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| 05:44.02 | KotCzarny | http://www.cnx-software.com/2017/03/03/gemini-pda-pocket-pc-runs-android-linux-on-mediatek-x25-deca-core-processor-crowdfunding/ |
| 05:56.10 | TheKit | would be interesting if they manage to run normal Linux on MediaTek SoCs |
| 05:56.23 | TheKit | but they don't give any details about taht |
| 05:56.26 | TheKit | *that |
| 05:59.09 | TheKit | so far there are only MediaTek-based Chromebooks, and they had a lot of changes compared to Android - DRM video driver mainlined, for example |
| 06:09.13 | KotCzarny | well, you can always use android kernel to run normal linux, could be horribly outdated though |
| 06:09.32 | KotCzarny | specs are sweet, and price isnt that bad either |
| 06:10.00 | KotCzarny | wouldnt mind thumb friendly kb though |
| 06:10.42 | KotCzarny | and since its crowdfunded there is a chance it wont be locked down |
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| 06:29.54 | jonwil | Most of the good Android devices these days tend to have locked bootloaders where you cant flash arbitrary kernels and OSs unfortunately. |
| 06:32.07 | KotCzarny | jonwil, yeah, but as i've said, since it's crowdfunded, there is a chance they would try to make it more open than money grubbing big vendors |
| 06:32.29 | KotCzarny | still, mediatek isnt opensource friendly and most they would get is some kind of bsp |
| 06:32.53 | jonwil | But this isn't a good Android device, its got a crappy Mediatek processor |
| 06:33.27 | jonwil | good would be a device with a nice Samsung Exynos or Qualcomm Snapdragon |
| 06:33.33 | KotCzarny | ehehehe |
| 06:33.37 | KotCzarny | right, qualcomm ;) |
| 06:33.47 | KotCzarny | with 25MB closed blob BOOTLOADER |
| 06:34.01 | jonwil | I meant good as in "high-end" |
| 06:34.06 | jonwil | yes they aren't open |
| 06:34.16 | KotCzarny | they are close and suspicious as hell |
| 06:34.23 | KotCzarny | *closed |
| 06:34.53 | jonwil | Its interesting that Qualcomm are very open when it comes to their Atheros WiFi chips yet so closed when it comes to the Snapdragon SOCs |
| 06:35.28 | KotCzarny | atheros doesnt come from qualcomm, atheros was VERY open, was it acquired by qc? |
| 06:37.04 | jonwil | I do wonder why Qualcomm is so scared about being open, what are they worried about... |
| 06:38.03 | jonwil | IP issues (e.g. parents)? Regulatory issues to do with the cellular side of things? Worried about Samsung, Apple and others stealing the things that make their chips good? |
| 06:38.28 | jonwil | speaking of Samsung, I do wonder just how open and documented the Samsung Exynos chips actually are. |
| 06:40.21 | jonwil | I suspect any SoC from any vendor that has cellular functionality built into it wont be as open and documented as, say, the TI OMAP chips are |
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| 13:42.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: their snapdragon aiui run the 'linux' OS under supervisor which is the radio stack basically. They don't want to open the radiostack |
| 13:44.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and re Exynos: I never checked thoroughly but my impression been Samsung doesm't intend to sell them to OEM, they just use them for samsung devices |
| 13:45.40 | TheKit | <jonwil> Most of the good Android devices these days tend to have locked bootloaders where you cant flash arbitrary kernels and OSs unfortunately. |
| 13:46.04 | TheKit | define "good", most of good Android devices will allow you to unlock bootloader if you want |
| 13:46.19 | TheKit | for example OnePlus, Xiaomi, etc |
| 13:47.18 | TheKit | that's how SFOS is ported to a lot of devices at least |
| 13:49.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | GPL vs Tivoization: 0:1 |
| 13:52.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly recalls Nokia meeting anout M9 and Nokia's answer to his question "but what about the bootloader, will it be open?": "we don't care about the bootloader, it's not considered part of the system" (OWTTE). A year later we had endless fun with openmode kernl fuckup and Aegis |
| 13:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~aegisa |
| 13:52.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~aegis |
| 13:52.44 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 13:53.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | or "how to suggest to the suggesible linux user that they were owners of their devices while in fact the manufacturer has full control" |
| 13:56.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | or yet another nice way to put it: "yes, you can install arbitrary apps from arbitrary sources. But... it's us and our aegis policies that define if and how much they actually will work" |
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