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02:59.40MaceN8x0well
02:59.53MaceN8x0guess i got this old thing working
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03:41.09jrgso im trying to update to diablo cssu
03:41.25jrgkeep getting errors from the wiki
03:41.41jrgabout an exe that failed to download?
03:43.41jrgoh.. nm.. seems to be working now heh
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04:06.04jrgim at a loss
04:06.23jrgi installed the repo and updater but dont see the updater
04:06.33jrgam i missing something?
04:08.34jrgi dont see an update
04:16.22jrgblah
04:16.34jrgguess ill wait until i can flash it
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07:45.42KotCzarnyhttp://www.cnx-software.com/2017/07/09/jolla-tablet-take-2-youyouta-tablet-runs-linux-based-sailfish-os-2-1-operating-system-crowdfunding/  lol, intel?
07:47.50TheKitported Hildon-Desktop would surely run on it with MESA :)
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11:02.09ShadowJKThe original tablet was also intel
11:06.40KotCzarnyi wonder what is/will be the battery life
11:40.06TheKitKotCzarny, around 3 hours I think
11:40.10jrgand the tablet was canceled with on a few backers having received their tablet.
11:40.26TheKit(not owner of original Jolla Tablet, just have generic Bay Trail-based one)
11:40.26jrgthat's where I stopped heh. I couldn't get past the typo
11:40.51jrgyah.
11:41.15jrgI can't get this n810 to see the cssu update.
11:41.48jrgthink I have to flash it. I can't even remember what I put on it last.
11:46.12Vajbumm what was the command to get the link for lazyflashing?
11:46.25Vajb~flashing
11:46.25infobotmaemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing
11:46.49Vajb~lazyflashing
11:46.49infobotfrom memory, lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach
11:47.12Vajbcool. Guess they r saved to web log soonish?
11:48.57Wizzup3 hours battery life? lol
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11:52.47Vajb_hmm, it seems im growing a bad habbit here. Second time in a day that i drop my phone and have it exploded to three pieces. Glad that n900 is rather sturdy.
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12:38.32TheKitWizzup, 20000 mAh powerbank will probably help it a bit :)
12:39.28TheKitis there any onscreen keyboard for hildon-desktop that can be recompiled?
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14:15.09jrghm
14:15.27jrgi give up on whatever is on this n810 heh
14:16.32jrglooks like i will just have to flash it to figure it out
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14:16.53jrgthe cssu repo isnt showing me an update on it
14:19.39jrgW: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org diablo Release: The follo wing signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E40DC434616730BD
14:19.49jrgmaybe that too?
14:50.16DocScrutinizer05W == Warning
14:50.54DocScrutinizer05*should* not break anything
14:51.45DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure there's actually a diablo CSSU repo
15:04.46jrgDocScrutinizer05: maybe just a cssu in general?
15:04.52jrgthat key is for fremantle?
15:05.25jrgeither way. i think i'm going to resort to flashing it later anywyas. i can't seem to update to cssu ... repo installs.. updates. no update shown in either app manager or apt in a shell
15:06.01jrgany other operating systems that run on the N810 that are worthwhile? i vaguely remember gentoo being able to run on it. although i'd probably never use gentoo
15:06.06DocScrutinizer05the repos changed a bit during last 8 or 9 years
15:06.20jrgyah heh. i'm sure. especially with the move away from nokia
15:06.31DocScrutinizer05yep, exactly
15:06.48jrgto this day i curse noka for ditching maemo when they went to meego then abandoned everything
15:06.48DocScrutinizer05~cssu
15:06.48infobotit has been said that cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
15:06.59jrgDocScrutinizer05: yah i looked at that and followed the diablo instructions
15:07.13jrgshould have pretty much been ... the link. app manager. install. update.
15:07.25DocScrutinizer05so this? http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_Community_Project
15:07.44jrgyes
15:07.54jrgtried stable and unstable
15:08.03jrgi see the pkg installed. but no update when refreshed
15:08.33DocScrutinizer05hmm http://repository.maemo.org/community/dists/diablo/ still exists
15:08.33jrgtoo bad i have my other laptops packed up otherwise i'd have used one to flash it
15:09.01DocScrutinizer05I guess last commits to the diablo CSSU repo been years ago, many years
15:09.23DocScrutinizer052013 the freshest
15:09.35jrg2013 is probably better than what i have on it now heh
15:09.40jrganything else i can run on it?
15:10.05DocScrutinizer05hardly, N8x0 have software blob controlled battery charging afaik
15:10.24jrgblah. ah well. i'll just install carman and see if the bt odb2 connector i have owrks
15:10.35DocScrutinizer05others in here are more savvy regarding diablo and N8x0
15:11.04jrgyah it's just incredibly old. just thought it would be neat to use it for something. like when my iphone is charging and i want to irc heh
15:11.10DocScrutinizer05I might bet a few users actually still use it every day
15:11.42KotCzarnyif you want a player that can play almost any file format you could try oscp
15:12.00DocScrutinizer05btw any reporting in here about diablo is highly welcome. At very least by me since I got a 6 devices to upfate as well
15:12.05DocScrutinizer05update even
15:12.24jrgwell i'll worry about it after i am able to flash it. the thing wasn't touched since like 2011... i'm surprised the battery still works
15:13.04jrgthe neo900 looks interesting .. would be nice to have something that could run maemo again and was a bit beefier
15:13.15jrgit's just still a bit dated compared to newer things. is that a maemo blob issue?
15:14.06DocScrutinizer05I had one running 24/7/366 until a two or three years ago it failed on reboot out of nothing. I never found the time to look into it and meanwhile forgot all the knowhow
15:14.36DocScrutinizer05N810 that is
15:14.53jrgoh. the neo900 is a refurbished n900 with a newer board?
15:15.08bencohindeed
15:15.08DocScrutinizer05yes
15:15.16bencohis supposed to be*
15:16.04jrgare they even selling these? because the price is for partial funding.. for a higher price? and at 480EU
15:16.09jrgthat's crazy expensive heh
15:16.23DocScrutinizer05it's basically me and no, it's still in development
15:16.56DocScrutinizer05yes, unbearably expensive, due to low sales volume
15:17.43jrgare you having the cases fabricated? or are you actually finding old n900s to use the cases from?
15:17.51DocScrutinizer05the latter
15:18.15jrgouch. that is probably difficult
15:18.18DocScrutinizer05til now. Might have to change to the former if we want to go for higher sales volume
15:18.30DocScrutinizer05yes, very difficult
15:18.57jrgnot easier to see about having a case made? or a different sized case that can fit the board?
15:19.08jrgi'm guessing the qwerty has to be an absolute pain to have made
15:19.11DocScrutinizer05possibly
15:19.33DocScrutinizer05yes, mechanical parts are a pita and very expensive tooling to make
15:19.42jrgi was thinking more about the internationalization
15:19.51jrgie: german vs US qwerty
15:19.58DocScrutinizer05niche problem :-)
15:20.01jrgwhich i'm guessing is a big reason people moved away from hw qwerty
15:20.38DocScrutinizer05keymats are still available, though other than qwerty are hard to find meanwhile
15:21.02jrgso you'd pretty much have to ebay an old n900. gut it. swap the board. send it out?
15:21.12DocScrutinizer05seems russian layout is widely available
15:21.36DocScrutinizer05sort of, yes. We buy them in batches of 20 or 40 though
15:21.46jrgold n900s? from where?!
15:21.48DocScrutinizer05via our chinese boots on the ground
15:21.50jrgoh
15:22.14jrgalmost seems easier if you could get some chinese company to make a case that fits the board. but you'd probably run into quality issues
15:22.20DocScrutinizer05we sourced all we need for the preorders
15:22.35DocScrutinizer05yes, exactly
15:22.45DocScrutinizer05not probably, for sure
15:23.15DocScrutinizer05you seen/watched http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/neo900-wpwrak_CCC2015.webm  ?
15:25.09DocScrutinizer05o/ bbl
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15:40.27rysiek|plhi all
15:40.34rysiek|pltrying, at the ong last, to install CSSU
15:40.46rysiek|pland HAM gives me errors
15:41.28rysiek|plis getting the logfile now
15:42.17rysiek|plthere's a lot of stuff like
15:42.18rysiek|plapt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain: osso-pdf-viewer-l10n-cscz
15:45.12rysiek|pland then there's a number of "PNG Decompression errors"
15:45.26rysiek|plthen "[ Some installed packages are broken! ]"
15:45.47rysiek|plthe only upgradeable package is libqtm-contacts
15:45.57rysiek|plbut when I try to upgrade it I get a conflict
15:46.28rysiek|plwith a metric shit-ton of qt4 packages
15:46.47KotCzarnyreflash maybe then try ?
15:46.52KotCzarny~cssu
15:46.52infobotwell, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
15:50.20rysiek|plhmmm
15:50.28rysiek|pltrying `apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr`
15:50.30rysiek|pllet's see
15:50.36KotCzarnywrong way.
15:50.46rysiek|pl?
15:50.47KotCzarnygo to that page and follow correct installation steps
15:51.01rysiek|plI went to that page and followed the correct installation steps. they failed.
15:51.19KotCzarnyyou might be having some blocking packages probably
15:51.39rysiek|pland then I went here:
15:51.39rysiek|plhttps://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ
15:52.02rysiek|pl"""
15:52.02rysiek|plIn case there are a lot of packages causing the problem you may run the following command in X Terminal with root privileges:
15:52.02rysiek|pl<PROTECTED>
15:52.02rysiek|pl<PROTECTED>
15:52.02rysiek|plThat will allow upgrade to the CSSU.
15:52.04rysiek|pl"""
15:52.27rysiek|plit's already running, so I'll just see what happens I guess
15:55.57DocScrutinizer05are you running that as root?
15:56.20rysiek|plyes
15:57.10rysiek|plso far so good
15:57.21rysiek|pldone
15:57.25rysiek|plshould I reboot?
15:57.48DocScrutinizer05hmm, can't hurt
15:58.01rysiek|plm'kay
15:58.05rysiek|pland afterwards?
15:58.13rysiek|pltry with the CSSU link again?
15:58.28DocScrutinizer05anyway you noticed the recommended CSSU installation process consists of TWO steps?
15:59.03rysiek|plthis? https://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU
15:59.13rysiek|plI see 9 steps there
15:59.47DocScrutinizer05yes
16:00.32rysiek|plgot to step 5
16:00.38rysiek|pland HAM crapped out, repeatedly
16:00.57DocScrutinizer05did you check step1 ?
16:01.05rysiek|plyes
16:02.09rysiek|pltrying step 5 again
16:03.12DocScrutinizer05>>Make sure you have no too weird catalog settings in Application manager, esp it's recommended you never disable the core Nokia SSU repositories. see 1.<<  disable additional repos / catalogs you have
16:03.14rysiek|plah, now it works
16:03.42rysiek|plyes, did that
16:04.01rysiek|plseems to work now
16:05.07rysiek|plwe shall see
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16:10.30rysiek|plhuh
16:10.40rysiek|plno "Community SSU" icon in the applications menu
16:11.32DocScrutinizer05there's no application "Community SSU"
16:12.04DocScrutinizer05just like there's no application "debian wheezy"
16:13.01DocScrutinizer05there is (or shall be) a "about CSSU" item in system menu
16:14.11DocScrutinizer05sorry, in "Settinhs" app
16:14.43rysiek|pl7. Once this is completed, close HAM and go into the applications menu. Tap the Community SSU icon. This will run through a series of scripts to ensure the community repository are set up.
16:14.49rysiek|plso.
16:15.13DocScrutinizer05well that is the second step I meant
16:15.28rysiek|plyes, and I do not have thayt "app"
16:16.14rysiek|plI do have About Community CSU in Settings though
16:16.15rysiek|plhuh
16:17.54rysiek|plok, let's reboot and see what happens
16:18.02DocScrutinizer05sorry, you have to wait for the CSSU experts then. The instructions worked for a bazillion of users
16:18.02rysiek|plthis is weird
16:18.10rysiek|plyeah
16:18.23rysiek|plthanks anyway
16:19.24DocScrutinizer05the Community SSU icon is a one shot thing completing the CSSU installation. It's possible you shortcut that step by your problem workaround
16:20.04DocScrutinizer05open HAM and see which updates are available
16:21.43rysiek|plnone
16:23.28rysiek|plapt says otherwise thouhg
16:23.33rysiek|pl17 not upgraded
16:23.35rysiek|plhmmm
16:24.58DocScrutinizer05you're probably not waiting for HAM to finsih
16:25.39DocScrutinizer05your initial report up here already sounded fishy, not anything a apt-get install could fix
16:26.14rysiek|plwell it explicitly says "no updates available"
16:26.21DocScrutinizer05sounds like you got repos enabled that conflict with CSSU
16:26.58rysiek|plI have 2 Nokia mirrors, and the Community CSSU repo
16:27.02DocScrutinizer05did you edit the repo list manually?
16:27.04rysiek|plthese are the three I have enabled
16:27.05DocScrutinizer05ever?
16:27.06rysiek|plno
16:27.08rysiek|plnever
16:27.32rysiek|plshould I do community-cssu-disabler, and then community-cssu-enabler again?
16:27.53DocScrutinizer05no, disabler doesn't work
16:28.17rysiek|plis there a way to force the enabler to re-install CSSU?
16:28.32DocScrutinizer05for sure there is, but I don't know it
16:28.36rysiek|plok
16:28.41DocScrutinizer05wait for Pali
16:28.45rysiek|pldo you have CSSU on your n900?
16:28.46DocScrutinizer05or merlin1991
16:28.55DocScrutinizer05sure
16:29.02rysiek|plI'd like to know which version of some packages I should have
16:29.06rysiek|plsay, pulseaudio
16:29.32rysiek|plI'm at ii  pulseaudio                                          0.9.15-1maemo43+0m5                        PulseAudio sound server
16:29.39rysiek|plthat doesn't sound correct
16:30.09rysiek|plDocScrutinizer05: can you check which version you're on?
16:30.29DocScrutinizer05http://paste.ubuntu.com/25054665
16:30.56DocScrutinizer05no warranty this is all up to date
16:31.39rysiek|plyeah
16:31.51rysiek|plbut I don't even have "cssu" in package versions
16:31.52rysiek|plwtf
16:31.53DocScrutinizer05http://paste.ubuntu.com/25054671
16:32.27rysiek|plthx
16:33.45DocScrutinizer05ask Pali, he's the expert
16:33.50rysiek|plit's as if it completely ignores deb http://repository.maemo.org/community/ fremantle free non-free
16:33.53rysiek|plwill do
16:33.54rysiek|plthanks
16:34.31Paliwhat is the problem?
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16:36.16DocScrutinizer05if you're somewhat experienced with apt and shell, you may want to have a look at http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/session-log_enable-catalogs_README.txt  and the source http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs
16:36.26DocScrutinizer05Pali: CSSU install failed
16:36.35rysiek|plPali: hey
16:36.46Palijust click on install icon on wiki
16:36.57Palihttp://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU
16:37.11DocScrutinizer05[2017-07-09 Sun 17:40:46] <rysiek|pl> and HAM gives me errors
16:37.13DocScrutinizer05[2017-07-09 Sun 17:41:27] * rysiek|pl is getting the logfile now
16:37.14DocScrutinizer05[2017-07-09 Sun 17:42:17] <rysiek|pl> there's a lot of stuff like
16:37.16DocScrutinizer05[2017-07-09 Sun 17:42:18] <rysiek|pl> apt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain: osso-pdf-viewer-l10n-cscz
16:37.17DocScrutinizer05[2017-07-09 Sun 17:45:12] <rysiek|pl> and then there's a number of "PNG Decompression errors"
16:37.19DocScrutinizer05[2017-07-09 Sun 17:45:26] <rysiek|pl> then "[ Some installed packages are broken! ]"
16:37.23rysiek|plPali: yeah, I did that. first it failed a couple of times with an "error" in HAM, then I got a bit desperate and did  apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr
16:37.37rysiek|pland then it kinda worked, I guess (HAM installed something), but:
16:37.43rysiek|pl1. I still have old package versions
16:37.49KotCzarnyremember he has n8x0
16:37.57rysiek|plno, n900
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16:38.06rysiek|pl2. even though in Settings I do have Community SSU
16:38.07KotCzarnyoh? then it was the other guy, eh
16:38.25rysiek|pl3. and even though community-ssu-enabler tells me all is installed
16:38.57rysiek|plPali: so my question is, is there a way to *force* community-ssu-enabler to re-do all necessary steps even though it thinks they're done
16:39.00Paliare you installing stable or testing?
16:39.04rysiek|plstable
16:39.10rysiek|plbut I am open to testing also
16:39.21rysiek|plthat's a device that's not used actively
16:39.30Paliopen HAM and check if CSSU stable catalogue is enabled
16:39.43DocScrutinizer05ooh, you can install testing any time over stable
16:40.00Paliyes, you can upgrade from stable --> testing
16:40.09rysiek|plPali: "Community SSU" is enabled
16:40.23rysiek|plthen there are "Community SSU (testing)" (and others) that are disabled
16:40.27DocScrutinizer05but you should try to investigate errors in HAM instead of desparately trying apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr
16:40.33Paliclick on it, view, and write URL
16:40.40Paliwhat is configured for that catalogue
16:40.56rysiek|plhttp://repository.maemo.org/community/
16:41.04rysiek|pldistro: freemantle
16:41.10rysiek|plcomponents: free non-free
16:41.18rysiek|pldisabled: false
16:41.27Palithat is OK
16:41.37rysiek|playe
16:41.39Paliclick in HAM where is button: check for updates
16:41.43Paliand wait
16:42.01DocScrutinizer05waaaaait ;-)
16:42.12DocScrutinizer05this isn't speedyham yet
16:42.27Paliyes, wait, HAM in stock maemo and cssu stable is slooow
16:42.36Palisometimes it can take about 30minutes...
16:42.36rysiek|plchecking, and then... "no updates available"
16:42.38DocScrutinizer05like, 10 minutes
16:42.46rysiek|plas in, it explicitly says there are no updates
16:42.56rysiek|plafter it checks (displaying a progress bar and all)
16:43.09Palifirst it say "no updates", but icon is animating/rotating
16:43.09rysiek|plas if the Community SSU repo is being ignored
16:43.19rysiek|plit is not animating nor rotating
16:43.27rysiek|plCPU usage is low
16:43.31Palicheck for updates again
16:43.43rysiek|plsure
16:44.00Paliand... open menu and check if you see there application icon named "Community SSU Enabler"
16:44.00rysiek|plchecking...
16:44.12rysiek|plno updates available
16:44.42Palialso run: apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr
16:44.43rysiek|plno, I do not have that icon
16:45.24rysiek|plhttp://wklej.org/id/3215951/
16:46.42DocScrutinizer05heretic thought: how about a reflash and then install CSSU again?
16:46.46Paliok, going to look at version numbers...
16:47.01rysiek|plDocScrutinizer05: quite a nuclear option ;)
16:47.03Paliat least in git I see updates from 017-06-29 09:42:03 (ileuu)
16:47.08DocScrutinizer05indeed
16:47.12rysiek|plDocScrutinizer05: might go for it if nothing else works
16:47.20Paliso there is something new...
16:47.26DocScrutinizer05see ~lazyflashing for that
16:47.31rysiek|plmhm
16:47.45DocScrutinizer05eventually
16:47.48DocScrutinizer05possibly
16:47.50DocScrutinizer05maybe
16:47.53Palinope, in git is only testing
16:47.57Pali-stable not updated
16:48.12Paliin git is -stable 21.2011.38-1Smaemo7
16:48.16DocScrutinizer05upgrade to testing for now?
16:48.27Paliand from apt we see: 21.2011.38-1Smaemo8
16:48.32DocScrutinizer05start from scratch with testing
16:48.33rysiek|plPali: I definitely have an old pulseaudio version, for example
16:48.47rysiek|plPali: as in, I don't think CSSU updates went through
16:48.48DocScrutinizer05suggestion ^^^^ or even question
16:48.58rysiek|plshould I click on the testing version icon in wiki/CSSU?
16:49.01rysiek|plPali: ^^^
16:49.10Palirysiek|pl: you do not have old pulseaudio
16:49.30Palicssu-stable uses same pulseaudio as in stock maemo
16:49.36rysiek|plaaaah
16:49.44rysiek|plok, should I do the testing thing then
16:49.49Paliwait...
16:49.54rysiek|plk
16:50.10Paliopen control panel (or how it is called)
16:50.16DocScrutinizer05settings
16:50.17Paliand check if there is cssu menu
16:50.54Paliplus run: apt-cache policy libcpaboutcssu
16:51.28DocScrutinizer05http://paste.ubuntu.com/25054793
16:52.09Palirysiek|pl: ^^^
16:52.34Palinot from you DocScrutinizer05...
16:52.43DocScrutinizer05sure, just for reference
16:53.09DocScrutinizer05though that's Testing
16:53.09rysiek|plPali: http://wklej.org/id/3215957/
16:53.27Palithat is ok
16:53.37Paliyou should have in "settings" icon of "cssu"
16:53.37rysiek|plPali: there is "About Community SSU" in Settings
16:53.40Paliopen it
16:53.46Paliwhat is there?
16:53.47DocScrutinizer05do you see the "about community ssu" button in settings?
16:54.02DocScrutinizer05nm
16:54.22rysiek|plCommunity SSU installed
16:54.36rysiek|plVersion: 21.2011.38-1Smaemo8
16:54.47rysiek|plFlavor: Stable
16:54.48DocScrutinizer05flavor: Stable
16:54.58Paliso cssu-stable is installed
16:55.01rysiek|plok
16:55.05rysiek|plwell then
16:55.05DocScrutinizer05the "S" in version gives it away
16:55.12rysiek|plsorry for the commotion
16:55.20rysiek|plhow do I upgrade to testing, then? :)
16:55.29Paliopen wiki page and click on testing
16:55.35rysiek|plsince I nede the newer pulseaudio (that's what I am actually after)
16:55.38rysiek|plok, doing that now
16:55.40rysiek|plthanks a lot
16:56.04DocScrutinizer05please report back as soon as something doesn't work "normal"
16:56.12rysiek|plokok
16:56.28rysiek|plI don't expect anything to work "normal" ;)
16:57.07rysiek|plpone update
16:57.09rysiek|pl*one
16:57.15rysiek|plMaemo 5 Community SSU
16:57.25DocScrutinizer05that's step 2 I guess
16:57.38rysiek|plfun!
16:57.40rysiek|pl:)
16:58.20Pali1. step open wiki and click install; 2. step install update via HAM; 3. step stick on the icon in menu "Commutity SSU enabler" 4. step update via HAM
16:58.45Paliyou probably need to skip 3. step if icon is not there
16:59.00Paliand after everything finish, reboot device
16:59.50DocScrutinizer053. step was the tricky stuff with "we need update done that can't get done since HAM gets closed" or somesuch?
17:01.03DocScrutinizer05I think this was the whole reason for having that "Commutity SSU enabler" app icon
17:01.08rysiek|plsure
17:02.20Palienabler is adding new repository into system with option to allow updating system packages
17:02.52DocScrutinizer05yep, and that can't fly without restarting apt/HAM so can't get done via postinst
17:03.06Paliand once new catalogue is added, it is converted to apt repository
17:03.06DocScrutinizer05iirc
17:03.15Paliwhich means apt-get update needs to be called
17:03.29rysiek|ploh ffs
17:03.35Paliand you cannot call apt-get update from posting deb package as apt database is locked
17:03.52Paliso it needs to be done manually after HAM is finish all dpkg operations
17:03.57rysiek|plthe n900 turned off mid-update because battery was dead (it's an old and bad battery) *even though* it was connected to power
17:04.00DocScrutinizer05:nod:
17:04.08rysiek|pllet's see if it's alive
17:04.58DocScrutinizer05did it regularly shut down, with breaking-glass-audio etc?
17:05.05rysiek|plyeah
17:05.09DocScrutinizer05ok then
17:05.22DocScrutinizer05no idea what that did to the update
17:06.42rysiek|plyeah, new puleaudio
17:06.51rysiek|pl*pulseaudio
17:06.51DocScrutinizer05still wonders if we couldn't have scheduled a alarmd event to take care about step 3
17:06.57rysiek|plall seems fine
17:07.39DocScrutinizer05rysiek|pl: ask Pali, maybe an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade is due now
17:08.05rysiek|plwill do it anyway
17:08.10DocScrutinizer05something you usually never should do
17:08.33DocScrutinizer05you might find that useful info:
17:08.36DocScrutinizer05~jrtools
17:08.36infobotmethinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
17:09.03rysiek|plthx
17:10.50Paliopening HAM again and continue should work
17:11.02Palicheck for updates, wait until finish and upgrade
17:11.50PaliDocScrutinizer05: last version of cssu-enabler in git forks from postinstall script, wait until apt finish and start that enabler
17:12.00rysiek|plit is glorious
17:12.01Paliplus it instruct user to close HAM
17:12.10rysiek|plall seems to work fine
17:12.13rysiek|plchecked for updates
17:12.15rysiek|plnone available
17:12.26DocScrutinizer05\o/
17:12.32Paliso it would be more automatical... but first we need new cssu release...
17:12.36DocScrutinizer05Pali: genius!
17:12.38DocScrutinizer05:-D
17:13.02Palirysiek|pl: check cssu version in "settings"
17:13.45DocScrutinizer05Pali: keep in mind it may take minutes until apt-worker thread quits after close of HAM
17:13.55DocScrutinizer05iirc
17:14.13DocScrutinizer05you want to keep user informed about that wait
17:14.39DocScrutinizer05"stay calm, the train will depart in a few minutes"
17:15.06DocScrutinizer05I think killing apt.worker thread is a poor idea
17:15.20rysiek|plPali: (...)1Tmaemo11
17:15.26rysiek|plFlavor: Testing
17:15.29rysiek|plwoo-hoo
17:15.31DocScrutinizer05loiks good
17:16.09DocScrutinizer05you should have portait mode and portrait lock icon in systray now
17:16.31DocScrutinizer05plus "lightning fast" HAM
17:16.56DocScrutinizer05plus a bazillion other less obvious bugfixes and improvements
17:17.49DocScrutinizer05slightly smarter battery capacity report in systray menu
17:18.20DocScrutinizer05yaddayadda
17:19.45DocScrutinizer05Pali: they locked my ticket X-P  - basically "wontfix": https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6309
17:20.48DocScrutinizer05rysiek|pl: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features  http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog
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17:23.01rysiek|plthx
17:24.15DocScrutinizer05rysiek|pl: priceless: gconftool-2 -s  /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/ctrl_backspace_in_tasknav -t int 5
17:24.24DocScrutinizer05see ~jrtools
17:26.14DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/media/MHD_demo_20090108_001.mp4
17:27.18DocScrutinizer05exactly same like alt+tab on regular desktop
17:28.50DocScrutinizer05just instead of alt+shift+tab for backwards rotation, you hold backspace and click the ctrl key, while for regular forward you hold ctrl and click bs
17:30.15DocScrutinizer05releasing ctrl first and then bs wil keep the taskswitcher open
17:30.45DocScrutinizer05releasing ctrl last will activate the window in focus (upper left)
17:38.22DocScrutinizer05Pali: there's a quirk in MHD hotkeys taskswitcher (/apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/ctrl_backspace_in_tasknav -t int 5): when I press Ctrl+BS and release BS then Ctrl key *before* the animation stopped, it doesn't foreground the focused window
17:40.26DocScrutinizer05the Ctrl key-up event should get stored in a buffer or whatever until animation finished. It gets flushed and discarded instead
17:42.59DocScrutinizer05weird: fast doubleclick of either BS versus Ctrl key reveals the BS button gets not buffered while Ctrl button *actually gets buffered as long as BS pressed*
17:44.56DocScrutinizer05I.E. when I do a fast triple click of CTRL while holding BS, the animation does 3 swaps even after last click done long ago. On triple click of BS key the animation stops after finishing one swap
17:45.39DocScrutinizer05weird
18:01.05DocScrutinizer05(ticket) tixxdz obfuscated stuff until total non-recognition, then threw the killer tantrum https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6309#issuecomment-313911276 "fix it elsewhere!"
18:04.11KotCzarny'our shitty software is the best and sticks to our shitty policy so break other tools to fit to our shitty software'
18:04.59DocScrutinizer05I'm temped to open yet another ticket "systemd maintainers insist in enforcing policies regarding usernames by simply denying service to certain names they personally don't like. Should leave the policy decision to the tools like useradd/adduser et al instead"
18:25.24KotCzarnyhow about a ticket named 'you trolls stop trashing linux ecosystem and go back to your shitty cockroach holes'
18:31.11DocScrutinizer05that's not the first ticket with wording to that effect
18:36.27DocScrutinizer05for a decent ticket: man adduser|less -j3 +"/the configurable regular expression"
18:37.54DocScrutinizer05THIS is the only valid policy regarding "syntactically" correct usernames, and that may change any time in each particular system, leaving old non-conforming but still valid usernames in password database
18:38.34DocScrutinizer05and even that is not really valid as username policy as soon as you got NFS or samba mounts, YP etc
18:41.10KotCzarny'not a problem, fix nfs, sambba, yp', problem solved
19:10.58jrgPali: I didn't get an icon for diablo
19:11.11jrgthe cssu enabler
19:11.20Palijrg: I do not know how cssu is working in diablo
19:11.25Paliprobably fully differently
19:11.30jrgoh ok.
19:11.53jrginstructions seem a bit similar
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19:16.32DocScrutinizer05(systemd) man useradd|less -j6 +'/On Debian, the only constraints are.*$'
19:19.49DocScrutinizer05where would I open a ticket against debian (systemd)?
19:21.22DocScrutinizer05Pali: http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_Community_Project
19:21.58DocScrutinizer05http://repository.maemo.org/community/dists/diablo/
19:22.06PaliDocScrutinizer05: ticket for debian is reporting via "reportbug" tool
19:22.15Pali/usr/bin/reportbug on debian system
19:22.26DocScrutinizer05damn, that requires a working debian system
19:22.34Palior
19:22.47Paliyou can send well-known formatted email to well-known adress
19:22.55DocScrutinizer05ummm
19:23.07Palihttps://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
19:23.15Palisee section: How to report a bug in Debian using email
19:24.37Palibasically send email to address submit@bugs.debian.org with first line in body "Package: package_name" and second line "Version: package_version", make one line empty and then write description
19:25.11DocScrutinizer05>>BUG: debian systemd 'user=' denies service to usernames that are perfectly valid according to `man useradd|less -j6 +'/On Debian, the only constraints are.*$' ` -- the 'syntax' check on name values for key "user=" should get removed completely since it doesn't serve any obvious purpose<<
19:26.08Palipackage_name would be: systemd
19:26.23Palilist of known systemd bugs in debian are at: https://bugs.debian.org/systemd
19:29.11Paliso if you want to report bug, just write email with those two lines... whole bug reporting system is working via emails, that web interface is just read-only view
19:35.45jrgyah i don't think i can flash in sierra
19:35.51jrgflasher doesn't work :/
19:37.11jrgRX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
19:37.15jrgheh
19:37.24jrgwow.. 2008 :)
19:41.50jrgare there cssu bins i an flash to the n810 instead of the original image?
19:42.15Palinope, cssu is OTA update
19:42.26jrgah ok. then i'm at a loss.
19:42.41jrginstalled the repo and don't have an icon or a way to start it. neither the app manager or apt see anything
19:42.41Paliyou flash original image and then you update CSSU from apt repository
19:42.47jrgis there maybe a script i need to run?
19:43.31jrgguess maybe the n810 repo is broken or something else is on the n810
19:44.08Palidiablo cssu install steps are different, there is no icon
19:44.15Paliread diablo wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_Community_Project#Upgrading_to_the_.22stable.22_version
19:45.12jrgi did that
19:45.26Paliflashing should work, just use regular linux machine, not some virtualisation from windows
19:46.00jrgRefresh the application manager (bottom right button) so it will see the packages in the community-updates domain and offer the update
19:46.03jrgi don't see the update
19:46.05Paliit is known that windows has usb enumeration and plus windows virtualisation is not so good...
19:46.30jrgeven tho i see the repo in app manager
19:49.07jrgah well. when i get the chance i'll flash and try the ota updat eagain and see what happens
19:49.20Palisomewhere around me should be one n810... but today I already failed to find it... otherwise I would try upgrade
19:49.45jrgEfforts to rewrite or open previously closed components of Diablo have been unsuccessful.
19:49.58PaliI found this thread: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96247 and wrote answer
19:50.01jrgthat's too bad
19:50.03Palimaybe could help you
19:58.25jrgnope. still no updates
19:58.34jrgnot sure what is going on with the thing
19:58.45jrgdon't see anything that allows me to update to cssu for diablo
20:02.20jrgoh
20:02.50jrgrepository.maemo.org/catalogue/dists/diablo/user/binary-armel/Packages.gz failed to refresh
20:09.54TheKitI remember talks about not completely reversed closed-source PulseAudio modules
20:10.05TheKitare they required for VoIP?
20:13.50jrgok. i give up i can't seem to update this thing lol
20:14.09jrgi'll flash it when i get a chance and yank a linux laptop out of a box and try it again some other day
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