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| 07:12.52 | L29Ah_ | xes: |
| 07:19.26 | APic\splat | Hi |
| 07:19.57 | APic\splat | My N900 works fine when powered up, but when it is off and i plug in the Charger, it reboots endlessly |
| 07:20.25 | APic\splat | What do i need to reflash to keep my System intact? |
| 07:20.44 | APic\splat | (But actually i made a Backup with Backupmenu, so it would be enough to keep MyDocsâ¦) |
| 07:23.20 | xes | L29Ah: ? |
| 07:24.26 | Maxdamantus | APic\splat: I have a feeling that might be to do with backupmenu itself, though I'm not familiar with it. |
| 07:25.00 | Maxdamantus | I think I just remember realising at some point that my boot process behaved strangely because of backupmenu. |
| 07:25.05 | APic\splat | Maxdamantus: But it charged fine for several Months now |
| 07:25.18 | KotCzarny | you have a virus |
| 07:25.21 | APic\splat | Ok |
| 07:25.23 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:25.30 | Maxdamantus | APic\splat: well, it doesn't normally stay off indefinitely while charging. |
| 07:25.37 | Maxdamantus | APic\splat: it usually boots into an "act dead" mode. |
| 07:25.40 | APic\splat | Probably i have Bitrot ð |
| 07:25.51 | sicelo | then you reflash roofs |
| 07:25.51 | APic\splat | I know |
| 07:25.57 | APic\splat | ktnx |
| 07:26.04 | KotCzarny | or you have installed something and it only showed up recently |
| 07:26.29 | APic\splat | Whatever |
| 07:26.33 | Maxdamantus | afaik, it will only charge at 100 mA or something when powered off, so the hardware automatically boots and the software then pretends it's off while it charges at a normal rate. |
| 07:26.34 | APic\splat | will go jogging now |
| 07:26.40 | APic\splat | And later try reflashing rootfs |
| 07:26.49 | APic\splat | If You Gals/Guys will not come up with a better Hint ð |
| 07:26.51 | APic\splat | Thanks |
| 07:26.52 | APic\splat | & |
| 07:27.11 | KotCzarny | try removing bm then |
| 07:28.47 | APic\splat | Will that Process automagically reflash rootfs? |
| 07:28.50 | APic\splat | cul8r |
| 07:29.19 | Maxdamantus | Removing backupmenu with apt won't reflash. |
| 07:29.44 | Maxdamantus | Though maybe you've got a different idea of what reflashing is. |
| 07:29.46 | sicelo | backupmenu doesn't flash anything at all. u-boot does |
| 07:30.08 | Maxdamantus | u-boot reflashes? O_o |
| 07:30.18 | Maxdamantus | Oh, you mean installing u-boot. |
| 07:30.47 | sicelo | i mean that installing/uninstalling u-boot involves flashing of a kernel |
| 07:31.03 | Maxdamantus | really hates that idea. |
| 07:31.15 | Maxdamantus | has avoided installing kernels/uboot through apt. |
| 07:31.32 | KotCzarny | power kernel without bm/uboot is fine |
| 07:31.36 | Maxdamantus | The proper thing to do would be for apt to install something that *then* lets you flash. |
| 07:32.04 | Maxdamantus | eg, apt-get install flasher uboot && flasher uboot-20170615 |
| 07:32.16 | Maxdamantus | Should be something like that. |
| 07:32.19 | KotCzarny | i just hope that uninstalling pk rewrites proper kernel there |
| 07:32.36 | Maxdamantus | It might already be, dunno. I've always just flashed them manually over USB. |
| 07:32.53 | Maxdamantus | I hope that uninstalling a package *DOESN'T* rewrite a kernel. |
| 07:33.11 | Maxdamantus | It should only rewrite a kernel if you run a command that indicates you want to rewrite a kernel. |
| 07:33.26 | Maxdamantus | Flashing shouldn't be performed at the mercy of a package manager. |
| 07:34.05 | Maxdamantus | How would it even know what to rewrite back? |
| 07:34.25 | Maxdamantus | It's not like the packages are maintained as a stack of operations. |
| 07:34.27 | KotCzarny | yup it should depend on some kernel-manager package |
| 07:34.32 | sicelo | well .. it doesn't flash. it calls flasher/softupd, whatever. |
| 07:34.38 | Maxdamantus | apt-get install power-kernel && apt-get install uboot && apt-get remove uboot |
| 07:35.00 | KotCzarny | and all packages that want to write in the bootloader are should depend on it |
| 07:35.13 | KotCzarny | but someone would have to write such app |
| 07:35.27 | sicelo | apt doesn't flash itself |
| 07:35.27 | Maxdamantus | and the user should actually invoke the app, not the package manager. |
| 07:35.34 | Maxdamantus | The package manager should only install it, not flash. |
| 07:35.44 | sicelo | it does ask for confirmation .. |
| 07:36.25 | Maxdamantus | tbh, I really hate the way Debian handles this sort of stuff just on a normal system. |
| 07:37.06 | Maxdamantus | I have to keep backups of my grub configuration because occasionally when running `apt-get upgrade` it will just rewrite over my manually written one. |
| 07:37.31 | Maxdamantus | and afaict, there's no clean way to disable that automatic updating behaviour. |
| 07:37.46 | sicelo | package manager does not flash at all. you cn install a kernel and not allow the flasher process to go through (n900) |
| 07:38.17 | Maxdamantus | Good. |
| 07:38.36 | Maxdamantus | I wish upgrading grub on a normal debian system behaved like that. |
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| 08:37.49 | APic\splat | It is still charging |
| 08:37.54 | APic\splat | (Or at least it pretends that ð) |
| 08:38.06 | APic\splat | So first Thing i will try, deinstall BackupMenu |
| 08:38.10 | APic\splat | If that does not help, reflash root⦠|
| 08:38.20 | KotCzarny | and maybe reinstall power kernel? |
| 08:41.14 | sicelo | backupmenu is definitely going to not have any effect. |
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| 08:43.01 | APic\splat | Ok |
| 08:43.06 | APic\splat | Then just reinstall Kernel-Power |
| 08:43.56 | APic\splat | hopes is has gotten no Hardware-Defect in the Charging-Circuit? |
| 08:44.08 | APic\splat | It is powered on now, and on Computer-USB |
| 08:44.17 | APic\splat | Will it charge faster on direct Power-Outlet? |
| 08:45.49 | sicelo | yes. wall charger alwys best |
| 08:45.54 | APic\splat | Good |
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| 08:47.15 | APic\splat | Ah |
| 08:47.20 | APic\splat | Now the Light is green |
| 08:47.23 | APic\splat | Charged ð |
| 08:47.33 | APic\splat | goes to Shower and will then try reinstall Kernel-Power |
| 08:47.41 | APic\splat | Actually i do not need Kernel-Power anymoar at all currently |
| 08:47.50 | APic\splat | Because i got a Nexus-5X to tether |
| 08:48.25 | Maxdamantus | I doubt it has to do with kernel-power |
| 08:49.05 | APic\splat | â¹ |
| 08:49.12 | Maxdamantus | sicelo: why would it have no effect? afair it has an effect on the boot process. |
| 08:49.15 | APic\splat | Probably need to reflash rootfs at Minimum, yah |
| 08:49.28 | Maxdamantus | can't remember exactly what it did. |
| 08:49.39 | KotCzarny | since you are going to reflash anyway, you can try anything |
| 08:53.11 | Maxdamantus | I remember for me it had some undesirable behaviour WRT whether the slide was in or out. I had never actually used it for anything. |
| 08:53.36 | Maxdamantus | Seems like the sort of thing that would mess up the "act dead" mechanism. |
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| 08:56.52 | Maxdamantus | Yeah, looking at preinit, the "act dead" mechanism involves running init with a different runlevel. |
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| 08:57.18 | Maxdamantus | so if you've got something that happens before init, which aiui is what backupmenu does, that could interfere. |
| 08:57.48 | Maxdamantus | ACT_DEAD) def_runlevel=5 |
| 09:01.35 | Maxdamantus | actually, it's bootmenu that's the thing that runs on boot, not backupmenu. |
| 09:02.29 | Maxdamantus | which I think is meant to kind of go together with backupmenu. |
| 09:06.12 | APic\splat | KotCzarny: True |
| 09:07.04 | Maxdamantus | imo try uninstalling bootmenu, or just moving /bootmenu.sh to have a different name. |
| 09:07.09 | KotCzarny | also, kp reinstall might overwrite uboot anyway |
| 09:07.35 | Maxdamantus | mv /bootmenu.sh /notbootmenu.sh |
| 09:07.45 | Maxdamantus | Then preinit won't be able to find it. |
| 09:08.12 | APic\splat | Maxdamantus: Okay, i will try that first |
| 09:10.47 | Maxdamantus | Hmm .. although it looks like preinit will only execute bootmenu.sh if the slide is open. Do you know if you have the issue if the slide is closed? |
| 09:11.30 | APic\splat | I think i have the Loop with both Slide open and closed |
| 09:11.37 | APic\splat | Powered it down now and attached Charger |
| 09:13.03 | APic\splat | It is still looping. â¹ |
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| 09:13.40 | APic\splat | And i still get an U-Boot-Boot-Menu with Slide open |
| 09:13.50 | APic\splat | U-Boot is something else than bootmenu.sh, eh? |
| 09:13.57 | Maxdamantus | Yes. |
| 09:14.05 | APic\splat | Yup, bootmenu is the BackupMenu |
| 09:14.09 | APic\splat | This one does not show now |
| 09:14.18 | APic\splat | So what to try next? Uninstall Kernel-Power? |
| 09:14.39 | Maxdamantus | Do you have fbcon loaded when booting? |
| 09:14.51 | APic\splat | Uh |
| 09:14.53 | APic\splat | Looks like it |
| 09:14.57 | APic\splat | sees the Penguin-Logo |
| 09:15.08 | APic\splat | will move bootmenu.sh back |
| 09:15.14 | Maxdamantus | Do you see text scrolling down while booting? |
| 09:15.17 | KotCzarny | penguin? what penguin? o.O |
| 09:15.26 | APic\splat | Maxdamantus: Yes |
| 09:15.33 | APic\splat | KotCzarny: The Linux-Penguin, Dude!@ |
| 09:15.34 | APic\splat | -@ |
| 09:15.40 | bencoh | tux! |
| 09:15.42 | APic\splat | Yup |
| 09:15.57 | APic\splat | But when booting into Charge-Mode, the Display is not lit |
| 09:15.59 | KotCzarny | i see no penguins on my n900, you must be hallucinating :P |
| 09:16.01 | Maxdamantus | From the kernel, not from u-boot. |
| 09:16.03 | APic\splat | So i only see a very faint Penguin then |
| 09:16.09 | APic\splat | And cannot make out the Kernel-Messages |
| 09:16.16 | Maxdamantus | u-boot seems to show Tux. I don't think kernel-power does. |
| 09:16.20 | KotCzarny | use flashlight |
| 09:16.21 | APic\splat | k |
| 09:16.27 | KotCzarny | it should be enough to make it readable |
| 09:17.03 | APic\splat | will try to remove Kernel-Power now |
| 09:17.12 | APic\splat | If it will still loop, i will try to decipher the Messages ð |
| 09:17.17 | Maxdamantus | I suspect you don't have fbcon enabled and the text will just be from u-boot. |
| 09:17.25 | Maxdamantus | (and the penguin) |
| 09:17.41 | APic\splat | Probably |
| 09:17.54 | Maxdamantus | To enable fbcon you can add it to the `FS_MODULES` string in preinit |
| 09:18.31 | APic\splat | Will i see Messages instead of the ···· then? |
| 09:21.55 | APic\splat | Maxdamantus: Where is âpreinitâ |
| 09:22.14 | APic\splat | Now with âkernel-powerâ uninstalled it looks like it is charging without looping again when off ð |
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| 09:25.55 | Maxdamantus | Eh, damn Intel wifi driver. |
| 09:26.23 | Maxdamantus | forgot to stop running hostapd on startup. |
| 09:27.00 | Maxdamantus | Apparently just having my alternative N900 connect to the access point kills my system. |
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| 10:42.55 | sicelo | you were probably loading a kernel whose modules you did not have |
| 10:43.36 | sicelo | what did you install uboot, bootmenu, and backupmenu for? |
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| 10:47.00 | APic\splat | lol, fuck |
| 10:47.19 | APic\splat | The Light was green (â fully charged), and i accidentally pulled the Trigger-Button |
| 10:47.30 | APic\splat | Now it cycle-loops again |
| 10:47.35 | APic\splat | Ah |
| 10:47.35 | APic\splat | no |
| 10:47.40 | sicelo | what button is that? |
| 10:47.44 | APic\splat | Ah |
| 10:47.44 | APic\splat | Yes |
| 10:47.45 | APic\splat | Fuck |
| 10:48.10 | APic\splat | The one at the right Side near the Audio-Jack |
| 10:48.20 | APic\splat | Okay, so i will finally reflash rootfs⦠|
| 10:48.39 | sicelo | and don't install uboot |
| 10:48.47 | sicelo | after the reflash, that is |
| 10:49.13 | sicelo | not that there is a proble with u-boot (i use it), but it's something y ou install for specific reasons |
| 10:49.32 | APic\splat | â¹ |
| 10:50.07 | APic\splat | ~flahser |
| 10:50.09 | APic\splat | ~flasher |
| 10:50.09 | infobot | refer ~flashing; http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz; list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 10:50.15 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 10:50.15 | infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing |
| 10:50.17 | sicelo | you can install bakupmenu (which is generally highly recommended) without instaling uboot. |
| 10:50.25 | APic\splat | Good |
| 10:51.07 | APic\splat | ~flashing-cmdline |
| 10:51.07 | infobot | somebody said flashing-cmdline was http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/ |
| 10:53.10 | APic\splat | Whoah |
| 10:53.13 | APic\splat | Long Time no Flash |
| 10:53.28 | APic\splat | So âflash-it-all.shâ will flash much moar than the rootfs, right? |
| 10:53.43 | APic\splat | will check http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 10:53.54 | APic\splat | You don't have permission to access /Updating_the_tablet_firmware on this server. â¹ |
| 10:53.59 | KotCzarny | download it and check the script contents |
| 10:54.02 | APic\splat | k |
| 10:56.24 | APic\splat | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.28 | APic\splat | kkk |
| 10:56.41 | APic\splat | So i just need to answer right to the Question ð |
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| 10:57.36 | KotCzarny | do you need help with that? |
| 10:58.01 | APic\splat | does not need Help with entering âNOâ, nope ð |
| 10:59.32 | APic\splat | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.37 | APic\splat | Wrong Paste |
| 10:59.42 | APic\splat | Finishing flashing... done |
| 10:59.43 | APic\splat | ð |
| 10:59.56 | APic\splat | crosses Thumbs |
| 11:01.56 | APic\splat | Okay, booting |
| 11:02.21 | APic\splat | Do i need to restore my BackupMenu-Backup then? |
| 11:02.30 | APic\splat | Or were my Settings not flashed over? |
| 11:02.39 | APic\splat | And Apps, Contacts and whatever⦠|
| 11:06.55 | APic\splat | Ok, booted ð |
| 11:11.33 | APic\splat | Seems like i need BackupMenu to restore my Stuffs now |
| 11:13.45 | APic\splat | Mh |
| 11:14.16 | APic\splat | âsudo gainrootâ says i need to activate R&D |
| 11:14.24 | APic\splat | But if i leech ârootshâ i do not need to, right? |
| 11:14.31 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 11:14.59 | APic\splat | will just install BackupMenu now |
| 11:15.18 | APic\splat | Then my rootsh and other Apps should appear again after Restore ⺠|
| 11:15.29 | APic\splat | Argh |
| 11:15.37 | APic\splat | Missing: liblzo2-2 |
| 11:15.42 | APic\splat | So i guess i need a Console =] |
| 11:15.51 | APic\splat | Or just another Catalogue? |
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| 11:17.07 | APic\splat | Okay, âsudo gainrootâ works now |
| 11:17.24 | APic\splat | will power off and check whether it actually enters Charging-Mode without Looping now⦠|
| 11:19.00 | APic\splat | Yup, looks good ð |
| 11:19.18 | APic\splat | Now i will google how to solve the missing liblzo2-2 for BackupMenu⦠|
| 11:19.40 | KotCzarny | could be in extras or extras-devel |
| 11:22.05 | APic\splat | k |
| 11:22.48 | APic\splat | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67866 â Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist. |
| 11:23.10 | APic\splat | My Home-IP: 185.17.207.192 |
| 11:23.24 | APic\splat | ~sources |
| 11:23.24 | infobot | I guess you mean the handhelds sources, see http://handhelds.org/sources.html |
| 11:25.09 | KotCzarny | apic: can you cycle your ip? assuming it's dynamic |
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| 11:25.23 | APic\splat | Yup |
| 11:25.25 | APic\splat | brb |
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| 11:29.40 | APic\splat | Good |
| 11:29.46 | APic\splat | Now the Link is working ð |
| 11:49.39 | APic\splat | Whoah |
| 11:49.45 | APic\splat | Finally got liblzo2-2 installed |
| 11:49.55 | APic\splat | Now installing BackupMenu ð |
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| 11:53.41 | APic\splat | Restoring Backups |
| 11:53.46 | APic\splat | crosses Thumbs again |
| 11:54.01 | APic\splat | lol |
| 11:54.43 | APic\splat | âgtar: ./etc/hildon-application-manager: time stamp 2019-01-06 02:52:09 is 49215459.565429794 s in the futureâ |
| 11:54.50 | APic\splat | Errors: 3 |
| 11:55.02 | APic\splat | Hopefully will not happen much moar often⦠|
| 11:57.48 | APic\splat | Errors: 5 |
| 11:57.54 | APic\splat | But still only Timestamp-Foo⦠|
| 12:02.01 | APic\splat | yay ð |
| 12:02.04 | APic\splat | Successfully restored |
| 12:02.06 | APic\splat | *purrrrrrrrrrr* ð¸ |
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| 12:11.46 | APic\splat | Thanks to all of You who helped me out. ð |
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| 13:00.20 | sicelo | i am surprised that core maemo system does not include python. i thought that was the case |
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| 17:42.09 | sicelo | is there an ongoing issue with extras-devel repo? i cannot refresh it |
| 17:47.48 | sicelo | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz |
| 17:47.57 | sicelo | gunzip can't process that file |
| 17:48.36 | KotCzarny | works fine on slackware |
| 17:48.48 | KotCzarny | maybe your download was interrupted? |
| 17:49.07 | sicelo | please try on n900 |
| 17:51.02 | sicelo | i'm switching the -devel entry to 'fremantle-1.3' instead of just fremantle |
| 17:51.35 | sicelo | might be the solution, although according to wiki they should all be the same. |
| 17:55.56 | KotCzarny | my n900 is charging now, btw. did gzip -d work on that file? |
| 17:57.30 | sicelo | already deleted it. |
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| 23:15.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: repo fremantle-1.2 been mirrored from fremantle back when fremantle-1.3 rolled out but wasn't compatible for a very few apps. Fremantle-1.3 been created as a symlink to (rolling) fremantle, so eventually we could do same as fremantle-1.2 for 1.3 when 1.4 would come. Now the crux: prolly during server migration when maemo ownership was transferred to community, it seems the fremantle-1.3 symlink was converted to a copy (that's what |
| 23:15.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | happens when you don't do rsync but wget or the like to get an image of a server). So odds are nowadays fremantle-1.3 and fremantle are not in sync anymore, and it's basically up to anybody's guess which of them is the more recent one - until somebody fixes that issue. Maybe I'm wrong and somebody already did fix it |
| 23:22.50 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: iirc it was fixed |
| 23:23.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | then there mustn't be a difference between http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz and the fremantle-1.3 equivalent |
| 23:23.49 | freemangordon | is there? |
| 23:23.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | see above |
| 23:24.08 | freemangordon | checks on stage |
| 23:25.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | diff <(wget http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz) <(wget http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle-1,3/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz) ? |
| 23:25.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ('synthesized' the second URL) |
| 23:26.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway temporary "corruptions" of Packages.* are also not unheard of |
| 23:26.54 | freemangordon | on the server, /var/repository/live/extras-devel/live/ fremantle-1.3 is a symlink to fremantle |
| 23:26.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | there must be a race in autobuilder somewhere |
| 23:27.07 | freemangordon | it is rsynced |
| 23:27.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 23:27.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh wait |
| 23:27.32 | freemangordon | afaik, ofc :) |
| 23:27.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | rsync missing a --delete-after or somesuch? |
| 23:27.59 | freemangordon | no idea, it was a while I looked at the scripts |
| 23:28.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | not as lonfg as me |
| 23:28.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I faintly recall BFS-mounts that gave me headache |
| 23:28.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | NFS* |
| 23:29.40 | freemangordon | I can;t even recall where those scripts were located, and I am too tired to look for them now :) |
| 23:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | while in theory I could, I don't touch that stuff anymore since that would make some people angry or nervous |
| 23:31.20 | freemangordon | rsync -avogq --delete /var/repository/staging/${suite}/pool/${dist}/ /var/repository/live/${suite}/pool/${dist}/ |
| 23:31.39 | freemangordon | rsync -avogq --delete /var/repository/staging/${suite}/dists/${dist}/ /var/repository/live/${suite}/dists/${dist}/ |
| 23:32.15 | freemangordon | anyway, I am going to have some sleep |
| 23:32.18 | freemangordon | night |
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