IRC log for #maemo on 20170511

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00:30.47*** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~lf ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet
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00:59.45WikiwideA question: is Chromium in maemo repositories? If not, why - weren't patent disputes settled already?
01:08.19MaxdamantusI don't think it has to do with patent issues.
01:08.50MaxdamantusThere is a really old package somewhere that came from Debian.
01:09.47MaxdamantusAccording to the Debian mailing list, they removed that package at some point (from arm) because it was hard to compile and noone could be bothered maintaining it.
01:10.52WikiwideThere was a Council notice aeons ago that Nokia decided, to be on the safe side, to remove Chromium from repositories because of patents. https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55762
01:12.44WikiwideAnd yes, being hard to compile is a reasonable explanation as to why it's not in the repositories atm.
01:13.58WikiwideAlso, since hildon-application-manager is in free repository... Does it get improvements with time? Because I don't want to use Qt-based Faster Application Manager.
01:15.33MaxdamantusWeird, didn't know about that incident.
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09:11.53sixwheeledbeastHAM has had updates as part of CSSU
09:11.58sixwheeledbeast~speedyHAM
09:11.58infobotSpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb.  SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU now
09:15.15sixwheeledbeastlistkeys speedyHAM
09:15.27sixwheeledbeast~listkeys speedyham
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09:17.30sixwheeledbeastspeedyham
09:17.35sixwheeledbeast~speedyham
09:17.36infobot[speedyham] 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU.
09:18.04sixwheeledbeastI am not awake today...
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10:42.29siceloi don't know about 30 times
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11:00.05sixwheeledbeast*Disclaimer - results may vary
11:01.18sixwheeledbeastIt is considerably faster at most tasks
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12:21.44sicelo:)
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14:54.00DocScrutinizer0530 times is what I measured in my (arguably fsckup) repo config
14:54.17DocScrutinizer05actually IIRC it was >30, like 32 or somesuch
14:54.53DocScrutinizer05reduced loading time form 16 minutes to 30s IIRC
14:54.58DocScrutinizer05from*
14:55.42DocScrutinizer05of course when you get a loading time of only 2 minutes with old dog slow HAM, your overhead in runtime will spoil the speedup ratio
14:58.06DocScrutinizer05~factinfo speedyham
14:58.06infobotspeedyham -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Thu Mar 13 22:28:34 2014 (1154 days); last modified 5h 40m 50s ago  by sixwheeledbeast!~zem@2a01:4f8:c17:101::2; it has been requested 54 times, last by sixwheeledbeast, 5h 40m 31s ago.
14:59.33DocScrutinizer05~literal speedyham
14:59.33infobot"speedyham" is "30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU."
15:00.03DocScrutinizer05~listkeys speedyham
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15:00.31DocScrutinizer05~unforget speedyham
15:00.31infobotcannot undeleted 'speedyham' because it already exists!, DocScrutinizer05
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16:36.50freemangordonparazyd: Wizzup: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1527920&postcount=173
16:36.59freemangordonhow's amprolla going?
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16:48.38Wizzupfreemangordon: sweet @ thread!
16:48.55Wizzupfreemangordon: it's ... going. I am going to work on it tonight and see if I can get done what parazyd asked me to finish
16:49.10WizzupI don't know how far we are from a working amprolla2 then, but I hope not far.
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17:02.39Enrico_MenottiHello. Does anybody know where the X11 settings are, on Maemo?
17:03.51bencohin /etc/X11/ afaict
17:05.12Enrico_MenottiThere's an xorg.conf there, but no settings for the touchscreen.
17:12.33WizzupEnrico_Menotti: we told you how to do it
17:12.37Wizzupon mainline
17:12.41Wizzupuse xinput to configure it
17:12.50WizzupI did it a couple of weeks ago on parazyd's device, or on my own, I do not recall
17:13.13Wizzupunless you want to use the tslib driver, then there's a tool to configure it
17:13.20Wizzupbut tslib is deprecated/dead
17:13.42Enrico_MenottiWizzup You mean the link at http://blog.rot13.org/2013/12/touch-screen-configuration-using-xinput.html?
17:14.44Enrico_MenottiThe problem is: 1. Settings are not permanent; 2. How to find the exact values for calibration?
17:14.45Wizzupyes. you can set all relevant callibration options using xinput
17:14.59Wizzupthere is a program to get those, I think shipped with xinput even
17:15.07Wizzupas for permanent, make a script and have it auto run
17:15.35Enrico_MenottiWell, I wanted to put settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
17:15.50Enrico_MenottiAnd for the calibration, I got settings heuristically.
17:15.59Enrico_MenottiNow I'd like to find the correct values.
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17:16.54Wizzuphttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Calibrating_Touchscreen
17:17.01Wizzuphttp://blog.rot13.org/2013/12/touch-screen-configuration-using-xinput.html
17:17.16Enrico_MenottiRight now I'm booting Maemo. I went in /tmp. There's an Xorg.0.log. At the end, I find reported the "Calibration factors".
17:17.22Enrico_MenottiAre those?
17:17.30Enrico_Menotti(For the touchpad limits.)
17:17.35Wizzupthe blog post linked to you initially tells you to run evtest
17:17.37Wizzupand just note down the events
17:17.43Wizzupit literally tells you how to callibrate :)
17:17.51Wizzupmaemo values may be way off.
17:17.57Wizzupdifferent driver, 7year old kernel.
17:18.23Wizzuphttps://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xinput_calibrator/
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17:19.30Enrico_MenottiThis last link is very interesting. I will read over it.
17:19.37Enrico_MenottiThanks.
17:21.12Wizzup..
17:21.17WizzupI think the rot13 one is the most interesting one
17:21.20Wizzupit literally tells you how to do it
17:22.47Enrico_MenottiYes, it does. I already followed it yesterday, successfully. But I'm trying to calibrate precisely (well, if that's even possible...).
17:27.46WizzupEnrico_Menotti: maemo callibrates it by having you press red buttons on the corner
17:28.28Enrico_MenottiAh. I never did it.
17:29.00Enrico_MenottiI re-flashed my N900, but after that only the locale, date and time setting screen appeared.
17:36.51Enrico_MenottiWell, right now I tried by copying the settings from Maemo, and they're absolutely perfect. 172 3880 3780 235.
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20:05.14Enrico_MenottiI have installed gtk2 over X over Devuan on the N900. Works. Nice demo. Interesting. :)
20:07.34sicelostill want to try android? ;)
20:11.40Enrico_MenottiWell, don't know, really.
20:11.57Wizzuprunning android on a n900 makes no sense
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20:29.39Enrico_MenottiMaybe an Android in a box? Just to have access to apps...
20:54.02DocScrutinizer05why not a cray in a box?
20:54.43DocScrutinizer05TARDIS: a whole skyscraper in a phone booth
21:19.40DocScrutinizer05sarcasm aside, android systems tend to need at least 1GB of RAM nowadays, and simulating that via swapped virtual memory in a VM won't help make apps running in such "box" more responsive
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22:06.20freemangordonEnrico_Menotti: you've installed which gtk2?
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