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| 00:22.03 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~lf ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 05:28.31 | freemangordon | Enrico_Menotti: right, there is a problem with gtk+ build, I will try to find time later today to fix it |
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| 09:50.59 | xes | freemangordon: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2017-June/thread.html maemo-evelopers ML now is working again |
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| 09:52.00 | Wizzup | It's not loading for me |
| 09:58.24 | xes | Wizzup: what is not loading? |
| 09:58.47 | Wizzup | what you linked to fmg |
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| 10:02.16 | Wizzup | xes: some links only give a response after 60 seconds |
| 10:02.21 | Wizzup | e.g. https://static.maemo.org:81/jQuery/jquery.metadata.js |
| 10:02.30 | Wizzup | maybe this is some weird rate limiting? |
| 10:02.30 | xes | ..weird. And what about the other maemo pages? |
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| 10:06.56 | Wizzup | For maemo.org I have similar issues with static.maemo.org |
| 10:12.25 | xes | Wizzup: please try another browser and test: wget http://static.maemo.org:81/style_maemo2009/img/icons/favourite.png |
| 10:12.44 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Would it be https thing I experienced? Let me try |
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| 10:13.50 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Yep hangs on TLS handshake with HTTPS Everywhere. Resolves with it off. |
| 10:14.02 | xes | sixwheeledbeast^: "https everywhere"? maybe |
| 10:14.08 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Is that your issue? |
| 10:14.21 | Wizzup | I use https-everywhere, yeah |
| 10:14.35 | sixwheeledbeast^ | disable it for *.maemo.org |
| 10:14.49 | Wizzup | ... |
| 10:15.59 | Wizzup | why does https not work? |
| 10:16.28 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I reported it a while back, xes had a look. I don't think it was easily fixable? |
| 10:19.18 | Wizzup | going to https://maemo.org works, but http://maemo.org does not, with https-everywhere. |
| 10:19.32 | warfare | Currently we have a startcom wildcard certificate for HTTPS. We need to invest a bit of time to migrate to let's encrypt. But still, such things as http on port 81 can't be changed easily because they are hardcoded in this midgard stuff. |
| 10:19.50 | xes | ..easily... i'm slowly forgetting the meaning of that word |
| 10:20.13 | warfare | :] |
| 10:22.07 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Dunno if this is helpful either? https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere/atlas/domains/maemo.org.html |
| 10:22.10 | xes | _maybe_.... the pages using static.m.o only to pick maemo theme could be changed to use a copy of those file inside the same web server. The other redirects are a mess.. |
| 10:23.02 | sixwheeledbeast^ | ~midgard |
| 10:23.02 | infobot | A PHP Application Server Suite - Web building with Web-based tools. URL: http://www.midgard-project.org/ |
| 10:23.24 | warfare | s/.*/a steaming heap of cow poo/ |
| 10:23.37 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I am surprised Doc hasn't changed that to read "the devil" |
| 10:23.42 | sixwheeledbeast^ | :) lol |
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| 10:26.58 | bencoh | :] |
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| 12:55.51 | Pali | Nonfunctional subdomains: talk(refused) |
| 12:56.02 | Pali | but talk.maemo.org works fine via https... |
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| 14:10.19 | quirinpa | hey |
| 14:10.32 | quirinpa | i installed rescueOS on my n900 |
| 14:10.39 | quirinpa | and now a kernel panic happens |
| 14:10.44 | quirinpa | and i can't flash it |
| 14:10.55 | quirinpa | not with either 0xffff or flasher |
| 14:11.16 | quirinpa | i've googled endlessly i cant do anything |
| 14:12.17 | quirinpa | the kernel panic says that the boot option is invalid i remember that i could use 0xffff to boot but now i cannot |
| 14:12.26 | quirinpa | can anyone help me please? |
| 14:13.38 | quirinpa | is it possible to pass an option to rescueOS without a usb flashing software? |
| 14:13.46 | quirinpa | a boot option* |
| 14:14.50 | quirinpa | unfortunately i dont know the hw revision of the phone |
| 14:15.19 | bencoh | what you do get when trying to run nokia flasher? |
| 14:15.24 | sicelo | you don't actually install rescuOS |
| 14:15.28 | quirinpa | waiting for device |
| 14:15.34 | quirinpa | well i did |
| 14:15.36 | quirinpa | i think |
| 14:16.31 | sicelo | it's not intended for install .. |
| 14:16.43 | quirinpa | ok im such a noob |
| 14:16.51 | quirinpa | did i brick it? |
| 14:17.17 | quirinpa | the message i get is please append a correct boot= boot option |
| 14:17.31 | quirinpa | well |
| 14:17.56 | quirinpa | if it is not meant for install then why does it have an app to charge the battery when it is installed? |
| 14:18.11 | quirinpa | a script i should say |
| 14:18.43 | sicelo | not bricked. it can charge battery because you need that functionality while hopefully repairing your n900 :-) |
| 14:19.16 | quirinpa | k good to hear :) |
| 14:19.48 | quirinpa | well what can i do? i cant use 0xffff or flasher |
| 14:19.54 | quirinpa | to set a boot option |
| 14:20.04 | quirinpa | i remember in the past that it worked sometimes |
| 14:20.07 | sicelo | read the documentation properly ... and have the correct files |
| 14:20.13 | quirinpa | i do |
| 14:20.26 | quirinpa | i have flashed it before |
| 14:20.55 | quirinpa | i wish i knew the revision |
| 14:21.00 | sicelo | what is the real problem by the way (that made you want/need rescueOS) |
| 14:21.21 | quirinpa | i wanted to try out lower level os's etc |
| 14:21.29 | quirinpa | now i just want maemo |
| 14:21.34 | sicelo | revision hardly matters (most of the time) -or what do you need it for |
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| 14:21.50 | quirinpa | cold flashing |
| 14:21.52 | quirinpa | i guess |
| 14:21.54 | bencoh | why do you actually need the revision? |
| 14:21.55 | quirinpa | if i need it |
| 14:22.12 | quirinpa | im not sure tho |
| 14:22.17 | quirinpa | to be honest |
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| 14:22.23 | sicelo | do not cold flash |
| 14:22.25 | quirinpa | i wanted to try the netbsd port |
| 14:22.27 | quirinpa | i think |
| 14:22.47 | quirinpa | but it was way back because my battery died |
| 14:22.53 | quirinpa | now i have my friends phone |
| 14:23.12 | sicelo | does you n900 still boot maemo properly after all you've done? |
| 14:23.15 | bencoh | quirinpa: to test alternative OSes / boot images, you should probably 1. boot kernel/initrd from flasher/0xffff without flashing |
| 14:23.15 | quirinpa | no |
| 14:23.22 | quirinpa | it boots rescueOs |
| 14:23.24 | bencoh | or install uboot and boot alternative OS from sd |
| 14:23.28 | quirinpa | well it doesnt |
| 14:23.34 | quirinpa | yeah |
| 14:23.50 | quirinpa | i thought about it but |
| 14:23.59 | quirinpa | how do i boot from sd if boot=null |
| 14:24.00 | quirinpa | ? |
| 14:24.15 | bencoh | what is this boot=null thing? |
| 14:24.27 | quirinpa | boot option |
| 14:24.39 | quirinpa | i have a kernel panic |
| 14:24.44 | quirinpa | and it complains about that |
| 14:25.15 | quirinpa | ill try to be more specific |
| 14:25.28 | sicelo | show us your commandline, your flasher commands, and where the kernel came from |
| 14:25.50 | quirinpa | i dont remember where the kernel came from |
| 14:26.03 | quirinpa | i dont usually use flasher because i'm on openbsd |
| 14:26.12 | quirinpa | but 0xffff has been working for me in the past |
| 14:26.28 | quirinpa | the messages i get thou are the following |
| 14:26.49 | sicelo | that's still fine .. show us the commands you put in .. pastebin maybe |
| 14:26.56 | quirinpa | VFS: Cannot open root device "(null)" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 14:27.09 | quirinpa | ok |
| 14:27.35 | sicelo | where is the root of the system you're trying to load? |
| 14:28.17 | quirinpa | what do you mean? i want to boot from internal memory (where rescuefs is installed) |
| 14:28.44 | quirinpa | this is the command i've used in the past to flash the Fiasco image (and it worked) |
| 14:28.46 | quirinpa | 0xFFFF -M RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -F |
| 14:29.08 | quirinpa | the kernel panic also shows: |
| 14:29.16 | sicelo | so what command did you type now when installing the rescuefs |
| 14:29.20 | bencoh | this is the combined image |
| 14:29.28 | quirinpa | Please append a correct "root=" boot option: here are the available partitions |
| 14:29.32 | quirinpa | yeah |
| 14:29.51 | quirinpa | i dont remember honestly |
| 14:30.41 | quirinpa | i wish i could just append a boot option |
| 14:30.44 | sicelo | although i doubt flasher would flash a bad image .. |
| 14:30.51 | quirinpa | well |
| 14:30.54 | quirinpa | i've tried many |
| 14:31.03 | quirinpa | and it doesnt even detect the phone |
| 14:31.04 | sicelo | i think you borked your n900 |
| 14:31.10 | quirinpa | but the connector is working |
| 14:31.12 | sicelo | simplest is reflash your maemo rootfs and start fresh |
| 14:31.14 | quirinpa | yeah possibly |
| 14:31.24 | quirinpa | but how? |
| 14:31.56 | sicelo | the command you gave just above |
| 14:32.06 | quirinpa | doesnt work |
| 14:32.12 | quirinpa | waiting for device ... |
| 14:32.18 | quirinpa | forever |
| 14:32.34 | sicelo | try using the U key when plugin n900 in |
| 14:32.38 | quirinpa | the same happens with flasher |
| 14:32.42 | quirinpa | i did |
| 14:32.53 | sicelo | try different usb port on pc |
| 14:33.04 | quirinpa | also did it but ill try another one |
| 14:33.09 | quirinpa | thx guys |
| 14:33.12 | quirinpa | 1 sec |
| 14:33.36 | sicelo | just check the flashing page on wiki |
| 14:33.45 | sicelo | ~flashing |
| 14:33.45 | infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing |
| 14:35.14 | quirinpa | same thing happens |
| 14:35.38 | quirinpa | k ty |
| 14:35.51 | quirinpa | btw |
| 14:36.00 | quirinpa | the phone doesnt even show on dmesg |
| 14:36.12 | sicelo | read the wiki page :-) maybe your bsd also has the module mentioned there that you need to unload |
| 14:36.54 | quirinpa | i've used the exact same to flash it before, besides the same thing happens with windows |
| 14:37.08 | quirinpa | but i know the usb is working because it changes behavior |
| 14:37.25 | quirinpa | a green light appears when the battery is not on |
| 14:37.29 | quirinpa | sometimes orange |
| 14:40.46 | quirinpa | your script looks awesome but unfortunately there is no version of flasher that runs on bsd |
| 14:40.55 | quirinpa | i mean openbsd at least |
| 14:40.59 | quirinpa | that i know of |
| 14:41.10 | quirinpa | i can change it thou |
| 14:42.03 | quirinpa | non hub usb hum? |
| 14:45.42 | quirinpa | no way it isn't even detected |
| 14:46.19 | quirinpa | and i did connect it to a root usb for sure - the mouse usb, right next to the power supply |
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| 15:24.07 | quirinpa | still no cigar |
| 15:24.13 | quirinpa | so im gonna smoke one |
| 15:24.16 | quirinpa | ette... |
| 15:42.28 | quirinpa | guys is there a bios on n900? |
| 15:43.00 | bencoh | you have TI bootloader then NOLO (nokia bootloader) |
| 15:43.04 | bencoh | then uboot and/or kernel |
| 15:43.11 | bencoh | no "bios" afaict |
| 15:43.13 | quirinpa | hm ok |
| 15:43.17 | bencoh | (not strictly speaking) |
| 15:43.35 | quirinpa | so if i got a kernel panic i go as far as the kernel right? |
| 15:43.49 | bencoh | if it is really a kernel panic, then yes |
| 15:43.54 | quirinpa | so np with the ti bootloader and nolo i ghuess |
| 15:43.57 | quirinpa | ok |
| 15:43.59 | quirinpa | it is |
| 15:44.03 | quirinpa | it says so at least |
| 15:44.29 | quirinpa | but what boots the phone into update mode? |
| 15:44.38 | quirinpa | it's before the kernel right? |
| 15:44.54 | quirinpa | is it nolo? |
| 15:44.54 | bencoh | into flash mode you mean? that'd be NOLO |
| 15:44.58 | quirinpa | k |
| 15:45.01 | bencoh | iirc |
| 15:46.34 | quirinpa | then it should do that.. i dont get it |
| 15:47.04 | quirinpa | i tried 3 cables |
| 15:47.09 | quirinpa | i dont have the original |
| 15:48.41 | quirinpa | aren't there any other keyboard hooks besides "u"? |
| 15:48.50 | quirinpa | maybe i disabled r&d mode idk |
| 15:49.40 | bencoh | I don't think you need r&d mode to reflash (?) |
| 15:49.58 | quirinpa | probably i dunno :P |
| 15:50.03 | quirinpa | weird |
| 15:58.14 | quirinpa | im not the only one with this problem tho |
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| 16:23.09 | quirinpa | tried it on elementaryOS now |
| 16:23.18 | quirinpa | same luck |
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| 16:25.15 | quirinpa | i've heard about a serial port |
| 16:25.27 | quirinpa | in the n900 board |
| 16:25.31 | quirinpa | does it exist? |
| 16:27.05 | quirinpa | is there a way to interface with the n900 storage without having it turn on, necessarily? |
| 16:27.19 | quirinpa | internal* storage |
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| 16:38.03 | bencoh | it does exist |
| 16:38.27 | bencoh | not sure you want to fiddle with it on your main device though |
| 16:44.29 | quirinpa | hm well i seem to be out of options anyways |
| 16:44.39 | quirinpa | what is it? |
| 16:44.52 | quirinpa | i've got a bit of unix experience |
| 16:45.09 | quirinpa | eventually i might be able to get it working |
| 16:45.16 | quirinpa | a serial port? |
| 16:45.59 | quirinpa | its not my "main" device... because i bricked it lel |
| 16:47.24 | quirinpa | hopefully just kinda bricked it |
| 16:48.13 | quirinpa | what did you mean when you said it does exist bencoh? |
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| 16:52.28 | quirinpa | seriously i did exactly the steps listed in "updating the firmware". and it did work before. I checked out some of the bash in /etc and i really wanted to optimize. have it only boot what i want |
| 16:53.06 | quirinpa | if there is an alternate way of putting the phone in update mode (which i believe there should be) |
| 16:53.11 | quirinpa | please tell me. |
| 16:53.24 | quirinpa | i dunno |
| 16:53.29 | quirinpa | i'm freaking out sorry |
| 16:53.43 | quirinpa | it just seems a little bugged |
| 16:54.41 | quirinpa | i got this phone off ebay because i believe it's one of the most "open" phones there is |
| 16:54.57 | quirinpa | i think that progress lies not in corporate agendas |
| 16:55.46 | quirinpa | so i really wanted it. One doesn't learn much when all his software does unknown things. |
| 16:55.54 | quirinpa | but damn |
| 16:56.09 | quirinpa | this randomness is pretty god damn unknown |
| 16:56.13 | bencoh | quirinpa: I think you should try and camly read the wiki pages about flashing |
| 16:56.24 | quirinpa | i really, really did. |
| 16:56.24 | bencoh | re-read* |
| 16:56.32 | quirinpa | dude |
| 16:56.39 | quirinpa | i did |
| 16:56.50 | bencoh | battery isn't flat I guess |
| 16:56.56 | quirinpa | no it isnt |
| 16:57.22 | bencoh | lsusb doesn't say anything when phone is plugged with keyboard opened and u pressed? |
| 16:57.28 | quirinpa | nope |
| 16:57.32 | quirinpa | nothing |
| 16:57.45 | quirinpa | but |
| 16:57.54 | quirinpa | the phone turns on when i plug in the usb |
| 16:58.07 | quirinpa | so its not as if there's a problem with the connector |
| 16:58.09 | bencoh | okay, that's good at least |
| 16:58.16 | quirinpa | yah |
| 16:58.18 | bencoh | usb works with rescueOS? |
| 16:58.25 | bencoh | (does rescueOS still boot?) |
| 16:58.40 | quirinpa | no because the boot option of the kernel is wrong |
| 16:58.56 | quirinpa | but before it was sometimes detected bu the pc |
| 16:59.08 | quirinpa | and i could reboot the phone with the correct boot option |
| 16:59.15 | quirinpa | unfortunately, not anymore |
| 16:59.42 | bencoh | "detected"? |
| 16:59.47 | bencoh | by flaher? |
| 16:59.56 | quirinpa | well |
| 17:00.01 | quirinpa | by 0xffff |
| 17:00.17 | quirinpa | but i would assume flasher too |
| 17:00.24 | quirinpa | by my os |
| 17:00.58 | quirinpa | it worked properly but not all the time |
| 17:01.08 | quirinpa | maybe it is corrupt? |
| 17:01.09 | bencoh | I'd try flasher on linux to be honest |
| 17:01.35 | quirinpa | but lsusb doesn't even detect the phone |
| 17:01.42 | quirinpa | it doesn't even boot to update mode |
| 17:01.52 | quirinpa | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.56 | quirinpa | anyway |
| 17:02.04 | bencoh | that's odd yeah and I hope you really dont have a connector issue |
| 17:02.13 | quirinpa | thanks for your patience, it's not your responsibility |
| 17:02.17 | quirinpa | me too |
| 17:02.30 | quirinpa | thanks dude. u've been awesome |
| 17:02.32 | bencoh | this phone *really* is great and not that easy to brick btw |
| 17:02.45 | quirinpa | i've heard.. |
| 17:02.51 | bencoh | so it's worth trying or rebuying it if anything else fails btw |
| 17:03.04 | quirinpa | i think so too.. |
| 17:03.20 | quirinpa | we'll see.. |
| 17:03.26 | quirinpa | i'll try again later |
| 17:03.48 | quirinpa | thanks for trying to help |
| 17:03.57 | quirinpa | cheers! i'm still hopeful :) |
| 17:04.09 | quirinpa | maybe i'm just being dumb |
| 17:04.16 | quirinpa | its very plausible |
| 17:04.19 | quirinpa | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.25 | quirinpa | cya dude :) thx |
| 17:04.38 | quirinpa | are u a dev? |
| 17:04.55 | bencoh | yes, I am |
| 17:04.59 | quirinpa | oh |
| 17:05.33 | quirinpa | well good job with maemo, it's awesome |
| 17:05.46 | bencoh | I'm not a maemo dev though |
| 17:05.53 | quirinpa | oh :P |
| 17:05.58 | quirinpa | i assumed :P |
| 17:06.01 | quirinpa | sorry |
| 17:06.04 | bencoh | mybad :) |
| 17:06.50 | quirinpa | well nice to meet u, i'm a dev too although i'm too dumb for college i think so i didn't have many jobs :P |
| 17:07.00 | quirinpa | only internships its sad really |
| 17:07.03 | quirinpa | lol jkn |
| 17:07.08 | quirinpa | bye man ty so much |
| 17:07.39 | quirinpa | cheers! |
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| 18:56.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | lsusb diesn't do shit when device doesn't boot up. What you want is a mere clean reflashing, starting the flasher so it listens to USB, then plug in the *POWERED OFF* N900 to USB. The instructions in ~lazyflashing are even more foolproof in that they recommend inserting battery only after starting flasher and plugging in the phone |
| 18:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc how quirinpa managed to *flash* rescueOS, but a plain full reflash should recover the device no doubt |
| 18:57.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | DO NOT COLDFLASH!!! |
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| 19:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | when that dev isn't capable to rewrite flash-it-all.sh (the script doing lazyflashing) to use 0xFFFF instead of maemo flasher, then they for sure should stay away from "low level OS experiments" |
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| 19:04.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since N900 on a low level works quite different to your usual PC. It's embedded, it's ARM, it has no BIOS, no Grub(2) and no way to boot from external medium, neither to dd any raw images to any storage partitions |
| 19:13.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | rescueOS is as close to "boot from external medium" as it gets |
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| 20:13.38 | sicelo | is anyone else's gmail refusing to send via imap? |
| 20:13.51 | sicelo | smtp rather |
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| 22:26.17 | freemangordon | xes: thanks a lot man :) |
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