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| 00:48.12 | err0r3o3 | got a sencond n900 today, so i have an test device now =) |
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| 02:04.12 | sunshavi | Hi freemangordon |
| 02:04.44 | sunshavi | I have had jessie until last week (now on strech) |
| 02:17.45 | sunshavi | http://termbin.com/tlua |
| 02:20.58 | sunshavi | kotczarny shared his n900 chroot with me (I installed on the orange pi ). With that chroot I was able of compiling more than one package (for n900). So the best bet could be something similar for devuan. Perhaps We could prepare a devuan-chroot for orange pi. Then anyone with an h3 device (4 cores) could compile more than one package. That way we could make a list of pendant packages and more than one person could compile it. |
| 02:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | the idea was to keep the repos, nit to rebuild them |
| 02:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | not* |
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| 06:25.00 | sicelo | cssu effectively dead - sad news, but understandable |
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| 06:31.00 | bencoh | sicelo: uh? |
| 06:31.57 | sicelo | see fmg comment above |
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| 06:32.56 | bencoh | ah |
| 06:34.58 | sicelo | i would be happy with a non-maemo n900 that can do calls and good power management |
| 06:36.58 | sicelo | i havent run my n900 with a new kernel since the 3.16 days .. i should test how well things work currently |
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| 06:44.37 | bencoh | sicelo: there are several aspects here: maemo (as community and/or as a platform) and n900 |
| 06:45.54 | sicelo | i understand fmg to refer to maemo as a platform |
| 06:55.10 | sicelo | unfortunately, i dont have any better ideas to keep maemo alive or up-to-date |
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| 09:20.37 | Gamera | what do people do with the n900 these days |
| 09:20.47 | Gamera | what is the MOST useful thing users in here do with theirs |
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| 09:24.24 | deepy\lettuce | phonecalls |
| 09:24.30 | bencoh | tbh I don't do much with it. phone/sms, marble (gps navigation), irc (remote irssi over ssh), a few pictures here and there (fcamera/stock camera), music playback (cmus) |
| 09:24.47 | Gamera | I couldn't keep it as my main device |
| 09:25.04 | bencoh | because of the web browser? |
| 09:25.19 | Gamera | because of a lot of apps that it couldn't do |
| 09:26.13 | Gamera | and yeah browsing the web is a sort of important aspect of a phone |
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| 09:26.40 | Gamera | I've had to put up with a normal android keyboard, and the "linux lite" aspect of android |
| 09:26.45 | Gamera | which I don't give a fuck about to be honest. |
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| 09:27.49 | Gamera | I have two of these, with no simcards, but wondering what I can do with them |
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| 09:29.12 | deepy\lettuce | You can sell them |
| 09:29.37 | Gamera | I don't relaly bother selling things |
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| 10:12.52 | sicelo | mine is my main device. i do everything with it |
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| 10:26.16 | sixwheeledbeast^ | same here. |
| 10:31.00 | xes | "i do everything"... sadly it stops in front of pages like: https://www.kernel.org |
| 10:31.58 | Wizzup | you can run mainline linux and xfce on it |
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| 10:42.03 | sicelo | true xes. 'everything' in a relative way :-) |
| 10:42.19 | sicelo | wut! my n900 opened that one :-/ |
| 10:44.36 | sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:06.30 | Sicelo009N | unless i missed something? |
| 11:07.25 | bencoh | I get a "connection interrupted" |
| 11:07.35 | bencoh | because of TLS I suppose |
| 11:08.27 | bencoh | Sicelo009N: I wonder if you're not behind a proxy that mitm ssl connections as well |
| 11:08.40 | bencoh | you should check certificate |
| 11:11.31 | sicelo | ah yes i was at that time |
| 11:11.47 | sicelo | dman work network |
| 11:11.51 | bencoh | :) |
| 11:12.00 | bencoh | unfortunately that's quite common |
| 11:12.20 | sicelo | but' it's still working even on my mobile operator |
| 11:12.46 | bencoh | which reminds me ... we could actually do something about that tls issue without backporting a recent nss into browserd |
| 11:13.18 | bencoh | one could use a local embedded proxy (running on n900) |
| 11:13.31 | bencoh | built against a recent libssl |
| 11:15.00 | Sicelo009N | it is definitely opening on mine somehow and now i'm ont behind any mitm (unless now my cell-op is doing the mitm) |
| 11:15.17 | Sicelo009N | or let me clear cache |
| 11:16.26 | Sicelo009N | cert is Gandhi |
| 11:20.40 | sicelo | that's a nice idea though bencoh |
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| 11:22.45 | sicelo | well my n900 still opens it after clearing cache. i give up |
| 11:24.41 | bencoh | interesting |
| 11:30.04 | err0r3o3 | i h |
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| 11:31.05 | err0r3o3 | i use one as main cellphone, and another one as "terminal" |
| 11:31.55 | err0r3o3 | with debian 3G data and ssh |
| 11:34.40 | sicelo | (will reboot n900 and test again) |
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| 11:38.19 | err0r3o3 | https://kernel.org I get a "connection interrupted" too |
| 11:38.41 | err0r3o3 | https://www.kernel.org works |
| 11:39.52 | sicelo | ah, could be that then. |
| 11:41.14 | bencoh | interesting |
| 11:41.20 | err0r3o3 | but cant download anything because ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap |
| 11:41.26 | sicelo | tried it on pc .. kernel.org redirects to www.kernel.org seemingly |
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| 12:22.38 | err0r3o3 | someone running arch linux on n900? |
| 12:25.10 | err0r3o3 | spent the last week to get it working and failed.. |
| 12:25.41 | err0r3o3 | u-boot doesn't find my uImage |
| 12:27.41 | Gamera | what would arch linux do for the n900 |
| 12:28.03 | buZz | rape and pilage |
| 12:28.07 | buZz | its arrrrrrrrrrrrg linux |
| 12:29.07 | Gamera | I run that as my main OS |
| 12:29.14 | Gamera | just because the other ones suck more than it does |
| 12:29.31 | Gamera | there seem to be fewer rules |
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| 12:31.02 | err0r3o3 | pacman , my package manager of joice |
| 12:31.23 | err0r3o3 | the kiss principle |
| 12:31.34 | Gamera | arch doesn't do that |
| 12:31.52 | err0r3o3 | its just my favorite linux distro |
| 12:41.06 | sicelo | haha, 'rape and pilage' :-D |
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| 13:40.25 | Gamera | as much as a linux distro can do that |
| 13:40.27 | Gamera | which is none at all |
| 13:45.36 | bencoh | iirc some people eventually succeeded in running arch on n900 |
| 13:46.03 | bencoh | and uboot unable to find uImage doesn't sound like such a big issue |
| 13:50.46 | Wizzup | err0r3o3_: pacman is KISS? weird |
| 13:50.59 | Wizzup | either way, you change your uboot menu? |
| 13:56.42 | Gamera | nothing about arch is kiss |
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| 14:42.25 | parazyd | arch linux? i thought it was quite simple |
| 14:42.48 | NeKit | <Wizzup> you can run mainline linux and xfce on it - on N900? |
| 14:43.40 | parazyd | freemangordon, Wizzup: tomorrow we have a video conference with the devuan devs |
| 14:43.53 | parazyd | i hope to figure out the shit |
| 14:44.00 | parazyd | (finally) |
| 14:44.17 | Wizzup | Yay |
| 14:44.27 | Wizzup | NeKit: why not |
| 14:44.51 | parazyd | you're welcome to join in |
| 14:44.58 | parazyd | 22:30 our time |
| 14:45.26 | parazyd | 20:30 utc |
| 14:45.27 | Wizzup | I'm too sick, infection of the lungs |
| 14:45.39 | parazyd | oh crap |
| 14:48.22 | err0r3o3_ | yes i changed my u-boot menu and updated it, also run sdboot doesn't work.. |
| 14:49.44 | err0r3o3_ | i compiled the stable kernel from kernel.org with dts |
| 14:50.07 | err0r3o3_ | should i better try the 4.9 from pali? |
| 14:52.37 | bencoh | yes |
| 14:52.55 | bencoh | this is completely unrelated to uboot not finding it, but still |
| 15:04.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | note that N900-dts in mainline is basically unmaintained since nobody but freemangordon and/or pali will do anything about it afaik |
| 15:05.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | so Pali's version of kernel is better any day |
| 15:05.56 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: and sre |
| 15:06.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | he still looks into N900? |
| 15:07.09 | bencoh | afaict he still posts / acks stuff related to n900 hw to lkml |
| 15:07.42 | bencoh | https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/3/4/82 for instance |
| 15:07.55 | bencoh | (and pavel, too) |
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| 15:58.20 | xes | anyone using riot? https://about.riot.im https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web |
| 16:13.18 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: actually dts in mainline is maintained |
| 16:13.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | by you and pali, I guess :-) |
| 16:14.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ot saying that's bad, just that nobody else takes care, afaik |
| 16:14.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | not* |
| 16:14.26 | freemangordon | wrong, see https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts |
| 16:14.37 | freemangordon | it is not only me and pali |
| 16:14.59 | freemangordon | sebastian and pavel are doing most of the work on it lately |
| 16:15.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, nope, Linus Torvalds? I guess I have no idea what I'm looking at |
| 16:15.27 | freemangordon | hmm? |
| 16:15.41 | freemangordon | this is today's linux master |
| 16:15.48 | freemangordon | branch |
| 16:15.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts?id=5c73cc4b6c83e88863a5de869cc5df3b913aef4a |
| 16:16.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | committer: Linus |
| 16:16.28 | freemangordon | this is linus pulling some other tree |
| 16:16.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, nevermind I have no clue about git |
| 16:17.12 | freemangordon | he is the only one with rights to push in master branch afaik |
| 16:18.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just seem to understand that https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts doesn't tell me who's contributing to N900 branch specifically |
| 16:18.26 | freemangordon | there is no "n900 branch" |
| 16:18.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | see? |
| 16:18.46 | freemangordon | this is linux kernel master branch |
| 16:19.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | made my point I guess |
| 16:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | NFC |
| 16:19.11 | bencoh | indeed ;p |
| 16:19.21 | freemangordon | but for individual files or directories you may check the history, thus https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts |
| 16:19.53 | freemangordon | maybe I missed your point, however my point was that it is not only me and Pali :) |
| 16:20.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | good! |
| 16:20.18 | freemangordon | err0r3o3_: you'd better use mainline kernel tree |
| 16:20.42 | bencoh | freemangordon: why? |
| 16:20.47 | freemangordon | u-boot unable to find the uImage has nothing to do with the kernel version itself |
| 16:21.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL for sure not |
| 16:21.44 | freemangordon | bencoh: because there is nothing on Pali's tree needed by upstream distros and it has "hacks" neede by maemo which may interfere |
| 16:22.20 | bencoh | I thought it included unmergeable/not-yet-merged patches as well? |
| 16:22.25 | freemangordon | upstream has even bluetooth and cameras, how functional is another story, but still :) |
| 16:22.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | while we're at it, how would I actually check who committed to a particular file in git? |
| 16:22.43 | freemangordon | bencoh: it contains, but those are neede by maemo |
| 16:22.54 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: git log |
| 16:23.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | web git ;-P |
| 16:23.09 | freemangordon | use "log" |
| 16:23.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then find or what? |
| 16:23.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh you say https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts actually has edits to that particular file only? |
| 16:24.06 | freemangordon | yes |
| 16:24.17 | freemangordon | ;_ |
| 16:24.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 16:24.20 | freemangordon | ;) |
| 16:24.42 | freemangordon | (19,19,20) freemangordon: but for individual files or directories you may check the history, thus https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts |
| 16:24.48 | freemangordon | :p |
| 16:26.02 | freemangordon | parazyd: good, I hope we'll have some concrete outcome, even negative |
| 16:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | still lost when looking at https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts?id=5a6b7e53d035db7941b27122365cca9f2e912596 seems it's only unrelated edits |
| 16:27.01 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: no, look at diffstat down the page |
| 16:27.03 | parazyd | indeed |
| 16:27.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind |
| 16:28.38 | freemangordon | bencoh: whatever possible from pali's tree was already upstreamed |
| 16:29.10 | freemangordon | afaik |
| 16:29.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | shudders thinking of dts patches for Neo900 |
| 16:30.03 | freemangordon | bencoh: ah, while you;re here - do you plan to package libplayback, or I should do it? I am not pushing, but asking to know how to plan my time :) |
| 16:30.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | though it's meant to be as hw-compatible as it gets, we have quite a few new things in there |
| 16:30.41 | bencoh | I'm terribly sorry about it, I should've updated you on friday - didn't have a moment |
| 16:31.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: how would kernel(?) decide which DTS (???) is the right one to use, IOW how does kernel know which device it's running on? |
| 16:31.29 | freemangordon | no need to sorry, I am overloaded as well so it is understandable. So I assume you won;t have time and I will have to do it, right? |
| 16:32.02 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: in case of n900 you "attach" dtb to the kernel zImage |
| 16:32.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh good, so simple and straight forward |
| 16:32.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | outright easy |
| 16:32.58 | freemangordon | for devices where bootloader supports DT, DTB is passed by bootloader to the kernel, afaik |
| 16:33.07 | freemangordon | yep |
| 16:33.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | now neo900 DTS 'only' needs new sensors and a few changed switches |
| 16:33.33 | freemangordon | and a new CPU and memory and flash description :) |
| 16:33.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | new LEDs |
| 16:33.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | etc |
| 16:33.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that too |
| 16:34.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | though that's pretty much same as GTA04 |
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| 16:34.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | so Nikolaus should already have accomplished all that |
| 16:34.21 | freemangordon | maybe it is better to ruse GTA04 DTS |
| 16:34.27 | freemangordon | *reuse |
| 16:34.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 16:34.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | merge, somegow |
| 16:34.44 | freemangordon | yep |
| 16:34.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | *how |
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| 16:39.02 | bencoh | freemangordon: I wouldn't build on me doing it, yeah :/ |
| 16:39.32 | freemangordon | oik |
| 16:39.35 | freemangordon | *ok |
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| 17:23.00 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: as far as mainlining the neo900 dts goes it's going to be its own dts file |
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| 19:33.07 | err0r3o3 | ok, arch is running now with the mainline kernel |
| 19:33.21 | err0r3o3 | this time i build on a debian machine |
| 19:33.25 | err0r3o3 | :) |
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| 20:35.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: merlin1991: what do you DTS guys need to create the Neo900 DTS? I probably can already provide everything needed |
| 20:36.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | except for a real test platform, which will take a "few weeks" longer until we got some |
| 20:38.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess what you need is I2C/whatever address and exact type of sensor/actor chip? |
| 20:40.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus the DTS of latest (huge-RAM, DM3730) GTA04 |
| 20:42.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw we finally decided to use original N900 kbd concept (kbd matrix scanner of TWL4030), so the new dedicated matrix scanner chip will be in Neo900 proto_v2 only |
| 20:42.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | one less new driver/DTS patch needed |
| 20:43.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | for final Neo900 |
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