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| 00:23.18 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~lf ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 02:10.10 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05, 21 = version 2.1 |
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| 03:04.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah :-) |
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| 05:11.57 | KotCzarny | willmore, laziness and dumb users. too many choices and chaos would ensue ;) |
| 05:12.02 | KotCzarny | eh. echan. |
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| 05:57.23 | xes | uh? DocScrutinizer05_v2.1 ?? :) |
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| 08:19.34 | brolin_empey | https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32795263337/32795263337.html?shortkey=3u6jyEJB&addresstype=600 |
| 08:19.35 | brolin_empey | Is there a disadvantage to this low-cost model of smartphone other than the non-removable battery and the lack of an integrated hardware keyboard? Let me guess, someone will mention the Android OS as opposed to a GNU+Linux OS, lack of long-term OS updates, or allegation of spying or a backdoor because it is from a Chinese company. |
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| 08:21.45 | bencoh | brolin_empey: or the qualcomm (american company, mind you) backdoor |
| 08:25.51 | brolin_empey | bencoh: You mean in the cellular modem? |
| 08:26.39 | bencoh | yeah |
| 08:26.50 | bencoh | (which is in the soc) |
| 08:27.57 | brolin_empey | I am considering buying this product for my friend, not for myself. |
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| 08:32.30 | brolin_empey | I do not know if the user can have superuser access on this computer either. My friend may not care but I have always had superuser access, which is part of why I am not considering the BlackBerry Priv. |
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| 08:36.49 | brolin_empey | The HTC myTouch 4G Slide from 2011 and the similar HTC Desire Z AKA T-Mobile G2 from 2010 have an integrated hardware keyboard but the hardware keyboard lacks arrow keys or a D-pad. At least for the myTouch 4G Slide, the newest version of the Android OS available seems to be only 4.x, specifically 4.4, but some things, such as Termux, already require at least 5.0 . |
| 08:43.33 | KotCzarny | if one doesnt care about software and just wants to have pr0n gadget, sure, it will do |
| 08:44.08 | KotCzarny | main disadvantage would be trying to get it repaired in case something bad happens |
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| 08:57.52 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: it = what? The computer I referenced on AliExpress? |
| 08:59.26 | KotCzarny | if by computer you mean phone, yeah |
| 09:02.01 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: No, by computer I mean mobile computer with converged telecommunication capability, commonly known as a smartphone even though it can be used only as a computer and not as a telephone. |
| 09:03.33 | KotCzarny | no, n900 is a mobile computer |
| 09:03.43 | KotCzarny | that android phone is a gadget |
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| 09:06.07 | brolin_empey | The Nokia N900 is a bad user experience, especially in Canada. We have already had this discussion months or years ago. |
| 09:06.47 | KotCzarny | im not talking about phone part, do we? |
| 09:07.04 | KotCzarny | unless you've changed definition of the computer again |
| 09:27.43 | buZz | > The Nokia N900 is a bad user experience, especially in Canada. |
| 09:27.44 | buZz | haha |
| 09:27.55 | buZz | yeah nationality greatly affects ability to use linux |
| 09:55.21 | ovaltine_ | nationality affects ability to use linux? :O |
| 09:55.26 | ovaltine_ | thats not good to hear |
| 09:56.12 | ovaltine_ | finally understands why he is still a newbie after 6 years of using n900 |
| 10:01.34 | buZz | ovaltine_: ^_^ i was joking :P |
| 10:02.03 | ovaltine_ | phew |
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| 14:03.39 | brolin_empey | buZz: You seem to have difficulty with reading comprehension. I said âin Canadaâ, not âfor Canadiansâ. The Nokia N900 has limited cellular connectivity, which is especially limiting in Canada. Find my previous discussion in the public log of this channel if you want the details. |
| 14:07.18 | buZz | i'd rather not be aware of any logs |
| 14:07.49 | buZz | but, isnt cellular reception in ~99% of canada non-existant? |
| 14:07.55 | buZz | wouldnt you rather have a iridium device? |
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| 15:42.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks |
| 15:50.16 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: thats humor , right? :P |
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| 15:51.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wish it was |
| 15:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | UMTS and LTE bands are a clusterfsck |
| 15:52.03 | buZz | yeah i dno |
| 15:52.16 | buZz | it sorta matches my idea of most of canada not having mobilephone coverage |
| 15:52.18 | buZz | but what do i know |
| 15:52.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, coverage is the one thing I can't find info for in that wikipage |
| 15:53.19 | buZz | there is https://opensignal.com/ but doesnt seem to have a lot of canadian samples |
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| 15:53.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | what I see is Canada is 1700 AWS |
| 15:54.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and 850/1900 |
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| 16:23.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe helping: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31587 |
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| 16:36.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: iridium is a zombie (was already dead before CIA(?) bought it for their purposes) and quite expensive |
| 16:38.19 | buZz | its still working and active |
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| 16:38.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but in a zombie state |
| 16:38.46 | buZz | iirc they even threw some new iridium sats up recently |
| 16:39.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, this must be Trump's idea |
| 16:39.15 | buZz | guy knows shit about tech |
| 16:39.31 | buZz | on January 14, 2017 |
| 16:39.36 | buZz | 10 got launched |
| 16:39.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | no of course not, but he's willing to spend billions into "USA FIRST" |
| 16:40.02 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: sure USAFIRST while moving all production to other nations |
| 16:40.22 | buZz | i love this kinda nationalism , 'I WILL MAKE JOBS' *closed all solar factories* |
| 16:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>... offer from Iridium as set by its parent company Motorola. The company failed to earn revenue sufficient to service the debt associated with building out the constellation and Iridium went bankrupt, the largest bankruptcy in US history at the time<< |
| 16:42.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooooh! >>Iridium is currently developing, and is expected to launch during 2017 and 2018,[10] Iridium NEXT, a second-generation worldwide network of telecommunications satellites<< |
| 16:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_satellite_constellation#See_also |
| 16:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Thuraya has very attractive offers |
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| 16:53.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Their service was restarted in 2001 by the newly founded Iridium Satellite LLC, which was owned by a group of private investors [[aka CIA straw men]]. Although the satellites and other assets and technology behind Iridium were estimated to have cost around US$6 billion, the investors bought the firm for about US$35 million.<< |
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| 16:55.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | all their spies and all their military abroad *needs* a service like Iridium |
| 16:55.47 | buZz | yeah |
| 16:55.58 | buZz | if you have a SDR you can listen in to iridium ;) |
| 16:56.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 16:56.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | not encrypted? |
| 16:56.15 | buZz | https://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/2qp0hl/iridium_pager_hacking_31c3/https://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/2qp0hl/iridium_pager_hacking_31c3/ |
| 16:56.20 | buZz | most isnt, no |
| 16:56.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha, Thuraya is GSM-pimped |
| 16:56.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | so at least weakly encrypted |
| 16:57.17 | buZz | nice, i saw the 1TB rainbow table requirement dropped since ~2013 |
| 16:57.24 | buZz | as cpus are now fast enough to do it realtime |
| 16:58.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | honesrly, in the end what counts is indoor call receive, and minute tariff |
| 16:58.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and there Thuraya is unbeatable afaik |
| 16:59.42 | buZz | dno |
| 16:59.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and since it's GSM-mod'o'fied there are even Thuraya sleeves for iPhones |
| 16:59.53 | buZz | i dont feel a need to talk through a microphone to people |
| 17:00.15 | buZz | seems outdated :P |
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| 17:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>page not found<< |
| 17:08.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | you meant this? http://www.rtl-sdr.com/tag/iridium/ |
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| 17:11.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird, the video seems hard to find |
| 17:12.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/muccc/iridium-toolkit still there so I doubt it's a conspiracy ;-) |
| 17:12.53 | buZz | what video? |
| 17:13.06 | buZz | https://media.ccc.de/search/?q=iridium <-- one of these? |
| 17:13.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly |
| 17:13.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I meant the one at bottom of http://www.rtl-sdr.com/tag/iridium/ |
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| 17:35.58 | buZz | thats https://media.ccc.de/v/31c3_-_6236_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201412281645_-_iridium_pager_hacking_-_sec_-_schneider |
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| 18:08.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | WAAAAHHHH!!!!! Calypso chipset!! |
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| 18:39.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | 28:50 ROTFL!!! sending pager messages is for free |
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| 18:44.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://messaging.iridium.com/ |
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| 19:06.42 | M4rtinK | lol |
| 19:06.50 | M4rtinK | what could possibly go wrong :) |
| 19:07.09 | M4rtinK | (world wide satellite base SPAM! ;-) ) |
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| 19:22.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed it's rate limited and volume/month limited |
| 19:24.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus you need to know the recipient number, and I guess other safeguard measures apply, like "what's your email addr? please verify by clicking the link in the mail you received" |
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| 22:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=99214 |
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