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| 11:55.18 | bencoh | hmm, looks like even 35.157.6.107 no longer pings ( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90651&page=25 ) |
| 12:00.32 | jonwil | But do any of the IP addresses given in that post actually answer SUPL requests anymore? |
| 12:02.00 | jonwil | The 52.22.201.16 address does seem to be answering SUPL requests |
| 12:05.54 | bencoh | I don't think any of those still answer |
| 12:24.55 | Sicelo | uh oh |
| 12:26.01 | jonwil | The 52.22.201.16 address seems to be answering to SUPL requests for me |
| 12:26.07 | jonwil | If I put that into /etc/hosts |
| 12:41.10 | Sicelo | yes that one is working for me too (wondering for how long .. ) |
| 12:55.51 | bencoh | works with supl-client indeed |
| 13:02.25 | jonwil | All I know is that at this point I can get fast accurate GPS lock |
| 13:02.43 | jonwil | which is what matters to me |
| 13:03.04 | jonwil | I can get that lock in both maps and fahrplan :) |
| 13:07.37 | jonwil | Its unclear exactly what its doing (tcpdump capture shows no packets sent to the 52.22.201.16 address but that doesn't necessarily mean anything) but hey, it works so who cares :) |
| 13:07.59 | jonwil | Obviously at some point a new supl server is needed, one that wont go away. |
| 13:21.46 | Sicelo | or if we are somehow able to make Google's work ...it used to work some long time ago |
| 13:23.12 | sixwheeledbeast | I hope that maemo.org could host one. |
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| 13:51.39 | bencoh | hmm |
| 13:51.42 | bencoh | $ cmcli -c common-ca -v supl.nokia.com:7275 |
| 13:51.43 | bencoh | 1ad16dd494e161abd39bd94ed94bf8eafe4ede28 supl.nokia.com Verification failed: self signed certificate |
| 13:51.57 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 13:51.58 | bencoh | using 52.22.201.16 in /etc/hosts |
| 13:52.06 | bencoh | that's ... strange? |
| 13:52.33 | KotCzarny | that 52... ip is old supl.nokia one? |
| 13:52.53 | bencoh | supposed to be, yeah |
| 13:53.13 | bencoh | was symantec CA removed at some point? |
| 13:53.18 | bencoh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.53 | KotCzarny | maybe it expired? |
| 13:54.00 | bencoh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.02 | KotCzarny | will fail in 2 months anyway? lol2 |
| 13:55.24 | KotCzarny | i would start migrating from nokia's infra to something current |
| 13:56.54 | bencoh | we don't have "something current" |
| 13:57.07 | bencoh | supl.sonyericsson.com should work as well, btw |
| 13:57.17 | bencoh | apart from the unrecognized certificate |
| 13:57.47 | bencoh | (same issue as google I think) |
| 13:58.55 | KotCzarny | or start nudging maemo.org infra guys/council to create our own? |
| 14:00.12 | bencoh | it's not that simple |
| 14:00.24 | KotCzarny | nudging IS simple ;) |
| 14:00.29 | bencoh | meh :) |
| 14:00.44 | KotCzarny | observe! |
| 14:00.48 | KotCzarny | xes: *poke* |
| 14:00.51 | sixwheeledbeast | it may not be simple but it needs addressing somehow |
| 14:01.21 | bencoh | we'd need to sync ephemerids/almanachs from relevant sources, find a way to parse it, and serve it in a suitable way |
| 14:02.25 | bencoh | plus I don't know of any complete opensource supl server, so one would have to write it (supl-client/supl-proxy could serve as a base / reference) |
| 14:02.34 | xes | KotCzarny: ? |
| 14:02.52 | KotCzarny | xes, do you know who should we poke regarding new service on maemo.org ? |
| 14:03.27 | xes | KotCzarny: warfare and me. Are you talking about supl server? |
| 14:03.32 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 14:03.52 | KotCzarny | should it go through council or not necessarily? |
| 14:04.12 | warfare | I don't think it should go through council if it is something small like a supl server. |
| 14:04.37 | xes | ... we have to evaluate how manage all the data collected by the server |
| 14:05.18 | warfare | xes: easy: disable logging ;) |
| 14:05.45 | KotCzarny | do you guys know of any already available servers or it would have to be written as bencoh's suggested? |
| 14:06.04 | xes | warfare: this no logging must be clearly declared |
| 14:07.28 | KotCzarny | or just declare that data stored on server is only for service needs and user agrees to it by chosing to use it? |
| 14:08.24 | warfare | KotCzarny: none that I know of and a quick googling revealed none. |
| 14:08.30 | xes | KotCzarny: i remember some supl proxy tool, but i don't know any other complete supl server |
| 14:09.11 | KotCzarny | hmm, i have great idea, let's make the coding regatta winner code one! ;) |
| 14:09.16 | xes | https://www.tajuma.com/supl/supl-proxy-ex.html |
| 14:09.21 | KotCzarny | as a token of appreciation |
| 14:16.51 | bencoh | yeah that's the supl-proxy I was talking about |
| 14:17.01 | bencoh | but it's far from being a complete server |
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| 14:29.37 | bencoh | hmm, that's crazy |
| 14:29.55 | bencoh | can't we force ssl or maemocert to just add an exception for a cert+domain?! |
| 14:32.04 | freemangordon | bencoh: what is the problem? |
| 14:33.51 | bencoh | freemangordon: I just fetched certificate from supl.sonyericsson.com (using openssl s_client -showcerts), added it to maemocert using sudo cmcli -c common-ca -a result.pem |
| 14:34.03 | bencoh | cmcli -c common-ca -L |grep sony shows it |
| 14:34.27 | bencoh | but then cmcli -c common-ca -v supl.sonyericsson.com:7275 still fails |
| 14:34.38 | bencoh | hmm, woops |
| 14:35.12 | bencoh | I might know why actually ... |
| 14:35.21 | bencoh | cmcli -T common-ca -v supl.sonyericsson.com:7275 works |
| 14:35.26 | freemangordon | mhm |
| 14:35.29 | bencoh | funny how -T common-ca -L doesn't show cert |
| 14:35.34 | bencoh | -c common-ca -L shows it |
| 14:35.46 | bencoh | looks like a cmcli bug to me |
| 14:35.56 | freemangordon | the question is - does supl works? |
| 14:36.09 | freemangordon | *work |
| 14:36.23 | bencoh | 65d16a388a3264df9d6624c9ac7f273a49644346 supl.sonyericsson.com Verification failed: unable to get local issuer certificate |
| 14:36.29 | bencoh | nevermind the -T part, it still fails |
| 14:36.34 | bencoh | (works on supl.nokia.com though) |
| 14:36.46 | freemangordon | what happens if you try to openns connect? |
| 14:36.54 | freemangordon | *openssl connect |
| 14:36.57 | bencoh | doesn't work |
| 14:36.59 | KotCzarny | did format change somehow? some newer revision in supl? |
| 14:37.12 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: he is unable to connect :) |
| 14:37.15 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 14:37.24 | bencoh | but ... I suppose openssl s_client doesn't use maemocert anyway |
| 14:37.32 | KotCzarny | good ol' n900's cert fun |
| 14:37.38 | freemangordon | bencoh: :nod: |
| 14:37.44 | freemangordon | bencoh: are you on cssu? |
| 14:37.58 | bencoh | -stable, but yeah |
| 14:38.17 | freemangordon | well, it is not "yah" because your openssl is old |
| 14:38.24 | KotCzarny | go thumb, it gives you quite a bit of free mem |
| 14:38.32 | freemangordon | heh |
| 14:38.34 | bencoh | OpenSSL 0.9.8zf 19 Mar 2015 |
| 14:38.39 | bencoh | not that old |
| 14:38.43 | freemangordon | hmm, should be ok then |
| 14:38.48 | bencoh | ;) |
| 14:38.53 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 14:39.26 | bencoh | so ... cmcli does verify supl.nokia.com |
| 14:39.28 | freemangordon | bencoh: could you try to connect via openssl wit dumpcerts option and pastebin the result |
| 14:39.37 | freemangordon | I suspect we're missing some sony root cert |
| 14:39.43 | bencoh | we are |
| 14:40.17 | bencoh | my question is, why adding supl.sonyericsson.com cert (since I dont want to add their CA) doesn't work? |
| 14:41.09 | freemangordon | looks like this is how it should be :) |
| 14:41.23 | freemangordon | all the chain should be trusted |
| 14:41.30 | bencoh | http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=m329e9536 |
| 14:41.38 | freemangordon | and you're missing the root cert |
| 14:41.42 | bencoh | and we're back to my first point |
| 14:41.49 | bencoh | why can't we add a per-domain exception?! |
| 14:41.59 | bencoh | why should I trust Sony's CA?! |
| 14:42.08 | bencoh | it's a system-wide trust ... |
| 14:42.27 | freemangordon | bencoh: because root certs are system-wide AFAIK |
| 14:42.41 | freemangordon | bencoh: OR... |
| 14:42.56 | bencoh | which is why I'd like to only add the domain cert itself, but... |
| 14:43.02 | bencoh | or? |
| 14:43.08 | Sicelo | bencoh: any reason you don't like to to trust sony's? :) |
| 14:43.10 | freemangordon | we should add sony's root CA the same way we did for those insecure symantec certs |
| 14:43.25 | bencoh | Sicelo: issuer=/C=SE/L=Lund/O=Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications AB/OU=Sony Ericsson Secure E2E |
| 14:43.32 | bencoh | are you willing to widly trust this? |
| 14:43.38 | bencoh | wildly* |
| 14:43.44 | bencoh | freemangordon: how did you add it? |
| 14:43.52 | freemangordon | bencoh: https://github.com/community-ssu/maemo-security-certman/commit/e2270fac46ad2da172b42d9bcbb7fe6806b2accb |
| 14:44.05 | bencoh | freemangordon: are you referring to the CA used to sign supl.nokia.com? |
| 14:44.10 | freemangordon | yes |
| 14:44.22 | freemangordon | but, root cert, not the intermediate one |
| 14:44.30 | bencoh | hmm |
| 14:44.34 | Sicelo | question is though .. does sony's supl provide data in a way that Maemo understands? bencoh << |
| 14:44.47 | freemangordon | just add sony's root cert in etc/certs/location-proxy/ |
| 14:44.53 | bencoh | freemangordon: I don't have that here (since -stable) |
| 14:45.01 | freemangordon | yes, it is new |
| 14:45.11 | bencoh | so how comes it's still able to verify it? |
| 14:45.18 | bencoh | did they fix their chain somehow? |
| 14:45.25 | Sicelo | because iirc google's doesn't work due to something related to alamanc data being sent or not sent |
| 14:45.43 | freemangordon | bencoh: at some point supl become broken for those using cssu-devel ;) |
| 14:45.50 | bencoh | Sicelo: that's actually what I'm willing to check |
| 14:45.57 | bencoh | freemangordon: I'm not using -devel :D |
| 14:46.07 | freemangordon | Sicelo: we'll understand once we're able to connect to it |
| 14:46.08 | bencoh | (well, only importing a few packets here and there :p) |
| 14:46.24 | freemangordon | bencoh: and this was the fix, that will go into the next -testing |
| 14:46.31 | freemangordon | the commit ^^^ |
| 14:46.35 | bencoh | ah |
| 14:47.00 | freemangordon | but you could use it as an example on how to add a root cert used only by location-proxy |
| 14:47.11 | freemangordon | and not system-wide |
| 14:47.20 | bencoh | I suppose location-proxy automatically uses the location-proxy store then? |
| 14:47.21 | freemangordon | bencoh: got it? |
| 14:47.23 | KotCzarny | nice |
| 14:47.24 | freemangordon | yes |
| 14:47.46 | bencoh | then I should be able to add sony root using cmcli |
| 14:47.52 | bencoh | the thing is ... I don't have the root cert |
| 14:47.54 | freemangordon | bencoh: it uses common-ca and appends location-proxy store |
| 14:47.59 | bencoh | it's missing |
| 14:48.09 | freemangordon | bencoh: yes, that's normal :) |
| 14:48.11 | bencoh | it's absent from the cert chain |
| 14:48.22 | freemangordon | we should find somebody woth a sony device :) |
| 14:48.26 | bencoh | huhu |
| 14:48.26 | freemangordon | *with |
| 14:48.36 | bencoh | I guess we could do that |
| 14:48.47 | KotCzarny | or browse old firmware images? |
| 14:48.51 | freemangordon | mhm |
| 14:49.20 | freemangordon | or ask google :D |
| 14:49.27 | bencoh | Sicelo: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1468009&postcount=190 |
| 14:49.30 | bencoh | you might be right |
| 14:50.33 | freemangordon | bencoh: yes, we know Sicelo might be right, but we can't be sure until we try it |
| 14:52.06 | Sicelo | i'm busy with somehting for the next few hours, but am on -devel and willing to test (with some guidance perhaps) ... if someone finds the sony cert let me know |
| 14:54.37 | xes | warfare: it seems we were searching for the wrong words... "RRLP server" |
| 14:54.40 | xes | http://genesysguru.com/blog/blog/2013/04/06/rrlp-and-openbts-rrlp-installation/ |
| 14:55.44 | xes | freemangordon: have you any idea about how is current RRLP implementation in the N900? |
| 14:55.49 | freemangordon | NFC |
| 14:56.08 | freemangordon | but I was wondering - can't we buy a commercial product? |
| 14:57.03 | bencoh | xes: nice |
| 15:05.39 | Sicelo | hmm, isn't RRLP something different? that's basically location via cell id |
| 15:05.54 | bencoh | Sicelo: not exactly |
| 15:05.56 | Sicelo | which makes sense to be related to openbts .. |
| 15:05.58 | Sicelo | ok |
| 15:06.02 | Sicelo | ~rrlp |
| 15:06.02 | infobot | RRLP is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://osmocom.org/projects/security/wiki/RRLP |
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| 17:24.51 | bencoh | hmm ... http://celestrak.com/GPS/almanac/Yuma/almanac.yuma.txt |
| 17:25.44 | bencoh | (found on genesysguru.com blog in another rrlp article) |
| 17:47.29 | bencoh | and ftp://ftp.trimble.com/pub/eph/ |
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| 18:03.38 | KotCzarny | drat, i love debugging obscure errors |
| 18:04.10 | KotCzarny | for a future reference, remember to compile sublibs with the same cflags. /me nudges -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 |
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| 18:08.03 | bencoh | hmm, looks like cmt-reset (as root) really works on maemo ... it does resets modem properly |
| 18:08.34 | bencoh | including GPS, since location-daemon then fetches SUPL data back from server |
| 18:08.55 | KotCzarny | 'does reset' or 'do resets' |
| 18:08.55 | bencoh | that's pretty handy to help debugging A-GPS |
| 18:09.08 | bencoh | does reset |
| 18:09.09 | bencoh | :) |
| 18:09.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:09.44 | bencoh | bottomline is, 52.22.201.16 supl.nokia.com really works |
| 18:09.48 | bencoh | (for now ...) |
| 18:09.52 | KotCzarny | oh? |
| 18:10.00 | KotCzarny | why it wasnt working before? |
| 18:10.13 | bencoh | I wasn't sure it worked before |
| 18:10.17 | bencoh | now I know for sure |
| 18:10.41 | bencoh | jonwil said he didn't see anything in tcpdump so I had to check ... hence cmt-reset |
| 18:12.13 | bencoh | well, at least I do see packets going through |
| 18:12.32 | KotCzarny | make sure those aren't 404 ;) |
| 18:14.57 | bencoh | with no enabled data connection it doesn't get a proper fix |
| 18:15.15 | bencoh | it does as soon as I enable gprs data :) |
| 18:15.26 | KotCzarny | nice |
| 18:17.19 | bencoh | regarding having our own server, looks like we can easily get "live" ephemeris/almanac data and use the openbts rrlp server, but afaiui we're still missing the supl<->rrlp glue |
| 18:17.27 | bencoh | not sure though |
| 18:20.33 | KotCzarny | yay! it works, muahahhahahahhahaah |
| 18:20.55 | KotCzarny | spent almost whole day debugging miscompiled library |
| 18:21.03 | KotCzarny | at least it works now :) |
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| 19:13.55 | Enrico__ | Hello, I am trying to install NITDroid on a Nokia N900 from here: |
| 19:13.57 | Enrico__ | https://archive.org/download/NitdroidNokiaN900 |
| 19:14.15 | KotCzarny | unsupported, risky, wouldn't work |
| 19:14.34 | KotCzarny | if you really need android tablet with kb there are better options |
| 19:14.48 | Enrico__ | What do you mean? |
| 19:15.09 | Enrico__ | Is there anything for the N900? |
| 19:15.11 | KotCzarny | what will you be doing with nitdroid? |
| 19:15.42 | Enrico__ | Well, I just would like to install some apps which are not available for Maemo. |
| 19:15.59 | KotCzarny | but would telephony work? |
| 19:16.17 | Enrico__ | Why not? |
| 19:17.39 | Enrico__ | ? |
| 19:18.12 | KotCzarny | because i have never heard of nitdroid supporting telephony on n900 |
| 19:18.29 | KotCzarny | also, n900 has 256M of ram, which is TINY when it comes to android |
| 19:18.48 | Enrico__ | I understand. Are there better options? |
| 19:18.49 | KotCzarny | so just grab yourself some old native android phone with physical kb |
| 19:19.24 | KotCzarny | some people were experimenting with apkenv to run droid apps on maemo, but it's not satisfactory as well |
| 19:21.08 | Enrico__ | In any case, I would like to try, just for the sake of knowledge and to see what happens. |
| 19:21.45 | KotCzarny | you like to hurt yourself, won't stop you then |
| 19:22.28 | KotCzarny | but keep in mind that even old gingerbread on htc hero (380MB of ram) was slow |
| 19:26.18 | Enrico__ | No problem. It's kind of a game. But I'd need to understand some things to try. |
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| 19:30.33 | KotCzarny | if you want to play with android innards, better grab some development board (ie. one of allwinner ones). they are much more hacker friendly (more connectors, unbrickable, uart exposed etc) |
| 19:30.52 | KotCzarny | or allwinner tablet (similarly unbrickable) |
| 19:31.11 | KotCzarny | cheap too |
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| 20:15.33 | Sicelo009N | nice find bencoh, re - cmt-reset |
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| 21:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell Enrico__ about maemo-multiboot |
| 21:18.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~nitdroid |
| 21:18.32 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, nitdroid is Nokia Internet Tablets with android OS. Support on nitdroid is provided in the channel #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help and Nokia does not officially support owners with android OS on their tablets. For more information read here: http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=NITDroid_project. If you have bricked your N900 device and have installed nitdroid, flash with both eMMC and fiasco. |
| 21:21.36 | Enrico__ | Hello, my N900 is not bricked any more. |
| 21:21.48 | Enrico__ | I have u-boot working and Maemo as well. |
| 21:22.00 | Enrico__ | Just playing around with NITDroid. |
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| 22:26.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | search terms: replicant, alien dalvik, libhybris |
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| 22:40.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and steer clear a 100 miles from multiboot! whatever you choose to install as second OS, uBoot will boot it fine |
| 22:55.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | multiboot *will* brick your N900, sooner or later |
| 23:04.14 | sixwheeledbeast | ~multiboot |
| 23:04.14 | infobot | somebody said multiboot was http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot |
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