| 00:00.16 | n810moron | it says it supports the N810 but at this point ebay seems to be more fiction than fact |
| 00:00.21 | n810moron | also I really appreciate the help Doc |
| 00:02.04 | vectis3 | n810moron: that looks fine. |
| 00:02.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/566370_-ladegeraet-ac-4e-nokia.html |
| 00:02.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, yours also looks like matching |
| 00:03.24 | n810moron | Alrighty! |
| 00:03.29 | n810moron | Thank you so much :)! |
| 00:03.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw :-) |
| 00:04.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.amazon.com/NOKIA-AC-4U-WALL-CHARGER-2135/dp/B003UHQFY0 for our third-world-citizens ;-) |
| 00:07.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly you might want to use a dedicated charger rather than a USB adapter, since ... well, USB is rated at max 500mA unless you use a dedicated USB outlet charger anyway |
| 00:08.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | USB charging never really been a comprehensive concept |
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| 00:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | alwys had wide 'niche' usecases where at best it simply fails charging, wors case causes hardware defects |
| 00:09.53 | n810moron | ;-; |
| 00:10.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are notebooks known where attaching such a USB charger adapter would fry the USB port |
| 00:10.17 | n810moron | hm |
| 00:10.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's arguable who's at failt then, since USB are specified as shortcircuit-proof |
| 00:11.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | also this is historical anecdote which has little relevance nowadays |
| 00:12.07 | n810moron | welp |
| 00:12.26 | n810moron | i found a usb charger that can put out 750mA |
| 00:12.33 | n810moron | close enough :? |
| 00:12.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | sound just ok for this purpose |
| 00:12.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, absolutely |
| 00:12.56 | n810moron | awesome C: |
| 00:14.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | AC-4E is rated 890mA and Nokia is known to overprovision quite a lot on their chargers |
| 00:15.09 | n810moron | interesting |
| 00:15.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | so 750mA will just do |
| 00:15.23 | n810moron | lovely :) |
| 00:15.45 | n810moron | im quite excited to play with the n810 when it comes, so you'll definitely be seeing quite a bit of me come this friday :) |
| 00:16.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're welcome :-) |
| 00:16.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and i'm sure you'll like the N81Ã at very least the mech make |
| 00:16.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's awesome device |
| 00:16.41 | n810moron | :D |
| 00:17.02 | n810moron | also just found a 850mA/5.1V charger, which I think is just about right? |
| 00:17.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 00:17.35 | n810moron | :D awesome |
| 00:18.42 | n810moron | have a wonderful day, bye! |
| 00:19.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 2.0mm barrel plug has one "advantage" over micro-USB plugs for charging: before you damage the device by bending the plug (like happens when N900 drops when plugged to charger) you rather simply breal the damn flimsy plug |
| 00:20.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | happened to me already |
| 00:23.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | those shitty plugs feel like to lever a 100g chocolate with a spaghetto (pasta, dried) |
| 00:23.21 | Juesto | Perhaps i can flash maemo on nexus 5x? |
| 00:23.31 | Juesto | or dual boot |
| 00:24.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | no you can't |
| 00:24.09 | Juesto | what alternatives do i have to the device itself but using a armel android instead |
| 00:24.18 | Juesto | for using maemo |
| 00:24.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo has not yet been ported to any other devices than 770, N8x0, N900, N9, and beaglboard |
| 00:26.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon is working on making it operable on some cheablet |
| 00:26.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | he and Wizzup and a few others aiui |
| 00:27.05 | parazyd | yep. the tablet we got is a pretty good platform to test |
| 00:27.20 | parazyd | the screen resolution is also somewhere in there like n900 |
| 00:27.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | on N900 there were like 5 or 6 different OS operable |
| 00:27.28 | Juesto | beaglboard ? |
| 00:27.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | beagleboard_xM |
| 00:28.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf |
| 00:28.02 | infobot | somebody said fptf was the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 00:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_Getting_Started#Beagle |
| 00:28.39 | Wizzup | parazyd: I am planning to continue work on wednesday |
| 00:28.46 | Wizzup | I probably won't get time before wed |
| 00:29.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | done by Carsten Munk aka Stskeeps |
| 00:29.11 | parazyd | i hadn't had time myself either |
| 00:29.26 | parazyd | will try to continue tomorrow at bridge. got a fast machine there :) |
| 00:29.40 | Wizzup | ok, cool :) |
| 00:30.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, not even xM I guess, just plain BeagleBoard |
| 00:30.24 | parazyd | iirc the beagleboard has the same gpu as n900, right? |
| 00:31.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 00:32.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has the same SoC |
| 00:32.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | almist the same |
| 00:32.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc N900 is HS, while BB is GP |
| 00:33.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka OMAP3430 vs OMAP3530 |
| 00:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 indeed is a HS device, but not enabled |
| 00:35.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900 is OMAP3730 and still very similar GPU |
| 00:35.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | PVR540 vs N900 PVR530 iirc |
| 00:36.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I personally thing it should be backward compatible kust like the complete OMAP3630 is backward compatible to OMAP3430 |
| 00:36.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | think* |
| 00:37.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW it might be faster and have more features but is feature complete to its ancestor |
| 00:42.33 | Juesto | what i should buy then? |
| 00:42.36 | Juesto | n900 or n9? |
| 00:42.52 | Juesto | is there a device where maemo works reliably fast? |
| 00:43.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 |
| 00:44.22 | Juesto | n9 is on meego |
| 00:44.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | N9 is for HARM only, and when Maemo fremantle is zombie then HARM to me smells like rotten hell |
| 00:44.41 | Juesto | i could buy a n9 |
| 00:44.46 | Juesto | found in mercadolibre |
| 00:45.03 | Juesto | but not a full n900 |
| 00:45.12 | Juesto | different parts instead |
| 00:45.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh it's a nice device, but I doubt any CSSU alike activity will arise for N8/HARM ever |
| 00:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | N9* |
| 00:45.47 | Juesto | and neo900 ? |
| 00:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900 is in development |
| 00:46.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and guaranteed to be compatible to maemo fremantle |
| 00:46.21 | Juesto | does it exist already? |
| 00:46.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | just with twice as fast CPU and 4 times the RAM |
| 00:46.32 | Juesto | aka full built yet and usable |
| 00:46.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900 is in development |
| 00:46.49 | Juesto | by development you mean..? |
| 00:46.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're layouting proto_v2 |
| 00:47.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't want a Neo900 anyway when you already wonder if you want a N900 |
| 00:47.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's way too expensive for your needs |
| 00:48.39 | Juesto | :/ |
| 00:48.53 | Juesto | i'll be using it for trying out |
| 00:48.59 | Juesto | something to explore |
| 00:49.04 | Juesto | since i already have android |
| 00:49.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | you have no idea about what it's like to use maemo on a phone until you own and use a N900 |
| 00:49.55 | Juesto | a n900 is literally unobtainable here in argentina also |
| 00:50.09 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: or any other maemo device ;) |
| 00:50.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I hardly know anybody who wants to go back to android after using maemo |
| 00:50.50 | Juesto | so the n900 is the "top device" nokia made ? |
| 00:50.54 | Juesto | of the maemo series |
| 00:50.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Juesto: yes, Argentina is an awful place to be, for maemonians |
| 00:51.05 | Juesto | :| |
| 00:51.17 | buZz | Juesto: yeah its the top model, the others arent phones, just pda/'internet tablets' |
| 00:51.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, basically. Though Nokia would say the N9 was |
| 00:51.27 | buZz | N9-00 |
| 00:51.28 | Juesto | differences? |
| 00:51.36 | buZz | which isnt the same as N9 , afaik |
| 00:51.48 | Juesto | Differences? |
| 00:51.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | N9 is HARM and locked down into oblivion |
| 00:51.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~aegis |
| 00:51.57 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 00:52.19 | Juesto | TPM framework? |
| 00:52.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 00:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | sevureboot shit |
| 00:52.39 | Juesto | interesting |
| 00:52.43 | Juesto | secureboot* |
| 00:52.47 | Juesto | aka EFI |
| 00:52.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | trustzone/M-Shield |
| 00:52.59 | Juesto | aaaaahhh |
| 00:53.04 | Juesto | Oh well |
| 00:53.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka tivoization |
| 00:53.29 | Juesto | anyways, is there a way to fix the most prone to break parts of the n900? such as the usb pot |
| 00:53.31 | Juesto | port |
| 00:53.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | N9 is broken by design |
| 00:53.49 | Juesto | ... |
| 00:53.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | as far as HARM OS is concerned |
| 00:53.57 | buZz | there is always a way to fix anything |
| 00:54.08 | buZz | it just might take infinite effort/energy |
| 00:54.21 | Juesto | hm |
| 00:54.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: in this case literally |
| 00:54.24 | Juesto | anyways |
| 00:54.36 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: i have good hopes :P |
| 00:54.40 | Juesto | i am talking about the n900 hardware that is prone to be broken |
| 00:54.50 | Juesto | asking* |
| 00:55.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: since you have to fix not only bootloader but whole HARM which is security infested from top to toes |
| 00:55.28 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: i already switched topic to n900 :P |
| 00:55.38 | buZz | +back |
| 00:55.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | err sorry, flu |
| 00:55.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | bear with me |
| 00:55.52 | buZz | *hug* |
| 00:56.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | parts prone to brwak in N900? let's see... USB jack, flat cable, NASTY "No SIM" aka BGA solder points popping open |
| 00:57.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | first two easily fixable, latter one almost impossible |
| 00:57.51 | Juesto | o_O |
| 00:58.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | then lately it seems the PVR segfault issues increase, maybe it wears out over time too |
| 00:58.56 | buZz | i have heard someone blew their GSM radio in n900 |
| 00:59.01 | buZz | it still worked afterwards |
| 00:59.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? mind to elaborate? |
| 00:59.30 | buZz | yeah not sure |
| 00:59.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~springfix |
| 00:59.53 | infobot | i guess springfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1243160#post1243160 and http://www.jabawok.net/?p=14 |
| 01:00.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | related? ^^^ |
| 01:02.57 | buZz | not sure, may be |
| 01:05.30 | buZz | well |
| 01:05.46 | buZz | it did seem interrupted connection caused his radio to not work |
| 01:05.52 | buZz | or at least, error out |
| 01:08.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's hard to make smart meaningful comments on "someone blew their GSM radio in n900" |
| 01:08.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 01:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically the BB5 modem also is an OMAP system so technically unbrickable. Only failure mode is hw defect |
| 01:09.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | everything else is just a sw bug or hickup |
| 01:12.06 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: there doesnt always have to be the perfect answer ;) i dont have more details than that it wasnt transmitting and still functioning |
| 01:13.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | the only 3 known hw failure modes in N900 BB5 are: *- frying by battery reversal *- antenna (or SIM) contact dirty (clean it) *- NASTY: chip BGA solder pints pop open from beding PCB by hard pressure to keyboard |
| 01:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, how can it function when it's not transmitting? isn't TX a mandatory core function of a CMT? |
| 01:15.07 | buZz | poor nokia n900 looks like its shot :D http://www.ebay.com/itm/232223529230 |
| 01:15.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | OUCH |
| 01:15.35 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: the n900 itself was functioning, the radio was not transmitting |
| 01:16.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah the N900 of course still functions as PDA/computer when the modem peripheral is defect |
| 01:16.37 | buZz | like a fast n810 |
| 01:16.40 | buZz | ;) |
| 01:16.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 01:17.02 | buZz | or a very fast 770 -with- keyboard |
| 01:17.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | never even touched a 770 |
| 01:17.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 01:18.14 | buZz | its kinda retrochique now |
| 01:18.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I _touched_ raterman's N800 and that made me WANTWANTWANTWANTWANTWANT N8x0, I found the N810 nicer though |
| 01:18.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | rasterman* |
| 01:18.36 | buZz | n800 was my first and made my like maemo |
| 01:18.40 | buZz | me* |
| 01:19.15 | buZz | in the end i spent about 80 euros to get 770, n800, n810 and 2x n900 |
| 01:19.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh!!! |
| 01:19.38 | buZz | +some money for nokia cases :P |
| 01:19.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I spent 80EUR on phnecalls where to get a N810 |
| 01:20.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 01:20.06 | buZz | :) |
| 01:20.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | recently I got me another 5 N810 |
| 01:20.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | for quite 'cheap' |
| 01:20.47 | buZz | nice |
| 01:21.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | my first one was like iirc 350 bucks, or more? |
| 01:21.40 | buZz | my n810 was 24 euro i think |
| 01:22.05 | buZz | EUR 23,49 |
| 01:22.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | then same shop got me a spare one a year later, took them 4 weeks. And a few years later the shop was gone ;-P |
| 01:22.15 | buZz | and 6 shipping :P |
| 01:22.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, you can't be a N810 poineer |
| 01:23.38 | buZz | oct 2016 |
| 01:23.49 | buZz | well. bedtime here \o |
| 01:23.51 | buZz | nn |
| 01:24.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | when using my N810 as only 'computer' 90% of day, I moaned "IF *ONLY* they had inclided a modem into that thing!!!", then a few months later I learned about Nokia's plans for N900 |
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| 01:25.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | others felt alike ;-) See http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=551420#post551420 |
| 01:27.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: n8, see ^^^ for nice dreams ;-) |
| 01:27.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | blueled is an awesome guy |
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| 07:11.01 | Vajb | tried to make garage account yesterday, but it failed. So much for the voting of packages... |
| 07:11.35 | Vajb | i got link and when i set my details it just blurbed "access denied" |
| 07:11.57 | freemangordon | bencoh: hmm, what is pull address for that repo? |
| 07:12.01 | KotCzarny | i think garage accounts have to be confirmed by admin |
| 07:12.10 | KotCzarny | ~garage |
| 07:12.13 | KotCzarny | hrm. |
| 07:14.16 | freemangordon | bencoh: git remote add bencoh http://git.notk.org/bencoh/maemo/osso-bookmark-engine.git and then git pull --rebase bencoh master results in: |
| 07:14.16 | freemangordon | fatal: repository 'http://git.notk.org/bencoh/maemo/osso-bookmark-engine.git/' not found |
| 07:14.16 | Vajb | well it said that i have link and when i click and put my username and pass it is activated |
| 07:21.30 | Juesto | KotCzarny: admin approval is for packages not account validation btw |
| 07:21.56 | Juesto | freemangordon: tried browsing it? |
| 07:22.23 | Juesto | or git:// |
| 07:25.26 | freemangordon | Juesto: git:// doesnt work |
| 07:25.51 | freemangordon | and yes, I tried browsing it, but that doesn't help muc for doing pull |
| 07:25.55 | freemangordon | *much |
| 07:27.35 | Juesto | try downloading it the entire thing then rename to .git ? |
| 07:28.03 | KotCzarny | doesnt git work with http:// too? |
| 07:28.17 | Juesto | that link seems a empty repository |
| 07:28.31 | Juesto | or not, i dont know |
| 07:28.48 | Juesto | bencoh: what's your git config for your git repo? |
| 07:29.05 | Juesto | .git/config |
| 07:29.44 | KotCzarny | either he didnt setup git/repo properly or it was late |
| 07:29.45 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:30.14 | KotCzarny | or his apache doesnt serve .git things |
| 07:30.57 | KotCzarny | no .git dir |
| 07:31.34 | Juesto | KotCzarny: the entire thing is the .git dir |
| 07:32.26 | KotCzarny | right |
| 07:32.35 | KotCzarny | so he copied wrong subdir |
| 07:34.15 | Juesto | he has cgit |
| 07:35.09 | Juesto | hmm freemangordon perhaps you're not specifying the branch you want? |
| 07:35.27 | Juesto | cgit.notk.org/bencoh |
| 07:35.39 | Juesto | seems its something where different people publish things |
| 07:36.00 | bencoh | freemangordon: I probably forgot to configure it for http index update |
| 07:36.20 | Juesto | hm |
| 07:36.35 | Juesto | the others people stuff have the same problem, i think, not sure |
| 07:36.56 | Juesto | or we dont know how that site works |
| 07:38.21 | bencoh | it's my server. |
| 07:38.30 | bencoh | 09:29 < KotCzarny> either he didnt setup git/repo properly or it was late |
| 07:38.34 | bencoh | and KotCzarny is right |
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| 07:45.36 | bencoh | freemangordon: should work now, sorry about that |
| 07:46.13 | bencoh | git update-server-info in bare repo, for the record. |
| 07:47.26 | bencoh | and config it with receive.updateserverinfo = 1 for automatic update on push |
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| 08:35.50 | KotCzarny | montjoie: why so? |
| 08:35.55 | KotCzarny | ECHAN. eh |
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| 14:37.25 | freemangordon | bencoh: yep, it is ok now |
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| 14:48.17 | sunshavi | +euid |
| 15:19.42 | bencoh | freemangordon: :) |
| 15:44.28 | Wizzup | Does anyone know if fennec is android only now? I know they dropped maemo a long time ago, but was hoping for non-maemo non-android builds.. |
| 15:44.37 | Wizzup | (to build it for devuan at some point, perhaps) |
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| 17:11.25 | Juesto | yes Wizzup |
| 17:11.31 | Juesto | its also iOS iirc |
| 17:11.42 | Juesto | perhaps Firefox OS too |
| 17:11.46 | Juesto | idk about ubuntu touch |
| 17:12.13 | Juesto | you can try building fennec tho |
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| 17:14.41 | NeKit | Juesto, Firefox OS is no more, and they dropped B2G code |
| 17:27.41 | Juesto | o_O |
| 17:27.51 | Juesto | yeah well, im outdated since im zlined in moznet |
| 17:44.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: fennec was worse than standard FF even at the time they made it genuinely for maemo |
| 17:48.38 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: not touch wise |
| 17:49.08 | bencoh | even touch wise it wasn't that good, but yeah |
| 17:49.22 | Wizzup | at least it had recent code at the time :) |
| 17:49.42 | bencoh | more recent than microb you mean |
| 17:50.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think fennec was slower and iirc used _more_ RAM than FF |
| 17:50.56 | Wizzup | bencoh: less exploitable |
| 17:51.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't know what's "touch wise" |
| 17:51.09 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: I don't care about speed, at this point, microb cannot render any site that is useful for me |
| 17:51.17 | Wizzup | (which is mostly mobile sites of public transport) |
| 17:52.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah so you're after GUI / UX adaptions in fennec? |
| 17:53.19 | Wizzup | yep |
| 17:53.25 | Wizzup | might still be able to take old fennec and recent xul |
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| 18:03.41 | bencoh | Wizzup: tbh I' starting to think the best we could do regarding specific "mobile" websites is what cutetube does with *tube sites |
| 18:04.11 | bencoh | parse html and render it in a non-expensive, native manner |
| 18:04.46 | bencoh | since websites do break after a while if you stop upgrading browser anyway |
| 18:05.12 | bencoh | so we'd at least have a decent user experience |
| 18:05.31 | bencoh | Wizzup: btw some mobile website do work when chaning useragent |
| 18:05.35 | bencoh | +s |
| 18:09.54 | KotCzarny | bencoh: it's all and dandy if there was free, stable api |
| 18:10.03 | KotCzarny | but due to abusers there isnt |
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| 18:21.07 | Sicelo | examples of non-working mobile sites? |
| 18:24.03 | Sicelo | i've used opera mobile, fennec, qml-browser .. and each time i come back to MicroB for sites that *I* use ... for me it works way better than the alternatives .. some sites need a lot of patience though |
| 18:33.56 | bencoh | uber doesn't work with microb. but does work with one of the others iirc |
| 18:34.36 | Wizzup | well, I don't care about uber :) |
| 18:36.21 | Sicelo | i don't have an uber account, but the home page is loading just fine (just taking forever) ... looks like it's not even mobile page |
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| 20:38.22 | xes | it's just me ..or nobody else noticed about this? http://talk.maemo.com/showpost.php?p=1522786&postcount=1717 |
| 20:41.55 | KotCzarny | xes: i use oscp for media ;) |
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| 20:49.58 | xes | KotCzarny: is it your default player? |
| 20:51.32 | KotCzarny | havent gotten around to integrate it nicely, but it supports external commands from os |
| 21:05.56 | xes | KotCzarny: well, let me say that a better integration and some new style for the ui would make it more usable and attractive |
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| 22:34.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi xes! :-) |
| 22:43.34 | xes | hi DocScrutinizer05! |
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