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| 07:16.20 | NotKit | how up to date is Pidgin on Maemo? |
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| 07:52.18 | xes | maemo debug tools: https://github.com/maemo-tools-old It seems that our repo has only an older version of these tools |
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| 08:58.01 | sicelo | NotKit: old. |
| 08:58.34 | sicelo | why you ask? :-) we would be happy for someone to update it for us |
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| 09:00.35 | NotKit | to check if it can be compiled with fremantle-gtk2 |
| 09:04.34 | sicelo | ok. we're looking forward. i use it daily for Telegram and Skype for Business/Lync (IM only) |
| 09:06.41 | NotKit | I've meant non-N900 devices with Hildon UI |
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| 09:12.55 | sicelo | alright |
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| 10:21.43 | kerio | no opus decoding huh :( |
| 10:22.07 | KotCzarny | where? |
| 10:23.28 | kerio | media player |
| 10:23.33 | kerio | gstreamer, whatever |
| 10:23.42 | KotCzarny | oscp? :P |
| 10:25.32 | sicelo | :p |
| 10:26.05 | kerio | i mean i guess i can just see if any of the gstreamer0.10-* adds opus support |
| 10:26.10 | kerio | since it's a codec in the ogg container |
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| 10:51.54 | bencoh | kerio: gst-inspect might help you |
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| 11:52.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: yes, our tools are pretty aged now |
| 12:03.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/24510812 |
| 12:04.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: actually I got no idea how community would/could/should update tools repo (et al) |
| 12:05.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | could CSSU cover this? |
| 12:05.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | or should tools go to maemo-extras repo? |
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| 17:35.28 | Enrico_Menotti | Hello. I have written an account about how I managed to boot Devuan on the N900. It's a pdf document (8 pages), intended mainly as a promemoria for myself. If anybody is interested, I'd share it for review, adjust what is needed to, and then make it public. Please let me know if you wish to read it. |
| 17:37.41 | parazyd | please do :) |
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| 17:39.15 | Enrico_Menotti | parazyd Just let's decide how to share it. I'd prefer first to do that privately, for reviewing purposes. |
| 17:40.05 | parazyd | you can send me a query here on irc i guess |
| 17:43.22 | ravelo | Enrico_Menotti, when do you want to release it? |
| 17:43.49 | ravelo | maybe i have some time to get my old data off my N900 and then try to install devuan on N900 |
| 17:43.56 | ravelo | but may not be soon... |
| 17:45.53 | Enrico_Menotti | ravelo I'd like to share it privately for the moment. If you agree, I may query you and find a convenient way. |
| 17:46.48 | Enrico_Menotti | Also, for now I did not really install the system - just booted it (uploaded the kernel to ram). |
| 17:47.11 | Enrico_Menotti | And I didn't try a desktop environment yet. |
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| 19:18.47 | Youbi | ~flasher |
| 19:18.47 | infobot | refer ~flashing; http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz; list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 19:19.27 | Youbi | Oh, the chakra-project link is dead |
| 19:19.39 | Youbi | ~lf |
| 19:19.39 | infobot | well, #maemo lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach |
| 19:32.19 | Youbi | Erf, flashing my n900 did not solve my problem :( The screen stays black :( |
| 19:32.43 | KotCzarny | do you get anything on reboot? |
| 19:33.27 | KotCzarny | might be faulty lcd ribbon |
| 19:33.32 | KotCzarny | if nothing at all |
| 19:34.05 | Youbi | No, nothing on screen :/ |
| 19:34.24 | KotCzarny | which isnt bad in itself because fried modem spares are good candidates for parts ;) |
| 19:34.38 | KotCzarny | and swapping is quite easy |
| 19:34.55 | Youbi | I think I have a broken n900 somewhere around ^^ |
| 19:35.17 | Youbi | But I completly wasted the screw hole when trying to get the screen apart. |
| 19:35.26 | Youbi | The screws behind the screens. |
| 19:35.29 | Youbi | :/ |
| 19:35.32 | KotCzarny | there are screw removal tools |
| 19:35.37 | KotCzarny | search ebay/aliexpress |
| 19:35.53 | KotCzarny | but get good one |
| 19:36.56 | Youbi | Yep, also thougth about making a cut in the screws to unscrew them with a flat end screwdriver. |
| 19:37.07 | Youbi | But I donât have the tool to do that -_- |
| 19:37.37 | KotCzarny | just grab a screw removal tool, it works and will come handy more than once |
| 19:37.47 | Youbi | Ok :) |
| 19:40.00 | Youbi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jliBOo10bA Maybe this method could to the trick :D |
| 19:50.18 | bencoh | do you get any sound/vibration at boot / when touching the screen? |
| 19:50.41 | bencoh | or trying to play with the widgets (even if screen seems off) |
| 19:51.28 | bencoh | I don't really remember what's the default behavior after reflashing but iirc it should show some signs of life in touchscreen is working and only display is defective |
| 19:51.52 | bencoh | you could also try the tv output, maybe (assuming this is enabled by default) |
| 19:52.06 | KotCzarny | tv output wont work without working lcd |
| 19:52.16 | KotCzarny | x is set to wrong res |
| 19:52.34 | KotCzarny | which is a pity |
| 19:52.54 | KotCzarny | but maybe it's fixable in software somewhere |
| 19:53.04 | bencoh | hmm are you sure about that? I somehow recall someone troubleshooting display issues with tvout |
| 19:53.28 | KotCzarny | yeah, i have tried by disconnecting lcd module from my working testing n900 |
| 19:53.48 | KotCzarny | and while physically broken lcd MIGHT work |
| 19:54.05 | sicelo | Enrico_Menotti: best is Wiki .. and no need to make anything private . . . errors and omissions are perfectly acceptable and will be corrected by yourself or anyone else. that's what wiki is all about |
| 19:54.09 | KotCzarny | if ribbon is broken, tv out wouldnt work either because x server wont work |
| 19:54.29 | Youbi | bencoh: At boot only the led light up, but there is no vibration :/ |
| 19:54.33 | Youbi | And no sound also. |
| 19:54.55 | Youbi | But the riboon seems good. |
| 19:55.05 | bencoh | uh, strange |
| 19:55.49 | bencoh | I guess you could try booting rescueOS using flasher and try doing a hw check from there |
| 19:56.03 | bencoh | that's probably how I'd go and debug it if I had to |
| 19:56.48 | bencoh | err, that's assuming rescueos enables usb/telnet by default |
| 19:57.13 | bencoh | I'm not sure about that know that I think about it, so you'd need to patch rescueOS initrd first |
| 19:57.25 | bencoh | s/know/now/ |
| 19:57.46 | KotCzarny | yeah, it should, i've mentioned to nin101 that it's good to autostart telnetd |
| 19:58.10 | KotCzarny | so with most recent version there should be telnetd working |
| 19:58.15 | bencoh | did you add it / update binaries? |
| 19:58.20 | bencoh | neat |
| 20:00.07 | Enrico_Menotti | sicelo Well, I could publish on Wiki, but since I'm really not experienced with this, I'd prefer some suggestions. What I have written is quite long, and I think it should be shortened a bit. But for this I'd need advice. |
| 20:14.31 | Youbi | https://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/rescueOS-1.3/CHANGELOG It seems that telnet start automatically at rescueOS boot :) |
| 20:17.05 | KotCzarny | told'ya |
| 20:53.41 | NIN101 | telnetd starts automatically, usb networking doesn't |
| 21:05.23 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: concerning the tools i think no one ever tested those new versions. After some check i think extras would be the right place - if someone knows such tools and is interested into comparing the behavior with the old ones |
| 21:05.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: ack |
| 21:06.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: unrelated: my ssh fails to connect to a remote sshd. Last local debug line: "debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.2" - known? |
| 21:07.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/24513204 |
| 21:10.20 | xes | the next line should contain the version of remote ssh. Are you using the right port? |
| 21:11.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:11.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | it seems like remote sshd doesn't respond to the version inquiry |
| 21:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | but might as well be something arcane around ssh1 vs ssh2 protocol or whatever. My local ssh config file is pretty ancient |
| 21:14.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | bfc how to tackle that |
| 21:14.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc even |
| 21:15.49 | xes | have you checked also with a telnet? sshd should reply with openssh version |
| 21:17.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24513228 |
| 21:17.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | is the remote sshd in paranoid mode or whatever? |
| 21:24.11 | xes | oh.. is that a vbox natted vm with port forward for ssh? |
| 21:27.42 | xes | if yes please check again the vbox nat forward rule. sshd must reply with his version in any case (if you are knocking at the right door) |
| 21:31.30 | xes | freemangordon: have you ever tried to increase the video encoder buffers into libgstdsp to limit the random frame drop with HD resolutions? |
| 21:32.27 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: you *are* geting the wrong version of openssh |
| 21:32.34 | parazyd | that's not the version in the vagrant box |
| 21:33.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | err what? |
| 21:33.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's my local ssh version |
| 21:33.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | this nevertheless is supposed to connect to a different version sshd |
| 21:33.31 | parazyd | ah |
| 21:33.41 | parazyd | i thought that was the sshd version |
| 21:34.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: my vagrantbox seems to be the culprit, it's "too old" Vagrant 1.7.4 |
| 21:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | it works with the devuan jessie vagrantbox before RC1 |
| 21:36.41 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: anyway, also ssh protocol incompatibilities are checked after ssh version hello message |
| 21:37.27 | Enrico_Menotti | DocScrutinizer05 As you suggested a couple of days ago, I made notes about my work on Devuan for the N900. Before making them public, I'd like some feedback, so I'm proposing anybody who's interested to read them. Would you like to? |
| 21:39.43 | xes | Enrico_Menotti: please paste it on an etherpad page. Many guys here will be ready to read it and review some part if needed |
| 21:39.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: parazyd: http://wstaw.org/m/2017/05/04/plasma-desktopj22054.png http://paste.ubuntu.com/24513347 |
| 21:40.31 | Enrico_Menotti | xes It's a pdf file - is there some place where I may upload it? |
| 21:40.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | Enrico_Menotti: what xes said |
| 21:41.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | please paste the plain ascii text to an etherpad |
| 21:41.39 | Enrico_Menotti | DocScrutinizer05 xes I'm a bit unexperienced with these things. Could you please suggest a specific page? |
| 21:41.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | or worst case to a pastebin |
| 21:43.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | how about https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/ or worst case http://paste.ubuntu.com/ |
| 21:43.52 | xes | Enrico_Menotti: https://etherpad.net/ and create a new pad |
| 21:44.29 | Enrico_Menotti | I'm just looking the one suggested by xes. |
| 21:45.07 | xes | ...then open another browser and play with yourself while pointing at the same pad ;) |
| 21:46.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | found etherpad.net to be relatively fail-happy |
| 21:46.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | might have changed since |
| 21:46.56 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: have you tried to ssh to eth0's ip -p 2200? |
| 21:48.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 21:50.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~/Downloads/devuanVGtest> telnet 192.168.4.21 2200 |
| 21:50.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | Trying 192.168.4.21... |
| 21:50.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | telnet: connect to address 192.168.4.21: Connection refused |
| 21:51.05 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: dunno, i'm using virtualbox5 |
| 21:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | needs to update vagrant, which is a PITA since they don't provide a rpm for opensuse |
| 21:53.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously whatever vagrant1.7.4 expects to find in the vagrantbox image isn't provided by vagrant1.9.1 anymore, so my old vagrant fscks up the sshd setup |
| 21:55.03 | xes | i think to recal that to use the virtualbox nat port redirection you can't point at localhost since the nat is defined starting from primary host network interface |
| 21:56.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | HMMMMs @ http://paste.ubuntu.com/24513413 |
| 21:56.51 | xes | then, maybe an old vagrant version expects a different virtualbox nat behavior (that has been changed 2 years ago..more or less) |
| 21:57.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, now that sounds like sth |
| 21:57.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | though, the connection seems to get established, so NAT can't be the culprit? |
| 21:59.38 | xes | change the virtual IF definiton and use a bridged network interface |
| 21:59.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | it works with an old vagrantbox! |
| 22:00.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it's not in the vagrantbox image and not in http://paste.ubuntu.com/24513413 and not in vagrant executable, then I don't know |
| 22:02.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, maybe I changed the network interface in VB config of old vagrantbox? |
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| 22:13.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/24513620 |
| 22:15.25 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: maybe you are recalling a trick/tweak that you made to address it? |
| 22:16.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, wish I could recall what I did |
| 22:19.09 | xes | https://github.com/mitchellh/vagrant/issues/3232 |
| 22:23.04 | xes | changed syntax .... port fwd definition conflict between guests... |
| 22:24.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, my vagrant is 1.7.1 |
| 22:25.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and works with a 1 year old devuan vagrantbox (though I *might* have tweaked something in virtualbox config) |
| 22:25.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | then, I can't see how any tweak I did in virtualbox only applies to the old vagrantbox and fails on the new one |
| 22:29.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: do you see any mistakes I made, or tweaks I applied, in http://paste.ubuntu.com/24513620 ? |
| 22:32.19 | xes | where is the network definition into the Vagrantfile you are using? |
| 22:33.41 | xes | if it is not there, it should be hand-made into vbox |
| 22:35.26 | Enrico_Menotti | To anybody who's interested: https://oasis.sandstorm.io/shared/rRUHLjKxQz-owubUREr0FXnJh9ZCTpyLEpjmTTNflW4 (you may comment directly the file). (Devuan on N900.) |
| 22:36.20 | Enrico_Menotti | DocScrutinizer05 xes sicelo parazyd (and anybody else) ^^^ |
| 22:38.34 | xes | Enrico_Menotti: thanks for sharing |
| 22:41.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: I can't find any vbox config specific to that ~/vagrant-test/kicad-devuan-amd64 dir |
| 22:41.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I assume there's none |
| 22:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless it's in vagrantbox file |
| 22:42.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/24513413/ |
| 22:43.01 | Enrico_Menotti | xes You're welcome. :) |
| 22:46.48 | Enrico_Menotti | Bedtime. G'night. |
| 22:47.31 | xes | goodnight |
| 22:51.15 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: net definition is at the beginning of .box file |
| 22:51.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't touch the .box file |
| 22:52.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, so I need to open it in vbox, then edit it there, then store |
| 22:52.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | which might well be what I've done, back when |
| 22:53.11 | xes | no port fwd definition there... |
| 22:53.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | the port is fine, no? |
| 22:53.45 | xes | no |
| 22:53.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, the shit thing *connects* |
| 22:54.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I see it listening on the port, in netstat |
| 22:54.53 | xes | the old vm is still there? |
| 22:55.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:2200 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 18460/VBoxHeadless |
| 22:56.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | the new one |
| 22:56.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I meanwhile stopped the old one |
| 22:56.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the new one also fails on port 2222 when I start it with no concurrent box running |
| 22:57.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's evidently the sshd that blows chunks |
| 22:57.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | or some firewall or whatever |
| 22:58.01 | xes | no idea. i have downloaded a piece of ~15MB of .box and at the beginning there is the box.ovf definition |
| 23:30.52 | *** join/#maemo pagurus (~user@p50837AE5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:42.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suspect vagrant 1.7.1 patches some stuff in the .box file, and the format changed since |
| 23:42.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I tend to blame sshd config |
| 23:45.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably vagrant injects some stuff into the box during boot via console. And one of that is a config file for sshd |
| 23:46.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and vagrant1.7.1 does use a sshd.conf that's incompatible to new version of sshd as in devuan-rc |
| 23:47.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | there were quite a few CVE-patches against sshd recently, no? |
| 23:52.18 | xes | yes there are a few... but from my point of view the problem is at nat level |
| 23:53.38 | xes | it's time to close the eyes. Have a good night Doc |
