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02:20.50MaxdamantusDocScrutinizer05: I don't think that accounts for the NAC <= LMD/16 issue.
02:23.21Maxdamantusie, this: https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/fc0c0089eedbb5a00982
02:26.05Maxdamantuswhen NAC gets to LMD/16 (I can tell by my logs that LMD = 1088 there, so 1088/16 = 68), it just sits there for a few hours.
02:26.45MaxdamantusDon't really understand why, but the spec sheet says weird things about LMD/16, eg:
02:27.04Maxdamantus> Self-discharge at termination of learning cycle. If self-discharge estimate causes NAC ≤ LMD/16, VDQ is cleared.
02:28.21MaxdamantusSo I'm guessing it just doesn't expect NAC to drop below LMD/16 under normal conditions and some mechanism at least gives it a chance for recalibration by keeping NAC = LMD/16 for a while, but eventually it decides something's wrong.
02:28.44MaxdamantusMaybe it wasn't designed for systems where the battery is swapped.
02:30.35MaxdamantusHm .. I guess the comment produced by that script could help though, since it says to leave the backlight on to speed up discharge.
02:35.59Maxdamantus> During a discharge with VDQ = 1, NAC is not allowed to drop below LMD/16 until EDV1 = 1.
02:37.19MaxdamantusSo something else causes VDQ = 0 during that slow discharge, allowing NAC to continue to decrease (without EDV1 = 1)
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09:47.01keriodo i really have to aac my music up :<
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10:07.04Wizzupkerio: ?
10:07.06Wizzupno?
10:07.11keriowat do then
10:07.16keriothere's no opus support
10:07.20WizzupI have it in flac. works fine.
10:07.27Wizzupidk about opus. is there none?
10:07.35keriogstreamer is too old i believe
10:07.40Wizzupcould be
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10:13.15Wizzupkerio: maybe use a diff player
10:14.29keriour face is a different player :<
10:14.48Wizzupquite true
10:17.02keriowhatevs, AAC isnt even bad
10:18.23Wizzuphow large is your library
10:18.44Wizzupor is your library in opus...
10:19.23keriomy library on my computer is in alac
10:19.27keriowell, the relevant parts
10:19.53kerioincluding, more specifically, the newly rereleased version of OK Computer
10:19.56keriothat weighs literally 2gb
10:21.40Wizzupraises eyebrow
10:21.46Wizzupwhy apple crap?
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10:22.14kerioalac is literally the same as flac
10:22.21MaxdamantusApparently mpd supports Opus.
10:22.24keriothe flac encoder on Let Down shaves off 34kbps
10:22.26Maxdamantushas never used it.
10:22.28kerioout of 3300
10:22.44kerioand yes i have songs at 3.3mbps
10:22.50keriono it doesn't make any sense at all
10:22.52Maxdamantusliterally the same as an a rebranded version of FLAC?
10:23.00kerionah it's a different algorithm
10:23.03Maxdamantuswould imagine ALAC would be a completely different codec.
10:23.04keriobut the results are pretty much the same
10:23.06kerioand it's open
10:23.10kerioso eh
10:23.32MaxdamantusALAC is open?
10:23.41MaxdamantusWell, I suspect there are open source implementations of it.
10:24.09MaxdamantusAh, Apple themselves released source code for it.
10:24.15Wizzuppatents?
10:24.39Maxdamantus> After initially keeping it proprietary from its inception in 2004, in late 2011 Apple made the codec available open source and royalty-free.
10:25.04Wizzupso after flac became the default, they conceded :P
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13:52.46DocScrutinizer05kerio: what? play FLAC? works, just needs installing the codecs
13:52.55kerioDocScrutinizer05: not flac, opus
13:53.01DocScrutinizer05nfc
13:53.03kerioyou don't need lossless audio on a phone
13:54.01DocScrutinizer05I lost half of the convo, so nevermind
13:56.12DocScrutinizer05http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/6401634831
13:56.18DocScrutinizer05\o/
13:57.54kerioDocScrutinizer05: opus is basically aac but better
13:57.57kerioand more open
13:58.36kerioexcept that it's only really marginally better at low bitrates, both aac and opus are essentially indistinguishable at 128kbps and over
13:59.46DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2017/06/24/plasma-desktopFv8317.png
14:00.27DocScrutinizer05yeah, flac actually abuses the shit out of even my 128MB uSD
14:01.31kerio128mb? :o
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14:07.30DocScrutinizer05yup
14:07.48DocScrutinizer05err nope :-P
14:07.55DocScrutinizer05sips more coffee
14:08.03DocScrutinizer05128GB
14:08.34DocScrutinizer05256 are too expensive for the bang
14:10.16DocScrutinizer05also I most like .iso with cue sheet, for true gapless playback, but alas there's basically not a single decent mediaplayer for that which could play songs according to the cuesheet
14:11.34DocScrutinizer05for a true audiophile it's an abomination when albums of e.g. Zappa or Pink Floyd don't play 100% gapless
14:13.09DocScrutinizer05there's an alternative format similar to .iso+cuesheet but using lossless compression. forgot the name, and problems with players are same
14:16.53DocScrutinizer05((coffee)) 30°C outside 27° inside, time for starting the A/C
14:20.16xes36/27 with A/C running...
14:34.16DocScrutinizer0534 outside was yesterday
14:34.24DocScrutinizer0524 inside
14:36.31DocScrutinizer05monoblock with DocScrutinizer-patented booster: 2nd pipe to condenser cooling intake, to not only blow hot air out the window but also suck warm air directly from outside into the device instead of into the room via leaks in windows and whatnot and mixing with the cool air
14:38.34DocScrutinizer05oooh and bubblefoil wrapped around the hot air pipe, so it doesn't work as heater for the room
14:39.23DocScrutinizer05both together prolly increasing efficacy by 50%
14:39.33DocScrutinizer05or more
14:41.44DocScrutinizer05the operation manual suggests to hang the hot air pipe out the window and to **seal every leak in windows and doors so no warm air from outside comes in"[SIC!]. Do they hope to evacuate my room or what? ;-P
14:42.40DocScrutinizer05when I blow out air from inside, there MUST come in air from outside to compensate
14:43.47DocScrutinizer05the question is where you want that air to go to. I for one want it to go directly into the condenser cooling air intake of the device
14:47.28DocScrutinizer05already cooled down my 100m^3 volume a 2°C
14:47.40DocScrutinizer05in 30 min
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14:50.50DocScrutinizer05MPD1-12CRN1 12000BTU/h 1350W
14:53.20DocScrutinizer05dman! somebody stole my patent! ;-P  https://www.amazon.de/AirLock-Fensterabdichtung-Klimageräte-Klimaanlagen-Ablufttrockner/dp/B06XWF6Q68/ref=pd_sim_60_4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=JESBZSCTYQB31HVASNQ9
14:53.45DocScrutinizer05TWO pipes
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16:46.14ShadowJKdamn
16:46.23ShadowJKI've been carving those adapters out of cardboard
16:49.27ShadowJKYeah fancier models have two pipes as standard
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17:30.08keriohas the supl server stopped working again
17:30.50kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's only a matter of player really
17:31.15keriothe n900 media player just likes to take a deep breath and drink a coffee between songs
17:32.50DocScrutinizer05no mp3 files and no players I found so far allow really unnoticeable gapless playback across songs that fade one into the other
17:33.17kerioitunes
17:33.28keriowith something better than mp3
17:33.34kerioit's a shit codec in a shit container
17:33.38DocScrutinizer05yes, I think I heard supl stopped working on both nokia and google
17:34.05kerio:c
17:34.21DocScrutinizer05in here
17:34.26DocScrutinizer05a few weeks back
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17:37.22kerioDocScrutinizer05: could it be that your rips are bad
17:37.34keriowith wrong gapless playback info
17:37.50DocScrutinizer05as good as they are when you download them
17:38.07keriothere's rip and rip
17:38.37DocScrutinizer05and no way to tell them apart on aunt google etc
17:39.16kerioye thats why you use a private tracker
17:39.22DocScrutinizer05actually administartion and QA are the most tedious duties with maintaining a medium size music library
17:40.17DocScrutinizer05.iso and full-album .flac are usually just fine
17:40.25sicelosupl is working (nokia)
17:40.38DocScrutinizer05oh?
17:41.43siceloyes
17:42.05sixwheeledbeast^I still think there's more to the supl server issue, as it only seems to work for some.
17:47.04DocScrutinizer05sure, it's most likely geoDNS
17:47.18DocScrutinizer05or whatever the correct term
17:49.29DocScrutinizer05doesn't make sense to provide an IP of a japanese server when you resolve the URL while you're located / connected-to-internet in england, and then the japanese server would need to have and provide the AGPS data of england
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17:51.14DocScrutinizer05https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/supl.nokia.com hmm, even worse, eh?
17:52.02DocScrutinizer05though... which port is that using? 80?
17:52.56DocScrutinizer05bullshit, sorry. The question is: which record type (A, AAAA, what) is a nokia GPS client asking for?
17:55.36DocScrutinizer05SRV?
17:56.39DocScrutinizer05https://www.whatsmydns.net/#CNAME/supl.nokia.com
17:57.54sicelon900 clearly uses the 'A'
17:59.01DocScrutinizer05ok, then see above, though I think CNAME should work for A too, right?
17:59.32DocScrutinizer05I mean, no client asks for CNAME explicitly
17:59.40siceloyes, of course you then need the 'A' of the cname
17:59.48DocScrutinizer05is this a NS server property?
17:59.48siceloyes, you're right
18:04.00DocScrutinizer05try IP when the URL doesn't work for you
18:04.24DocScrutinizer05odds are that japanese server maybe actually has data for your particular location too
18:05.22DocScrutinizer0552.3.37.45  or  52.22.201.16
18:06.22DocScrutinizer05kerio: ^^^
18:06.30sicelourl does not work since a while already .. resolves to 127.0.0.1
18:06.56DocScrutinizer05for you, so I gather you're not in the Americas
18:07.23DocScrutinizer05(actually I'm pretty sure you're not)
18:07.31siceloswaziland
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18:07.45DocScrutinizer05knew that
18:08.01sicelolet me nslookup from a JP server
18:09.02DocScrutinizer05Japan was an arbitrary example. Seems the URL only resolves for US and Vrazil
18:09.07DocScrutinizer05Brazil even
18:09.25siceloi have access to a jp server ;)
18:10.12DocScrutinizer05root@UbiqPKD# host supl.nokia.com
18:10.13DocScrutinizer05supl.nokia.com is an alias for nokia.supl.svc.ovi.com.
18:10.15DocScrutinizer05nokia.supl.svc.ovi.com is an alias for nokia.supl.svc.ovi.com.glb.as1248.net.
18:10.16DocScrutinizer05nokia.supl.svc.ovi.com.glb.as1248.net has address 127.0.0.1
18:10.18DocScrutinizer05(Germany)
18:10.44DocScrutinizer05Received 132 bytes from 88.134.228.97#53 in 10 ms
18:10.54sicelosame for JP as well as CN
18:11.11DocScrutinizer05see https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/supl.nokia.com
18:11.15sicelothat's why i'm surprised it resolves fine for some
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18:11.58sicelon900 seems to have issues opening that page
18:12.01DocScrutinizer05there's a bazillion NS servers literally
18:13.01DocScrutinizer05let me help you out :-)  http://wstaw.org/m/2017/06/24/plasma-desktoppm8317.png
18:15.16sicelothanks. i'm saving that
18:15.26DocScrutinizer05apropos, what's state of things with election?
18:15.47sicelono update
18:16.02sicelonot enough candidates
18:16.26DocScrutinizer05ducks and covers
18:16.40siceloi nominate you :P
18:16.55DocScrutinizer05GO F.... URSELF!!!! ;-P
18:17.37DocScrutinizer05I think a 6 months (or more( ragequit disqualifies for council anyway
18:18.43DocScrutinizer05and right now my workload/state_of_burnout is way worse than when I had to quit
18:19.07sicelotalking about that - how goes with Neo?
18:19.18DocScrutinizer05back when I was grumpy and tended to shout at people, now I'd simply shoot them down ;-)
18:19.46DocScrutinizer05[2017-06-24 Sat 17:12:13] <Joerg-Neo900> waiting for layout contract
18:23.03siceloany thoughts to cancel the project?
18:23.16DocScrutinizer05every single day, yes
18:24.03DocScrutinizer05but I'd feel bad for all the people who invested their money into support
18:24.40DocScrutinizer05I also don't really like the idea to run a chapter11 aka bankruptcy
18:25.06DocScrutinizer05nice trap I got caught in
18:26.57sicelolet's hope things work out
18:27.32DocScrutinizer05for now the plan is still unchanged: get a working prototype to show off (even when that's a fair showcase hack, with "the hidden cables running to the 'fridge' it sits on"), then start a kickstarter
18:27.58DocScrutinizer05then when that kickstarter fails, let's call it a zombie
18:29.03DocScrutinizer05when it succeeds, I hope not only for more funds but also for more support so I won't be the only one driving all that stuff
18:31.50sicelosince you're in .DE, is/was HBCI really secure? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinTS
18:33.16DocScrutinizer05HBCI is considered safe afaik, yes
18:34.53sicelolooks nice. wish our banks had something similar
18:35.36DocScrutinizer05https://www.deutsche-bank.de/pfb/content/pk-digital-banking-hbci-fints.html  https://www.chipkartenleser-shop.de/shop/deutsche-bank  https://www.deutsche-bank.de/pfb/content/pk-digital-banking-banking-software.html
18:37.29DocScrutinizer05seems they actually done that one right, for once
18:39.20DocScrutinizer05basically an older more advanced though proprietary version of ubikey
18:40.04DocScrutinizer05(and costs almost the same like a ubikey dongle)
18:41.03DocScrutinizer05Secure Element is in creditcard (or now our new ID card) instead of inside ubikey dongle
18:41.28DocScrutinizer05Security done right
18:42.32sicelosomeone has to really take that all over the world
18:42.51DocScrutinizer05I don't use it (yet), PIN/iTAN is good enough for me
18:42.58sicelomy bank has an android app, but of course, my 900 is my main device
18:43.27DocScrutinizer05no app needed for PIN/iTAN
18:44.06DocScrutinizer05but "no app needed" also means "no app available to do the tedious bookkeeping for you"
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18:44.33siceloinstead of your iTAN, we have SMS :-(
18:44.48DocScrutinizer05ooh we have that too, SMS-TAN
18:45.31DocScrutinizer05considered highly insecure when you use tghe same smartphone for the web gateway AND receiving the SMS with TAN
18:46.07DocScrutinizer05changes 2 factor to 0.5 factor
18:48.10siceloyes, unfortunately
18:50.11DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2017/06/24/plasma-desktopKj8317.png  https://www.deutsche-bank.de/pfb/content/pk-digital-banking-faq.html?pfb_toggle=38474-38577,38474-38811
18:52.56sicelolulz, i can't read german. but that wikipedia link does mention mobile TAN
18:53.39siceloincidentally, has a section about South Afica (mTAN), where i've seen those attacks myself
19:13.49DocScrutinizer05yup
19:13.56DocScrutinizer05exactly that
19:14.27DocScrutinizer05mobile TAN must be the worst idea ever
19:34.32siceloprolly was the most obvious and not much thought given to it initially
19:39.27DocScrutinizer05LOL, funny stuff in my bash history. I already forgot
19:39.29DocScrutinizer05wget http://wstaw.org/m/2017/02/13/Test.jpg -O -|grep -a -A99 begin |uudecode
19:40.25DocScrutinizer05don't let tinfoil hatters see that ;-P
19:40.53DocScrutinizer05wonders if that works with e.g. imgur too
19:45.40sicelohaven't installed busybox-power yet, so no uudecode
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19:48.16DocScrutinizer05I'm not interested, if any of you are, drop me a note and I'll forward the email to you  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24942885
19:48.40DocScrutinizer05or rather, your email addr to the sender of this offer
19:51.12DocScrutinizer05yeah that's unfortunate
19:53.28DocScrutinizer05https://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=uuencode&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386
19:55.00DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/packages/view/sharutils/
19:55.47DocScrutinizer05sicelo: ^^^
19:56.41siceloi've just installed busybox-power after all :-)
19:56.52DocScrutinizer05blargh!
19:56.55DocScrutinizer05;-P
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19:57.27DocScrutinizer05do you have a *faintly* useful ps now?
19:58.04sicelonow i don't know which 'ping' i really have .. original busybox's, busybox power's, or the ping i installed separately :D
19:58.26DocScrutinizer05ping --help will tell
19:59.10DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ping --help
19:59.11DocScrutinizer05BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso31+0cssu0) multi-call binary
20:01.03sicelomm, i don't get that output. maybe need to reboot
20:02.13DocScrutinizer05http://paste.ubuntu.com/24942954
20:03.06DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ls -l `which ping`
20:03.08DocScrutinizer05lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2014-12-06 12:39 /bin/ping -> busybox
20:03.56sicelomine is /usr/bin/ping .. i'm ok with that
20:04.05DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# echo $PATH
20:04.06DocScrutinizer05/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11
20:05.37siceloi installed 'ping' from repos a while ago, that's where mine comes from. at least it's better than the stock busybox's ping
20:05.44DocScrutinizer05http://paste.ubuntu.com/24942993
20:05.48sicelobut let me reboot and see what happens
20:30.22DocScrutinizer05did you do a "ssh sicelo shutdown -h" instead of a "ssh n900 shutdown -r"?
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20:53.15siceloi still don't have your version of ps
20:53.26sicelomaybe something to do with -thumb .. no idea
20:56.36siceloor yours comes from somewhere else
20:59.34DocScrutinizer05mine is plain procps
20:59.52DocScrutinizer05no way you get that from messybox-whatever
21:01.35DocScrutinizer05yawns at http://paste.ubuntu.com/24943325
21:07.33siceloi don't know what up here then .. will look at it tomorrow. a bit tired and don't want to bork my N900
21:11.03DocScrutinizer05http://paste.ubuntu.com/24943369
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21:12.49siceloah yes .. that doesn't come with busybox power. that explains it
21:18.07sicelo\o
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22:24.40sixwheeledbeast^So a quick line in /etc/hosts seems to have fixed AGPS for now, I had already done it once but commented it back out due to intermittent failure.
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22:47.36sixwheeledbeast^Also found this from 4 years ago, seems like yesterday... http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1370071&postcount=112
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