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| 02:12.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: what do you think about running a supl.maemo.org service? |
| 02:20.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | with a tad of fail2ban magic and the right authentication means I don't think there could be many performance problems. The database stuff needed (if any) seems pretty trivial, so is the max connection count and bandwidth need per client |
| 02:22.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc we still have a idling dns VM, right? |
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| 04:19.02 | n810moron | I was wondering if anyone has information related to installing Arch Linux on N810s? |
| 04:19.12 | n810moron | I saw the Debian/Gentoo tutorials |
| 04:23.41 | Juesto | n810moron: likely similar to gentoo tutorial |
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| 04:34.51 | n810moron | Juseto: it seems like the gentoo tutorial uses a lot of very gentoo-specific scripts. There was a tutorial on archmobile.org but that seems dead now. |
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| 05:13.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, n810moron needs to learn lingering on in IRC |
| 05:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://web.archive.org/web/*/archmobile.org |
| 05:24.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | also "seems dead now"? |
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| 06:07.23 | NeKit | Arch Linux ARM is alive though |
| 06:07.57 | KotCzarny | nowadays it doesnt really matter, all you need is working bootloader which initializes hw and kernel |
| 06:08.08 | KotCzarny | userland can be transpplanted |
| 06:09.04 | KotCzarny | xes: i need some UI design, i'm code guy, not UI and it shows. if you can outline how it should look/work i would gladly implement it |
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| 06:41.26 | Vajb | KotCzarny: u didn't ask me, but OMP would be nice baseline. |
| 06:41.46 | KotCzarny | i'm asking anyone interested |
| 06:42.05 | KotCzarny | so you want as simple as it gets? |
| 06:42.11 | KotCzarny | did you try winamp skin mode? |
| 06:42.34 | Vajb | well, what i said and maybe get it integrated well |
| 06:42.43 | Vajb | i didn't :/ |
| 06:43.22 | KotCzarny | though i should probably add auto core spawn to gui to make things working for new users |
| 06:43.49 | Vajb | can't recall the version i tried, but felt like "ok, but too much everything at once" Maybe menu's and submenu's |
| 06:45.02 | KotCzarny | you can switch to wa mode in options (style menu) |
| 06:45.47 | Vajb | hmm maybe u can connect efforts with OMP guys? User selectable which one is default player. |
| 06:46.10 | Vajb | their skin and ur engine so to speak |
| 06:46.50 | KotCzarny | omp has skins? or are you talking about default ui? |
| 06:47.54 | Vajb | default ui |
| 06:48.15 | Vajb | i meant that if one wants to he could replace omp with oscp |
| 06:53.13 | KotCzarny | anyway, try winamp skin mode if you have a minute or two |
| 06:53.52 | Vajb | ok will do, but don't hold ur breath for it ;) |
| 06:54.07 | Vajb | btw do we replacement for defauly gallery? |
| 06:54.15 | Vajb | do we have* |
| 06:54.20 | KotCzarny | haven't seen |
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| 07:06.39 | Sicelo | i think there is .. never tried it though |
| 07:09.05 | Vajb | btw thought of what xes said and thought that maybe it could be tested via mplayer launching shell script too? |
| 07:09.59 | KotCzarny | tested what? |
| 07:18.11 | Vajb | about that tmo post. Where he said that sometimes when he clicks hi saved shortcut for a radiostream it starts to play something else. |
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| 08:06.15 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: i have no experience with supl. Or would you mean some kind of supl proxy like this: https://www.tajuma.com/supl/supl-proxy-ex.html ? Then, we should evaluate also user's concerns about collected information about imsi,mnc,mcc.. (you know... my supl server setting is disabled) |
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| 08:12.54 | xes | KotCzarny: thanks. I will try to use it with the will to find something to change :) |
| 08:13.49 | KotCzarny | xes, simple outline could be a good start, or quick thoughts |
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| 08:16.30 | xes | yep, it's easy. It's enough to use it after a night of 3 hours to understand what you can't find or use at first try :) |
| 08:17.48 | KotCzarny | its easier on pc because mouse hover actually gives a hint ;) |
| 08:18.17 | KotCzarny | reading first time help also helps instead of instantly clicking 'close' |
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| 08:24.37 | xes | you are right. But while you forget help informations after some month, if the app is user friendly/instinctive you can use it easily also when you mind is still dreaming or doing something else. Then, this will produce a better integration with the 'human side' and also with the rest of the OS (as secondary effect while trying to reach a good usability) |
| 08:25.42 | KotCzarny | uhum, though part of the problem is my usability profile is different from 'default user profile' |
| 08:26.18 | KotCzarny | i like 'less clicking/scrolling to do things' |
| 08:26.24 | xes | ...but don't feel this as complaint. Every mind has his shape and paths |
| 08:26.32 | KotCzarny | which results in plenty of controls, which isnt user friendly |
| 08:26.54 | KotCzarny | still, i would like it to be usable for others too, that's why i ask for hints |
| 08:28.04 | KotCzarny | also, it's meant to be usable with cursor keys (even in gtk ui mode) |
| 08:28.37 | KotCzarny | left is 'go back/go to parent dir' right is 'play this file/enter dir or archive' |
| 08:29.50 | xes | plenty of controls is good if inside an easy to guess tree |
| 08:31.56 | xes | anyway, thanks for your efforts and availabilty, i will come back with some idea :) |
| 08:32.03 | KotCzarny | great! |
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| 08:58.38 | KotCzarny | connect fan or led |
| 08:58.48 | KotCzarny | and test different values |
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| 08:58.56 | KotCzarny | eh, echan. |
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| 13:41.30 | sixwheeledbeast | xes: I have had a look in my alarmed for the script I run to start the radio, it's the same as your post but I am discarding the stdout have you tried that to see if that helps? |
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| 14:16.37 | xes | sixwheeledbeast: the problem is not related only to that script. If you read my post, you can see that the same happens while vieweing a video in the camera-ui2 "preview" |
| 14:21.09 | xes | sixwheeledbeast: then, maybe i'm wrong but i think that in the past that video preview was different, maybe embedded inside camera-ui.. But as said maybe i'm wrong |
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| 16:59.59 | sixwheeledbeast | I don't have camera-ui2 on my daily device but I will try my old radio script for a bit and see what happens. |
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| 17:29.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's the issue? |
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| 18:00.02 | sixwheeledbeast | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1522786&postcount=1717 |
| 18:15.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, sounds a tad like race with dbus_listen() during app startup. Possibly also related: gstreamer and mafw |
| 18:19.50 | bencoh | the question would be ... does it happen with stock MediaPlayer, then. |
| 18:33.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, first of all. Not only stock mediaplayer but also (just) stock alsaped and policyfile, or just stock dbus (proxy) settings, or just stock pulseaudio... |
| 18:34.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is a damn complex problem |
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| 18:36.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui there might be differences in stock mediaplayer vs the mediaplayer exhibiting this problem, regarding if and how mafw is used |
| 18:37.51 | KotCzarny | huh, that's why i hate dbus and overcomplicated things |
| 18:38.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | but aiui omp is replacing stock mediaplayer and listens to the very same dbus messages |
| 18:38.34 | bencoh | and it uses mafw as well |
| 18:40.02 | KotCzarny | but any app acting as a default player would have to implement such interface |
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| 18:52.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, so it's either what I originally suspected: race condition when dbus proxy stores the signal and replays it to mediaplayer after process startup, which might happen at a point in time where that process isn't ready to deal with the dbus message yet |
| 18:53.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | or it's totally unrelated to dbus and mediaplayer and rather caused by one of the other domains I listed above |
| 18:55.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest to start the mediaplayer with a debug wrapper (or even start the debugger internally inside the mediaplayer) to see exactly what it does, when and why |
| 18:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | also don't miss to look into the mediaplayer desktop widget |
| 18:58.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | which might change behavior of mediaplayer by patches applied to hildon desktop or whatever hildon-blabla |
| 18:58.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | (obviously only when that widget is installed) |
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| 19:00.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | a lot of preconditions to check and rule out |
| 19:01.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | the intriguing question is: where is that info (last song played yesterday) stored persistently? |
| 19:02.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and why doesn' |
| 19:02.42 | bencoh | "current song" maybe |
| 19:03.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and why doesn't the new instruction (dbus cmd 'play http://foo.bar) override that old info |
| 19:04.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's either stored in some persisten file with 'settings' like playlists etc, or in some running process work memory aka variables/datastructures |
| 19:05.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suspect it's the latter, namely OMP |
| 19:05.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | or the desktop widget |
| 19:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | but mafw itself is also a possible culprit, since you could control mafw from multiple frontends, means one frontend instructing a new song playing makes all frontends know about and display that fact |
| 19:07.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/from multiple frontends/from multiple frontends concurrently/ |
| 19:08.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's what I think it works like, you would have to ask mohammadAG about details, I never looked into it |
| 19:09.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway mafw is maybe a smart idea, but alas a flawed implementation: it lacks for example gapless playback capabilities |
| 19:12.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why back when the discussion resulted in the conclusion that really high quality media players will want to ignore mafw and coexist with stock mediaplayer instead trying to replace it |
| 19:12.51 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 19:13.14 | KotCzarny | yeah, gapless (along with x-fade) is on my todo too |
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| 19:42.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | re mafw, I don't know how exactly the API is defined, but it's quite possible it's a mere handling error, e.g. like not stopping but only pausing "the last song of yesterday", and then mafw interpreting a new PLAY command as UNPAUSE and ignoring any parameter that asks for a new media file to playback |
| 19:45.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | in such situation the "persistent storage" would be in mafw itself, but the true culprit would be the controlling process that handles mafw incorrectly |
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| 20:08.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: I think the "does it happen with stock media player too" is pretty much to the point. What gives me headache is the "it works ... 80%", which sounds prety much like a race condition. The nasty part about race conditions is to reproduce and/or evaluate them since literally everything you change on the test platform can have an impact to the result |
| 20:09.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are even running OMP under strace will change timing enough so the race doesn't hit anymore |
| 20:09.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: ^^^ |
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| 20:54.56 | KotCzarny | that link should go into paragrap |
| 20:54.57 | KotCzarny | h |
| 20:57.02 | KotCzarny | did it for you |
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| 21:06.12 | KotCzarny | magic! |
| 21:07.54 | KotCzarny | uh, ECHAN again. sorry. |
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| 21:52.18 | Oksanaa | Maemo Auto-Complete bug: Auto-Complete dictionary for Russian language is contaminated strongly with English words. My impression is that if virtual keyboard is set to Russian, and human is meanwhile typing in English on hardware keyboard, the Auto-Complete catches the words as if they were in Russian. |
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| 22:29.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course |
| 22:33.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc there's an app to edit the user dictionary |
| 22:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh wait, completion is 'wider' than spellcheck, it also uses history on top of the dictionary. I guess simply deleting history will do the trick |
| 22:59.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | disclaimer: afaik |
| 22:59.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | not using spellcheck nor autocompletion. Disabled both during 48h after unboxing my first N900 |
| 22:59.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | (also N810) |
| 23:02.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I found it pretty pointless and annoying particularly because it remembers also typos and 'atypical words' in history, and it sucks big time to only use the built-in dictionary and update it manually by allowing only those new words in that are really relevant |
| 23:03.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | in tests my words per minute *dropped* *significantly* when using autocompletion |
| 23:07.55 | Oksanaa | No idea about spellcheck aka built-in dictionary. My auto-complete uses only history, which I occasionally clean from misprints. How do wpm drop, if typer can always ignore auto-complete? It's not an aggressive auto-correct. |
| 23:10.22 | Oksanaa | I would appreciate if auto-complete would recognise words which deviate from sentence case, like PuTTY, or names like DocScrutinizer05, and keep them this way, exempt from sentence case. |
| 23:12.54 | Oksanaa | One useful and under advertised feature of auto-complete is ability to finish phrases, and not just words. Good morning, for example. However, such phrases have to be manually added to dictionary. And it's unfortunately refusing to remember case in, say, Dunkin' Donuts. |
| 23:23.14 | Oksanaa | And that's taking all the usefulness out of adding such specially cased phrases to the dictionary. Either user auto-completes to Krispy kreme, or user types Krispy Kreme most of the way just to be able to specify this upper case K. |
| 23:26.39 | Oksanaa | Normally cased phrases work magnificently, though. I haven't used Auto-complete Editor for a long time, but it is still a useful ace in the sleeve sometimes. |