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| 00:33.05 | Maxdamantus | WRT that systemd thing .. my system at work (debian) handles usernames starting with "0" fine. |
| 00:33.59 | Maxdamantus | systemd does, that is .. wher `User=0max` and the "0max" user actually exists. |
| 00:34.25 | Maxdamantus | If it doesn't exist, it fails with status=217/USER |
| 00:35.12 | Maxdamantus | must be either a recent regression or some behaviour that depends on another library .. didn't notice anyone mentioning something like that when reading through the issue though. |
| 00:37.19 | Maxdamantus | is using systemd 222 |
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| 17:30.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: wb! |
| 17:30.48 | timeless | thanks |
| 17:31.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how networking works at all in containers |
| 17:32.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the end you need virtual NIC (or bridge) just like on any other virtualization |
| 17:32.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you have a dedicated physical NIC for each container |
| 17:33.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | right? |
| 17:33.50 | timeless | there are choices |
| 17:33.50 | timeless | you can assign a device straight into a container |
| 17:33.56 | timeless | you can let a container use NAT |
| 17:34.09 | timeless | or you can set up a bridge of a real device and then allow access to the bridge |
| 17:35.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | needs to sort his mind re bridge vs NAT |
| 17:35.50 | timeless | for more fun, my kernel is 2.6 |
| 17:35.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc a bridge is simply a sw-switch, right? |
| 17:36.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least on my router, it seems to be |
| 17:36.23 | timeless | that might be a reasonable way to look at it |
| 17:36.58 | timeless | roughly, a bridge allows multiple devices to claim to have distinct ip addresses together all of which can route out using the underlying device |
| 17:37.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought the distinct IP addr would turn it into sth involving NAT |
| 17:38.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you do full routing |
| 17:38.03 | timeless | the key difference is that w/ nat, you generally can't reach the connected devices from the host |
| 17:39.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | on my router br0 IFs all have same network and thus IP |
| 17:39.54 | timeless | NAT is functionally equivalent to a program acting as a client and making all outbound requests on behalf of all the things that it's natting |
| 17:41.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/10/plasma-desktophU8317.png |
| 17:41.44 | timeless | for more fun, this computer has two bond interfaces |
| 17:41.58 | timeless | iirc eth0+eth1 = bond0; eth2+eth3 = bond1 |
| 17:42.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | bond is channel bundling for bandwidth? |
| 17:43.29 | timeless | and reliability in case one of the cards/cables fails |
| 17:43.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard from a sysadmin friend that systemd killed all the bond groups in their corporate infra |
| 17:44.18 | timeless | joy, i can't wait for that |
| 17:44.18 | timeless | systemd/udev are replacing the eth{randomnumber} system w/ a different means of assigning names |
| 17:44.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | SLE |
| 17:44.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | 11? |
| 17:44.53 | timeless | sle? 11? |
| 17:45.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Suse Linux Enterprise 11 |
| 17:45.15 | timeless | i'm on rhel6 :) |
| 17:45.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | with Service Level agreement and on-site suse dude who's cursing whole day long |
| 17:46.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | systemd is real fun, the larger the infra the more the fun |
| 17:46.48 | timeless | i'm surprised they didn't test their rollout a couple of systems at a time |
| 17:46.49 | timeless | anyway, what i really want is a vbox style network |
| 17:46.49 | timeless | https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Network_Configuration_in_VirtualBox#Host-only_Networking |
| 17:47.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea about LXC here |
| 17:47.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither about docker |
| 17:48.22 | timeless | we've occasionally tried docker |
| 17:48.22 | timeless | we decided it was a PITA and totally unusable |
| 17:48.22 | timeless | i personally decided that their OpenSource system was *awful* |
| 17:48.38 | timeless | they were really really really bad at accepting PR requests via github |
| 17:48.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems Poettering likes it, so it must be awful |
| 17:49.17 | timeless | in theory, it's a good idea |
| 17:49.25 | timeless | but their docs, their PR system, their people... all lead me to not wanting to touch it w/ a 10' pole |
| 17:50.21 | timeless | the idea is great. and i think that docker has a proper local network bridge |
| 17:50.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I only ever looked into Xen a tiny bit, with maemo infra. And the usual "everything for testing" on my personal workstation |
| 17:51.18 | timeless | i've used xen a bit, i think kvm a bit, vbox a bunch, occasionally vmware / fusion (iirc qnx/bb10 favored them) |
| 17:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think a decent full virtualization is better than that para(?) stuff |
| 17:51.46 | timeless | oh, and i used solaris zones while hosting maemo stuff :) |
| 17:52.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 17:52.08 | timeless | solaris zones were awesome. lxc is only now barely close to where solaris zones were 10 years ago :( |
| 17:52.17 | timeless | my cross reference was done using a lot of magic |
| 17:52.49 | timeless | opensolaris host os, nexenta guest zone |
| 17:52.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah the awesome MXR(?) |
| 17:52.50 | timeless | nexenta is a debian solaris userspace |
| 17:52.50 | timeless | yep |
| 17:52.58 | timeless | so i used that to get the sources from .deb's |
| 17:52.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pity that vanished |
| 17:53.03 | timeless | yeah, sorry about that |
| 17:53.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | couldn't have done H-E-N without |
| 17:53.43 | timeless | it might be possible to talk to http://timeless.justdave.net/ (say "host: mxr.maemo.org") |
| 17:54.31 | timeless | oh, no, because there's too much magic involved |
| 17:54.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | we should port that stuff to maemo infra |
| 17:54.31 | timeless | dreamhost doesn't know about it |
| 17:54.37 | timeless | i'm pretty sure the data is still in timeless.justdave.net |
| 17:55.12 | timeless | if you look at http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/mxr-test/source/ |
| 17:55.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: xes_^: any chance for that? |
| 17:55.19 | timeless | you can see that the configs are mostly there |
| 17:56.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: given you get access on a VM, would you be able and willing to port stuff to there? |
| 17:56.11 | timeless | anyway, solaris zones are basically proper lightweight virtualization |
| 17:56.13 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: eventually, maybe. not anytime soon |
| 17:56.31 | timeless | right now i need to focus on fixing these two lxcs |
| 17:56.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, it's dead since3 what? 5 years now? |
| 17:56.39 | timeless | something like that... |
| 17:57.12 | timeless | anyway... lxc hell |
| 17:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | at large or just networking? |
| 17:57.31 | timeless | just networking |
| 17:57.43 | timeless | roughly i'm hosting a `pydio` instance (that i don't trust much) in an lxc |
| 17:58.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | never heard of |
| 17:58.16 | timeless | pydio.com/ |
| 17:58.25 | timeless | and i just need to let the host talk to the pydio instance so that the internet can access it |
| 17:58.49 | timeless | it's basically a file sharing system |
| 17:58.49 | timeless | w/ semi-shiny ui |
| 17:58.59 | timeless | i don't really care. mostly it's a web server and scary [hence lxc] |
| 17:59.09 | timeless | in theory, this would be a good chore for docker |
| 17:59.33 | joga | I'm not an expert on lxcs but we do use them at work |
| 18:00.09 | joga | (for bulk of the stuff anyway, not all of it) |
| 18:00.10 | timeless | i had this lxc working, but apparently not enough of it was set to automatically start after a reboot :-( |
| 18:00.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk |
| 18:00.34 | joga | I handle them with proxmox |
| 18:00.45 | joga | makes it nice and clicky mostly |
| 18:01.45 | timeless | googles |
| 18:02.55 | timeless | joga: did anyone at your company worry about AGPLv3? |
| 18:03.20 | joga | ...not to my knowledge |
| 18:03.29 | timeless | ... did anyone look at it? :) |
| 18:04.06 | joga | well I didn't at least :) |
| 18:05.08 | timeless | some of these licenses (and i can't remember which) have cascading impact on things that run nearby |
| 18:05.50 | timeless | imagine a "GPL-like license" on a "linux kernel" that required all userspace to be governed by that those same license terms |
| 18:06.08 | timeless | sadly, i can't remember which licenses have that property |
| 18:06.24 | joga | you mean I couldn't host a webapp on a container in proxmox? |
| 18:06.33 | timeless | i'm not saying that |
| 18:07.04 | timeless | i don't remember which license was risky |
| 18:07.04 | timeless | but in theory a poorly designed (or intentionally designed) license could require the associated webapp to also be open sourced |
| 18:07.41 | joga | well, I assume it's fine since they also offer paid support (we have community licenses for now) etc., but not gonna research it on my N900 right now :) |
| 18:08.20 | timeless | :) |
| 18:08.20 | timeless | http://elinux.org/Legal_Issues#GPL.2FLGPL_license_version_.28v3.29_issues |
| 18:09.53 | timeless | that page is actually pretty good. see also the "Use of kernel header files in user-space" |
| 18:10.29 | timeless | essentially the linux kernel developers have a carve-out designed to make sure that non GPL stuff is allowed to run w/o being tainted by GPL. But conceptually, w/o such carve outs, it could be pretty easy to consider "linux + all running applications on it" as a "derivative work" of "linux" |
| 18:10.55 | timeless | and "derivative work" is where open source licenses typically bind their magic |
| 18:11.17 | joga | ah well, we're not distributing the systems per se, just using it as an alternative to vsphere et al |
| 18:11.46 | timeless | so, v3 and agpl and friends were specifically to catch "apps in the cloud" |
| 18:11.57 | timeless | such that "accessing an app" qualified as "distribution" |
| 18:12.16 | timeless | if it's totally in house, you don't have a problem, because none of your people would exercise the clauses |
| 18:12.30 | timeless | in my case, the applications i'm hosting aren't only for my employer |
| 18:12.36 | timeless | which means i'm always slightly more cautious |
| 18:13.18 | joga | well, basically the only layer outsiders access is some nginx instance |
| 18:13.30 | timeless | right |
| 18:13.44 | timeless | it's just always very hard to tell what a given license does and how it impacts other things |
| 18:13.52 | timeless | especially if one hasn't played w/ it in a while |
| 18:13.53 | joga | I suppose so |
| 18:14.00 | timeless | i haven't looked at agpl/agpl3 in perhaps 10 years |
| 18:14.24 | timeless | i do remember that some license near that family was designed to catch more things and have more cascades |
| 18:14.34 | timeless | but i could easily be recalling the wrong license :) |
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| 18:14.45 | timeless | and i certainly don't remember the particulars :) |
| 18:19.50 | timeless | http://gpl-violations.org/news/ is an interesting read... |
| 18:26.05 | timeless | sadly, the mailing lists linked from http://gpl-violations.org/mailinglists/ near the bottom aren't around |
| 18:26.52 | timeless | (at least the https links for browsing don't work) |
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| 19:44.22 | kalin | Hi! I'm new here. Can someone help me to run PyOBD on my n900 pls? |
| 19:47.52 | Wizzup | if it's not packaged in maemo, try a chroot |
| 19:49.52 | kalin | it is packaged, but i have dependencies issues |
| 19:51.08 | kalin | and nokia droped down repos |
| 19:57.32 | kalin | is there mirrors of repos? |
| 19:57.59 | Wizzup | yes, but idk the shortcut for the help bot. |
| 19:58.21 | KotCzarny | maemo-repos |
| 19:58.25 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 19:58.26 | infobot | it has been said that maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 20:04.53 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: hey, do you think it's possible to create a bridge over a loopback? :) |
| 20:07.44 | sicelo | kalin: i did use it for some time .. worked reasonably ok. would hang sometimes (although i think problem was largely my clone, cheap reader, as well as the car itself (early merc)) |
| 20:07.56 | sicelo | but yes, fix your repos first |
| 20:11.45 | kalin | how |
| 20:12.33 | sicelo | you have been given links in KotCzarny's last comment .. |
| 20:14.11 | KotCzarny | there are also one click repos there for slower learners |
| 20:19.03 | kalin | i will try it |
| 20:19.12 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: so... i think my problem is that my containers are systemd |
| 20:19.16 | timeless | i wonder if they "upgraded" |
| 20:19.29 | timeless | systemd in containers is really not friendly to linux kernel 2.6 |
| 20:20.21 | Wizzup | then deinstall systemd |
| 20:20.25 | timeless | yep |
| 20:20.29 | Wizzup | lxc doesn't require it |
| 20:20.32 | timeless | considers moving from debian to devuan |
| 20:20.48 | Wizzup | neither does a chroot |
| 20:23.29 | timeless | nods |
| 20:23.35 | timeless | starts the painful process |
| 20:24.33 | timeless | joy https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Wrwp6NMa/ |
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| 20:27.52 | timeless | sighs https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kBSn0YIO/ |
| 20:44.59 | Wizzup | I keep getting the same text every 30 mins or so |
| 20:45.11 | Wizzup | anyone know wtf is up? |
| 20:45.38 | Wizzup | is this a maemo bug, operator bug...? |
| 20:45.38 | Wizzup | I've gotten it like 14 times |
| 20:45.56 | sicelo | text? sms? o r email? |
| 20:45.58 | Wizzup | sms |
| 20:46.25 | Wizzup | it's keeping me awake at this point |
| 20:46.41 | Wizzup | I guess I can turn off vibration in silent mode... |
| 20:47.45 | sicelo | no idea. never had that, although i vaguely remeber someone else once had .. maybe on tmo. |
| 20:48.52 | Wizzup | I'll turn it into offline mode if it persists. |
| 20:54.16 | Vajb | Wizzup: u can disable vibration in same place where u set device silent... |
| 20:54.39 | Wizzup | I know. |
| 20:54.46 | Wizzup | But I don't like doing that. |
| 20:55.15 | Vajb | then i don't get ur problem :) |
| 20:55.45 | Wizzup | ... |
| 20:55.50 | Wizzup | I keep getting the same sms |
| 20:55.55 | Wizzup | like it's a new one |
| 20:55.57 | Vajb | yes |
| 20:55.59 | Wizzup | every 30 mins |
| 20:56.08 | Wizzup | that's a *bug* somewhere |
| 20:56.31 | Vajb | hmm maybe network fails to get "ok got it" reply from ur phine |
| 20:56.37 | Wizzup | I don't want to make my phone unusable by removing vibrate from silent |
| 20:56.38 | Vajb | phone* |
| 20:56.45 | Wizzup | could. other texts worked fine |
| 20:58.42 | Vajb | somewhat strange.. |
| 20:58.54 | Wizzup | rebooted also |
| 20:58.59 | Wizzup | still got it |
| 20:59.00 | Wizzup | ... |
| 20:59.21 | sicelo | if you have another phone, i'd say try moving the sim across for a while |
| 20:59.26 | Vajb | i think max dbls was like 3 of same, but that was when i cross country via boat |
| 20:59.54 | Vajb | and they advertised roaming prices |
| 20:59.55 | Wizzup | I am not in my home country, but still |
| 21:00.38 | Vajb | hmm im smelling vague coincidence |
| 21:03.03 | Wizzup | well, time to sleep |
| 21:23.38 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: hurray! switching debian to devuan fixed my lxc hell |
| 21:23.48 | timeless | (yes, i know, rhel6 is old) |
| 21:43.57 | bencoh | Wizzup: could be an issue on the other side (sender) |
| 21:44.12 | timeless | well, actually, it only fixed 1/2 systems in lxc hell |
| 21:50.56 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: http://www.iomem.com/index.php?archives/4-Ethernet-Bridges-under-Linux.html&serendipity[entrypage]=all |
| 21:56.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: there's a bug with some SMS providers that reply an error code that makes a lot of phones resend the SMS. WATCH OUT!! it caused immense bill to the users that suffered it |
| 22:02.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly the same works in inverse direction: the SMS delivery doesn't succeed 100% due to a bug in SMS provider not getting the "OK, received" feedback from phone, and thus trying again to deliver it. Luckily no provider will keep any SMS for delivery longer than one week (iirc, max 2 weeks when I'm wrong with 1), So even when this would go on, at least after a week the SMS gets discarded as undeliverable |
| 22:05.15 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: so... wanna see if we can get my lxc hell sorted? |
| 22:05.27 | timeless | RHEL6 host; devuan "jessie" guest |
| 22:06.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds good, I'm happy for every "devuan fixed it for me" report :-) |
| 22:07.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already considered crossposting your "hooray" to #devuan, but seems you reported there as well :-) |
| 22:07.32 | sicelo | it's based on which debian release by the way? |
| 22:12.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 22:12.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | devuan? jessie |
| 22:14.00 | sicelo | ok |
| 22:14.58 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: the repos still claim to be jessie about half the time |
| 22:15.34 | timeless | so, here's a working system: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2XxkRl74/ |
| 22:15.45 | timeless | and here's the broken system https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/C0QsIB2J/ |
| 22:16.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: hmm? |
| 22:17.08 | timeless | tries to figure out where virbr0-nic came frome |
| 22:17.59 | timeless | -e |
| 22:18.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://devuan.org/os/filenaming |
| 22:19.08 | timeless | eureka https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/JJHJ7zue/ |
| 22:19.15 | timeless | working https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/zWcQVElg/ |
| 22:19.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | err https://devuan.org/os/releases |
| 22:19.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | please post that in #devuan :-) |
| 22:19.41 | timeless | once i get it to do something useful |
| 22:20.27 | timeless | comparing two fairly large systems to figure out how they differ is painful |
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| 22:21.43 | Maxdamantus | O_o semantic versioning for an OS distribution? How does that even work? |
| 22:23.08 | *** part/#maemo deep-book-gk_ (~1wm_su@50.118.215.100) |
| 22:42.22 | timeless | Maxdamantus: whichi part? |
| 22:42.44 | timeless | 0.10.2 / 62 / el6 / x86_64 |
| 22:42.50 | timeless | the arch is usually irrelevant |
| 22:43.13 | timeless | but in theory if you had a choice between an el6 and an el7 and your system wasn't rejecting one/the other, you'd probably get the newer one |
| 22:43.27 | timeless | the 62 is roughly a "packager" patch number |
| 22:43.45 | timeless | 0.10.2 is the upstream version |
| 22:44.48 | timeless | anyway... looks like i get to migrate pydio from sqlite to mysql |
| 22:44.53 | timeless | which should be loads of fun |
| 22:45.01 | timeless | pydio didn't provide a migration script |
| 22:45.15 | timeless | so i get to perform a "dump" and an "import" and then massage all the config |
| 22:45.18 | timeless | grumbles |
| 22:47.57 | Maxdamantus | Well, semantic versioning has to do with constraints on version WRT API |
| 22:49.35 | Maxdamantus | I guess it could kind of make sene for an OS if you know all software that has changed versions has similar constraints on their versions, but that seems like it'd be really hard to reason about. |
| 22:50.23 | Maxdamantus | s/\<sene\>/sense/ |
| 22:52.03 | Maxdamantus | also, haven't really looked into it, but it seems weird to have such precise versioning for a Debian derivitive, since Debian itself is usually considered a "rolling release" since it doesn't seem to have those. |
| 22:53.01 | Maxdamantus | Hm. Are you saying that the semantic version only applies to the package manager and not all the packages included? |
| 22:53.38 | Maxdamantus | So `0.10.62` might have one of various versions of libpng? |
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| 23:06.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
