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| 07:56.49 | halftux | sicelo: irssi from repos is working now as it should. Perl is working and ssl too. Conected with "/connect -ssl_verify -ssl_capath /etc/certs/common-ca/ chat.freenode.net 6697 well done going to vote now :) |
| 08:06.57 | bencoh | :) |
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| 08:13.28 | sicelo | that's very much for the handholding! |
| 08:13.33 | sicelo | *thanks |
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| 08:24.08 | halftux | no problem ... hope to see more updated packages ;) |
| 08:30.49 | Vajb | thx sicelo and halftux, gonna install it soon |
| 08:31.10 | Vajb | btw is anyone running maemo on rasberry pi yet? |
| 08:31.25 | Vajb | asking coz my friend has it |
| 08:31.38 | Vajb | i mean pi |
| 08:31.39 | KotCzarny | vajb: no, but procedure is the same as for mainline linux |
| 08:31.51 | KotCzarny | ie. whatever fmg does with his allwinner tablet |
| 08:31.58 | KotCzarny | it's just linux |
| 08:32.11 | Vajb | ok thx KotCzarny |
| 08:32.39 | KotCzarny | we are limited on n900 by old kernel/libs |
| 08:32.44 | KotCzarny | rpi should be newer enough |
| 08:34.15 | KotCzarny | also, it's not 'running maemo', but porting h-d and friends |
| 08:41.40 | sicelo | by the way, where does one edit their maemo.org profiles (not tmo). i remember it appears as a 'band' on one of the pages, but can't see it now |
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| 08:47.20 | KotCzarny | https://garage.maemo.org/account/ this? |
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| 08:47.54 | KotCzarny | garage and m.o accounts are connected i think |
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| 08:51.08 | sicelo | not that :) |
| 08:56.07 | KotCzarny | the only other page i know is user profile on t.m.o |
| 08:56.37 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/usercp.php |
| 08:56.53 | KotCzarny | don't remember seeing any other profile page |
| 08:59.14 | KotCzarny | well, w.m.o is the other one but that is separate from m.o |
| 09:01.02 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/profile/edit/ |
| 09:01.08 | KotCzarny | this one maybe? |
| 09:01.43 | KotCzarny | but i think it's using same data as the garage one |
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| 09:52.01 | sicelo | yes thanks KotCzarny. that last one :) |
| 09:52.12 | KotCzarny | google power! |
| 09:52.16 | sicelo | it's not same as garage |
| 09:56.43 | sixwheeledbeast^ | They are all separate sites tied together with midgard. hence multiple a/c pages |
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| 10:18.35 | Vajb | back with the new version. Perl seems to work since errors are gone. |
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| 11:02.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: xes: http://maemo.org/profile/publish/ http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/04/plasma-desktopDl8317.png http://static.maemo.org:81/stock-icons/16x16/stock_mark.png 404 |
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| 11:47.08 | sicelo | sgx hangups on my N900 - i forgot now what needs to be done |
| 11:47.51 | KotCzarny | reboot? |
| 11:48.21 | sicelo | it reoccurs randomly |
| 11:48.48 | sicelo | i'll look at it later .. but i remember that there are some few things to do |
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| 12:02.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems to recall there was an election pending. Any news on that? |
| 12:09.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, it's already in my email. I think with that hush noise you make about elections (nothing at all in IRC about it) there will be very poor electorate contribution |
| 12:11.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: who of council manages the elections? I hope you know, and got credentials for, http://maemo.org/vote/admin.php |
| 12:13.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: I'm wondering since I seem to recall I read that >>for election you need some knowhow about database management<< OWTTE. You don't, the frontend makes it a matter of clicking a button to count the votes and publish the results |
| 12:18.30 | bencoh | is that council election? |
| 12:20.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:20.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and ERR *COUGHCOUGH* |
| 12:20.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | A full list of candidates and their reasons for running can be found at: |
| 12:20.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you got no token yet, just proceed to http://maemo.org/vote/vote.php?election_id=48 and click "Get Token" |
| 12:23.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | the non-existing wiki page with the woefully missing "full list of candidates and their reasons for running" is pathetic though |
| 12:25.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least there's http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q2_2017 |
| 12:41.54 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 12:44.16 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer05 -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | DONT FORGET TO VOTE FOR COUNCIL! https://maemo.org/vote/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~lf ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 12:44.34 | KotCzarny | add ~flashing to topic |
| 12:45.07 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 12:45.26 | juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, I created the election |
| 12:45.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: hi! :-) |
| 12:45.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | everything fine? |
| 12:45.41 | juiceme | :) |
| 12:46.10 | juiceme | about the db, well yes there are some thing you need to do manually, still... |
| 12:46.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, not back when I managed a few elections |
| 12:46.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | except for adding members that fell through the electorate list generation filter |
| 12:47.02 | juiceme | for example the updating from midgard to elections database needs to be done manually (well it's a script but anyways) |
| 12:47.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for that there's also a frontend in admin |
| 12:47.23 | juiceme | yes, that's the reason, update/remove people |
| 12:47.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, that script gets triggered from admin frontend |
| 12:47.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | adding/removing members also has a frontend |
| 12:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | though a clumsy one |
| 12:48.18 | juiceme | since there are few who have removed their accounts and don't want to be part of maemo any longer, but their accounts still pop up to db from time to time |
| 12:48.36 | juiceme | it's a bug in the accounts management |
| 12:48.58 | juiceme | also, to check if there are people who's e karma is not correct, to tweak that |
| 12:49.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's a pita mainly because of /usr/local/bin/garage_sync.sh |
| 12:49.34 | juiceme | but you are correct, it's *mostly* doable from the webfront |
| 12:49.58 | juiceme | yes, the garagesync is amazingly slow |
| 12:50.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't even delete accounts, for reasons of "failsafe" |
| 12:50.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ever* |
| 12:50.24 | juiceme | yep |
| 12:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | workaround: change email addr to nobody@localhost or sth |
| 12:51.09 | juiceme | mmh yes, that could work ok. |
| 12:52.33 | juiceme | and regarding the 'get token email' to fox if not got it... well that works if your karma is correct, else it doesn't :) |
| 12:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | in tough cases (when users insist on their data getting deleted) ask warfare |
| 12:52.51 | juiceme | it only sends you mail if it already did |
| 12:53.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:53.46 | sicelo | by the way, the system sent me two voting tokens |
| 12:53.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and karma calculation is prolly still broken and stall at what it been 4 years ago |
| 12:54.06 | juiceme | sicelo huh?? |
| 12:54.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: that's ODD |
| 12:54.19 | KotCzarny | rigged! |
| 12:54.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | to same email addr? |
| 12:54.26 | sicelo | haha |
| 12:54.26 | sicelo | :D |
| 12:54.29 | juiceme | have you registered 2 accounts? |
| 12:54.57 | sicelo | KotCzarny: i couldn't vote for myself. not ethical. nor did i use both tokens. just used one |
| 12:55.04 | juiceme | you really got 2 *different* tokens? or same mail twice? |
| 12:55.06 | KotCzarny | just kidding, you know |
| 12:55.29 | sicelo | juiceme: no, just 1 one account. could be that my account was renamed (from qhubekela to sicelo) |
| 12:55.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | same email addr? |
| 12:55.53 | sicelo | yes, same email addy, different tokens |
| 12:56.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | BAAAD |
| 12:56.05 | juiceme | yes, but that's a kind of loophole there that'd enable someone to vote n times... just register many email addresses. |
| 12:56.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | now THAT is an issue only possioble to tackle on DB SQL level |
| 12:56.29 | juiceme | sicelo ahh, that could be the reason. |
| 12:56.37 | sicelo | juiceme: i can give you my address if it would hlep |
| 12:56.39 | sicelo | *help |
| 12:56.41 | juiceme | had you requested a rename ? |
| 12:57.02 | juiceme | please do, I'll fix 'em databases |
| 12:57.06 | sicelo | yes i did. i don't remember exactly when now, but probably last 2 years |
| 12:57.48 | sicelo | juiceme: absicsz with the obvious domain :p |
| 12:57.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | the "new account" propagated to the other system via garage_sync.sh, but it didn't delete the "old account" |
| 12:57.51 | juiceme | OK. this the 1st time you got 2 tokens? |
| 12:58.06 | juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, indeed |
| 12:58.53 | sicelo | yes, that's the crazy thing. 1st time only now. last elections i got only one |
| 12:58.53 | juiceme | anyway, i've got to run now, to catch a train home. cya! |
| 12:58.53 | sicelo | o/ |
| 12:58.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should run a SQL query to spot all duplicate email addr |
| 12:59.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly most of them are artifacts |
| 12:59.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | delete the older of both records then |
| 13:01.07 | sicelo | ... making sure i don't lose anything :) |
| 13:01.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: there's nothing wrong with voting for yourself. After all whom else would you vote for, or would you not be allowed to vote at all? |
| 13:02.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least I'm pretty sure everybody from Lincoln to Putin vote for themselves |
| 13:02.50 | sicelo | i wouldn't. just me |
| 13:03.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually NOT voting for yourself is like cheating on your own candidacy |
| 13:03.15 | sicelo | but yes i wouldn't find fault with someone else doing it. it's absolutely ok |
| 13:03.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, when you run for the job, you should vote for yourself since you want it |
| 13:04.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you'd prefer to NOT get the job, despite throwing your hat in |
| 13:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | this could be the first council election with more candidates than votes X-P |
| 13:06.04 | sicelo | at least you will vote :) |
| 13:06.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're sure? ;-P |
| 13:07.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I already did |
| 13:08.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: if you want to demonstrate dedication to the duty, you could fix http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q2_2017/Candidate_declarations - genuine council duty |
| 13:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a nice tradition that the coming council's candidates take care though |
| 13:20.02 | sicelo | will look at it |
| 13:35.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's basically a simple C&P job |
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| 13:42.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, that took me a while to find: http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&from=Community_Council&namespace=0 |
| 13:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway here's precedence http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q2_2014/Candidate_declarations |
| 13:45.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | "funny" stuff: http://maemo.org/community/ click "maemo wiki" -> http://maemo.org/community/maemo_wiki/index/ WTF?! |
| 13:46.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 13:55.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly muses about how much longer and for what we need that midgard stuff. Maybe eventually not a migration to midgard2 (considered too difficult even by inventors and maintainers of midgard and maemo-midgard/asgard) but a mere migration to a flat web presence without any friggin CMS behind was OK? |
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| 13:56.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohnoes, the whole autobuilder stuff still needs it |
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| 14:18.52 | jrg | alrighty. let me see about getting this n810 wiped |
| 14:19.12 | jrg | was there much work done to diablo after the n900? probably not i'm guessing? better to just wipe it and return it to stock? |
| 14:19.42 | KotCzarny | probably power kernel for n8x0 |
| 14:20.17 | bencoh | and cssu for diablo |
| 14:20.28 | KotCzarny | right. |
| 14:20.43 | KotCzarny | and of course oscp |
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| 14:31.47 | jrg | KotCzarny: i can do this with osx/macos? |
| 14:31.52 | jrg | ~flasker |
| 14:31.54 | jrg | oops |
| 14:31.57 | jrg | ~flasher |
| 14:31.57 | infobot | refer ~flashing; http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz; list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 14:32.42 | KotCzarny | likely |
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| 14:33.32 | jrg | Oops! That page canât be found. |
| 14:33.37 | jrg | for chakra-project.org |
| 14:34.59 | jrg | http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/ |
| 14:35.10 | jrg | 32bit dmg there. wonder if that will do it |
| 14:35.58 | KotCzarny | 3.12 |
| 14:36.03 | KotCzarny | i think it's wrong |
| 14:36.06 | KotCzarny | you need 3.5 |
| 14:36.22 | KotCzarny | ah, it's there too |
| 14:37.21 | jrg | yah but doesn't install in sierra |
| 14:37.43 | jrg | don't have another laptop available either. ah well. guess i'll just save this for another day heh |
| 14:37.44 | KotCzarny | dig out some old x86 laptop? |
| 14:37.55 | jrg | yah. i have one. but it's packed. moving soon. |
| 14:37.59 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 14:38.03 | jrg | not that important. figured i'd just get the n810 going again |
| 14:38.14 | jrg | figured i might be able to do it on a mac but guess not on sierra |
| 14:38.36 | KotCzarny | borrow it from some cute neighbour? |
| 14:38.38 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 14:39.13 | jrg | my girlfriend might get mad about that haha |
| 14:39.30 | KotCzarny | oh well |
| 14:39.36 | bencoh | it probably doesn't work because of libusb (or some other conflicting lib) |
| 14:39.43 | jrg | yah. not that big of a deal. i'll save it for another day. |
| 14:39.43 | KotCzarny | bencoh: mac |
| 14:39.45 | jrg | bencoh: it won't even install |
| 14:39.49 | bencoh | KotCzarny: still |
| 14:39.53 | bencoh | oh |
| 14:39.54 | jrg | figured it was because sierra doesn't support 32bit anymore? |
| 14:39.57 | bencoh | well then extract it :) |
| 14:39.59 | bencoh | hmm maybe |
| 14:40.07 | bencoh | then you're out of luck |
| 14:40.14 | jrg | for now. i can work on it later. |
| 14:40.23 | bencoh | or ... you can try 0xffff, but I don't know if it's supposed to have support for n8x0 |
| 14:40.27 | KotCzarny | yeah, grab the images, few howtos, tools |
| 14:40.32 | jrg | just figured i'd get it out the way. i have an install on the nand but it just turns off for no apparent reason heh |
| 14:40.43 | KotCzarny | bad battery? |
| 14:40.46 | jrg | no |
| 14:40.48 | jrg | battery is fine |
| 14:40.55 | bencoh | jrg: you could run linux in a vm btw |
| 14:41.00 | jrg | boots. see the screen.. turns off |
| 14:41.08 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 14:41.27 | jrg | bencoh: yah i suppose. bit too much work to get my n810 working. i have a linux laptop packed away somewhere. some old dell i keep around for stuff like this. |
| 14:41.41 | bencoh | :) |
| 14:41.42 | jrg | for those odd moments where you actually need to use an optical disc heh |
| 14:42.21 | jrg | i just happened to bump into the n810 while packing and it still worked. i remembered it having this turning off problem but i had a N900 by then and didn't care about the n810 very much |
| 14:42.41 | jrg | i was actually going to just mount it in the car for carman heh |
| 14:43.07 | jrg | i have a bt obd2 reader |
| 14:43.25 | jrg | so i was going to perm mount it... too bad the maps apps for nokia always sucked so bad. otherwise i might use it as a gps as well |
| 14:44.04 | jrg | i can't remember the one that nokia made that came with the n810 but it was absolutely awful. then they made HERE which was / is totally awesome but i highly doubt they ever made it for n810 and if they did i'm sure it's discontinued |
| 14:46.25 | sicelo | HERE does not even work with N900 |
| 14:47.13 | bencoh | apparently maemomapper is supposed to work on diablo |
| 14:49.41 | jrg | don't remember actually using maemomapper.... if i ever get this n810 back in action i may try it out. tbh i just want it for carman if that's even available anymore for codes if i ever receive any |
| 14:50.51 | jrg | not sure if nokia or MS still owns HERE or whatever they call it nowadays but i still use that on my iphone. it's awesome. |
| 14:51.12 | jrg | too bad the N900 didn't originally come with it.. it came with ovi maps which was absolutely awful |
| 14:51.40 | sicelo | HERE is just newer version of Ovi Maps. |
| 14:51.51 | jrg | sicelo: didn't seem like one heh |
| 14:52.40 | jrg | ovi maps was awful and not intuitive.. here was. maybe the base was but the ux was completely redone to not suck so badly ... getting simple directions was an absolute task with ovi maps |
| 14:52.46 | sicelo | for codes, n900 also has pyobd ... no idea if it was packaged for n8x0, but should not take a lot to get working |
| 14:56.11 | jrg | ah. i'll check it out once i'm done moving and can get this n810 back in action |
| 14:56.30 | jrg | but i love here. i typically use it before anything else. |
| 14:56.36 | jrg | it also gives camera warnings. something most apps don't do |
| 15:01.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders creating a live linux ISO with flasher and all firmware images |
| 15:02.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | fix this issue for good, for the forseeable future as long as there are USB ports to boot from, on X86 machines |
| 15:03.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | terible overkill, data volume wise, but who gives a f* in times of 400Mbit/s downlinks |
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| 17:36.02 | halftux | btw there is a small live flasher image on tmo for maemo devices without firmware images and in the same thread there is a live image for N900 with firmware image included http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=99093 |
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| 18:08.31 | buZz | omg so exciting |
| 18:08.42 | buZz | i'm gonna put a simcard into a n900 for first time in my life |
| 18:08.43 | buZz | :P |
| 18:08.50 | buZz | so weird, a pda that can call |
| 18:09.29 | buZz | what will they think of next |
| 18:09.39 | Juesto | lol |
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| 18:16.36 | buZz | can anyone tell me where 'airplane mode' or whatever the equivalent is in Maemo? :D |
| 18:16.50 | KotCzarny | press power button and select offline |
| 18:17.03 | buZz | ah sweet, tnx |
| 18:17.20 | buZz | dont need to drain battery with pointless reporting of location to celltowers 24/7 |
| 18:18.34 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Alternatively switch radio off to keep wifi enabled |
| 18:18.45 | buZz | sixwheeledbeast^: how? |
| 18:18.58 | sixwheeledbeast^ | ~phone-control |
| 18:19.09 | sixwheeledbeast^ | ~phonecontrol |
| 18:19.09 | infobot | i heard phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
| 18:19.40 | sixwheeledbeast^ | https://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Disable_cellular_radio |
| 18:19.48 | sixwheeledbeast^ | like that |
| 18:21.55 | buZz | hmhm, cool :) |
| 18:21.57 | buZz | ty |
| 18:55.07 | NeKit | I found out that if hd_comp_mgr_is_portrait() in mb/hd-comp-mgr.h returns true on start when X is in portrait mode, it results in black screen, but can't understand what exactly happens (faking the function to return false makes it render properly) |
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| 19:06.27 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: that missing png is not present in any folder |
| 19:06.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly irrelevant |
| 19:08.34 | buZz | maybe it cant be seen, for its a ... IR elephant |
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| 19:39.57 | KotCzarny | yay! |
| 19:40.05 | KotCzarny | oops. wrong chan |
| 19:47.56 | buZz | :D |
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| 20:16.42 | KotCzarny | cute: http://pmp-p.ddns.net/paste/dev/poettering-linux.png |
| 20:28.49 | Wizzup | :D |
| 20:36.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAH! |
| 20:38.23 | APic | ð |
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