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| 09:33.45 | sicelo | i have annoying random reboots on my n900. nothing useful shown by syslog |
| 09:35.12 | L29Ah | overclocking? |
| 09:35.29 | sicelo | what is a bit strange is that the device time gets reset, hinting at a loose battery. however i can confirm that the battery is sitting snug in it's place. also, the reboot takes place with the device untouched, laying on flat table |
| 09:35.35 | sicelo | no overclocking |
| 09:35.54 | KotCzarny | you've got a virus :P |
| 09:36.11 | L29Ah | the time thing is very strange |
| 09:36.27 | KotCzarny | yeah, it suggests loose power |
| 09:36.33 | L29Ah | how frequently do you see the resets? |
| 09:37.14 | sicelo | very randomly. few minutes ago it rebooted, as well as about 8 hours ago |
| 09:37.58 | L29Ah | i'd start logging the battery voltage every second or so |
| 09:39.31 | sicelo | will do, but i don't think it's a problem with the battery itself (besides being loose somehow if that's the case) |
| 09:41.48 | sicelo | anyone knows what relationship, if any, exists between KP53 and 2.6.28.10-cssu3 kernels? |
| 09:54.27 | L29Ah | does n900 support voice calls over 3g? |
| 09:54.55 | buZz | yes |
| 09:56.13 | sicelo | is there a phone that doesn't? |
| 09:58.18 | buZz | nokia 3310 |
| 09:59.00 | L29Ah | i remember i had to switch networks manually to be able to make calls when i was in .ua |
| 09:59.03 | sicelo | haha, should of said 'a phone with 3g that doesn't support voice calls over 3g |
| 09:59.27 | L29Ah | maybe they've messed something up on their side |
| 10:00.15 | sicelo | what could you do on 3G? just Internet? |
| 10:01.07 | L29Ah | yes |
| 10:02.25 | sicelo | yes most of the problem must been on your provider's side, although N900's modem is not necessairly the best around :( |
| 10:03.13 | sicelo | i'm facing opposite problem L29Ah - serious internet issues on 3g, so much that i've disabled it completely now |
| 10:03.57 | buZz | sicelo: oooooo ;) |
| 10:03.59 | L29Ah | works like a charm for me atm |
| 10:04.23 | sicelo | the operator is at fault because i get the same problem on a 3g stick, but N900 is worse. at least the dongle and SGS4 eventually get through |
| 10:06.00 | buZz | i wonder if you could just block the nonfunctioning cell towers |
| 10:06.10 | buZz | (what this all sounds like) |
| 10:08.59 | sicelo | 3.5G works fine. 3G absolutely not. i don't think it's cell tower problem because it is the same whether i remain in the same place or go somewhere else |
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| 10:10.41 | sicelo | i guess they are oversubscribing their equipment capabilities |
| 10:11.01 | sicelo | wild guess .. not sure if it would really cause the issue |
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| 13:19.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: there's no difference between 3.5G and 3G. 3.5G is just 3G with turbo engaged, much like EDGE for 2G makes it 2.5G |
| 13:20.46 | sicelo | yes, i am aware of that. |
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| 13:20.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | technically it's just a channel bundling, when the base station offers to the phone to use more channels in parallel |
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| 13:23.32 | sicelo | i wish i knew why exactly i have the problems i have ... but t's all going to just be conjecture unless i get a listening, interested ear at the ISP |
| 13:24.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: of course N900 can do 3G voice cals |
| 13:24.22 | sicelo | thankfully 2.5G serves most of my needs well 90% of the time |
| 13:24.50 | xes | ...but... since operators are removing 2g and 3g channels to install 4g devices... i would not expect much from edge and 3.5g |
| 13:25.04 | L29Ah | btw how do i check out the modem status? |
| 13:25.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, depends on where you are |
| 13:25.15 | sicelo | yes xes. sucks |
| 13:25.19 | L29Ah | like the used modulation and signal levels |
| 13:25.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | then there's also coexistence of LTE with UMTS and GSM on same band afaik |
| 13:26.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: there's an app "network monitor" or sth |
| 13:26.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | as good as it gets regarding service data |
| 13:26.48 | Sicelo009N | cellnet-info i think .. |
| 13:28.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo009N: your reboot problem sounds scary |
| 13:28.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you check the reboot reason logs? |
| 13:29.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | also make sure df -h isn't critical |
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| 13:30.18 | sicelo | i have 60% free rootfs, and nothing specific in syslog |
| 13:31.56 | sicelo | i do think somehow my battery contcts are at fault as that's the only thing explaining the time resets |
| 13:32.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | not syslog, those dsme logs |
| 13:32.38 | sicelo | where can i get them |
| 13:33.53 | Sicelo009N | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | 32vd TimeOut, yes |
| 13:35.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | watchdog timeout |
| 13:36.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25046492 I should clear that file |
| 13:36.30 | sicelo | 4 lines should be safe to paste, from my lifeguard_restarts |
| 13:37.00 | Sicelo009N | /usr/bin/ohm-session-agent: 1 |
| 13:37.02 | Sicelo009N | /usr/bin/camera-ui: 1 |
| 13:37.02 | Sicelo009N | /usr/bin/syncd: 1 |
| 13:37.02 | Sicelo009N | /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu: 2 |
| 13:39.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might want to run a htop sort:cpu% via ssh/WLAN, this will stall with most busy app on top on a reboot |
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| 13:42.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | syslog might not even catch the culprit. decent dmesg --follow (plus a few other options for getting all messages) will do a better job prolly |
| 13:42.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas messybox dmesg is fubar, like everything messybox |
| 13:43.24 | L29Ah | /usr/bin/camera-ui: 97 |
| 13:43.28 | L29Ah | hmm |
| 13:43.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | you also may want to check mtdoops |
| 13:43.42 | L29Ah | /sbin/mce --force-syslog: 1 |
| 13:43.48 | L29Ah | i wonder what are those numbers |
| 13:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | number of reboots? |
| 13:44.09 | sicelo | yes i thout about mtdoops .. no idea how to read the info there however |
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| 13:44.21 | L29Ah | how does it correspond reboots with concrete binaries? |
| 13:44.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 13:44.25 | infobot | pkg is probably http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 13:44.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: task that caused reboot I guess |
| 13:45.01 | L29Ah | how can a task cause a reboot? |
| 13:45.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | via watchdog timeout? |
| 13:45.28 | KotCzarny | hogging resources? |
| 13:45.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | when the task stalls (busyloops, hangs) in a kernel syscall |
| 13:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | or whatever |
| 13:45.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | not entirely sure |
| 13:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | never looked into details# |
| 13:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/sp-oops-extract/ |
| 13:50.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sp-oops-extract /dev/mtd2 |
| 13:51.35 | Sicelo009N | installing. is output human readable? |
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| 13:52.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | sort of |
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| 13:52.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me what's >>[ 7497.347198] Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception<< |
| 13:53.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25046580 |
| 13:53.34 | Sicelo009N | haha, i have a couple of those lines |
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| 13:55.42 | L29Ah | You don't have permission to access /packages/view/sp-oops-extract/ on this server. |
| 13:55.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | also timestamps are not really useful |
| 13:56.10 | Sicelo009N | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | err wut? blacklisted? |
| 13:56.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | dev/mtd{1,2} survive flashing, yes |
| 13:57.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | so does dev/mtd4 |
| 13:57.10 | sicelo | ok |
| 13:57.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 13:57.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | dev/mtd0 survices normal falshing, not coldflashing |
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| 13:59.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | dev/mtd4 initfs always bugged me due to its complete uselessness |
| 14:00.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: couldn't we patch 0xffff to concat dev/mtd4 into dev/mtd3 kernel, to make it twice as large? |
| 14:01.18 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: no |
| 14:01.29 | Pali | partition layout is hardcoded in NOLO |
| 14:01.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *guess* kernel itself doesn't mind at all how long it is and if it extends over "partition" borders |
| 14:01.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | WAAAH kill NOLO!!! |
| 14:02.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | friggin pile of shit |
| 14:02.14 | Pali | but... in CAL is stored partition layout too |
| 14:02.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O oooooh |
| 14:02.39 | Pali | and IIRC NOLO first use partition layout from CAL and then fallback to hardcoded values |
| 14:02.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes sense |
| 14:02.54 | Pali | I used this "hack" when debugged in qemu |
| 14:03.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you know a keyword to search for in CAL? |
| 14:03.15 | Pali | so I was able to put larger zImage into nand |
| 14:03.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly my plan :-) |
| 14:03.27 | Pali | problem is: format of partition layout is undocumented |
| 14:03.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 14:03.50 | Pali | nokia released only tool called "qflasher" which prepares MTD dump for qemu |
| 14:03.58 | Pali | and fill it also with CAL data |
| 14:04.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooooh |
| 14:04.09 | Pali | and one parameter for qflasher is size of each partition |
| 14:04.20 | Pali | tool is of course closed, i386 only |
| 14:04.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | F U NOKIA!!!! |
| 14:04.29 | Pali | and probably lost... |
| 14:04.39 | Pali | somewhere I have copy on my hdd |
| 14:04.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | err lost? |
| 14:04.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | please share! |
| 14:04.49 | Pali | not available on internet anymore |
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| 14:08.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/08/plasma-desktopGy8317.png ;-D |
| 14:10.25 | xes | maybe qflasher is the same of meego? http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/sower.yandex.ru/mirrors/meego/releases/1.2.0/repos/non-oss/source |
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| 14:12.45 | xes | non-oss... ops |
| 14:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/dirsnapshot2.png |
| 14:16.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: well, it still has a src.rpm, which stalls so far for me on opening it |
| 14:17.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | URL: ftp://sower.yandex.ru/mirrors/meego/releases/1.2.0/repos/non-oss/source/qflasher-21-1.1.src.rpm The requested operation could not be completed Connection to Server Refused |
| 14:17.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | rogue content? |
| 14:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/sower.yandex.ru/mirrors/meego/releases/1.2.0/repos/non-oss/source/qflasher-21-1.1.src.rpm (synthesized URL) Requested page not found. |
| 14:19.59 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: yep for me too... but mmnt caches contents not always available. We should retry.. i think it is the first time i can see those files |
| 14:21.29 | xes | Pali: maybe you already have those files? ^^ |
| 14:23.29 | Pali | I have these files: qflasher-21-1.2.i586.rpm qflasher-21-1.1.src.rpm qflasher-17-1.3.src.rpm |
| 14:23.44 | Pali | but *src* files contains only spec file and ELF binary |
| 14:23.46 | Pali | no source code |
| 14:23.55 | Pali | sources were never released |
| 14:25.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O wow how nasty |
| 14:28.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? >> ÐаÑиÑа Ð¾Ñ Ð²Ð¸ÑÑÑа «WannaCry»: пÑÑмÑе ÑÑÑлки на заплаÑки Ð¾Ñ Microsoft, ÑкÑÐ¸Ð¿Ñ Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð¿ÑовеÑки локалÑной ÑеÑи на ÑÑзвимоÑÑÑ<< ? |
| 14:32.33 | xes | ads? |
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| 14:42.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea, I just see WannaCry |
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| 16:21.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6309 |
| 16:22.01 | KotCzarny | hehe, you are now officially marked as a troll by poetterheads |
| 16:23.51 | Pali | poettering probably do not know about getpwnam() function |
| 16:25.01 | Pali | for converting username to uid |
| 16:26.05 | Pali | I bet that ticket would be locked and discussion about it forbidden |
| 16:30.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I give a shit about what tags poetterheads give me ;-) |
| 16:31.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: feel free to comment on that ticket and mention getpwnam() function as the only "sytaxcheck" needed for the parameter value |
| 16:34.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | note: >>The getpwnam_r() and getpwuid_r() functions are thread-safe.<< |
| 16:40.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I guess poettering already does that, just he added a nonsensical syntax check for the username before, and - even worse - he makes systemd just ignore the whole parameter if that syntax check fails |
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| 18:48.49 | KotCzarny | doc, your ticket is already closed as 'fixed' ;) |
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| 19:04.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 19:07.47 | Wizzup | well, in their defence, they made a PR with the fix |
| 19:07.56 | Wizzup | the PR just hasn't been merged yet, so perhaps closing the issue is a bit weird |
| 19:08.32 | L29Ah | i wonder if it will be silently merged w/o a word from lennart |
| 19:09.01 | KotCzarny | or unmerged some time after ? ;) |
| 19:09.15 | KotCzarny | or fixed the fix |
| 19:09.25 | L29Ah | nah, he's not /that/ asshole |
| 19:09.37 | KotCzarny | haha |
| 19:09.53 | KotCzarny | that's what dead people say when someone stupid destroys whole civilisation |
| 19:10.30 | L29Ah | he's a fulltime redhat employee, no? |
| 19:11.03 | L29Ah | i guess this would be noticed by a few enterprise customers |
| 19:20.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already wonder how long until RH bosses will kick Lennart's arse |
| 19:21.35 | sicelo | is he not a boss? |
| 19:22.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, the evil "how to achive world dominion" plan made up by RH a decade ago already is one thing, poor coding skills and bug handling is a whole different story |
| 19:22.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lennart is not RH boss afaik, not at all |
| 19:26.57 | Wizzup | RH mostly doesn't like lennie. |
| 19:27.18 | Wizzup | but surely we have better things to do with -our- time than worry about lennie |
| 19:38.02 | sicelo | indeed |
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| 20:15.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not worried about that person, rather about the general direction the linux world gets pushed to, and by whom and why |
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