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| 01:30.19 | jonwil | its cool that the GPS problems plaguing everyone for so long got sorted fairly easily once it was obvious what was going on. |
| 01:35.06 | jonwil | Oh and in regards to the comment earlier about the maintainer of the cert cache deciding whats trusted, I would say that I qualify as the maintainer since I am the only one who has done any work on that repo in 3+ years :) |
| 01:35.57 | jonwil | and as maintainer I say that the cert store should reflect whatever Mozilla is shipping :) |
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| 01:48.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | It's *me* who's the maintainer of my cert cache ;-) I _might_ delegate this task to somebody with a sound idea like e.g. simply trusting a particular expired or flawed cert that otherwise would cause problems with SUPL, particularly when the rest of the cert cache gets updated to some set that's not tailored to fit the particular device and its needs |
| 01:50.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think Mozilla ever bothered about supl.nokia.com or particularly maemo |
| 01:52.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | my note was meant to say that the maintainer aka owner of the device and its cert cache is free to trust whatever certs he likes, so why not consider simply trusting the cert needed for supl.nokia.com instead of worrying about which parent cert it is signed by? |
| 02:02.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2017/02/06/plasma-desktopT17764.png http://wstaw.org/m/2017/02/06/plasma-desktopa17764.png http://wstaw.org/m/2017/02/06/plasma-desktopi17764.png http://wstaw.org/m/2017/02/06/plasma-desktopU17764.png |
| 02:03.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also had a flawed cert (homegrown) which been flawed in many respects, I imported it into chrome's cert cache and manually trusted it - no problems since |
| 02:04.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't see why it wouldn't work in a similar way for the cert used in supl |
| 02:15.25 | jonwil | Anyhow the supl cert issue is fixed for everyone once they get the new maemosec-certman-common-ca :) |
| 02:15.49 | jonwil | and maps/GPS gets a lock really fast now |
| 02:18.19 | jonwil | which will be great for when I need maps when out and about |
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| 04:37.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2017/q1/175 |
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| 04:38.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.03 | Juesto | Isnt that full rwx? |
| 04:43.07 | Juesto | :O |
| 05:03.34 | Maxdamantus | I think that means sgid and suid. |
| 05:03.52 | Maxdamantus | and maybe something else. |
| 05:05.59 | Maxdamantus | Oh, it'll be sticky as well, right? |
| 05:06.11 | Maxdamantus | dunno what that would mean on a file. |
| 05:10.22 | Maxdamantus | Juesto: and yes, the lower three octets indicate ugo+rwx |
| 05:11.03 | Maxdamantus | the weird thing is that it has the higher three bits set too, which mean sgid, suid and sticky, in some order (dunno what) |
| 05:12.20 | Maxdamantus | so anyone can write a malicious binary to it (because it's o+w), and then execute it with euid 0 (because it's owned by root and +s o+x) |
| 05:13.20 | Juesto | Hmmmm |
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| 05:38.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | "new services as a service" ROTFL |
| 05:38.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | spot on |
| 05:47.16 | KotCzarny | maxd: or broken archiver/fs |
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| 05:57.02 | Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: well, the broken archiver scenario would only really be interesting if the archiver is running with root permissions for some reason. |
| 05:57.20 | Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: in which case it .. is already root. |
| 05:57.35 | KotCzarny | maxd: or packaging on some broken os (ie. windoze) |
| 05:58.05 | Maxdamantus | Windows doesn't have suid afaik |
| 05:58.20 | KotCzarny | but can have tar and friends |
| 05:59.01 | KotCzarny | and i have seen plethora of different file modes when unpacking archives made on windoze |
| 05:59.29 | KotCzarny | made on windoze, unpacked on linux |
| 06:00.26 | Maxdamantus | Again, unless the unarchiver is running as root, it can't make a file with those permissions. |
| 06:00.36 | Maxdamantus | (well, it can, but it wouldn't be root-owned) |
| 06:00.54 | Maxdamantus | (so it would just be suid/sgid with uid/gid being the user, not 0) |
| 06:01.00 | KotCzarny | i think unarchiver can be told to ignore file flags in such case |
| 06:01.16 | Maxdamantus | But it can't create a file owned by root, unless it's running as root. |
| 06:01.45 | Maxdamantus | That's just how unix works. |
| 06:02.15 | Maxdamantus | [max@jove (~)]$ chown root:root /tmp/1 |
| 06:02.16 | Maxdamantus | chown: changing ownership of â/tmp/1â: Operation not permitted |
| 06:02.40 | KotCzarny | yes, but im saying file flags stored in archive are broken and should be ignored anyway |
| 06:02.43 | Maxdamantus | A bug in the archive or the unarchiver can't just break the unix security mechanism. |
| 06:17.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | non-persistent settings in IRC client are reeally a PITA |
| 06:19.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Juesto: yes. And silly systemd used an unsigned int var for file permissions, and then the devel was poettering and stupid enough to defines mode_pemissionflags_invalid=-1 :-P |
| 06:37.01 | Juesto | :o |
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| 06:38.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | so guess what is the result from touch(file, PERMISSION_INVALID) |
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| 06:41.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | (disclaimer: I didn't look into the flawed code, just seen what the bug ticket explains) |
| 06:59.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | commit ee735086f8670be1591fa9593e80dd60163a7a2f |
| 06:59.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.58 | KotCzarny | doc, make a blog or something |
| 07:00.08 | KotCzarny | more useful than just random irc bitching |
| 07:00.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | mode_t is unsigned, so MODE_INVALID < 0 can never be true. |
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| 07:09.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes a blog named "for KotCzarny who doesn't want to read mail archives even when linked to it, and prefers to explain supposed brokenness of archivers instead", then fixes the fallout of that non-persistent mode settings in IRC client another time |
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| 07:49.43 | jonwil | Looks like I can add the supl server cert fix to the long list of things I have accomplished since I first discovered the Nokia N900 :) |
| 07:59.15 | Juesto | wow |
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| 09:52.27 | Sicelo | jonwil: thanks very much for the fix |
| 09:52.41 | jonwil | glad my fix is appreciated |
| 09:52.45 | jonwil | and will get some use :) |
| 09:55.37 | jonwil | Anyone got anything else useful I can reverse engineer or investigate or try and fix? |
| 09:56.39 | Sicelo | 0.2.9 is not yet available in repo, is it? |
| 09:56.55 | jonwil | no idea, repos aren't my responsibility |
| 09:57.29 | Sicelo | lol .. where can i find your updated pacakges then |
| 09:58.07 | jonwil | You need to wait for someone to upload them to the repos |
| 09:58.13 | jonwil | or build them yourself... |
| 09:59.05 | Sicelo | ok. will wait then .. 0.2.3 working good for now |
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| 10:00.18 | zGrr | moin |
| 10:02.05 | jonwil | so yeah nothing to work on :( |
| 10:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: even for building "somebody else" likely will need a URL to download |
| 10:10.01 | Wizzup_ | jonwil: you should ask fmg |
| 10:12.58 | jonwil | The source code you need to compile is in the CSSU repo :) |
| 10:13.15 | jonwil | and should be trivial to build for anyone with a working dev env :) |
| 10:15.56 | KotCzarny | i shall test my dev chroot on n900 one day |
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| 10:16.23 | KotCzarny | it allows creation of packages in as tiny as 400MB of space |
| 10:16.34 | KotCzarny | fully arm native |
| 10:16.58 | KotCzarny | and being a chroot, it doesnt break device's packages |
| 10:20.02 | jonwil | I wouldn't want to do on-device compiling for any of the big packages (I challenge anyone to build microb-engine or QT on-device for example) |
| 10:20.30 | KotCzarny | being a chroot it also allows easy deploy of arm based compile farm |
| 10:22.37 | Vajb_ | jonwil: i have an idea for u. Make irssi script that hibernates it to tray ;) |
| 10:23.03 | KotCzarny | how do you hibernat text program ? |
| 10:24.17 | Sicelo | Vajb: screen .. it's available for N900 |
| 10:24.40 | KotCzarny | sicelo, but how do you hibernate it to tray? |
| 10:25.26 | Sicelo | you don't |
| 10:25.45 | Sicelo | i think he just doesn't want to see the window all the time .. |
| 10:25.56 | Wizzup_ | KotCzarny: so it's like musl, but larger |
| 10:25.57 | Wizzup_ | ;) |
| 10:26.09 | Wizzup_ | err, like alpine* |
| 10:27.13 | Vajb | oh it excists already? |
| 10:27.53 | Vajb | but otoh im kinda used to have it always open |
| 10:29.09 | Sicelo | haha Vajb ... it's N900 .. what did you expect .. of course screen exists |
| 10:29.31 | KotCzarny | but its not comfortable to detach/reattach it every time |
| 10:29.38 | KotCzarny | he wants something single click |
| 10:29.42 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 10:30.00 | KotCzarny | vajb, create a xterm shortcut with screen -rd yourircsession as a command |
| 10:30.07 | KotCzarny | should be enough for what you need |
| 10:34.20 | Vajb | think im gonna keep my "don't fix it if it aint broken aproach this time :) |
| 10:34.40 | KotCzarny | vajb, screen + desktop shortcut should be trivial to do |
| 10:36.00 | Vajb | but i've been thinking of making irssi plugin for n900 to have notifications on yellow bubles, but i still lack the know how |
| 10:36.33 | KotCzarny | that should be doable with python/dbus maybe? |
| 10:37.15 | Vajb | $ apt-cache policy screen |
| 10:37.16 | Vajb | screen: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table: |
| 10:37.50 | Vajb | yes it is i know. I just need to learn enough python to do it |
| 10:38.14 | Vajb | guess that makes a script kiddie then :) |
| 10:38.22 | Vajb | makes me a* |
| 10:38.50 | Sicelo | you'll need perl too for the irssi part .. |
| 10:40.24 | Sicelo | i'd take an existing perl notification script, install phone-control from repo, and use `phone-control --dialog ...` |
| 10:40.39 | Sicelo | simple and you need no programming knowledge :) |
| 10:40.52 | Wizzup_ | I thought irssi optionally required perl |
| 10:41.01 | Wizzup_ | oh- nvm |
| 10:41.14 | Sicelo | you're correct |
| 10:41.43 | Vajb | ah right. I mixed perl and python. I meant perl |
| 10:42.52 | Sicelo | try my suggestions .. should work |
| 10:47.55 | Vajb | i might look into it, but i've been meaning to learn some programming anyways. Have just been lazy tho. |
| 10:51.05 | Sicelo | which language? |
| 10:51.30 | Vajb | first perl. I already found book via irssi homepage |
| 10:51.47 | Vajb | so far i read the introduction |
| 10:52.15 | Vajb | KotCzarny: how about imgur plugin? Coming together neatly? |
| 10:52.16 | Sicelo | ok :) |
| 10:53.17 | Vajb | in an ten years i'll announce my totally awesome n900 specific irssi plugin. |
| 10:54.23 | buZz | cant wait |
| 10:54.34 | buZz | is there a crowdfunding? :P |
| 10:55.30 | Vajb | haha not yet :p |
| 10:58.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:58.50 | KotCzarny | my plugin has similar pace as yours |
| 10:59.11 | KotCzarny | maybe i'll look into it today |
| 11:01.30 | bencoh | Vajb: I'd love a weechat-like remote plugin for irssi ;p |
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| 11:17.45 | Vajb | awww, my first feature request. |
| 11:23.44 | jonwil | Ok so still looking for something to do. Something that doesn't involve Python or Perl or other things I dont have any understanding of or interest in |
| 11:31.28 | Vajb | how about fixing callerx? |
| 11:38.59 | jonwil | whats callerx? |
| 11:39.28 | Vajb | program to block calls based on blacklist or whitelist |
| 11:39.51 | Vajb | it works but sometimes in whitelist mode it blocks all calls |
| 11:39.56 | Sicelo | Vajb: :p |
| 11:40.45 | Vajb | i suspect that problem is whitelist file being in mydocs and when phone is mounted to pc. It doesn't reload that file. |
| 11:41.14 | Vajb | Sicelo: well u know whos nawel comes first :p |
| 11:43.12 | Vajb | hmm what else. Calendar widget could show weeknumber too. |
| 11:43.33 | Sicelo | jonwil is talking about 'system-level' stuff though |
| 11:44.11 | Vajb | well i heard that pulse audio has some things to do... |
| 11:44.29 | Vajb | jk tho |
| 11:44.29 | Sicelo | re: calendar .. there's alternatiove FOSS widget .. you can maybe make feature request on it |
| 11:44.46 | Vajb | i'll look onto it |
| 11:45.04 | Vajb | i have that alternate widget in use atm |
| 11:47.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | wut? |
| 11:47.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | install phonecontrol? |
| 11:47.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~phonecontrol |
| 11:47.49 | infobot | somebody said phonecontrol was http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
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| 16:26.47 | freemangordon | Sicelo: 0.2.9 is in cssu-devel repo |
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| 18:06.22 | sixwheeledbeast | Do I recall someone mentioning a fix for SMS Conversations silently failing due to Emoji's? I don't care for emojis but if your silently losing SMS messages it's not good. |
| 18:09.07 | bencoh | yup, happened to me as well, and fix works |
| 18:10.00 | sixwheeledbeast | Ah, https://github.com/harmattan/emojifix |
| 18:10.44 | sixwheeledbeast | Any chance of getting patched libsms-utils in CSSU? |
| 18:14.34 | bencoh | we dont have source so emojifix is only a workaround, and iirc it implies patching a binary |
| 18:15.11 | sixwheeledbeast | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.41 | bencoh | it's quite clever though, and I guess cssu could always push libemojitils to user and run emojifix patcher in postinst |
| 18:19.10 | Vajb | happened to me too |
| 18:19.22 | Vajb | but didn't know there is a fix |
| 18:19.34 | bencoh | well, there is |
| 18:20.06 | bencoh | and you can even get (some) emojis working by installing android/iphone fonts |
| 18:20.52 | Vajb | well i installed droid fonts, but didn't know what to do with them :) |
| 18:32.22 | Vajb | does that fix work with maemo too? |
| 18:32.40 | Vajb | umm fremantle i guess |
| 18:46.37 | Vajb | hmm reverse engineering rtcom-messaging-ui would be a job fit to jonwil :) |
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| 18:57.08 | freemangordon | hehe |
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| 20:04.35 | Sicelo | freemangordon: thanks. already installed :) |
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| 20:26.04 | freemangordon | anybody wants to do debian packaging of https://github.com/community-ssu/osso-bookmark-engine/commit/1a333cd8b17c94aa48fafb249d8309f51fc11cb2 ? |
| 20:26.19 | freemangordon | I am really sick of that code :) |
| 20:26.54 | freemangordon | it is still buggy in some places, but I'll fix those later |
| 20:27.09 | freemangordon | bencoh: ^^^ |
| 20:27.23 | bencoh | mreow |
| 20:27.33 | freemangordon | wanna package that? |
| 20:27.54 | bencoh | lemme see |
| 20:28.24 | freemangordon | bencoh: there is -dev package in maemo repos you can use as a template for .pc file |
| 20:28.44 | bencoh | err, how comes osso-* stuff isn't already packaged? is that RE work? |
| 20:29.04 | freemangordon | yes, it is |
| 20:29.09 | bencoh | "RE finished" nevermind :D |
| 20:29.24 | bencoh | yeah I'll have a look at it then :) |
| 20:29.26 | freemangordon | bencoh: this is what I used to compile gcc `pkg-config --cflags --libs glib-2.0 gconf-2.0 libxml-2.0` bookmark_parser.c -shared -o osso-bookmark-engine.so -fPIC -Wall -O2 |
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| 20:40.48 | jonwil | hi |
| 20:42.44 | freemangordon | jonwil: hi! osso-bookmark-engine RE is finished, it just needs debian packaging and a couple of code fixes :) |
| 20:42.55 | jonwil | great :) |
| 20:42.59 | jonwil | that's good news |
| 20:48.25 | jonwil | Still looking for something to do (and no I dont want to touch osso-bookmark-engine at all :) |
| 20:49.33 | bencoh | is it that ugly? :D |
| 20:53.07 | freemangordon | bencoh: yes, it is, despite I did a lot of fixes |
| 20:53.41 | freemangordon | for example - it uses globals to pass data bewtween recursive function calls |
| 20:53.48 | bencoh | huhu |
| 20:54.49 | freemangordon | or just look at the so-called lock()-unlock() functions which are supposed to protect bookmarks file from concurrent accesses |
| 20:55.30 | freemangordon | there was stuff like xmlGetSomething and then g_free on the result |
| 20:55.43 | freemangordon | half of the allocated things rere not freed |
| 20:55.46 | freemangordon | *were |
| 20:56.07 | freemangordon | one and the same code is copy/pasted all over the place (still) |
| 20:56.50 | freemangordon | honestly, I can;t remember seeing such a piece of crap in whole my dev experience |
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| 21:24.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 21:25.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe once have a look into bme |
| 21:25.28 | jonwil | Still cant find anything useful/interesting to do... |
| 21:25.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ |
| 21:25.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | just for fun |
| 21:26.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly like watching a train crash |
| 21:38.40 | bencoh | oh shit, fuck libtool |
| 21:50.01 | jonwil | Not even going to touch the mess that is BME... |
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| 22:08.58 | jonwil | Gotta be something I can work on/do that doesn't involve touching nasty code (or code in languages I cant understand like Python or Perl or ARM FPU) |
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| 23:00.24 | bencoh | freemangordon: http://cgit.notk.org/bencoh/maemo/osso-bookmark-engine.git/ |
| 23:00.44 | bencoh | might not be perfect, but that's all for tonight |
| 23:09.27 | freemangordon | bencoh: thanks a lot :) |
| 23:09.52 | freemangordon | will merge it tomorrow on github |
| 23:15.36 | bencoh | yw :) |
| 23:17.57 | Juesto | cool |
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| 23:28.18 | jonwil | Good that another package has been replaced by FOSS :) |
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| 23:42.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: could you take a note about jonwil's patch? [2017-02-06 Mon 11:12:58] <jonwil> The source code you need to compile is in the CSSU repo :) |
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| 23:42.36 | n810moron | hello |
| 23:42.58 | n810moron | I was wondering if anyone here has experience installing (Arch/Debian/Ubuntu/anything) Linux on a N810? |
| 23:43.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | hellp user with intriguing nickname! ;-) |
| 23:43.18 | n810moron | :P |
| 23:43.35 | n810moron | Just grabbed an N810 because I've always wanted a pocket linux pc |
| 23:43.42 | n810moron | realized i have no experience putting linux on n810s |
| 23:44.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | N810 has nasty issues with charging, as long as you don't have maemo4 bme running on it |
| 23:44.32 | n810moron | oh? |
| 23:44.45 | n810moron | will I be able to charge an N810 over USB? |
| 23:44.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | charging on N910 is soft100% software controlled afaik |
| 23:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | N810* |
| 23:45.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, the N810 doesn't charge over USB |
| 23:45.24 | n810moron | crap |
| 23:45.29 | n810moron | i bought it without a USB |
| 23:45.31 | n810moron | i mean charger |
| 23:45.32 | n810moron | ;~; |
| 23:45.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need a 6V power supply with correct barrel jack, no big thing |
| 23:46.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | 5V, sorry |
| 23:47.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply an adapter USB->barreljack |
| 23:47.21 | n810moron | hm |
| 23:47.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | AC-4E charger (genuine N810) is rated 5.0V/890mA |
| 23:48.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2mm barrel jack |
| 23:48.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latter is a tad nasty to find and handle, very flimsy |
| 23:49.33 | n810moron | hm |
| 23:49.42 | n810moron | im looking around and it seems like the Nokia N810 takes USB chargers? |
| 23:49.46 | n810moron | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Home-Wall-Travel-charger-MICRO-USB-for-Nokia-n810-Internet-tablet-/120937987151?hash=item1c28773c4f:m:miK5kXcRoA7uDoShvb4_AAw |
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| 23:50.40 | vectis3 | N810 does not charge via usb. |
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| 23:52.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | we had that already, yes |
| 23:53.29 | vectis3 | sorry Doc, just confirming it. I own four of them. |
| 23:53.43 | n810moron | :( why is life difficult |
| 23:54.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | also see flashing instructions which do require to first attach USB and start flasher, only THEN attach the 2.1mm OD power plug which will boot up the system from power-down |
| 23:55.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | the boot-up is donw since charging is software controlled, and it doesn't charge from USB so no bootup there |
| 23:57.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | the small yellow one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Klinken-_und_Hohlstecker.jpg |
| 23:59.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_power_connector#Listing_of_DC_coaxial_connectors 2.0mm OD "used in Nokia", first row |
| 23:59.57 | n810moron | http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-PC-Cable-Charger-For-NOKIA-Astound-C7-E5-E61i-E66-N810-6555-6702-SLIDE-2680-/351204264172 into a standard cellphone charger will work? |
