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| 09:34.33 | totalizator | update about my battery issue: I have rebooted my router and guess what - uptime is 6 days now and there is 57% battery left; wifi on |
| 09:34.39 | totalizator | doh |
| 09:41.28 | vahe | Sicelo: hi :) have you news about http://revelation.olasagasti.info/ for n900? :) |
| 10:16.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | totalizator: hehe |
| 10:23.50 | KotCzarny | http://devhumor.com/content/uploads/images/January2016/samsung-random.jpg |
| 10:23.55 | KotCzarny | oldie, but goldie |
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| 10:26.36 | Wizzup | lol |
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| 10:35.44 | totalizator | ohwell and btw http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2016/5/4/11593084/dont-get-busted-copying-code-from-stack-overflow |
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| 11:19.38 | totalizator | btw2 my android phone switches off when it decides it's too cold, WTH? |
| 11:20.00 | KotCzarny | chickenwussphone |
| 11:20.14 | KotCzarny | maybe some cold joint? |
| 11:20.25 | totalizator | and I mean it - last time I have left it by the opened window, it was like 5 C and it died |
| 11:20.38 | KotCzarny | did the battery die? |
| 11:20.45 | totalizator | nah |
| 11:21.00 | totalizator | it was like 30% after a powered it on again |
| 11:21.06 | totalizator | after I * |
| 11:22.56 | Vajb | at local magazine there was a test of android phones at -20. Results were from poor to useless |
| 11:23.14 | totalizator | but the phone itself has serious heat issues so this can be a side offect after a longer period of using |
| 11:23.25 | KotCzarny | was there an n900 in the test? |
| 11:23.37 | Vajb | nah |
| 11:23.41 | totalizator | I saw some image with variuous models to compare |
| 11:24.13 | totalizator | here http://images.pcworld.com/images/article/2012/02/cold20phone20tests20graphic_best-11078472.jpg |
| 11:24.26 | Vajb | hmm if i had working imgur plugin i could probably make a pics of test today ;) |
| 11:25.09 | KotCzarny | hah. |
| 11:27.19 | KotCzarny | nokia n9 has errores at -5C ? |
| 11:27.21 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 11:27.28 | Vajb | i recall testing being made by putting devices to freezer for some hours and then they tried to make call with it. HTC refused to work at all, untill it was kept at room temp for half an hour |
| 11:28.13 | KotCzarny | btw. tests should be done in the freezer too, because otherwise there will be water condensation everywhere inside |
| 11:30.10 | Vajb | "freezer" as cold storage |
| 11:37.15 | totalizator | my friend had a LG with broken digitizer that could be operated only after a few minutes in a freezer or when outside durig winter :3 |
| 11:38.29 | KotCzarny | some people have winter houses, he has winter phone |
| 11:55.56 | totalizator | lucky guy, yes |
| 11:57.30 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 11:57.35 | KotCzarny | first allwinner clone? |
| 12:00.02 | KotCzarny | oops, ECHAN |
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| 14:51.49 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: looks like oscp is needed in sailfish land, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=99208 |
| 14:52.06 | KotCzarny | yeah, but have you seen my reply? |
| 14:52.33 | KotCzarny | oh |
| 14:52.34 | Sicelo | no. i see only three posts ... |
| 14:52.37 | KotCzarny | it's different thread |
| 14:52.41 | Sicelo | ok |
| 14:52.46 | KotCzarny | someone recently asked about sf too |
| 14:53.14 | KotCzarny | do you know what audio system sf uses? |
| 14:53.22 | Sicelo | nop |
| 14:53.24 | Sicelo | :) |
| 14:53.33 | KotCzarny | if evilaudio they could try oscp core + oscp-remote.py |
| 14:53.34 | Sicelo | PA most likely, |
| 14:53.54 | bencoh | probably PA yeah |
| 14:54.02 | KotCzarny | it might even work without any change needed (though version for n900 has a few n900 specific hacks) |
| 14:54.42 | Sicelo | someone please let vahe know that i will not be working on revelation :-) |
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| 15:03.33 | Wizzup | freemangordon: going to install devuan on a few n900s tonight :) I also hope to start with a manual repo for now - so building all the packages and making a custom deb repo |
| 15:03.40 | Wizzup | it's not too hard, I've done it before... |
| 15:05.00 | Zungo | ah, how that going Wizzup ? |
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| 15:24.39 | NotKit | Wizzup, what device do you use for building? |
| 15:24.50 | NotKit | or QEMU? |
| 15:26.24 | Wizzup | Zungo: more info later, if there is things to report on |
| 15:26.30 | Wizzup | NotKit: for building what |
| 15:26.49 | NotKit | ARM packages |
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| 15:27.04 | Wizzup | my work laptop is arm |
| 15:27.11 | Zungo | heh |
| 15:27.15 | Zungo | Lucky man |
| 15:27.19 | NotKit | is Chromebook? |
| 15:27.20 | Wizzup | it's a cheap chromebook |
| 15:27.37 | Wizzup | been running gentoo on it for a good 2, maybe 3, years |
| 15:28.52 | Wizzup | bbiab. |
| 15:29.16 | Wizzup | I have spare arm hw if people need it. Can set up a container or something. |
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| 15:29.32 | Wizzup | Soon, for work, I'll have access to an AMD Opteron A1100 |
| 15:29.34 | Wizzup | (that's arm) |
| 15:29.41 | Wizzup | that might speed up things a lot |
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| 15:38.13 | Sicelo | hi vahe. i regret that i'll probably disappoint you - i am not a dev, and cannot work on revelation for you |
| 15:39.26 | vahe | Sicelo: thanks for the response, what's the problem I don't understand :) |
| 15:39.52 | Sicelo | problem is that i am not a programmer :) |
| 15:40.04 | vahe | this is a very good alternatives for storing passwords :( |
| 15:40.52 | vahe | and can someone can help it's for everyone and not a bad program? |
| 15:41.01 | Sicelo | seen pwsafe? |
| 15:41.10 | NotKit | does Maemo have KeePass? |
| 15:41.40 | Sicelo | NotKit: iirc that one had serious UI issues .. no idea if they were ever fixed. |
| 15:42.51 | vahe | Sicelo: yes but the nice thing is ,when you use that on the computer and on the phone :) |
| 15:43.21 | elros34 | KotCzarny: I was just curious and tried oscp on sfos but without success. I have only: Could not open file msg. |
| 15:43.27 | vahe | NotKit: keepassx but I have a lot of problems , then very heavy as it is QT |
| 15:44.04 | bencoh | keepassx is from 2011 |
| 15:44.19 | vahe | Revelation gtk is very small and can be easily used in N900 |
| 15:44.58 | vahe | http://revelation.olasagasti.info/ |
| 15:45.00 | Sicelo | revelation seems old too .. |
| 15:45.53 | Sicelo | anyway, might even need a lot of adaptation - pygtk2.8. we have 2.12 |
| 15:46.09 | vahe | NotKit: https://lut.im/fp9Yn6gJof/mm4o7tMbsfMYdFmf.png |
| 15:46.24 | vahe | NotKit: 2. https://lut.im/eU8kgqzXIg/gVyfzGkxsMyaC1V4.png |
| 15:46.45 | vahe | and 3 https://lut.im/YL4yvts0FQ/9EJ4uJNbGYSRbN4f.png :) |
| 15:48.01 | vahe | revelation also now is not updated development stopped , but it doesn't matter :) |
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| 15:48.39 | vahe | we have a chance to launch the program which is created only for Linux , i.e. this program will only we have a N900 and Linux |
| 15:48.41 | vahe | :P |
| 15:48.56 | vahe | it's cool |
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| 15:49.51 | vahe | so much qt lib ... can't simply run without bugs :D |
| 15:49.56 | vahe | keepassx |
| 15:51.02 | Sicelo | the same might be true of GTK :) |
| 15:51.22 | KotCzarny | naah, oscp-remote-gtk is almost bugless ;) |
| 15:52.32 | vahe | probably :P |
| 15:53.56 | vahe | no one wants to help :) ? |
| 15:57.49 | vahe | if someone will help I'm willing to do the translation into 2 languages the program or something , I translate, Armenian Russian |
| 15:57.51 | vahe | :D |
| 15:58.20 | vahe | good for good |
| 15:58.44 | Sicelo | might have more luck if you promise them N950 ;) |
| 16:02.17 | vahe | Sicelo: I never seen this phone :D |
| 16:02.55 | vahe | once saw someone was selling in eBay )) |
| 16:03.21 | KotCzarny | it's a white crow of the maemo world ;) |
| 16:03.34 | vahe | yup ) |
| 16:03.51 | vahe | but Maemo 6 is the same right? MeeGo |
| 16:04.17 | vahe | I used MeeGo , not as cool as Maemo 5 |
| 16:04.20 | bencoh | not really |
| 16:04.29 | Sicelo | where did you use MeeGo? |
| 16:04.39 | vahe | n9 |
| 16:05.58 | vahe | nokia n9 :) |
| 16:06.23 | vahe | but there I did not like that for example no pidgin |
| 16:06.28 | vahe | or tor |
| 16:07.07 | bencoh | tbh, meego UI has always seemed better that the maemo5 one to me ... |
| 16:07.31 | bencoh | "better" as in more user-friendly for a daily phone |
| 16:08.14 | Sicelo | plain MeeGo or Harmattan? |
| 16:08.39 | bencoh | meego/harmattan ... I'm only talking about the UI/UX |
| 16:08.53 | Sicelo | that's why i ask :) |
| 16:08.54 | bencoh | not about the OS as a whole |
| 16:09.09 | Sicelo | because N9 UI was different to the plain MeeGo one, iirc |
| 16:09.32 | bencoh | indeed |
| 16:09.45 | Sicelo | so which one you're referring to .. |
| 16:10.00 | bencoh | the one powering the Nokia N9 |
| 16:11.41 | vahe | to be honest, and MeeGo and Maemo is for me the best OS for phone , and symbian :) |
| 16:12.33 | vahe | Yes, Nokia good beat and created operating system source code |
| 16:13.19 | vahe | who would have thought that after so many years of closing may we'll talk about it :) |
| 16:13.59 | vahe | this is my friends "free OS" |
| 16:15.31 | vahe | when I bought new N900 about 3 weeks ago for big money may the wife thought I was paranoid :D |
| 16:16.15 | vahe | https://spyurk.am/posts/2477759 that :D |
| 16:16.53 | Sicelo | who says you're not? haha |
| 16:17.14 | vahe | :P |
| 16:17.20 | Sicelo | you bought two? |
| 16:18.46 | vahe | I know almost everything about blackberry 4-6 or 10 , android,ios ,nothing compares to Maemo ) |
| 16:18.51 | vahe | Sicelo: now they are 2 :) |
| 16:19.14 | vahe | both new so that 10 years will be able to use if I'm careful :) |
| 16:22.13 | vahe | the night I went to bed ) happy to chat with you |
| 16:22.31 | vahe | I'll be here if anything |
| 16:24.58 | vahe | https://spyurk.am/posts/2466523 this I :P |
| 16:43.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | the text is very funny to look at |
| 16:43.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 16:45.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://spyurk.am/people/63fce2a7df46a5f0 norayr? rings a bell |
| 16:46.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | what the heck is that?? >Õ´Õ«Õ»Õ¡Õ¦Õ£Õ¡ÕµÕ«Õ¶ Õ¢Õ¡Õ¼<< |
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| 16:50.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL https://spyurk.am/posts/2479854 |
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| 19:31.34 | NotKit | Wizzup, did you build the packages by hand or there is something to automate this? |
| 19:37.25 | Wizzup | NotKit: I want to automate it, but it is not automated atm. So I'm going to re-do what I did before, in a devuan VM, and take full notes, and turn that into a shell script initially |
| 19:37.36 | Wizzup | and then when devuan amprolla works, we will piggy back on their CI |
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| 19:39.26 | NotKit | I have very stupid command list to build on x86 VM if this can be helpful |
| 19:40.49 | APic | ð |
| 19:42.02 | NotKit | https://pastebin.com/bKNTudh0 |
| 19:43.36 | NotKit | sorry, pasted wrong - https://pastebin.com/GeFEiTFy |
| 19:45.13 | Wizzup | NotKit: very helpful! |
| 19:47.55 | Wizzup | NotKit: do we need to fetch all those debs from maemo-repos? |
| 19:48.00 | Wizzup | To build the essential packages? |
| 19:49.59 | NotKit | they are needed to install them, otherwise dpkg will complain |
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| 19:54.39 | freemangordon | Pali: ping |
| 19:54.49 | Pali | freemangordon: pong |
| 19:55.17 | freemangordon | Pali: is it possible to use dkms to patch a driver in the current kernel? |
| 19:55.44 | Pali | with dkms you can easily compile new kernel module |
| 19:55.56 | freemangordon | I am hit by a "inverted microphone" bug, and a quirk needs to be applied to the intel hda drver |
| 19:56.17 | Pali | in case driver for the current kernel is via module (and not compiled in vmlinuz image), then yes |
| 19:56.44 | freemangordon | but, do i need to get the whole driver code? |
| 19:57.08 | freemangordon | or I can simply provide a .patch file in dkms package? |
| 19:58.39 | freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ ? |
| 19:58.54 | Pali | you need whole driver code |
| 19:59.09 | Pali | dkms is just script which call make |
| 19:59.17 | Pali | and copy .ko files in /lib/modules/ |
| 19:59.29 | freemangordon | ok, thanks |
| 20:04.10 | freemangordon | Pali: did you ever do such thing for ubuntu kernel? do I get it right - I have to apt-get source the kernel, then run debian/rules patch, copy the driver in question code as dkms module and patch it? |
| 20:04.25 | Pali | yes, I did it |
| 20:04.39 | Pali | but I just copied module source code directly from git.kernel.org |
| 20:04.46 | freemangordon | ah |
| 20:04.50 | Pali | and then created dkms archive |
| 20:05.02 | freemangordon | but it will be missing the patches from ubuntu |
| 20:05.15 | freemangordon | ok, going to try my way |
| 20:05.16 | Pali | I just did it for one module |
| 20:05.32 | freemangordon | yes, one module is what I need, but nevertheless it has ubuntu patches |
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| 20:05.52 | Pali | then get ubuntu source code |
| 20:06.01 | Pali | and apply patches |
| 20:06.06 | Pali | and compile/create dkms |
| 20:06.13 | Pali | should work too |
| 20:06.31 | Pali | you just need source files (and it does not matter from where you get them) |
| 20:10.54 | Wizzup | NotKit: but are they build time deps? |
| 20:12.56 | Wizzup | NotKit: ah, they are just translationsa |
| 20:13.17 | freemangordon | Pali: seems patches in ubuntu kernal are already applied, at least there is no debian/patches directory |
| 20:13.22 | freemangordon | *kernel |
| 20:13.32 | Pali | that is possible |
| 20:13.38 | NotKit | Wizzup, they are runtime deps of packages which are themselves build time deps |
| 20:13.46 | Wizzup | yeah, I just realised |
| 20:13.48 | Pali | and also now unpacking dsc package automatically apply all patches |
| 20:14.13 | Pali | so after dpkg-source -x you should have source directory with all patches ready |
| 20:16.00 | freemangordon | well, I did apt-get source, but it should be the same |
| 20:41.03 | Wizzup | NotKit: good stuff |
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| 20:42.06 | NotKit | note that there were some small issues during compiling which I didn't try to account for |
| 20:44.51 | Wizzup | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:27.53 | Enrico_Menotti | Hello, is anybody available who may explain to me a couple of things about system images, in connection with the N900? |
| 22:38.43 | Wizzup | We've tested the devuan image a bit, wifi should now work by default, and figured out some evdev ts stuff (instead of using tslib) |
| 22:39.09 | Wizzup | freemangordon: amprolla is estimated to be ready for our usage in 2 weeks (cc parazyd) |
| 22:39.39 | parazyd | yeah, there was talk about do/don't rewrite it from scratch |
| 22:39.42 | parazyd | but i have to |
| 22:40.05 | parazyd | the one running is not written by programmers and it's a mess tbh |
| 22:41.02 | parazyd | there is also some talk about gitlab deprecation, but i don't know much yet |
| 22:41.09 | parazyd | the ci (jenkins) stays in place though |
| 22:42.14 | parazyd | also good progress today, if anyone needs a devuan image, here goes: https://pub.parazyd.cf/tmp/ |
| 22:51.55 | Enrico_Menotti | Sorry for my ignorance, but I still don't understand the difference between initrd and rootfs - I mean, the flasher may upload kernels, initrd's and rootfs's. Now in order to boot rescue OS I have to upload the first two. I did that successfully. But if one wants to boot any chosen Linux distro, first thing is to build kernel and file system, and then upload the zImage for the kernel, but what for the file system? Is |
| 22:51.55 | Enrico_Menotti | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.30 | bencoh | "rootfs" usually refers to a root filesystem lying open on top of some kind of blockdevice |
| 23:03.29 | bencoh | initrd/initramfs usually refer to some file hierarchy archive that is loaded by kernel at early boot stage in lieu of a root "fs" |
| 23:03.56 | bencoh | either by loading it as a ramdisk, or as a tmpfs in which it is extracted |
| 23:05.17 | bencoh | some (so-called live) systems run entirely from an initramfs, with no rootfs lying on any blockdevice |
| 23:05.55 | bencoh | and some system boot directly from a blockdevice (specified by root=) with no initrd/initramfs |
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| 23:23.21 | Maxdamantus | Enrico_Menotti: if you do create a filesystem image that you intend to upload using flasher, it should probably be in ubifs rather than something like ext*. |
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| 23:23.56 | Maxdamantus | I think ubifs has userspace tools for creating such images from a directory. |
| 23:25.54 | Maxdamantus | as bencoh pretty much said, initrd/initramfs is a filesystem that just exists in RAM; Linux is told about the address it's in as it loads, and it might copy the contents somewhere else into RAM before running init. |
| 23:27.43 | Maxdamantus | if you instead just specify root=, it will try to mount that as a normal filesystem (so it's up to the usual filesystem drivers (ext4, btrfs, ubifs)) to figure out how to present the filesystem. |
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