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| 16:26.57 | Enrico_Menotti | Hello. I decided to try to run Hildon on Devuan on my laptop. Probably that's quite mad, but I'm just trying to understand the dipendencies. I installed hildon-theme-cacher_0.4.3-1-recomp1_i386.deb, libglib2.0-0_2.20.3-1maemo5+0m5_i386.deb, and tried with libgtk2.0-0_2.14.7-1maemo33+0m5_i386.deb (all found at http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/). When I do dpkg -i libgtk..., I get this error: |
| 16:26.59 | Enrico_Menotti | hildon-theme-cacher: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: hildon_g_scanner_cache_open |
| 16:27.57 | Enrico_Menotti | I had a look around and found this symbol to be specific for certain Maemo versions. But I haven't been able to manage to get the right versions in order to avoid this error. Anybody knows anything about this? |
| 16:33.57 | KotCzarny | looks like you have to use fmg's gtk too |
| 16:40.39 | sixwheeledbeast | search suggests you may need maemo glibc? |
| 16:41.11 | Enrico_Menotti | glibc? I didn't find hints in this direction. Let me check. |
| 16:41.19 | sixwheeledbeast | https://github.com/community-ssu/glibc |
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| 16:41.47 | KotCzarny | maybe you meant glib, not glibc ? |
| 16:43.06 | sixwheeledbeast | glib yep sorry |
| 16:43.27 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah ok. |
| 16:44.02 | freemangordon | Enrico_Menotti: you'd better use "my" hildon etc port |
| 16:44.31 | Enrico_Menotti | Hi freemangordon ! Thanks for joining the discussion! :) |
| 16:45.09 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I was just trying to understand what happens with the stock Maemo packages. |
| 16:45.30 | freemangordon | "what happens" in what regard? |
| 16:46.32 | Enrico_Menotti | I mean, I don't know exactly how the Hildon stack works, yet. So I was trying to do something with the stock packages before going to your port. |
| 16:46.51 | bencoh | they probably just wont be supported and source packages will need to be rebuilt (and ported in some cases) |
| 16:47.00 | freemangordon | you won;t be able to use stock packages on devuan |
| 16:47.12 | freemangordon | bencoh: :nod: |
| 16:47.28 | Enrico_Menotti | I expected some problems, indeed. But the error I reported seemed to me a conflict between two Maemo packages, not with standard Devuan packages. |
| 16:47.59 | Enrico_Menotti | Anyway, I will gladly give up with stock Maemo. |
| 16:48.55 | Enrico_Menotti | freemangordon But I'd need some help in starting with your port. |
| 16:49.45 | freemangordon | what kind of help? |
| 16:50.05 | freemangordon | basically you have to clone the source code and build it |
| 16:50.24 | freemangordon | some stuff like themes is not there, but can be found on the inet |
| 16:51.08 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes, ok. Let me go back to your thread and your repository, I will ask more precise questions, ok? |
| 16:51.26 | freemangordon | ok |
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| 16:54.52 | Enrico_Menotti | So, my starting point would be http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96800&highlight=hildon&page=18. |
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| 16:55.37 | Enrico_Menotti | I didn't read all the replies to that thread, but first I'd like to understand whether this is applicable to gtk2, or gtk3 only, and where to start from. |
| 16:56.10 | freemangordon | Enrico_Menotti: https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2 |
| 16:56.21 | freemangordon | first build and install gtk2 from there |
| 16:56.57 | freemangordon | then clone hildon-desktop and try to build it. initially it will fail, but you'll have the list of all the needed dependencies |
| 16:57.30 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok. Just one more question. If I got it right, the stack goes like X11 -> gtk+ -> Hildon. Please correct me if I am wrong, and let me know further layers, if any. |
| 16:57.48 | freemangordon | yes, there is clutter |
| 16:57.58 | freemangordon | for hildon-desktop |
| 16:59.11 | Enrico_Menotti | So clutter is a package in-between gtk+ and Hildon-desktop? |
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| 16:59.55 | freemangordon | no, clutter is a package between hildon-desktop and opengl drivers |
| 17:01.57 | Enrico_Menotti | Mhmmm I'd need a drawing :) . For now let me try building gtk2, then let's see what happens. |
| 17:02.27 | sicelo | there should be one on the wiki somewhere |
| 17:03.17 | Enrico_Menotti | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture ? |
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| 17:20.58 | Enrico_Menotti | Ufff... I played a bit too much with Maemo packages. Seems my Devuan system on the laptop is a bit broken. I fear it's time to reinstall it, it'd be cleaner and faster, I think. So I will do this task, then try to build gtk+ and hildon-desktop. See you later... :/ |
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| 19:09.47 | Vajb | is there support for chromecast for maemo? |
| 19:11.15 | sicelo | very doubtful :) |
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| 19:16.57 | Vajb | hehe, had to ask anyway. Coz gf bought it. Would be nice show off for maemo to have it :) |
| 19:19.11 | Sicelo009N | the tech is way newer than the N900 |
| 19:20.10 | Vajb | i know. Only thing older is my car... |
| 19:20.23 | KotCzarny | i'm older than n900! |
| 19:21.01 | Vajb | oh yeah me too |
| 19:21.40 | KotCzarny | i think even oscp is older than n900, though it had different name then |
| 19:23.12 | Vajb | oh, i thought u made it for n900 |
| 19:23.23 | KotCzarny | nah, it's as old as 2003 |
| 19:23.34 | KotCzarny | for n900 i just packaged it nicely |
| 19:23.47 | Sicelo009N | not forgetting that chromecast depends on google features we definitly have no support of in maemo |
| 19:23.48 | KotCzarny | and added maemo specific parts |
| 19:24.19 | Vajb | oh. It needs oscp xp update :) |
| 19:24.34 | KotCzarny | it already runs on windoze ;) |
| 19:24.46 | KotCzarny | both core and remotes |
| 19:25.59 | Vajb | chromecast is somekind of wlan hotspot or something? |
| 19:26.13 | KotCzarny | more like vnc |
| 19:26.18 | KotCzarny | i think |
| 19:27.24 | Vajb | so in theory one could access to it via wpa suplicant? |
| 19:29.10 | Sicelo009N | chromecast? not really - from what i know it has a proprietary protocol |
| 19:30.10 | Vajb | hmm i think i need to read about it. So far all i've heard r praises of how magnificant it is. |
| 19:35.48 | Sicelo009N | if you could get chrome on N900 ... perhaps then |
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| 19:46.38 | Vajb | i saw there was some progress with sailfish, but probably that wont help |
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| 19:49.12 | sicelo | progress with chromecast? |
| 19:50.54 | Vajb | maybe progress is too optimistic word, it showed up in wlan :) |
| 19:51.43 | Sicelo009N | i'm sure picking it up will be easy |
| 19:52.14 | Sicelo009N | the hard part will be to actually do something - 'talk' to it - that's where you need the protocol |
| 19:53.00 | Vajb | somehow i have a feeling that n900 isn't going to stream audio over wlan by default |
| 19:53.29 | Vajb | maybe only thing we need is oscp chromecast plugin ;) |
| 19:53.53 | Sicelo009N | wrong on your feeling :p |
| 19:55.07 | Sicelo009N | remember we ARE dlna/upnp compliant (client) |
| 19:55.12 | Vajb | oh, then we just need to stream in a way that shows through chromecast |
| 19:55.40 | Vajb | hmm it was mentioned as upnp client (chromecast) |
| 19:56.10 | Vajb | or is it more like host... |
| 19:57.36 | Sicelo009N | it should be more a client |
| 19:58.00 | Sicelo009N | the 'source' would be the device |
| 19:58.50 | Sicelo009N | so if you want to try, set up N900 as upnp/dlna server ... i doubt you'll achieve much, but hey! i might be proved wrong :-) |
| 19:59.40 | Vajb | who knows, i'd like to do it just as proof of concept :) |
| 19:59.55 | Vajb | but im afraid im way over my head there |
| 20:01.08 | Vajb | and as playing from my device is as hard as plugging 3.5mm audio cable to it, so... |
| 20:01.22 | Sicelo009N | by the way i've never used (or seen in real life) a chromecast device ... but reading about them i couldn't help but noticed the very tight integration they have with google services. on pcs you almost can only use them with chrome browser, nothing else |
| 20:03.21 | Vajb | maybe there is some omen in the name |
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| 20:52.29 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I have again a clean Devuan system on my laptop. Now I can start again playing with gtk+ (this time from freemangordon's repository.) :) |
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| 21:15.06 | Enrico_Menotti | I cloned https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/gtk. I know it's my fault and I'm still inexpert, but I don't figure out how to build it. Sorry. :/ |
| 21:17.47 | Enrico_Menotti | Is it debhelper? |
| 21:22.27 | inz | I think you'll need Gtk+ 2.24.31 source, place the debian/ dir from the repo in it and run fakeroot debian/rules build |
| 21:24.40 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah. Really unexpected here. I expected to find the sources there. |
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| 22:01.14 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I explored a bit the gtk+ repository, and freemangordon's. In the former, there is indeed a debian/ directory. Some files seem to be replaced by the debian/ dir in the other repository. But what for the others? And, in order to build, may I use the autogen.sh? I am a bit confused. |
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