| 00:09.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! lemme try to find out what's missing, some option should make rsync do a bulk-rename of all copied files *after* the copy completed, instead of file-by-file |
| 00:09.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | --delete-after is part of it afaik |
| 00:12.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | -avogq really now? seems -v and -q are contradicting |
| 00:13.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and -a implies go |
| 00:13.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | -a, --archive archive mode; equals -rlptgoD (no -H,-A,-X) |
| 00:15.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | so -avogq is the same as -avq or even as -aq |
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| 00:19.04 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~lf ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
| 00:19.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe also --delete-delay |
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| 00:28.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | while that doesn't eliminate the window for race condition, it reduces its 'size' from several minutes or even hours to a few seconds |
| 00:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch out for storgae size though, it requires more for temporary files |
| 00:43.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually for all new / changed files, on top of all that's already there |
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| 01:18.16 | Oksanaa | Dust... Okay, I don't like python2.7 (I think that it doesn't properly advertise to python that it has 2.7 available now, besides 2.5), so I am converting firefox_decrypt.py (for displaying MicroB's passwords) to be compatible with python 2.5 (hopefully, without losing compatibility with later versions of python). |
| 01:19.16 | Oksanaa | And, it turns out that it would depend not only on python, but also on python-argparser and some kind of json (python-simplejson doesn't seem to work for it...) |
| 01:35.29 | Oksanaa | And, I hope that "xyz %s" % (variable) works in newer python, because "xyz {}".format(variable) doesn't work in older python |
| 01:38.10 | Maxdamantus | That `(variable)` bit seems suspicious .. is it meant to be `(variable,)`? |
| 01:38.38 | Oksanaa | Okay, no idea how this one website manages to remember my login... because it's not in the list of remembered passwords. Maybe, 1year-valid cookies |
| 01:38.49 | Maxdamantus | the former will probably work if `variable` is not iterable, the latter should always work. |
| 01:38.55 | Oksanaa | Maxdamantus: Nay, definitely without commas |
| 01:39.19 | Maxdamantus | Seems weird having the brackets then. |
| 01:39.54 | Oksanaa | Cannot be too sure about shape of brackets, because I use minimum font size in XTerminal. Sometimes it's like "xyz {0}".format(variable) |
| 01:41.33 | Oksanaa | Anyway, it worked now. Next steps: dump modified firefox_decrypt.py somewhere (it depends on python-argparse and python-simplejson), write down my passwords somewhere, move the password database file elsewhere (because MicroB doesn't actually seem to remember them), try to get MicroB remember a password (and display it in chrome://passwordmanagerso |
| 01:41.33 | Oksanaa | mething) |
| 01:54.24 | Oksanaa | Jolted down the passwords in my Notes document. Extremely unsafe, that's for sure ;-) |
| 02:36.15 | Maxdamantus | Probably safer than storing them in a browser, since that's where people are going to look for passwords. |
| 02:36.29 | Maxdamantus | unless there's some sort of master password. |
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| 06:52.49 | sicelo | so yes, 3G problem on N900 is mostly ISP, although clearly N900 modem doesn't handle the situation as well as other phones do (SGS4 for example) |
| 06:53.07 | sicelo | s/on/on my/ |
| 06:56.16 | sicelo | the 3G works a bit better during the daytime than in the evening |
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| 07:09.59 | Vajb | sicelo: time to pester ur service provider ;) |
| 07:10.33 | Vajb | sicelo: and im pestering my irssi provider. Perl script that used to work doesn't work anymore. |
| 07:10.46 | sicelo | i also think maybe the other phone 'cheat' - android being more chatty compared to maemo |
| 07:11.39 | Vajb | i saw someone else having same problem and he traced it to ur version being compiled against wrong perl version |
| 07:16.06 | sicelo | halftux it was. unfortunately i was busy with reflashing .. i never got a chance to read/understand the problem |
| 07:16.21 | sicelo | i'm also away from my machine |
| 07:16.55 | sicelo | but i wonder if it's wrong perl version .. we used scratcbox & autobuilder ... |
| 07:18.51 | Vajb | i wouldn't know. Only thing i do know is that script.pl that used to work with old version, does not with new :) |
| 07:19.26 | Vajb | but not a big problem since it was just "vibrate on highlight, if not away" |
| 07:19.52 | sicelo | halftux was going to look at it further ... but i could maybe also investigate over the weekend. which script is it |
| 07:20.38 | sicelo | tbh i don't use scripts at all :p |
| 07:20.39 | Vajb | i think u r better of just testing any script. This one is just ugle hack'n'slash till it works by me |
| 07:22.40 | Vajb | also i noticed a thing with telegram purple. It seems to crash if i lose connection while it tries to send message |
| 07:24.36 | freemangordon | sicelo: afaik, android browser preloads pages linked from the currently loaded page |
| 07:25.03 | Maxdamantus | I suspect for me N900 is fairly chatty, and I get those disconnections too. |
| 07:25.14 | Maxdamantus | well, dunno if it's more frequent than most. |
| 07:25.30 | freemangordon | n900 being chatty? I doubt |
| 07:25.36 | sicelo | definitely not chatty n900 - uses least data when idle |
| 07:25.51 | Maxdamantus | I run an ssh session all day attached to tmux that shoes the current time. |
| 07:25.59 | Maxdamantus | so it's updating at least once a minute. |
| 07:26.08 | Maxdamantus | probably more frequently than that because of keepalives. |
| 07:30.37 | Maxdamantus | (it's also by default always looking at the (status) window in irssi, so will see some of the window numbers changing colour occasionally) |
| 07:31.06 | freemangordon | Maxdamantus: still, iphbd will keep radio wakeups at minimum |
| 07:32.53 | Maxdamantus | So you're saying the TCP messages would be held by my ISP for long periods of time? |
| 07:33.24 | Maxdamantus | and they're sending the TCP ACKs themselves? |
| 07:34.50 | freemangordon | no, what I say is that iphbd tries to "gather" outgoing packets so to not wake-up radio for every single packet. |
| 07:35.18 | Maxdamantus | Right, I suspect most of the activity is incoming though. |
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| 07:36.03 | Sicelo009N | the lag so terrible .. even typing in ssh session does not work ok :-( |
| 07:36.21 | KotCzarny | sicelo: my usual fix: ping -s8 google.com |
| 07:36.39 | KotCzarny | keeps radio active, lag == minimal |
| 07:36.42 | freemangordon | Maxdamantus: look at https://github.com/community-ssu/iphb-dkms/blob/master/iphb.c |
| 07:37.08 | KotCzarny | but of course it's best to choose some first hop ip in your isp range |
| 07:38.47 | freemangordon | Maxdamantus: who sends keepalives to the device and at what interval? |
| 07:38.51 | Sicelo009N | max - by 'chatty' - i mean't traffic particularly at idle. droids connect to too many things and silencing them completely is not trivial |
| 07:39.22 | sicelo | still :-) |
| 07:39.23 | freemangordon | ...if possible at all |
| 07:39.41 | KotCzarny | sicelo: still, worth a try ;) |
| 07:39.54 | Sicelo009N | i've done that before. doesn't help |
| 07:40.18 | Sicelo009N | the network is just bad (quality-wise). |
| 07:40.21 | KotCzarny | bad droids, bad. |
| 07:40.25 | Maxdamantus | freemangordon: I'm not actually sure there are any keepalives going to the device, since there's always activity at least once a minute and I think keepalives are generally set to something infrequent in openssh. |
| 07:42.42 | freemangordon | Maxdamantus: so, what happens, most probably, is that usually you have radio wake-up only once a minute for a second or so and all the chatter is done within that second. |
| 07:42.47 | Maxdamantus | wonders how to show the keepalive for a current connection. |
| 07:42.58 | freemangordon | tcpdump |
| 07:43.26 | Maxdamantus | There should be a way to introspect the socket rather than monitoring a TCP dump. |
| 07:43.42 | Maxdamantus | I know the pid and fd. |
| 07:44.08 | freemangordon | no idea of any other way |
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| 07:46.49 | freemangordon | Maxdamantus: also, what is the problem with tcpdump? |
| 07:47.10 | KotCzarny | ethereal ? or whatever it's called now |
| 07:47.12 | KotCzarny | or nettop |
| 07:47.16 | Sicelo009N | Vajb: i see the scripts problem. ugly |
| 07:47.16 | freemangordon | wireshark :) |
| 07:47.51 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: but that's UI yoiu can use to inspect pcps from tcpdum |
| 07:47.56 | freemangordon | *you |
| 07:48.06 | freemangordon | omg |
| 07:48.25 | freemangordon | heads to the coffee machine |
| 07:50.38 | freemangordon | hopes the second coffee will improve his typing skills |
| 07:53.03 | freemangordon | Maxdamantus: use -o option of netstat |
| 07:57.08 | Vajb | Sicelo009N: nevertheless it used to work ;) |
| 07:58.33 | Maxdamantus | freemangordon: thanks. |
| 07:58.34 | Maxdamantus | keepalive (744.41/0/0) |
| 07:58.48 | Maxdamantus | wonders if that means 744 seconds |
| 07:59.07 | Maxdamantus | Oh, it's counting down. |
| 07:59.16 | Maxdamantus | Yeah, so 691 seconds until teh next keepalive. |
| 07:59.58 | Maxdamantus | Usually it will probably be higher, but I detached it from tmux when I got home. |
| 08:00.49 | Maxdamantus | Seems to actually be 7200 seconds. |
| 08:01.02 | Maxdamantus | 2 hours |
| 08:02.45 | freemangordon | Maxdamantus: that's system default |
| 08:04.32 | Sicelo009N | Vajb: i'll dig up halftux comment |
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| 08:06.15 | Maxdamantus | freemangordon: hm, so it is. I thought it was more frequent than that. |
| 08:07.06 | Sicelo009N | Vajb: what is your perl version? |
| 08:07.14 | freemangordon | Maxdamantus: yep, not that chatty :) . |
| 08:08.04 | Sicelo009N | :-) |
| 08:08.27 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: could you give me the link to mce brightness thread on TMO as it seems I lost the browser tab somehow. I need it to put it in the mce changelog |
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| 08:25.38 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: https://github.com/community-ssu/mce/commit/88a69e02c61e24aa272e1f63971e03424c051b09 |
| 08:26.24 | freemangordon | I will run it on my device for a while, if everything is ok, will put the fixewd package in cssu-devel |
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| 08:36.26 | Vajb | Sicelo009N: actually it seems i have none installed. How it can be? |
| 08:36.59 | Vajb | i have candidate 5.8.3 available, should i install? |
| 08:37.27 | Vajb | i think i never had it and still earlier version worked |
| 08:37.42 | Vajb | maybe problem lies somewhere else? |
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| 08:56.58 | sicelo | Vajb: perl-base ... should have it |
| 09:13.43 | Vajb | sicelo: 5.8.3 installed |
| 09:14.11 | Vajb | Installed: 5.8.3-3osso13+0m5 |
| 09:19.05 | Sicelo009N | ok. same as halftux and myself .. i wonder what version is in autobuilder (and which one i have in SB .. will check mine in the evening) |
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| 09:48.22 | ShadowJK | netstat -ta sometimes shows timers like keepalive |
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| 09:58.52 | Sicelo009N | Vajb: i've compared the earlier irssi i had compiled with this latest one. for some weird reason the new one doesn't have the perl modules which should get saved in /usr/lib/perl .. will have to look at the compile options again |
| 09:59.32 | Sicelo009N | at least now i know exactly what's wrong. fixing is a different story :-) |
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| 10:34.56 | Vajb | sicelo: could those be symlinked or moved to right places? |
| 10:35.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1388368 |
| 10:35.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2013-11-23.log.html#t2013-11-23T06:20:48 |
| 10:35.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2017-06-05.log.html |
| 10:37.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: can you send me the binary? |
| 10:49.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | dreamer: tcpdump? tshark! |
| 10:50.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, dreamer! freemangordon^^^ |
| 10:51.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | also sips his coffee |
| 10:52.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | tshark is the CLI version / remote-frontend for wireshark |
| 10:52.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | wireshark also can read tcpdump pcap dumps, but remote control works best with tshark |
| 10:55.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.wireshark.org/docs/man-pages/tshark.html |
| 10:58.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/24871861 could need an urgent update :-/ |
| 10:58.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 10:58.32 | infobot | methinks pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 10:58.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/tshark/ |
| 11:00.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | TShark 1.12.10 (Git Rev Unknown from unknown) Copyright 1998-2016 Gerald Combs is what my PC has |
| 11:00.44 | L29Ah | failed to communicate with old tshark so he used tcpdump piped over ssh |
| 11:00.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and *shark sure as hell seen quite some security fixes |
| 11:00.59 | L29Ah | wireshark can consume stdin |
| 11:02.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | @all: whoever is looking for getting his hands dirty with easy package building and maintenance: tshark is a fine candidate |
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| 11:07.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: yes, I know |
| 11:07.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | tshark just has more convenient syntax/filters |
| 11:08.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Without any options set, TShark will work much like tcpdump. It will use the pcap library to capture traffic from the first available network interface and displays a summary line on stdout for each received packet.<< |
| 11:12.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw a pity I only installed http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84753 saera yesterday first time ever |
| 11:16.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | installs just fine via HAM, imcl al dependencies |
| 11:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaikt |
| 11:16.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/k/c/ |
| 11:21.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73753&highlight=wireshark |
| 11:22.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | wireshark -k -i <(ssh -l root IroN900 tshark -w - -i phonet0 ) |
| 11:24.47 | L29Ah | i mean, modern wireshark can communicate with a remote stub to avoid moving around lots of data in case only a portion is filtered out at the ui |
| 11:25.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | that remote stub being tshark, no? |
| 11:27.04 | L29Ah | now i'm not sure |
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| 11:28.57 | L29Ah | ok it cannot do this, man sshdump(1) suggests it's as dumb as a pipe |
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| 11:39.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | sshdump? https://www.wireshark.org/docs/man-pages/ |
| 11:48.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird, why is the manpage missing? https://github.com/wireshark/wireshark/blob/master/doc/sshdump.pod |
| 11:54.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I fail to see the advantage of sshdump over a simple wireshark -i <(ssh host tshark), rather it looks terribly complicated |
| 11:55.12 | L29Ah | yeah |
| 11:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui it creates a virtual local interface mirroring a remote interface which wireshark can dump from |
| 11:56.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe needed for wireshark on windoof? |
| 11:57.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | but wait, it wouldn't even work on windoze |
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| 12:01.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway any brave soul taking maintainership of http://maemo.org/packages/view/wireshark/ and http://maemo.org/packages/view/tshark/ would earn eternal positive karma :-) |
| 12:02.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | since particularly tshark is CLI only, and the package already exists, an update should be a matter of 'minutes' without much if any patching needed |
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| 12:42.55 | Wikiwide | Darn... Went to firefox_decrypt.py on Github. It's already a different (somewhat) file. Okay, so I went and edited this different file again (three main points: with statement, Exception as e, and str.format()). Tested it on device, added fourth point (argparser and --version). Works on Python 2.5, send pull request. Tests... Fail 11 out of 16. One of 11 failed is actually --version, which requires research into argparser capabilitie |
| 12:42.57 | Wikiwide | s with Python 2.5 |
| 12:47.11 | Wikiwide | And on the way, added simplejson and argparser into python's list of requirements (no idea whether it's interacting with debian packages; does pip inform dpkg when yet another python dependency gets installed, or are the pip-installed dependencies "invisible" to dpkg and apt?) |
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| 13:21.36 | sicelo | ~bme |
| 13:21.36 | infobot | hmm... bme is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME |
| 13:36.05 | sicelo | ~bme-replacement |
| 13:36.05 | infobot | i heard bme-replacement is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html See also: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bme_replacement . Please, use wiki page to report bugs/problems and/or solutions to them!, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93183 |
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| 18:58.13 | sicelo | sixwheeledbeast: did you try out the permissions issue for cutenews? i can reproduce it on a fresh install |
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| 20:00.26 | sixwheeledbeast | sicelo: I changed it but I can't recall what wasn't working |
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| 21:53.37 | Wikiwide | Is it necessary for startup video to be 800x480, or can it be 854x480? |
| 21:54.46 | sixwheeledbeast | I hacked something in the .desktop file a while ago to get it working so I need to undone that. |
| 21:55.34 | sixwheeledbeast | However having removed cutenews I am now 403 on the repos, hmm |
| 22:00.13 | Wikiwide | While ffmpeg on N900 doesn't support writing h264 files, ssh-ing into a Linux computer works out well. |
| 22:03.48 | Wikiwide | I don't get it! 800x480 mp4 file, Media Player says format not supported. |
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| 22:06.28 | Wikiwide | What should I tell ffmpeg to get Media Player - compatible video? |
| 22:10.41 | sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: I can confirm that upon installation cutenews will not open, however after changing permissions as per your post it works again. |
| 22:15.59 | sixwheeledbeast | There is no widget tho can't remember when that broke |
| 22:25.01 | Wikiwide | -profile:v baseline -level 3.0 is the next option to try with ffmpeg |
| 22:25.54 | Wikiwide | Because currently it is high@3.1 |
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