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| 04:54.25 | Oksanaa | What's the way to capture a screenshot when gstreamer is involved? Usual ways do not cut it, because it's gstreamer. I have an awareness of gst-launch, but no idea about finding appropriate src. |
| 04:55.39 | Oksanaa | Aka, taking screenshot of camera's frozen view-finder since the camera didn't manage to save the photo to file. And asking the person to sit for a photo, a second time is... awkward. |
| 05:02.35 | Oksanaa | Like, I got a nice picture of viewfinder's corners with ximagesrc or something, but on purely black background. There viewfinder's rendering of photograph remains an elusive src. |
| 05:05.38 | Oksanaa | Is photograph-ing the display with another camera really the only solution? I have not much battery left. |
| 05:08.22 | Maxdamantus | I just take screenshots using `scrot` inside my debian chroot. |
| 05:09.55 | Maxdamantus | You should also be able to use scrot/import over a X11 over ssh. |
| 05:10.26 | Maxdamantus | so should be able to `ssh -X` from maemo to another machine and run scrot/import there. |
| 05:12.54 | Maxdamantus | http://maxdamantus.eu.org/maemosshscrot.png |
| 05:13.15 | Oksanaa | Ssh -X, done. Import, exists. What to do with it? |
| 05:13.52 | Maxdamantus | I think you just run `import foo.png` |
| 05:14.04 | Maxdamantus | and it will save the image as `foo.png` in the current directory (on the host you've sshed to) |
| 05:14.36 | Maxdamantus | Looking at that picture of mine .. why do I put up with this horrible font rendering? |
| 05:14.47 | Maxdamantus | doesn't usually see things that terrible on his main display. |
| 05:16.03 | Maxdamantus | Oh, in your case you'd probably do something like `sleep 2 && import foo.png`, then switch to the camera-ui window before the sleep exits. |
| 05:16.49 | Oksanaa | Yes :-) Which app to use to preview png? |
| 05:17.13 | Oksanaa | Heard about sleep from https://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Take_a_picture_with_front_camera |
| 05:17.36 | Maxdamantus | I use scrot (on both maemo and other systems) |
| 05:17.43 | Maxdamantus | er, sxiv* |
| 05:18.27 | Maxdamantus | but the image should just end up on the host you ran `import` on, not on maemo. |
| 05:18.31 | Oksanaa | Sxiv... Not installed. What's the one on KDE Debian? Gsomething |
| 05:18.37 | Maxdamantus | so you'd just use whatever you normally use to look at PNGs. |
| 05:18.49 | Maxdamantus | Presumably if you have a web browser installed you could just use that. |
| 05:19.07 | Oksanaa | Don't want to mess up firefox session of tabs. |
| 05:20.24 | Oksanaa | Let's see how konqueror works out for previewing a png. |
| 05:20.51 | Maxdamantus | you might also try `showimage`, if that's installed. |
| 05:21.08 | Maxdamantus | I think that comes with sdl-image, but iirc it's not there on Debian. |
| 05:21.21 | Oksanaa | Okay, minimalistic capture done. No idea how to get rid of viewfinder overlays. And probably 800x480 resolution. .. |
| 05:22.22 | Oksanaa | Would still appreciate gst-launch capture from frozen view-finder. But not much battery left. |
| 05:22.41 | Maxdamantus | I suspect the 800Ã480 problem will only be solved by taking a memory dump and trying to extract the image from that. |
| 05:23.36 | Oksanaa | Probably. No idea if a gstreamer sink, src or bin offers high resolution picture. It may well be that view-finder remembers only screen-res. |
| 05:24.38 | Maxdamantus | You should probably at least make sure to get that memory dump before it runs out of battery. |
| 05:25.06 | Maxdamantus | something like `gcore foo.bin` once you've attached to camera-ui using `gdb --pid 1234` |
| 05:25.58 | Maxdamantus | but it might be tricky to get the image out of it, if it's possible at all. |
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| 06:54.58 | Oksanaa | Yo, good idea for next time. This time, I am just glad that screenshot was made. Gdb should be run on N900, and gcore can be run on a different computer? |
| 06:55.56 | bencoh | you can use gdbserver on n900 and gdb on a remote computer |
| 06:56.27 | Oksanaa | Thank you. Should figure out what's the problem with camera that it freezes at times. Sometimes, two cameras are visible in window-switcher at the same time. |
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| 07:36.56 | Maxdamantus | gcore is a command in gdb to save a core dump. |
| 07:38.07 | Maxdamantus | The simple thing to do is to just run gdb locally and in that local session run gcore so you can inspect it later. |
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| 15:47.10 | Vajb | Oksana: happens for me too from time to time. No idea why. |
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| 16:14.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | syslog is your friend, I'm afraid |
| 16:15.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc camera failures are from some kernel module |
| 16:15.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | resp the closed blob userland libs that replace proper kernel modules for camera |
| 16:18.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | omap_previewer_hack omap34xxcam_mod videodev board_rx51_camera et al, plus the userland stuff that uses it, like /usr/sbin/omap3camd |
| 16:22.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL http://elinux.org/images/2/28/Elce11_pinchart.pdf |
| 16:23.21 | bencoh | Shit that's the 2nd time I see that name today already (after seeing it quite a few times during the past weeks as well) |
| 16:24.43 | bencoh | xkcd 844 <3 |
| 16:29.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1397155#post1397155 |
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| 16:31.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: "you can either hang out in the Android loop or the Hurd loop" ;-P |
| 16:32.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | guess which is which ;-) |
| 16:41.01 | L29Ah | picks multi-track drifting |
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| 18:53.15 | Enrico_Menotti | Hi. I thought I could start learning some things about Hildon. After a bit of googling, I decided to begin with the GTK+ libraries. So I'm trying to compile them on Devuan. I'm reading here: https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk-building.html. I'm encountering many issues, solved a bunch of them, but now I'm stuck at a certain point. Let me report what I'm doing so far. |
| 18:55.15 | Sicelo009N | you'll have to read up on what Android_808 and freemangordon are doing ... there's a thread on tmo |
| 18:56.32 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes, I know they're doing something. Since I don't know the basics yet, I thought I could try first on the laptop, without thinking about the N900 for now. |
| 18:56.53 | Enrico_Menotti | (Although I don't know which thread exactly you refer to.) |
| 18:57.38 | Sicelo009N | you'll probably want to start with gtk2 if your aim is Hildon |
| 18:58.32 | Enrico_Menotti | Maybe http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96800? |
| 18:59.04 | Sicelo009N | yes |
| 18:59.52 | Sicelo009N | or maybe no need for GTK2 :-) |
| 19:00.11 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok. So I admit I'm still orienting in this topic. What is the difference between gtk+ and gtk2? |
| 19:02.52 | Sicelo009N | none .. gtk2 and gtk3 are just different versions of gtk(+) |
| 19:05.09 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok. I started by cloning this: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+. On the page about gtk building that I linked above, they say to run ./configure. So the first problem is that this script does not exist. Instead, I found autogen.sh, which seems to create configure and execute it. Then a make successfully starts the build. |
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| 19:08.10 | Enrico_Menotti | Now the newest versions of gtk+ require libraries which seem not to be available on Devuan Jessie, at least not in the required version. So I checked out a previous branch, gtk-3-14. This allows the build process to go fairly ahead. |
| 19:09.10 | Sicelo009N | i guess that's where you need fmg/android_808 |
| 19:10.52 | Enrico_Menotti | What do you propose to do? Asking here is not the right way? Should I post on that thread? (Yes, I didn't read all the thread yet, but my present knowledge is so small that I couldn't understand many things.) |
| 19:11.35 | Sicelo009N | i'm sure they can help you here when they are online |
| 19:12.06 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, so I'd report some more details, ok? |
| 19:13.34 | Enrico_Menotti | (I see freemangordon online - maybe he will read later.) |
| 19:14.31 | Enrico_Menotti | I got the following error from the linker: |
| 19:14.35 | Enrico_Menotti | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.05 | Enrico_Menotti | This seems to be triggered by the linking process of libgdk-3.la. |
| 19:15.57 | Enrico_Menotti | So after some googling I found this: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=679409 and this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=732668. |
| 19:15.58 | povbot | 04Bug 679409: was not found. |
| 19:17.10 | Enrico_Menotti | (Also https://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2012-July/msg02309.html.) |
| 19:20.32 | Enrico_Menotti | If I got it right, gtk+ has a behaviour (linking against .la files) which seems to be deprecated (based on the Debian bug report above.) |
| 19:22.06 | Enrico_Menotti | That's it. Any suggestion is well accepted. :) |
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| 20:14.24 | sicelo | any way to adjust font size on N900's xterm? (not osso-xterm) |
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| 20:27.10 | Enrico_Menotti | sicelo You mean the stock xterm? With that, I have managed to get bigger fonts. Don't remember how... |
| 20:29.55 | sicelo | not XTerminal - rather, if you install `xterm` from repos |
| 20:40.27 | bencoh | sicelo: yup |
| 20:41.47 | bencoh | sicelo: I use popup-menu(fontMenu) in a transition mapped to Ctrl+button1 |
| 20:42.01 | bencoh | s/transition/translation/ |
| 20:42.18 | sicelo | greek to me :) |
| 20:42.22 | sicelo | what's button1? |
| 20:42.34 | bencoh | mouse |
| 20:42.43 | sicelo | N900? |
| 20:42.52 | bencoh | touchscreen for n900 ;) |
| 20:43.10 | bencoh | I guess I should just publish that .Xdefaults of mine |
| 20:43.24 | sicelo | thanks. that will help |
| 20:43.44 | sicelo | oh i see see what you mean :P |
| 20:43.53 | ceene | sslayer@collins:~$ cat .Xresources |
| 20:43.53 | ceene | XTerm*saveLines: 4096 |
| 20:43.53 | ceene | XTerm*foreground: rgb:b2/b2/b2 |
| 20:43.53 | ceene | XTerm*background: rgb:08/08/08 |
| 20:43.53 | ceene | XTerm*font: 10x20 |
| 20:43.55 | ceene | UXTerm*saveLines: 4096 |
| 20:43.58 | ceene | UXTerm*foreground: rgb:b2/b2/b2 |
| 20:44.00 | ceene | UXTerm*background: rgb:08/08/08 |
| 20:44.03 | ceene | UXTerm*font: 10x20 |
| 20:44.14 | sicelo | hey ceene! long time |
| 20:44.19 | ceene | yeah! |
| 20:44.19 | ceene | :) |
| 20:44.24 | ceene | sorry gotta go now to sleep |
| 20:44.34 | ceene | just had a look and saw something i could help with :) |
| 20:44.42 | sicelo | yappari? :D |
| 20:44.46 | ceene | lol |
| 20:44.52 | ceene | your xterm question :P |
| 20:44.53 | bencoh | :] |
| 20:44.58 | ceene | i wish... |
| 20:45.04 | ceene | it's been months since i last used my n900 :( |
| 20:45.13 | bencoh | aww :( |
| 20:45.15 | sicelo | err |
| 20:45.22 | ceene | i'm more involved now with the neo900, but sadly it's been long weeks too since ahycka or I could spend time on it |
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| 20:46.05 | ceene | i hope in a week or two we'll have a little more free time |
| 20:46.16 | ceene | i'll try to spend more time around here too, i still love you all :P |
| 20:46.42 | ceene | well, gotta go! |
| 20:46.43 | ceene | cya! |
| 20:46.53 | bencoh | :) |
| 20:51.47 | bencoh | sicelo: http://muarf.org/~bencoh/maemo/Xdefaults |
| 20:55.36 | sicelo | thanks bencoh. to make that work, i need to reboot N900? |
| 20:59.51 | sicelo | ah i see it works right away. but my font sizes don't change one bit :-/ |
| 21:00.14 | sicelo | i can see the menu, and currently set to Large. Even when I choose Huge, size remains the same |
| 21:01.23 | Enrico_Menotti | sicelo Ehm... I realise I don't understand the difference between X Terminal, osso-xterm and xterm. From some googling, I've seen X Terminal = osso-xterm, if I'm right, and that's what comes with stock Maemo. But what about xterm? (Sorry for my ignorance.) :) |
| 21:02.48 | sicelo | you can install xterm from repos. works exactly like on your pc :) |
| 21:03.41 | bencoh | sicelo: it works here |
| 21:04.31 | bencoh | I wonder which font you're using (I used fixed) ... I dunno whether it works (or works the same way) with truetype/freetype fonts |
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| 21:08.17 | sicelo | http://paste.debian.net/931229/ - what i get when i start xterm |
| 21:13.19 | Sicelo009N | never dabbled in xfonts before. but i think i can troubleshoot this one |
| 21:28.30 | Enrico_Menotti | sicelo I had to search for a while, but I eventually found xterm in the extras repository. But no documentation? |
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| 21:35.13 | sicelo | man pages you mean? Maemo does not have them :) |
| 21:35.53 | sicelo | to save space evidently (although you can install a man page application .. not sure what it does exactly) |
| 21:37.04 | bencoh | sicelo: right, I had to add misc to my x11 font path |
| 21:37.58 | bencoh | xset +fp /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc should be enough |
| 21:38.27 | bencoh | (you can also change your xorg conf, but... do one single mistake there and maemo will fail to boot) |
| 21:39.28 | bencoh | (and I had to add misc/fixed fonts to n900 since I don't think they're packaged in maemo) |
| 21:39.37 | bencoh | or you could probably try using a different fontset |
| 21:39.50 | sicelo | i definitely don't have /usr/share/fonts/X11/ |
| 21:40.09 | sicelo | maemo sometimes ... :) |
| 21:40.22 | bencoh | mine are built from the iso10646/utf8 fixed font set |
| 21:40.41 | bencoh | you can probably copy it from (pretty much) any system running Xorg |
| 21:40.41 | sicelo | copied from pc? |
| 21:40.46 | sicelo | ah yes |
| 21:41.08 | bencoh | I might have built it from source a long time ago, but yes |
| 21:58.59 | sicelo | bencoh: there is xfonts-base which seems to contain them .. 8MB on rootfs though |
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| 22:32.41 | bencoh | you can always add a symlink I suppose (hope?) |
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| 23:47.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | manpages? |
| 23:47.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 23:47.58 | infobot | i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 23:49.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#proper_bash_and_tools |
| 23:49.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get install man-db-n900 |
