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09:48.28Enrico_MenottiI am sure I used mainline kernel. rx51_defconfig from Pali's repository at github. Compiles, but doesn't boot. I didn't get how to use the n900.config from parazyd. Now I'll try cloning Pali's repository and using that. Maybe I'm doing something wrong in the build process.
09:48.43parazydyou probably are
09:48.56parazydwhat toolchain are you using and where are you compiling?
09:49.10Enrico_MenottiI'm compiling on Debian.
09:49.28Enrico_MenottiI'm using the arm-linux-gnueabihf toolchain.
09:49.47parazydand what's your make command?
09:50.28Enrico_Menottimake rx51_defconfig and then make zImage (with or without the -j4 option).
09:50.32Enrico_MenottiBy the way, how to use the n900.config?
09:50.45parazydyou just put it in the root of the sources
09:50.50parazydname it ".config"
09:50.55Enrico_MenottiAh, ok.
09:51.02Enrico_MenottiSo no make n900.config.
09:51.27parazydjust copy it to .config
09:51.28Enrico_MenottiI will try with that.
09:52.12parazydthen a `make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- zImage modules omap3-n900.dtb` should do the trick
09:52.53parazydwhen done: cat arch/arm/boot/zImage arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dtb > zImage
09:52.57parazyd^^ that's your kernel
09:53.20parazydyou also need to install the according kernel modules to the sd card/image you will be using
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09:54.17parazydwhich would be: make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/path/to/n900/rootfs INSTALL_MOD_STRIP=1 modules_install
09:54.43Enrico_MenottiWhat's INSTALL_MOD_STRIP?
09:54.49parazydoh, and to make a uImage out of the zImage: mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 80008000 -e 80008000 -n zImage -d zImage uImage
09:55.04Enrico_MenottiOk, I'm not using u-boot.
09:55.07parazydEnrico_Menotti: it strips debugging symbols, you may or may not want that
09:55.40Enrico_MenottiOk. So maybe my problem is that I was missing the dtb.
09:55.48parazydand after the modules_install, i also do a firmware_install in the same manner
09:58.04Enrico_MenottiWhat does the firmware_install do?
10:09.12Enrico_MenottiOk, I was actually missing the dtb. Now signs of life. (The kernel boots and it's a bit verbose).
10:09.25Enrico_MenottiNow I will try to boot the file system.
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10:28.12Enrico_MenottiI tried to boot the Devuan image I had already booted on Sunday. It says, as it did on Sunday, that it can't mount selinuxfs. But on Sunday after a while I got a prompt. Now it's rebooting. Maybe the kernel I compiled does not match that system image.
10:35.22kerioshould i buy another microsd
10:35.33keriothere's pretty good ones for cheap nowadays
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11:22.22freemangordonEnrico_Menotti: did you compile and append dtb?
11:22.49Enrico_MenottiYes, I did.
11:23.02freemangordonah, just saw it in the backscroll
11:23.20freemangordonyou have to copy modules to /lib/modules as well
11:23.32Enrico_MenottiOr install them by make?
11:24.21freemangordonafter installing with make, copy the resulting directory
11:24.49Enrico_MenottiAh ok. Right.
11:25.00freemangordonor yeah, use what parazyd toldya
11:26.17Enrico_MenottiNow my problem is: the file system I have for Devuan is ext4, so I can't mount it. I am thinking about trying with the Debian fs which I had debootstrapped some days ago. I already used dd to put it on sd card.
11:27.11Enrico_MenottiNow I was trying to let Maemo detect the changes in the sd card partition tables without opening the back cover. I found there is a "partprobe" command, but for that I need to install "parted". Is this available for maemo?
11:27.26freemangordonEnrico_Menotti: doesn't the PC you build on have USB ports?
11:28.17Enrico_MenottiYes, usb. Are you thinking about going to mass storage mode, etc.?
11:28.33freemangordonyes
11:28.43Enrico_MenottiOk, that's another option.
11:28.53Enrico_MenottiBut anyway, is there parted for Maemo?
11:29.01freemangordonno idea
11:29.38freemangordonthere is sfdisk, I think you can command it to re-read partition table
11:29.58Enrico_MenottiOk, let me check.
11:38.19Enrico_Menottisfdisk -R <device>
11:38.22Enrico_MenottiThis works.
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11:45.15Enrico_MenottiI can't believe. I have a prompt from Debian. It's very unstable - after a while it reboots. But I am already quite happy.
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12:14.57DocScrutinizer05there are a few watchdogs to tickle
12:16.54DocScrutinizer05others wake (silly!!), kick (ouch!) or pet them
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12:35.14Enrico_MenottiThese watchdogs are in the modules, right?
12:39.56ZungoHmmm
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13:36.22DocScrutinizer05modules?
13:37.01DocScrutinizer05I think one is a software watchdog in CPU, one is in TWL4030 companion chip, and one is in modem
13:37.21DocScrutinizer05I'm speculating here
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13:52.51Enrico_MenottiAnyway, I built and installed modules, and now the login is stable. However, I don't know username and password... I will look into the file system. :)
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14:09.49Enrico_MenottiI am unable to login. It doesn't accept "root" as a username. It accepts both "user" and "debian", but I don't know the passwords. Also, in /etc/passwd in the rootfs "root" is listed but "user" and "debian" not. ???
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15:03.10WizzupEnrico_Menotti: devuan? uses 'root' and 'toor' as pass
15:16.52Enrico_MenottiNot Devuan, Debian. From the /etc/passwd file, seems only root is enabled as a user. But if I try with "root" as username, I'm not even allowed to enter a password.
15:34.58ZungoEnrico_Menotti: root is by default passwordless you need to change its password
15:35.30ZungoWizzup: ^
15:35.41Zungoeven in devuan iirc
15:41.12kerioit depends on the installer i think
15:41.20kerioif you don't create a user, you are asked a root password
15:48.23Zungoyeah
15:48.33Zungowhat if no installer?
15:48.47Zungothis is similar to skipping oobe in windows
15:52.34kerioinit=/bin/sh and passwd?
15:52.41keriohell, init=/bin/passwd
16:03.21Zungointeresting
16:11.04KotCzarnyOut Of Body Experience?
16:11.14KotCzarnywindoze can do that ? o.O
16:14.19Zungo:/
16:21.42keriohayyyyy
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16:53.35DocScrutinizer05~#devuan root
16:53.44DocScrutinizer05~#devuan login
16:53.55DocScrutinizer05~listkeys #devuan
16:54.13DocScrutinizer05~listkeys #devuan
16:54.46DocScrutinizer05~#devuan raspi login
16:54.46infobotwell, #devuan raspi login is pw toor https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-03/?msg=65351755&page=3
16:55.00DocScrutinizer05root, toor
16:55.08DocScrutinizer05Enrico_Menotti:
16:55.18Enrico_MenottiDebian, not Devuan.
16:55.24DocScrutinizer05ooh
16:55.28DocScrutinizer05nfc
16:55.52DocScrutinizer05and Wizzup alread had that
16:56.06DocScrutinizer05trolls out
16:57.42DocScrutinizer05>><kerio> hell, init=/bin/passwd<<  smaaaart :-D
16:59.01Enrico_MenottiOk, it seems root is disabled. If I enter it as username, I get refused. Anyway, I didn't get this init=/bin/passwd. May you explain?
16:59.51DocScrutinizer05in bootloader, replace init=$WHATEVER by init=/bin/passwd
17:00.26keriodon't
17:00.31DocScrutinizer05or by init=/bin/sh if you feel less venturous
17:00.32kerioreplace it with init=/bin/sh
17:01.01kerioor perhaps find a thing in your bootloader that says "single user mode"
17:01.41DocScrutinizer05which is basically the same
17:02.10Enrico_MenottiOk, so if I say init=/bin/sh it should go directly to the shell, right? And what if init=/bin/passwd?
17:02.53DocScrutinizer05then you explore something new that is likely to fail
17:03.13Enrico_MenottiAh.
17:03.21DocScrutinizer05and you have only one try since passwd isn't meant to accept multi line input
17:04.05DocScrutinizer05init= just tells kernel which program to start as pid1
17:04.24DocScrutinizer05could be anything
17:04.36DocScrutinizer05even fdisk ;-P
17:05.15DocScrutinizer05though i'm not sure how you pass cmdline parameters/options to that command
17:05.36DocScrutinizer05which might be why passwd fails
17:05.58keriowell, passwd's default behaviour is to set the root password
17:06.10DocScrutinizer05:nod: but I wasn't sure
17:06.44DocScrutinizer05actually the default behavior is to set the $user password
17:07.00DocScrutinizer05afaik
17:08.05DocScrutinizer05kernel environment I'm not sure which is $USER / EUID(), but prolly should be 0/root
17:08.53DocScrutinizer05then you of course want to make sure your root fs is mounted
17:09.07Enrico_Menotti"sh: can't access tty: job control turned off"
17:09.12DocScrutinizer05will prolly fail when this gets done in an initrd, eh?
17:09.35DocScrutinizer05hmm yeah, ouch
17:10.13DocScrutinizer05where is your image?
17:10.28Enrico_MenottiThe rootfs?
17:10.31DocScrutinizer05yep
17:10.40Enrico_Menottisd card
17:11.01DocScrutinizer05so why don't you copy over the etc/paswd from another machine?
17:11.50Enrico_MenottiI had a look at the etc/passwd. Seems there is root, with encrypted password. But Debian doesn't allow me to enter the password. As soon as I enter the user, I get refused.
17:11.55DocScrutinizer05well, razher use passwd command with parameter to point to the uSD etc/passwd
17:13.00Enrico_Menotti?
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17:16.31DocScrutinizer05so if there's /mnt/myuSD/etc/passwd the you invoke `passwd -R /mnt/myuSD root`
17:18.15DocScrutinizer05>> Regardless  of  whether shadow passwords are used, many system administrators use an asterisk (*) in the encrypted password field to make sure that this user can not authenticate        him- or herself using a password.  (But see NOTES below.)<<
17:19.21DocScrutinizer05are you sure it's not asking for the root password already? *Not* for the username
17:19.50Enrico_MenottiWell, what it says is "login"...
17:20.02DocScrutinizer05hmm yeah, user name
17:20.27Enrico_MenottiIf I enter anything different from "root", then asks for a pass, but refuses to log in.
17:20.34DocScrutinizer05it seems pretty weird when it doesn't accept root there
17:20.56Enrico_MenottiI'd think root is disabled.
17:22.43DocScrutinizer05I'd think maybe the shell set for root in passwd is blowing chunks? but also makes no sense since it first had to ask for password
17:23.08DocScrutinizer05maybe PAM or the crypt() lib is defect
17:24.09DocScrutinizer05could you paste the passwd file root record?
17:24.40Enrico_MenottiYes, but it's simple. There's just an "x" in place of the password.
17:25.00Enrico_MenottiAs far as I've been able to find, this means the password is encrypted somewhere else, right?
17:25.39Enrico_Menottiroot:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
17:26.44DocScrutinizer05BWAHAHA
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17:27.07DocScrutinizer05yeah, might mean it's in etc/shadow
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17:28.57Enrico_MenottiLet me have a look at /etc/shadow.
17:32.10Enrico_Menottiroot:*:17254:0:99999:7:::
17:32.22Enrico_MenottiHere it is. The "*" means "no login".
17:32.53Enrico_MenottiI will delete the "x" in /etc/passwd. It should allow login without password.
17:37.42DocScrutinizer05really?
17:39.32Enrico_MenottiNo doesn't work. I was reading here: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch04.en.html. There is a table saying "(empty): passwordless account", but doesn't work. I will try to set a password in clean.
17:39.53DocScrutinizer05The pwunconv command creates passwd from passwd and shadow and then removes shadow.
17:41.00Enrico_MenottiOk.
17:44.14Sicelowhere did the image come from?
17:45.43Enrico_MenottiNo way. Still doesn't allow me to insert a passwd.
17:45.56Enrico_MenottiThe image has been bootstrapped by me on a Debian system.
17:46.14Enrico_Menotti(Cross-bootstrapped.)
17:47.57KotCzarnyyou seem to self inflict troubles on yourself
17:50.02Enrico_MenottiKotCzarny Well, my goal is to learn how to build kernel and system image, not just boot them...
17:51.29Sicelocan you sudo with user?
17:52.25KotCzarnyjust run with init=/bin/bash and use passwd to set one
17:52.33KotCzarnyor clone entry from  pc
17:52.54Siceloseems he's already done that with no success .. (unless i misread)
17:53.12KotCzarnythen he has messed pam probably
17:53.33DocScrutinizer05hmm?
17:54.45KotCzarnyor login shells
17:58.39KotCzarnyaccessing /var/log/messages could help
17:59.02DocScrutinizer05Enrico_Menotti: copy a /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow from your linux PC, make sure the shell (last parameter after last : ) is actually existing in target system, and in /etc/shells
18:01.29Enrico_MenottiI tried to change the username for root. Doesn't work. When I use this new username, it doesn't allow me to enter a password. Looks like root privileges are disabled?!?
18:01.30DocScrutinizer05heck, first time I lost my root password, I edited etc/passwd with a disk editor inder windows (dualboot system) and changed the UID to 0. Worked ;-P
18:02.38DocScrutinizer05root privileges disabled? what the heck are you talking about?
18:04.12Enrico_MenottiIn fact - it's just an idea. I mean, it seems whenever I try to login as user "0" of group "0" it refuses it.
18:04.37DocScrutinizer05no, whenever you try to login, it breaks
18:05.08DocScrutinizer05you didn't even try with anything else than UID 0
18:05.19Enrico_MenottiI will now.
18:05.39DocScrutinizer05Enrico_Menotti: copy a /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow from your linux PC, make sure the shell (last parameter after last : ) is actually existing in target system, and in /etc/shells
18:06.15Enrico_MenottiOk, a minute.
18:06.58DocScrutinizer05id4eally make it /bin/sh
18:07.18DocScrutinizer05this should always be there and be allowed by etc/shells
18:08.02DocScrutinizer05also check /etc/login.defs
18:08.29DocScrutinizer05and man passwd
18:10.50DocScrutinizer05man login.defs:
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18:43.01Enrico_MenottiOk, copied /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow. I've been able to login as std user. Now I cannot switch to root since I don't have numbers working, and my root password is numeric...
18:43.15Zungoouch
18:43.18Zungowhat about sudo?
18:43.44Enrico_MenottiLet's try.
18:44.30Enrico_MenottiNo, command not found. Probably it's available only to root. May it be?
18:44.38ZungoEnrico_Menotti: do not try to change anything related to root.
18:44.48Zungoit should be username root with uid 0
18:44.49Zungoperiod
18:45.12ZungoCheck /etc/shells, ls /bin
18:45.37Enrico_MenottiOk, now I'm logging in, the problem is the password for root.
18:45.51ZungoChange it in your linux pc then?
18:45.53Zungo:/
18:46.15Zungoor get your layout fixed
18:46.22Zungokeyboard layout
18:46.44Enrico_Menotti...which would be the right solution.
18:47.05Zungooutside of the system
18:47.11Zungoexternally*
18:47.36Zungoprobably you should configure autologin as root
18:48.05Enrico_MenottiSo next steps: 1. Turning on the backlight (!). 2. Fix keyboard layout. 3. Allow power button to shutdown (!).
18:49.04Zungofor 3: enable power management/acpi/apm?
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18:50.11Zungoyeah you can do everything without the system running Enrico_Menotti
18:50.20Zungothose steps
18:51.05Enrico_MenottiDo you think I have to debootstrap again, or is it possible to modify something in the file system?
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19:17.19Enrico_MenottiI'm wondering whether I have some way to install packages to the Debian fs on sd card by connecting in mass storage mode to the Debian computer. (At present my N900, when I boot Debian on it, is isolated from the world, and I cannot even login as root.)
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19:28.07Sicelowifi should work in debian ..
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19:35.53Enrico_MenottiHow to turn it on without being root?
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19:52.11ZungoEnrico_Menotti: Put autologin as root
19:52.39Zungoi am sure there's a way to extract and repackage the filesystem
19:52.47Zungoand/or mount directly on linux system
19:53.38Enrico_MenottiWell, I can mount it on my Debian computer. Mass storage mode. But how to install packages there?
19:54.30Zungoyou chroot into it Enrico_Menotti
19:54.54Enrico_MenottiAs it is done in debootstrapping, right?
19:54.56Zungoseriously please research a bit more or ask common things like this in ##liunx please
19:55.00Zungouhm yeah i guess
19:55.07Zungohowever it works
19:55.52Zungoyou dont need /dev except when creating bootloader for example
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