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| 00:32.05 | michael_a330 | ~lazyflash |
| 00:32.16 | michael_a330 | ~flash |
| 00:32.16 | infobot | [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing |
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| 03:55.20 | Vajb | is it possible to mess with the android phone if i know the imei? |
| 03:55.36 | Vajb | my gf got her phone stolen. |
| 03:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | for authorities yes. For you: no |
| 03:57.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are apps for that, but you obviously need to have them installed _before_ you lose access to the device |
| 03:58.31 | Vajb | ok. I would just have remotely copied memory card photos... |
| 03:59.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | even then nowadays each thief slightly smarter than an amoeba knows to shut down stolen phones immediately and reflash then before powering up to the system |
| 03:59.40 | Vajb | but i guess that smart thief would change imei as a first thing |
| 03:59.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | if possible yes |
| 04:00.02 | Vajb | exactly my thought... |
| 04:00.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | a regular requirement for FCC approval though is an immutable IMEI |
| 04:01.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | let alone often it turn out after approval that manufs did a poor jib on ebsuring this property |
| 04:01.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | job on ensuring* |
| 04:01.29 | Vajb | at least it was job of a pro. We didn't realize anything until phone was needed. |
| 04:04.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | the only decent theft protection is a BT dongle paired to device, which makes both the phone and the dongle yell an alarm as soon as they don't see each other |
| 04:05.45 | Vajb | hmm is it cheap? |
| 04:06.01 | Vajb | tho it wont help much in a crowd |
| 04:06.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | such dongle? not sure |
| 04:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it depends. You want to make sure the range is <3m |
| 04:07.06 | Vajb | and with a short range u will phase errors i suppose... |
| 04:07.39 | Vajb | erm face* |
| 04:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and some alarm tones are clearly more effective than others. Like shouting "I'm getting stolen!!! <police siren> I'm getting stolen!!! <police siren> ..." |
| 04:10.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | constantly taking and uploading videos of both front and rear cam is also a good action to take when alarm goes off |
| 04:11.55 | Vajb | yes.. |
| 04:12.04 | Vajb | it's just too late is too late |
| 04:12.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 04:12.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | retroactively you only can set the IMEI on blacklist |
| 04:12.31 | Vajb | now i'd prefer the thing Blade had in his sword :p |
| 04:13.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://imei24.com/blacklist_check/ |
| 04:13.49 | Vajb | will do that |
| 04:16.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | do it immediately, odds are the thief was even more stupid than an amoeba ;-) So Police and carrier could cooperate to spot the location where they took the device to and tried to clean it |
| 04:18.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | often your carrier also has a "locate my phone" service that works even without any app on the phone, but will usually send a notification SMS to the phone about the fact it's been located. The web interface spots the device to some maybe few 100m radius precision as long as the SMS can get sent |
| 04:20.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | didn't check http://trendblog.net/how-to-track-your-lost-android-phone-without-tracking-app/ |
| 04:23.09 | Vajb | yeah police asked imei when we made report, but who carries his imei with him while holidays? Not us for sure. |
| 04:31.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | check last link, it has a lot of good info for android |
| 04:31.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I was wrong, I blame my ignorance about how bad android actually is |
| 04:31.49 | Vajb | yup i will |
| 04:32.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually seems there's a damn lot of ways to locate your phone even without a particular app installed |
| 04:33.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | depending on how sane you configured your device and google account |
| 04:34.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | get all the info you can, this way. Then provide that info to police, don't expect them to know about such methods or even just bother to use them |
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| 04:35.05 | DocScrutinizer06 | and even if they know, they have no access to your google account |
| 04:35.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even if they know, they have no access to your google account |
| 04:38.05 | Vajb | will have to read up, since we changed google password immediately when we realized it is stolen |
| 04:38.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | the article says that doesn't matter :-) |
| 04:38.24 | Vajb | so no access to that account from that device |
| 04:38.59 | Vajb | hmm will have to dig more when i get back home |
| 04:39.18 | Vajb | shame that it has been many days... |
| 04:39.49 | Vajb | she lost it at saturday |
| 04:40.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy, then the device is either already cleaned and IMEI changed and sold, or discarded when you can't change IMEI |
| 04:41.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | all you can do is help law enforcement |
| 04:42.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | so when the thief takes next device home, police has evidence it wasn't the first time they did |
| 04:42.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | won't help you though |
| 04:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd still get the IMEI blacklisted |
| 04:43.24 | Vajb | yeah |
| 04:43.31 | Vajb | will do that |
| 04:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | call your carrier about how to do that |
| 04:44.08 | Vajb | we were on holidays so wanted to ignore the fact till we got home so... |
| 04:44.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | they also might be able to save your device/IMEI last locations from location server records |
| 04:45.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | not very precise but still may help |
| 04:46.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | they might be willing to keep those records infinitely when you allow them to do so, and hand then out to police on their request |
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| 04:46.16 | Vajb | does it matter that we were on different country? |
| 04:46.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | err yes |
| 04:46.34 | Vajb | so roaming... |
| 04:46.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes things almost hopeless |
| 04:46.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | but still, ask your carrier |
| 04:47.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and check your google account like explained in the URL linked above |
| 04:48.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | "nice" thing about android: it stores pretty much everything "in the cloud" |
| 04:50.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | the agencies' wet dream |
| 04:50.33 | Vajb | yes, if u have cloud enabled |
| 04:51.56 | Vajb | think my gf was thiefs wet dream. No device log, no system password, just lousy pin at the sim |
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| 18:56.30 | Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: ok did what we could, but device hasn't been connected since it got lost. So not much luck except now we know exact last location and can announce it to police. Thanks for ur help. |
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| 19:10.12 | KotCzarny | are you 100% sure she didnt just lost it? |
| 19:17.50 | Vajb | yes |
| 19:19.12 | Vajb | well if u wanna be presice device is actually just lost, since we don't know where it is... |
| 19:19.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:19.37 | KotCzarny | and you dont have any proof someone stole it? |
| 19:20.14 | Vajb | not apart that it wasn't in a zipper pocket where it was put |
| 19:21.53 | Vajb | but im quite certain that mobile technology hasn't advanced to point where it can open zipper and walk away :) |
| 19:22.24 | Vajb | tho that's what something being mobile means... |
| 19:22.40 | KotCzarny | how do you open zipper pocket and take it out without knowing otoh? |
| 19:23.17 | Vajb | i wouldn't know |
| 19:23.34 | Vajb | wasn't my phone, wasn't my pocket |
| 19:23.40 | KotCzarny | oh, and close it too probably |
| 19:25.05 | Vajb | oh just now i realize that we should have asked sherlock, since we were at london |
| 19:27.13 | KotCzarny | good idea |
| 19:29.50 | Vajb | well only thing i know for sure is that she doesn't have that phone anymore and im amazed that that could happen since there were times when i could hardly tell where the hand stops and phone starts |
| 19:30.27 | Vajb | but now i must rest, puzzled. Good night. |
| 19:30.35 | KotCzarny | nite nite |
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| 20:30.27 | bencoh | :( |
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| 22:07.32 | sixwheeledbeast | Ideal environment for pickpockets, crowded tourist areas. If it was switched off when you realised it was missing it's most likely been stolen. |
| 22:16.18 | sixwheeledbeast | I think the only way of tracking your phone would be through your google account but I am no expert. |
| 22:18.08 | sixwheeledbeast | Android Device Manager within the Google Account should have IMEI and ways of locating it if powered on? |
| 22:46.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.preining.info/blog/2017/04/systemd-again/ |