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| 00:21.56 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~lf ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 10:20.58 | kerio | i think it's time |
| 10:21.06 | kerio | ;-; |
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| 12:26.57 | mike727 | Enquired about an advertised 'white 64gb N9' online. He said he hadn't any problems with it and hasn't been used for the past 3yrs, was about to seal the deal; then asked him to test cellular. |
| 12:29.28 | mike727 | It seems that it doesn't recognise a working sim card. I asked him a few things, speculating about hardware or software issues. |
| 12:30.46 | mike727 | He's quite sure it's just software related and offerered a discount. Asked him a few more questions and he hasn't respondered since. |
| 12:33.26 | mike727 | It looks immaculate (as his description) apart from the chrome strip. Worth the risk for $80AUD ?? |
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| 13:00.46 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Depends how much you want an N9 I suppose. |
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| 13:35.27 | mike727 | hmm. Yeah, I shouldn't be greedy; I already x2 64gb black n9. Cheers. |
| 13:35.39 | mike727 | *have |
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| 14:14.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | N9 not rally known to have hw issues with cellmo |
| 14:15.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | however *might* be a mech-electrical issue with the "slot-in" SIM holder's contacts, particularly when somebody used a SIM in adapter frame |
| 14:16.18 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I just wouldn't want an N9, not that I've used one. It just seemed the wrong direction at the time |
| 14:16.53 | sixwheeledbeast^ | ~aegis |
| 14:16.54 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 14:16.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | same here |
| 14:17.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo aegis |
| 14:17.12 | infobot | aegis -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Sat Sep 24 21:21:15 2011 (2101 days); last modified at Sat Sep 24 21:21:22 2011 by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 137 times, last by sixwheeledbeast^, 19s ago. |
| 14:17.36 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I understood competing with Android etc |
| 14:18.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Android is "better" - more closed and thus more open when rooted |
| 14:18.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | while android has a hard shell, aegis sits everywhere inside that N9 |
| 14:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically AIUI when you once cracked the shell / armor of a Android, it's pretty much similar to a "normal" linux, as far as Android can ever be normal linux. On HARM you only can crack the whole thing by implementing your own kernel |
| 14:21.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | so from a security POV aegis > android security. For power users the relation gets reverted |
| 14:25.41 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Point being coming from an N900 to an N9 would be a downgrade IMO. |
| 14:27.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | it felt like that, yes |
| 14:27.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I used mine a 5 days |
| 14:27.52 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Although at the moment moving to anything else is a downgrade :( Even if it is more powerful and modern etc etc |
| 14:28.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | now I should keep the pieces, and maybe even see if it possibly could get re-assembled |
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| 15:36.37 | sicelo | i'm worried about what next after my n900 too |
| 15:37.26 | sicelo | i've put up a few ads this side trying to get n900's in any condition for parts. no responses yet :-( |
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| 16:08.09 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I have hardware spares for the future and I am still hopeful for the neo900 project. |
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| 17:51.08 | sicelo | ~ham |
| 17:51.08 | infobot | i guess ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham |
| 17:51.46 | sicelo | ~speedy-ham |
| 17:51.51 | sicelo | ~speedyham |
| 17:51.52 | infobot | somebody said speedyham was 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU. |
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| 18:52.48 | sicelo | i'm on cssu-thumb, running 2.6.28.10-cssu3 kernel. now i'm trying to install replacement bme, and apt wants to install pk. i guess the depencies need adjusting there |
| 18:55.13 | sicelo | maybe my understanding is wrong, but i think cssu3 kernel = pk53? |
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| 19:19.32 | xes | freemangordon: so which is the plan for tls 1.2 https pages? :) |
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| 22:15.10 | freemangordon | xes: I don't think we have one :( |
| 22:16.47 | freemangordon | cssu is effectively dead, fremantle port to devuan seems to be progressing way slower than I hoped, so... |
| 22:19.19 | xes | and maemo-browser uses internal nss to connect to https ..isn't it? |
| 22:30.12 | freemangordon | afaik yes |
| 22:31.09 | freemangordon | but I doubt we'll be able to port newer nss. And even if we are able, we don;t have any means to distribute it |
| 22:54.19 | freemangordon | xes: the point is that I don't see any other dev (besides Wizzup, but it seems he has already too much stuff on the plate) interested in helping with maemo port |
| 22:55.11 | xes | freemangordon: actual devuan image can be used also in chroot? |
| 22:55.21 | freemangordon | the best we could hope for is 2 or 3 more devs, porting FOSS stuff, with me doing the REing work |
| 22:55.25 | freemangordon | I doubt |
| 22:55.47 | freemangordon | it has jessie libc, and maemo kernel is too old afaik |
| 22:59.11 | freemangordon | xes: you may want to look at https://github.com/dyne/arm-sdk |
| 22:59.38 | freemangordon | it is really easy to be used, and you |
| 22:59.52 | freemangordon | can tweak the board script to your needs |
| 23:00.09 | freemangordon | like pre-installing lxde or whatever |
| 23:02.26 | freemangordon | xes: on https://github.com/dyne/arm-sdk/blob/next/boards/nokia-n900.sh#L36 you may add whatever packages you need to be installed in the image |
| 23:05.09 | xes | very interesting and also pretty easy to guess |
| 23:05.20 | freemangordon | mhm |
| 23:08.32 | xes | mhm? |
| 23:10.53 | freemangordon | I mean - yes, it is interesting and easy :) |
| 23:11.24 | freemangordon | anyway, I am going to have some sleep |
| 23:11.27 | freemangordon | night |
| 23:12.48 | xes | goodnight |
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