpy> I hit refresh about 10 times...)) I', *sure* that helped a lot to speed up things ;-P |
| 18:08.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((Long term users backed everything up themselves)) see maemo.cloud-7.de and muarf. You don't need more |
| 18:08.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe useful: |
| 18:08.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 18:08.19 | infobot | i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 18:09.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<sixwheeledbeast^> I think you would have been fine if you used Linux)) see: |
| 18:09.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lazyflashing |
| 18:09.33 | infobot | lazyflashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach |
| 18:10.50 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Good to know it's possible on Win10 for future reference tho. |
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| 18:13.23 | sixwheeledbeast^ | That firmware page is just a mess, but the issue is legacy bookmarks etc |
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| 20:12.47 | FalconSpy | sixwheeledbeast^ the Option 5 as I said did the trick for me |
| 20:13.00 | FalconSpy | Or maybe it was combination of Option 1 and 5 since I did both |
| 20:14.44 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Most likely both. Allowing unsigned drivers and 64-bit workaround with libusb-win32. |
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| 21:23.16 | Maxdamantus | Vajb: fwiw, I've played PS1 games on N900 using a PS3 controller over Bluetooth. |
| 21:24.43 | Maxdamantus | Can even plug it into the TV too. |
| 21:24.52 | Maxdamantus | Too bad it doesn't perform as well as an actual PS1/PS2. |
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| 22:03.54 | Juesto | cool |
| 22:04.16 | Juesto | definitely not the best hardware trough |
| 22:29.50 | Maxdamantus | Well, I imagine the hardware *should* be sufficient. My guess is that the software is not the best. |
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