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| 10:55.40 | Wikiwide | Bug report: with profile General (not Silent), with IM sound set to 0 volume, with music being played in Media Player, IMs beep annoyingly on arrival. If Music is paused, then IMs don't beep (which is the expected behaviour). |
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| 10:59.30 | bencoh | Wikiwide: I'd tend to think this a feature(tm), but ... :) |
| 10:59.37 | bencoh | +is |
| 11:07.40 | sixwheeledbeast | Wikiwide: is this OMP? |
| 11:09.25 | Wikiwide | Nay, just Media Player. And, I think that it's bug inside something audio-profile-related, not Media Player itself. |
| 11:10.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is *deep* into terra incognita riddled by evil alsaped etc stuff, the unspeakable language blob stuff that Pali once decompiled |
| 11:10.21 | Wikiwide | And, when I am on a talkative IRC channel, and using music to lull myself to sleep, IM beeps are not a welcome feature. |
| 11:11.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | if anything bug, then that's a bug in your IM |
| 11:11.40 | Wikiwide | And I am trying to stop myself from using Silent profile, because it makes answering phone calls difficult (if I leave Silent profile for all day long) |
| 11:11.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | but probably it's a fsckup audio policy |
| 11:12.02 | Wikiwide | In my IM? It's just rtcom-messaging-ui plus telepathy-idle |
| 11:12.25 | Wikiwide | Yes, audio policy. I recall reading it sometime long ago. |
| 11:12.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka pidgin, no? |
| 11:12.33 | Pali | that seems to be problem in libplayback library |
| 11:12.51 | Pali | similar problem is also with OMP + bluetooth headset |
| 11:12.59 | Pali | probably also bluez related |
| 11:13.05 | Wikiwide | No pidgin. This violet strangeness... |
| 11:13.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaa purple |
| 11:13.19 | Wikiwide | No bluetooth here. No OMP here. |
| 11:14.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | AIUI basically friggin audio policies work by looking for *startup* of a binary with a certain command name, and then adjusts all mixer settings accordingly. This is prone to fail |
| 11:15.01 | sixwheeledbeast | cron to switch back to general in the morning? |
| 11:15.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~alsaped |
| 11:15.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much |
| 11:16.07 | Wikiwide | Granted, these beeps aren't heard if conversation window is the one brought to the front. Maybe, effect of "messages window here, hence new messages are already visible, no need to notify" |
| 11:18.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | less /usr/share/policy/etc/rx51/alsaped.conf |
| 11:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't expect any rationale in that, it's a flaw |
| 11:21.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | when IM on top, the IM audio policy takes effect. When MP on top, music audio policy takes effect. Audio volume of music policy isn't muted, and there are no distinct audio channels in neither hardware nor pukeaudio for different policies and their properties. IOW only one policy at a time takes effect |
| 11:22.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | it does NOT really have a per-app volume setting, not even a per-policy volume setting that works concurrently with other setting, I guess |
| 11:27.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | less /usr/share/policy/etc/current/pulse/xpolicy.conf |
| 11:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | check if IM and MP are in the right groups there |
| 11:29.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | GOD!!!! this config file sucks dinosaur balls |
| 11:29.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | the whole concept does |
| 11:32.03 | Wikiwide | I think that if IM window of channel A is maximised and message arrives to channel B, then the message beeps regardless of IM policy being 0. If message arrives to channel A (maximised), it doesn't beep (I think). |
| 11:38.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | #channel ? |
| 11:39.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's your IM then, would make a weird kind of sense |
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| 11:39.12 | Wikiwide | Yes |
| 11:39.22 | Wikiwide | Wouldn't it have been easier to use alsa-mixer directly without pulseaudio? |
| 11:39.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, that might help, as a template: |
| 11:39.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | [stream] |
| 11:39.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | #exe = hildon-home |
| 11:39.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | property = event.id@equals:"message-new-email" |
| 11:39.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | group = event |
| 11:39.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | from /usr/share/policy/etc/current/pulse/xpolicy.conf |
| 11:40.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | exe is commeted out |
| 11:40.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea where that crap gets stuff like property=event.id from, and how a process would define/set any such property |
| 11:41.49 | Wikiwide | Quite interesting :-) I doubt it would be fixable, because surely nobody would deliberately decide "ooh, music is on, let's annoy the listener with IM beeps and ignore the policy" |
| 11:42.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway /usr/share/policy/etc/current/pulse/xpolicy.conf and /usr/share/policy/etc/current/pulse/xpolicy.conf are the most obscure and undocumented files around maemo audio or even maemo at large |
| 11:44.01 | Wikiwide | Nice... /usr/share/policy/etc/rx51/alsaped.conf right? |
| 11:45.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | what pali said, maybe a problem in libplayback. The process needs to define some sort of property or stream or group or whatever, for audio. When it doesn't, then I guess the audio is "anonymous" aka phantom, aka not noticed at all by alsaped, and thus inherits whatever is currently active as audio policy |
| 11:46.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/share/policy/etc/rx51/ and /usr/share/policy/etc/current/ are identical |
| 11:46.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | symlink or whatever |
| 11:47.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | current is a symlink to rx51 |
| 11:47.59 | Wikiwide | Hmm, interesting. So whatever calls libplayback hasn't defined the property for IM arrival notification, and inherits random-currently-active policy? |
| 11:48.52 | Wikiwide | My current workaround is: stay on one channel, keep it maximised. Then, no IM beeps. |
| 11:48.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's my guess, yep |
| 11:49.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | that whole thing is totally opaque and mysterious/obfuscated/closed |
| 11:50.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask Pali, he disassembled the Prolog shit, maybe he even understands it |
| 11:51.05 | Wikiwide | Cron-ing profiles could be good, but too finicky. As it is, I would like to be able to switch between cellular and SIP depending on whether WiFi is connected. |
| 11:54.10 | Wikiwide | Great :-) I wish there was some description somewhere about "how to reverse-engineer". I would gladly document rtcom-messaging-ui innards, especially obscure changeThemeSomehow thing (it's totally not exposed in GUI, many humans don't even know that changing Conversations theme is possible) |
| 11:54.30 | Pali | IIRC it is up to application to follow profile settings |
| 11:54.59 | Pali | so if some application play sound even if it should not, then that application does not call needed libplayback functions |
| 11:55.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/24889757/ |
| 11:55.59 | jonwil | that package is open, see https://github.com/community-ssu/pulseaudio-policy-enforcement |
| 11:56.09 | Pali | Wikiwide: try OMP |
| 11:56.12 | Pali | if it has same problem |
| 11:56.53 | Wikiwide | Pali: I hope somebody will be able to confirm that this bug isn't experienced by only me. I can try OMP, yes... Not installed atm. |
| 11:57.26 | Pali | as wrote I see same bug, but with bluetooth |
| 11:57.38 | Pali | but maybe it is not same... |
| 11:58.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | that looks promising, though REALLY I wish it was formatted to be readable |
| 11:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/community-ssu/pulseaudio-policy-enforcement/blob/master/doc/lyx/pulseaudio_policy_enforcement.lyx |
| 11:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: thanks! |
| 11:59.36 | Wikiwide | For now, I should contend myself with easier things, like making a bootup video, and a theme. Considering that ffmpeg on N900 doesn't write h.263 video, both of these undertakings require "a computer not a N900" |
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| 12:00.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | there she went |
| 12:00.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wikiwide: what happened? |
| 12:01.31 | jonwil | DocScrutinizer it looks like you should be able to get docs out of that repo, the repo certainly contains a makefile to turn that stuff into readable docs |
| 12:01.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw (as I already suspected or even knew) OHM is also involved in that shit |
| 12:02.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: no idea how |
| 12:02.02 | sixwheeledbeast | Also OMP has some settings that you can tweak RE "interruptions" notifications during playback, so check them out too if you try OMP |
| 12:04.31 | Wikiwide | DocScrutinizer: randomly disconnected WiFi. sixwheeledbeast: will check, but is it possible to write them as "plugins" for stock media player? |
| 12:06.45 | Pali | no, nothing is possible for stock media player |
| 12:06.47 | Wikiwide | Downloading OMP, so far. Ubuntu Humanity theme in App Manager is amazing. |
| 12:06.52 | Pali | it is closed/undocumented |
| 12:06.58 | Pali | reason why OMP was created |
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| 12:09.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/community-ssu/pulseaudio-policy-enforcement/blob/master/doc/lyx/pulseaudio_policy_enforcement.lyx#L145 to #L159 is pathetic. Some of the most important info parts simply empty stubs |
| 12:21.27 | bencoh | Wikiwide: don't we have dsp support for h.263? you could use gstreamer maybe |
| 12:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | h.263 should, yes. h.264 not, or only partially |
| 12:34.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
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| 12:45.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | err?! "/home/christian/n900/cssu-testing/policy-settings-rx51/policy-settings-rx51/rx51/policy/media_groups.pl" in /usr/share/policy/rules/rx51/policy.plc |
| 12:52.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/community-ssu/policy-settings-rx51/blob/master/rx51/policy/audio_volume.pl hmm, Prolog gibberish |
| 12:55.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/community-ssu/policy-settings-rx51/blob/master/rx51/policy/context.pl ACME Prolog gibberish |
| 12:56.28 | bencoh | we have h264 encoding support |
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| 13:05.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | h.264 baseline afaik |
| 13:05.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | could be wrong |
| 13:05.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | that h.* stuff is confusing |
| 13:08.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Manual_video_encoding >>The N900 supports AAC and H.264 up to Baseline 3.0 profile<< |
| 13:12.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6635 |
| 13:12.14 | povbot | 04Bug 6635: OpenMax returns error when trying to play an mp4 file with h264 video |
| 13:42.28 | APic\splat | Darn |
| 13:42.40 | APic\splat | Charging when powered off failed again |
| 13:42.42 | APic\splat | So i reflashed |
| 13:42.46 | APic\splat | Charging worked |
| 13:42.49 | APic\splat | Then installed BackupMenu |
| 13:42.56 | APic\splat | Charging when off stopped working again |
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| 13:43.18 | APic\splat | So now i will have to reinstall my Backup with BackupMenu, then uninstall BackupMenu, and hope charging when off will work again then â¹ |
| 13:44.14 | KotCzarny | maybe you have something in your backup that breaks it? |
| 13:44.40 | sixwheeledbeast | also which version of bm |
| 13:45.00 | APic\splat | Could be |
| 13:45.20 | APic\splat | But i did not reinstall Backup just yet |
| 13:45.43 | APic\splat | I just installed BackupMenu, and before Restoring i tried out Charging |
| 13:45.44 | APic\splat | And it failed |
| 13:46.23 | APic\splat | Well, could be that the microUSB-Jack has evil tottering Contact so it works randomly ;( |
| 13:47.06 | KotCzarny | use a sticky tape for testing ;) |
| 13:47.10 | APic\splat | BackupMenu Version 1.2.0 |
| 14:03.53 | APic\splat | Restored Backup, removed BackupMenu and âbootmenuâ, now it is charging again when off, but it seemed to boot into Charge-Mode like 3 Times |
| 14:04.25 | APic\splat | Maybe the Flash-Chip is generally having Issues⦠|
| 14:04.36 | APic\splat | And/or the microUSB-Jack |
| 14:04.42 | APic\splat | Whatever |
| 14:04.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't think of any possible way BM would break charging |
| 14:05.05 | APic\splat | Yup, that is probably just Voodoo-Placebo-Magic here ð |
| 14:05.28 | bencoh | poweredoff-charging* |
| 14:05.38 | sicelo | did you install u-boot? |
| 14:05.39 | bencoh | aka "actdead" mode, right? |
| 14:05.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh bencoh, you got a point there |
| 14:06.08 | bencoh | doesnt backupmenu change something in init process? |
| 14:06.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 14:06.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | blocks init when booting with slider open |
| 14:06.38 | APic\splat | I had U-Boot for Kernel-Power on my last working Setup |
| 14:06.52 | sicelo | i mean *now* |
| 14:06.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | blocking init means no BME |
| 14:07.07 | APic\splat | But now i did not install it again because i do not need Kernel-Power because i have my Nexus-5X for Tethering |
| 14:07.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | no BME -> no charging |
| 14:07.14 | APic\splat | Now i have no U-Boot, no |
| 14:07.55 | bencoh | APic\splat: is slider opened or closed when trying to charge from poweroff? |
| 14:08.10 | APic\splat | Closed |
| 14:08.17 | bencoh | s/from poweroff/in off state/ |
| 14:08.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe magnet defect? |
| 14:08.30 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: doubt it |
| 14:08.44 | bencoh | I mean, he would notice it |
| 14:08.52 | bencoh | (I guess?) |
| 14:09.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, easy to tell: when BM menu comes up with slider closed on boot, it's defect |
| 14:09.03 | APic\splat | Yah, when BackupMenu was installed the Boot-Menu only appeared with Slider open |
| 14:09.08 | APic\splat | Yup |
| 14:09.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 14:09.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | then I don't know |
| 14:10.00 | bencoh | does it work if you try removing BM? |
| 14:10.02 | sicelo | you're positively sure you have not restored any backup (even with the nokia/stock backup)? |
| 14:10.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | does it wake up when plugging in the charger? |
| 14:10.21 | APic\splat | bencoh: I removed BackupMenu and bootmenu, and now it is doing what i want |
| 14:10.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | it needs to boot nevertheless, even when in act_dead charging |
| 14:10.32 | bencoh | interesting |
| 14:11.08 | APic\splat | sicelo: Yes, i _did_ restore my Backup |
| 14:11.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | you *always* will notice at least the NOKIA screen from bootloader |
| 14:11.13 | sicelo | fwiw, i reflahsed my n900 during the week, and installed BM. no problem whatsoever |
| 14:11.25 | sicelo | ah .. |
| 14:11.26 | APic\splat | DocScrutinizer05: Yes, i know that |
| 14:11.42 | bencoh | waitamin... bootmenu? isn't this thing deprecated? |
| 14:11.45 | APic\splat | So now it is doing what i want, so i just hope it will keep to behave ð |
| 14:11.49 | sicelo | you backup has issues most likely. sixwheeledbeast already mentioned |
| 14:12.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you plugged in to a powered down device, it booted and then stopped (or didn't start) charging? How did you tell? |
| 14:12.21 | APic\splat | Man, it works now. Can we just stop this Discussion until something will break again? ð |
| 14:12.25 | sicelo | bootmenu is not deprecated. BM depends on in. you might be thinking of multiboot .. which is dep |
| 14:12.31 | bencoh | APic\splat: ^^ |
| 14:12.44 | bencoh | sicelo: maybe |
| 14:13.01 | APic\splat | DocScrutinizer05: When it was b0rk, it had now orange Light |
| 14:13.11 | APic\splat | s/now/no/ |
| 14:13.42 | APic\splat | (Or green when done) |
| 14:13.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware you can adjust that yellow light to your liking, from redblue flashing to no light at all? |
| 14:13.57 | sicelo | ~xy |
| 14:13.58 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#goal |
| 14:13.58 | APic\splat | Yes |
| 14:14.18 | sicelo | ~xyz |
| 14:14.37 | APic\splat | But i doubt the Flash-Chip had a Bit-Rot in exact that Location where the Light-Behaviour is configurend |
| 14:14.44 | APic\splat | s/configurend/configured/ |
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| 14:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt a bitrot could get restored to unrotten state by deinstalling any package |
| 14:16.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes no sense |
| 14:17.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm a big fan of BM, don't like it getting flamed for something it's most likely completely innocent |
| 14:18.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | also bug reports that "fixed themsekves" without proper analysis what caused the error are highly annoying |
| 14:18.42 | sicelo | next time you reflash, don't restored any backups via BM or osso-backup. install BM. then test for some time |
| 14:19.01 | sicelo | -d |
| 14:19.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's even a fiasco image with BM preinstalled :-) |
| 14:20.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img |
| 14:22.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | never tested that though |
| 14:22.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st told me it works |
| 14:23.51 | APic\splat | sicelo: Yup, will do that, but i hope it will just work without Reflashing ⺠|
| 14:24.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't recall when I last time reflashed my device |
| 14:25.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I reflashed a bazillion other devices, but not my daily phone |
| 14:26.43 | sicelo | i finally reflashed mine last week because i wsn't sure whether i had cruft corrupting my modem or not. turns out that the problem is not related. anyway, enjoying my "new" faster n900 |
| 14:27.20 | bencoh | faster? |
| 14:27.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh yeah, cleaning out stuff like el-v1.db can do wonders |
| 14:27.40 | bencoh | ah |
| 14:28.34 | sicelo | yes in that sense. |
| 14:30.06 | sicelo | my el-v1.db was small because i don't keep conversations as a general rule, but who knows what else i had accumulated. i elected to not restore my backups wholesale. i'm only restoring single files as the need comes up |
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| 14:30.17 | sicelo | should restore keymapping |
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| 14:33.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | nice approach |
| 14:33.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm regularly too lazy for such approach ;-) |
| 14:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | but we might eventually do a little fancy and write a cleanup script |
| 14:42.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | what I'm just doing this very moment though is not reflashing but recalibrating |
| 14:42.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | that script is pretty inconvenient, needs a cd path/to/bq27200.sh to work |
| 14:42.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | blames DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 15:59.57 | sixwheeledbeast | only a bad worker blames there tools |
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| 16:34.39 | KotCzarny | sometimes tools are really worn/bad quality ;) |
| 16:52.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes the toolmaker should have been more diligent |
| 16:53.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | with a tiny bit of effort, I could have made a decent app out of it |
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| 17:19.48 | sixwheeledbeast | I always say that "there" is the most important part of that well known saying. |
| 17:21.00 | sixwheeledbeast | If you have bad tools why are you still trying to do the job. Your first job is to get the right tools. An important point IMO |
| 17:21.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:21.45 | KotCzarny | unless you live in some remote area where there is nothing. not even good rocks |
| 17:21.53 | sixwheeledbeast | The more you think about it the more stuff you end up applying it to. |
| 17:23.01 | sixwheeledbeast | In that case your tools are the best you can get hold of, so why are you blaming them ;) |
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| 20:23.49 | Wikiwide | Stock Media Player isn't well documented, true. But there is mafw-grilo-source , for instance. Just, adding a media-source is likely a whole lot simpler than changing audio-policy-things. |
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| 20:52.41 | sixwheeledbeast | Some bits are open, there was a WONTFIX bug where community tried to get the closed bits opened. |
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| 22:12.55 | L29Ah | how's the main camera support in the newer kernel? i wonder why don't i see the driver in v4.9-n900 branch |
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