| 00:00.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, then go ahead, you're miles ahead of what a few dozen others are doing since literally years |
| 00:00.23 | Juesto | what do you mean |
| 00:00.31 | Wizzup | dozen? |
| 00:00.34 | Wizzup | if only ;) |
| 00:00.37 | parazyd | haha |
| 00:00.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 00:00.41 | Juesto | Yeah, the entire cssu Wizzup |
| 00:00.46 | Juesto | cssu team* |
| 00:01.01 | Wizzup | I'm going to bed soon. I'm going to add more packages over the next few days, and see where we end up. |
| 00:01.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, CSSU *bnever* been about porting fremantle to another platform or upstream distro |
| 00:01.14 | Wizzup | I'm hoping that we can maybe change matchbox (if I got the name right) to use clutter 1.0 |
| 00:01.17 | Wizzup | That would be nice |
| 00:01.20 | parazyd | Wizzup: well we can import all of them actually |
| 00:01.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~CSSU |
| 00:01.29 | infobot | cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 00:01.32 | Wizzup | parazyd: let's make sure they build before we shoot them in the CI, or...? |
| 00:01.42 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05, freemangordon, pali, others... should join in on git.devuan.org/fremantle |
| 00:02.01 | Wizzup | parazyd: we might want to get it a bit further along |
| 00:02.05 | Wizzup | and also explain *why* we also need the repos there |
| 00:02.08 | Juesto | Oh okay |
| 00:02.22 | Juesto | then fremantle task force it is |
| 00:02.24 | Wizzup | I would expect us to github as upstream, and then maintainers/builders can shoot to git.devuan.org to get auto builds |
| 00:02.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf |
| 00:02.29 | infobot | [fptf] the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 00:02.30 | Juesto | is confused |
| 00:02.38 | Juesto | Oh well |
| 00:02.52 | Wizzup | parazyd: once we can build a hildon-desktop in the ci, I'll post it on the maemo forum(s) |
| 00:03.03 | Wizzup | hopefully for at least the intel arches then, maybe also arm |
| 00:03.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | unrelated to CSSU, by definition of what's CSSU |
| 00:03.10 | parazyd | okay |
| 00:03.18 | Wizzup | Juesto: CSSU is simply for 'the current n900 sw' |
| 00:03.29 | Wizzup | Although, in the process, they did do a lot of work to 'free' the software |
| 00:03.36 | Wizzup | (e.g. open source / reverse engineering it) |
| 00:03.44 | Wizzup | Which is super useful when trying to make it run on a modern system |
| 00:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 00:04.05 | parazyd | Wizzup: actually, since github is used, perhaps the org on github can make an API key for gitlab imports? |
| 00:04.07 | Wizzup | btw, anyone going to FOSDEM? |
| 00:04.22 | Wizzup | parazyd: can do, but I have no problem with manual interaction at this point |
| 00:04.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops, forgot about it |
| 00:04.27 | Wizzup | I think the 'imports' are once, not every time |
| 00:04.40 | parazyd | you just add another pushurl to your local repo, no? |
| 00:04.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I maybe ought (FOSDEM) |
| 00:05.04 | Wizzup | parazyd: I am not sure what you're asking now |
| 00:05.11 | Wizzup | what would the api key be used for |
| 00:05.44 | parazyd | now that i think of it... at most: saving 2 minutes of time |
| 00:05.46 | parazyd | lols |
| 00:06.23 | Wizzup | :) |
| 00:19.04 | Juesto | what do i do then |
| 00:19.28 | parazyd | wait a few days |
| 00:19.37 | parazyd | things are being set up |
| 00:19.50 | parazyd | try to build on a devuan machine locally |
| 00:20.32 | parazyd | keep note of what compiles without errors and let us know |
| 00:20.48 | parazyd | afterwards it will be setup on the devuan CI |
| 00:21.31 | Juesto | parazyd: I am stuck with alarmd on dpkg :| |
| 00:21.43 | Juesto | ..still |
| 00:21.55 | parazyd | well then fix it :p |
| 00:22.14 | Juesto | how do i modify a deb? |
| 00:22.20 | Juesto | because i tried with archive thing |
| 00:22.25 | Juesto | and it appears to work but it doesnt work |
| 00:22.30 | Wizzup | with ar |
| 00:22.43 | Juesto | an archive manager |
| 00:22.56 | Juesto | like mc's built in or engrampa |
| 00:23.06 | parazyd | ar x foo.deb |
| 00:23.18 | Juesto | And repacking? |
| 00:24.21 | parazyd | i'd rather modify the source and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 00:24.24 | Wizzup | you're asking difficult but google-eable questions ;) |
| 00:24.29 | Oksanaa | "ar --help" or "man ar" might be of assistance. Haven't used ar myself... |
| 00:27.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | interesting question: can mc *edit* .deb? |
| 00:28.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, editing alarmd deb is totally futile, the problem is missing dsme |
| 00:28.17 | Juesto | Ugh |
| 00:28.27 | Wizzup | gn |
| 00:28.52 | Juesto | DocScrutinizer05: i also have problems without dsme, i need to comment the start / stop invoke |
| 00:29.18 | Juesto | DocScrutinizer05: mc can view debs and appear to be able to edit them but its a placebo |
| 00:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | what the heck?! |
| 00:29.38 | parazyd | o/ |
| 00:29.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, editing alarmd deb is totally futile, the problem is ****missing**** dsme |
| 00:29.40 | Juesto | Yes i tried |
| 00:29.42 | Oksanaa | Dpkg may force a deb to be installed regardless of dependencies, but it cannot force a program to work without dependencies. |
| 00:29.59 | Juesto | Oksanaa: i need to comment something from a deb |
| 00:30.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | *of course* >>also have problems without dsme<< when the problem is it's missing |
| 00:30.28 | Juesto | DocScrutinizer05: it will fix this dpkg issue! |
| 00:30.42 | Juesto | osso-af-init is giving troubles too |
| 00:30.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | there IS NO dpkg issue |
| 00:30.47 | Juesto | sighs |
| 00:31.00 | Juesto | *i am stuck with dpkg and alarmd* |
| 00:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least nit in the logs you shown |
| 00:31.16 | Juesto | alarmd failure to start/stop is not possible |
| 00:31.19 | Juesto | i dont know why |
| 00:31.23 | Juesto | and that is holding dpkg |
| 00:31.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | BECAUSE THERE IS NO DSME RUNNING!!!! |
| 00:31.48 | Oksanaa | Why is dsme not installed? |
| 00:31.50 | Juesto | I TRIED RUNNING DSME AND IT DOES NOT WORK |
| 00:31.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | SO WHAT? |
| 00:32.01 | Oksanaa | Why doesn't it work? |
| 00:32.08 | Juesto | IT SHUTDOWNS MY SYSTEM |
| 00:32.13 | Juesto | and produces errors |
| 00:32.25 | parazyd | https://ptpimg.me/9nwa59.gif |
| 00:32.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you think fixing ALARMD is the way to go??? |
| 00:32.37 | Oksanaa | Okay, which errors? Feel fr3e to pastebin? |
| 00:32.56 | Juesto | i need to fix it because its not letting me to dpkg |
| 00:33.14 | Juesto | and i cant pastebin really since it shuts down my system and its on a vm without vmware tools |
| 00:33.23 | Juesto | it does it in 120 seconds |
| 00:33.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not letting you what? |
| 00:33.42 | Juesto | copypaste |
| 00:33.44 | parazyd | https://ptpimg.me/9nwa59.gif |
| 00:33.53 | Juesto | and pastebinit doesnt work |
| 00:34.11 | Juesto | and i cant use apt because of dpkg because of alarmd invoke init script |
| 00:34.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | how the heck does alarmd come in via apt? |
| 00:34.47 | Oksanaa | So, alarmd's broken state causes dpkg to complain about alarmd half-installed because missing dsme dependency, or something? |
| 00:35.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksanaa: maybe, I'm totally lost with Juesto |
| 00:35.41 | Oksanaa | And installing dsme causes vm to shutdown in 120 seconds, and logs are not recoverable due to lack of vm tools? |
| 00:35.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like xyz Omega problem |
| 00:36.31 | Juesto | without dsmetools now it gets stuck with osso-af-init |
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| 00:36.39 | parazyd | why not just hack dsme not to shut down? |
| 00:37.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | dme shuts down the system when it encounters problems with the processes it started. That's what dsme is made for |
| 00:37.36 | Juesto | https://defuse.ca/b/WfpDyUul |
| 00:37.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | dsme is supposed to start alarmd (among others) via an initscript |
| 00:38.07 | parazyd | i see |
| 00:38.18 | parazyd | sorry i'm not so familiar with all of these yet |
| 00:38.38 | Juesto | neither am i |
| 00:38.46 | Juesto | well partially |
| 00:39.21 | Juesto | It would be best if someone is willing to vnc and look at the system |
| 00:39.25 | Juesto | examine the system* |
| 00:39.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/24623422 cat /etc/init.d/alarmd >>>> $DSMETOOL -U user -G users -f "$DAEMON $DAEMON_OPTS" |
| 00:40.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/22889988 |
| 00:41.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/80256780 |
| 00:42.16 | Juesto | Finally |
| 00:42.23 | Juesto | i ended up editing the initd script of alarmd |
| 00:42.56 | Juesto | okay |
| 00:42.57 | Juesto | done |
| 00:44.11 | Juesto | finally! |
| 00:44.13 | Juesto | :/ |
| 00:46.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | alias paste='nc termbin.com 9999' |
| 00:46.53 | Juesto | what is that site |
| 00:47.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | cmd: Do 2. Feb 01:47:18 CET 2017 |
| 00:47.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn |
| 00:47.30 | Juesto | .. |
| 00:48.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~> date|paste |
| 00:48.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://termbin.com/wxf11 |
| 00:49.58 | Juesto | ah no wonder |
| 00:50.03 | Juesto | default is pastebin.com :/ |
| 00:50.17 | Juesto | or idk |
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| 00:50.30 | Juesto | yeah seems so |
| 00:50.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: http://paste.opensuse.org/3475554 |
| 00:50.49 | Juesto | Oksanaa: well just resolved this issue by nulling the actions taken on the init.d script :p |
| 00:51.32 | Oksanaa | Fun... Dsme working? |
| 00:51.36 | Juesto | no |
| 00:51.40 | Juesto | removed alarmd |
| 00:51.44 | Juesto | which was stucking dpkg |
| 00:52.01 | Oksanaa | Okay, dpkg works, good news. |
| 00:52.07 | Juesto | so does apt |
| 00:52.24 | Juesto | note to self: dont install alarmd |
| 00:52.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't install untested stuff, unless you want to fix it |
| 00:53.25 | Juesto | i wish i could fix it... |
| 00:53.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | fix dsme |
| 00:54.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | dsme is supposed to boot the system when something is odd, so you probbaly need a way to run it in logging verbose mode and see why it thinks it needs to reboot |
| 00:55.10 | Juesto | whats sti? |
| 00:55.20 | Juesto | and i've uninstalled a syslog facility |
| 00:55.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | "a way" == http://paste.opensuse.org/24623422 line 23 |
| 00:55.31 | Juesto | (rsyslogd) |
| 00:56.01 | Juesto | -v 7 ? |
| 00:56.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, running in a root shell: /sbin/dsme -l stderr -v 7 -p /usr/lib/dsme/libstartup.so |
| 00:56.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | should give you some idea |
| 00:57.19 | Juesto | whats sti? |
| 00:57.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ideally even via ssh into the VM, so the terminal stays when VM goes down |
| 00:57.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf sti |
| 00:57.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither |
| 00:57.45 | Juesto | what does it mean in the logging facilities |
| 00:58.03 | Juesto | i mean there;s syslog, sti, stderr, stdout and none |
| 00:58.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | what are logging facilities? |
| 00:58.16 | Juesto | there's |
| 00:58.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | never heard of sti |
| 00:58.23 | Juesto | dsmne has different logging methods |
| 00:58.46 | Juesto | *sigh* i'll reinstall rsyslog |
| 00:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? |
| 00:59.27 | Juesto | Because /var/log/syslog |
| 00:59.33 | Juesto | otherwise logless system |
| 00:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, it's pretty exhausting to try help you out |
| 00:59.59 | Juesto | i'll just redirect output to a file |
| 01:00.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-02-02 Thu 01:56:46] <DocScrutinizer05> yes, running in a root shell: /sbin/dsme -l stderr -v 7 -p /usr/lib/dsme/libstartup.so -- should give you some idea -- ideally even via ssh into the VM, so the terminal stays when VM goes down |
| 01:00.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | see the "-l stderr" in there? |
| 01:00.53 | Juesto | yea |
| 01:01.01 | Juesto | ... |
| 01:03.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course you also could edit the event.d script |
| 01:03.10 | Juesto | https://defuse.ca/b/9o0t7aKH |
| 01:04.16 | Juesto | sorry |
| 01:04.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.25 | Juesto | ..for exausting |
| 01:05.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | MALF is BAD for bootstate |
| 01:06.09 | Juesto | What do i put for bootstate |
| 01:06.46 | Juesto | >Device state manager entity |
| 01:06.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | try BOOTSTATE='pwr_key' /sbin/dsme -l stderr -v 7 -p /usr/lib/dsme/libstartup.so |
| 01:06.50 | Juesto | i guess that's not required |
| 01:07.12 | Juesto | still malfs |
| 01:07.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | it starts daemons and monitors and respawns them |
| 01:07.32 | Juesto | Pretty much initd exists for that..? |
| 01:07.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe pwr_key is no valid BOOTSTATE |
| 01:07.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, initd doesn't monitor |
| 01:07.51 | Juesto | do cat saved-state |
| 01:08.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | gooood idea |
| 01:08.19 | Juesto | the command it issues |
| 01:08.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# cat /tmp/STATE |
| 01:08.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | USER |
| 01:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2017-01-17 02:23 USER |
| 01:09.13 | Juesto | line 15 |
| 01:09.34 | Juesto | in your paste |
| 01:09.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 01:09.55 | Juesto | cat /var/lib/dsme/saved_state = USER ? |
| 01:10.25 | Juesto | and such file doesnt even exist |
| 01:10.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, busy. Please try 'nc termbin.com 9999' instead pastebin or whatever |
| 01:10.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | should 'just work' |
| 01:11.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# cat /var/lib/dsme/saved_state |
| 01:11.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | USERIroN900:~# |
| 01:11.50 | Juesto | brb dinner |
| 01:12.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | breakfast here |
| 01:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | FYI: MALF = malfunction, a terrible state |
| 01:13.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | even worse on N9 (aka HARMattan): http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Aegis-kills-device.jpg |
| 01:14.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd say dsme rebooting the device is actually already a small success story |
| 01:14.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's meant to do exactly this |
| 01:14.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | in this particular situation |
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| 01:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | (dsme not needed) indeed you could get away without dsme completely, you 'only' need to replace all initscript lines in all subsystems from $DSMETOOL -U user -G users -f "$DAEMON $DAEMON_OPTS" to a plain call not using dsme to start the $DAEMON |
| 01:20.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | see http://paste.opensuse.org/22889988 line 61 and before |
| 01:27.41 | Juesto | where are you DocScrutinizer05 |
| 01:30.42 | Juesto | and pc just doesnt need dsme |
| 01:30.44 | Juesto | lol |
| 01:31.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | pc just doesn't need maemo |
| 01:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 01:31.56 | Juesto | i just want maemo for contributing :) |
| 01:32.09 | Juesto | maemo on pc* |
| 01:32.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo is built on top of dsme - partially |
| 01:32.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW dsme is one of the core system components of maemo |
| 01:33.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | you PC for sure doesn't need it, *maemo* needs it, as you see with e.g. alarmd |
| 01:33.39 | Juesto | then lets just strip that from alarmd |
| 01:33.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 01:33.51 | Juesto | but if we do it tries to use osso-af-init |
| 01:35.03 | Juesto | and i already forgotten my tmo password :/ |
| 01:35.49 | Juesto | whats the last maemo release name |
| 01:36.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I had a lengthy discussion with freemangordon about that. either you move everything maemo to a new platform at once, and then fix stuff bottom up, or you port piecemeal and strip 30% functionality out of each single piece since that 30% depend on other pieces you didn't port yet. Zhe latter approach will not result in anything similar to maemo when you think you're done |
| 01:36.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle or harmattan |
| 01:37.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | depending on your take of what's maemo |
| 01:37.10 | Juesto | tmo random question |
| 01:41.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo isn't a desktop or a task manager or a mediaplayer or a few wallpapers. Maemo is a complete OS tightly integrated from PID1 which isn't initd on maemo to initsystem which is sort of upstart but not really, to lots of middleware like dsme and mce and lots of dbus daemons and stuff, to hildon-desktop. When you say you want *maemo* you want all that, not just alarmd or hildon |
| 01:42.11 | Juesto | hmm |
| 01:42.24 | Juesto | when was that discussion |
| 01:42.28 | Juesto | and where |
| 01:42.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | in here, weeks or months ago |
| 01:44.17 | Juesto | meh |
| 01:44.23 | Juesto | half year ago perhaps? |
| 01:44.33 | Juesto | or last moth or something |
| 01:44.37 | Juesto | month |
| 01:44.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | you won't learn anything new from that old discussion, you can see clearly where I'm coming from, a few lines above by your own problems and my comments |
| 01:45.53 | Juesto | hm |
| 01:45.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you want *maemo*, you do _not_ want to strip dsme (and then mce, and icd, and csd, and and and). When you just want *hildon* that's not maemo, so don't call it maemo |
| 01:46.50 | Juesto | i guess i want hildon and apps instead |
| 01:46.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo has a LOT of special tweaks that are not closed blobs but unique to maemo |
| 01:47.10 | Juesto | i should get a n900 but i do not have availability |
| 01:47.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | apps generally won't work without maemo environment |
| 01:47.24 | Juesto | :/ |
| 01:47.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, they are made to make most use of the maemo environment they are targeted at |
| 01:48.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't want to run KDE apps on xfce either, do you? |
| 01:48.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | *some* even might run, many won't |
| 01:49.19 | Juesto | meh |
| 01:51.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, sorry, that's how OS work, since CP/M and DOS, and even before |
| 01:53.08 | Juesto | :| |
| 01:57.24 | Oksanaa | Any chance of vmware tools capturing dsme errors? |
| 02:02.02 | Juesto | No, that doesnt matter |
| 02:02.16 | Juesto | and dsme errors just go to stdout, cant redirect to file |
| 02:02.31 | Juesto | i should install a syslog facility and use that |
| 02:10.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | dsme "errors" go out to STDERR, not STDOUT |
| 02:11.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least with dsme -l stderr |
| 02:11.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know, that 2>somwhere thing |
| 02:12.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | or 2>&1|nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 02:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | or 2>&1|tee >(nc termbin.com 9999) |
| 02:14.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | (not 100% sure the last one works) |
| 02:19.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, works |
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| 02:48.21 | Juesto | wtf breakfast!? |
| 02:49.20 | Oksanaa | Juesto : timezones are very different . |
| 02:49.30 | Juesto | ... |
| 02:50.13 | Juesto | Oksanaa: i do not understand why you try to help but not seem to want to talk about anything else |
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| 07:11.57 | freemangordon | Juesto: what is the problem with dsme? |
| 07:17.52 | Juesto | it fails to run |
| 07:18.01 | Juesto | BOOTSTATE=MALS |
| 07:18.33 | Juesto | and even without dmse alarmd fails to start due to osso-af-init |
| 07:18.46 | Juesto | that created issues with dpkg that i had to comment the init script |
| 07:19.09 | Juesto | freemangordon: vnc perhaps? :( |
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| 07:19.47 | Juesto | i mean, would you like to look at it over vnc? |
| 07:20.11 | freemangordon | Juesto: no need |
| 07:20.58 | freemangordon | Juesto: check dsme startup script, it tries to get boot state from /tmp/STATE |
| 07:21.14 | freemangordon | and /var/lib/dsme/saved_state (iirc) |
| 07:21.16 | bencoh | Juesto: people usually prefer ssh, btw |
| 07:21.49 | freemangordon | Juesto: that one too :) |
| 07:22.04 | Juesto | bencoh its on vmware nat so its hard to ssh actually |
| 07:22.08 | Juesto | and i prefer vnc |
| 07:22.09 | freemangordon | Juesto: just edit that startup script so the state to be always "USER" |
| 07:22.30 | Juesto | i am running it manually |
| 07:23.04 | Juesto | freemangordon: the saved_state thing does not exist at all |
| 07:23.12 | freemangordon | then create it |
| 07:23.14 | KotCzarny | then create it |
| 07:23.18 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 07:23.18 | freemangordon | :) |
| 07:23.36 | KotCzarny | had to type '/msg #maemo' :P |
| 07:23.40 | Juesto | i am not supposed to create it |
| 07:23.42 | Juesto | lol |
| 07:23.43 | Juesto | why |
| 07:23.46 | freemangordon | heads for work |
| 07:23.51 | Juesto | sighs |
| 07:24.10 | KotCzarny | juesto: because you are not using it on original software |
| 07:24.26 | freemangordon | Juesto: then wait until all the needed pieces are in place |
| 07:24.31 | KotCzarny | and because you are now exploring unknown territory |
| 07:24.39 | freemangordon | right |
| 07:25.02 | Juesto | right |
| 07:25.05 | Juesto | :| |
| 07:25.34 | bencoh | Juesto: most of the things you have to do manually will have to go in the postinst script of some package |
| 07:25.45 | KotCzarny | so either treat it as a learning ground how maemo internally works, or just wait for ready-for-endusers product |
| 07:26.09 | bencoh | but until then you still have to fiddle with the system to make it work and note it down so someone can eventually write a proper package |
| 07:26.23 | Juesto | i dont like taking notes but okay |
| 07:26.26 | Juesto | and i prefer chat |
| 07:26.34 | Juesto | i prefer to share directly instead of writting notes |
| 07:26.38 | Juesto | writing* |
| 07:26.58 | bencoh | that's "fine" when you have infinite time ;p |
| 07:27.11 | bencoh | (and same goes for people around you) |
| 07:27.55 | Juesto | i just feel lazy |
| 07:29.15 | Juesto | images do more than words |
| 07:29.18 | Juesto | also ^ |
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| 07:30.26 | Juesto | what do i do then |
| 07:30.26 | KotCzarny | btw. used n900 go cheap, you might check your local classifieds sites |
| 07:30.46 | Juesto | i just cant buy |
| 07:30.48 | Juesto | or something |
| 07:30.56 | Juesto | a trust issue, kind of |
| 07:31.10 | KotCzarny | no moneys? |
| 07:31.23 | Juesto | no online money |
| 07:31.34 | Juesto | and i feel a bit guilty |
| 07:31.36 | Juesto | tbh |
| 07:31.50 | KotCzarny | request 'paid on delivery' |
| 07:32.13 | Juesto | just feels uncomfortable |
| 07:33.28 | Juesto | and im with the vnc thing |
| 07:33.34 | Juesto | because loneliness reasons |
| 07:33.50 | Juesto | like it gives a clearer view |
| 07:34.37 | Juesto | please? |
| 07:34.42 | KotCzarny | start playing some mmorpg, should solve your loneliness issue |
| 07:34.56 | KotCzarny | and as others have said, easier to use ssh |
| 07:34.56 | Juesto | KotCzarny: i suck at those strategy games |
| 07:35.12 | KotCzarny | juesto: there are plenty of online games, of different kinds |
| 07:35.15 | Juesto | KotCzarny: as i stated, the vm is on a nat so... |
| 07:35.22 | Juesto | yea i am a gamer, do not worry about that |
| 07:35.58 | Juesto | its just |
| 07:36.56 | Juesto | okay |
| 07:39.11 | xes | Juesto: no need to feel unconfortable or sigh every two msg. Please be concrete using your time focusing on tasks that can be completed. Asking for generic help or support... probably means abuse the time of who is trying to help and obtain nothing usable. So, be concrete, use your time in a productive way |
| 07:39.54 | Juesto | okay |
| 07:40.00 | Juesto | i just lost.... something |
| 07:40.10 | Juesto | ..momentum |
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| 07:40.46 | Juesto | i cant make it work on bridged mode |
| 07:42.36 | xes | me too. I can't make my girlfriend work in bridged mode but i enjoy life in different ways |
| 07:44.05 | xes | ... ;) |
| 07:44.58 | Juesto | ... |
| 07:45.01 | Juesto | :| |
| 07:48.15 | Juesto | what then |
| 07:49.52 | Juesto | xes ? |
| 07:50.33 | KotCzarny | xes: have you tried turning her off and on again? ;) |
| 07:50.50 | Juesto | lol :/ |
| 07:51.54 | xes | KotCzarny: yes, anything... except factory reset (i'm scared about the possible result) |
| 07:52.26 | Juesto | im scared of "factory reset" or reinstalls too :) |
| 07:52.33 | Juesto | its just a bad thing for the user |
| 07:52.41 | Juesto | information get losts |
| 07:52.48 | Juesto | gets lost* |
| 07:52.51 | KotCzarny | xes: dongles? new software? |
| 07:53.05 | KotCzarny | new toys? |
| 07:53.59 | Juesto | i wish i have a girlfriend |
| 07:55.24 | xes | KotCzarny: i'm old style.. and there is no serial/jtag port :) Anyway.. Juesto: polling != productive |
| 07:55.51 | KotCzarny | xes: inductive connectivity is the future |
| 07:55.51 | Juesto | idk :( |
| 07:58.18 | Juesto | i want to die due to depression |
| 07:59.40 | Juesto | i might exaggerate sometimes |
| 07:59.48 | Juesto | so.. sorry for that and for OT |
| 08:07.46 | Juesto | i cant focus anymore, i lost momentum and i wish i can get that enthusiasm back |
| 08:16.21 | xes | Juesto: i see. But as i said before, you shoult point at something where the result is known and doable..Not something abstract without any end. Or you will obtain even more unsatisfaction |
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| 08:39.51 | warfare | Juesto: go see a doctor please. |
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| 08:59.14 | warfare | Juesto: A friend of mine suffers from depression and the pretty much only solution is to seek professional help. |
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| 17:48.20 | NeKit | got inspired by http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1522668#post1522668 and https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-4c/accessories/qwerty-keyboard-slider-diy-t3303280 |
| 17:48.22 | NeKit | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By7Ry3yX7vD4MG5iX1V5bWJ1ZXM/view?usp=sharing |
| 17:48.22 | NeKit | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By7Ry3yX7vD4R2RuUURXSS14Zkk/view?usp=sharing |
| 17:48.35 | NeKit | *sorry for the links flood* |
| 18:00.42 | freemangordon | NeKit: is that maemo? |
| 18:01.01 | NeKit | just hildon |
| 18:01.12 | freemangordon | well, yeah |
| 18:01.35 | freemangordon | this is the chroot you were working on? |
| 18:02.30 | NeKit | yes |
| 18:03.29 | NeKit | I tried starting some apps from Scratchbox target, and some can actually be started, like alarm settings or file manager |
| 18:03.57 | Juesto | oh cool nekit |
| 18:04.20 | Juesto | do you know if i can do something regarding the sdk vm's xephyr? |
| 18:04.25 | freemangordon | NeKit: is that device supported in upstream kernel? |
| 18:04.50 | freemangordon | whatever it is - nexus? |
| 18:04.51 | NeKit | no, it's MediaTek SoC based |
| 18:04.55 | freemangordon | oh |
| 18:05.28 | freemangordon | why don't you use something which can boot upstream kernel an install maemo on it? |
| 18:05.47 | Juesto | because i cant shift+control aka cant do any maemo hotkeys because xephyr uses it for input grabbing |
| 18:06.32 | NeKit | do you mean Devuan or actual Maemo? |
| 18:06.42 | freemangordon | Juesto: get qemu n900 image that comes with qtcreator, it has full keyboard suppot |
| 18:07.09 | freemangordon | NeKit: well devuan with hildon-desktop and whatnot memo on it is no longer devuan :) |
| 18:07.19 | freemangordon | but yeah, this is what I meant |
| 18:07.57 | Juesto | freemangordon: i have the nokia lucid vm |
| 18:08.16 | Juesto | NeKit: ^ |
| 18:09.17 | Juesto | qtcreator where? freemangordon |
| 18:10.03 | NeKit | Juesto, sorry, no idea about Xephyr |
| 18:10.35 | Juesto | well at least converting xephyr to a regular X display would help |
| 18:10.39 | Juesto | greatly help* |
| 18:11.25 | NeKit | start second instance of regular X display maybe? |
| 18:12.31 | Juesto | im a bit clueless how it works since it only seems to run properly from the sdk shortcut on the desktop |
| 18:12.33 | Juesto | in that vm |
| 18:12.42 | Juesto | its a bunch of scripts |
| 18:18.22 | NeKit | freemangordon, yet, I have Sailfish more or less ported on this device, and making calls works through ofono there |
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| 18:18.33 | NeKit | I wonder if ofono can be bridged to Maemo UI |
| 18:19.02 | freemangordon | NeKit: I guess yes, phone-ui dbus iface is more or less known |
| 18:19.29 | freemangordon | sailfish? on android kernel through libybris? |
| 18:19.33 | NeKit | yes |
| 18:19.39 | freemangordon | *libhybris |
| 18:20.04 | freemangordon | well, not exactly linux in any shape or form :) |
| 18:20.23 | freemangordon | it is still android |
| 18:20.40 | Juesto | android is linux but with a compressed combo image :) |
| 18:20.47 | freemangordon | with its crazy power management and closed blobs |
| 18:20.58 | Juesto | depends |
| 18:21.13 | Juesto | hehe |
| 18:22.05 | NeKit | as for power management - it isn't, but really true about blobs |
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| 18:22.37 | Juesto | it depends on the device really |
| 18:22.44 | freemangordon | NeKit: yes, it is, android does PM through wakelocks (if I remember the name correctly) |
| 18:22.47 | Juesto | the blobs |
| 18:22.55 | Juesto | not exactly |
| 18:22.59 | freemangordon | not through DVFS |
| 18:23.04 | Juesto | but yes, it uses wake locking |
| 18:23.10 | Juesto | and theres wifi locking |
| 18:23.15 | Juesto | which it can be glitchy |
| 18:23.47 | freemangordon | NeKit: there is a lengthy thread on TMO re problems running sshd on sailfish because of those wkaelocks |
| 18:24.19 | NeKit | now I understand |
| 18:24.26 | Juesto | o_O |
| 18:24.46 | NeKit | yes, it's not working nicely when the phone is sleeping and it's not connected to power sources |
| 18:24.47 | Juesto | link? |
| 18:25.15 | Juesto | but hey, at least it does its best to keep the battery healthy :) |
| 18:25.22 | freemangordon | Juesto: I don't have, search the forum |
| 18:25.34 | Juesto | sorry |
| 18:27.07 | NeKit | so N900 doesn't go to suspend? |
| 18:27.26 | freemangordon | no |
| 18:28.01 | Juesto | i guess i can just forward the ssh port |
| 18:28.21 | freemangordon | it does a power-off of the currently unneeded HW, simplified |
| 18:29.00 | freemangordon | ~dvfs |
| 18:29.07 | freemangordon | hmm :( |
| 18:29.37 | Juesto | ~moo |
| 18:29.37 | infobot | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 18:32.05 | freemangordon | NeKit: https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 18:32.20 | NeKit | thanks for the link |
| 18:33.04 | NeKit | but still, I think libhybris is viable option when we live in Android world |
| 18:33.49 | freemangordon | NeKit: not in maemo world, it wants X, at least for now :) |
| 18:34.46 | freemangordon | actually I don;t know how feasible is to try to boot maemo on android kernal |
| 18:34.51 | freemangordon | *kernel |
| 18:35.31 | Juesto | android uses surfaceflinger for graphics |
| 18:35.35 | Juesto | it is a different beast |
| 18:35.43 | Wizzup | we don't live in an android world |
| 18:35.44 | Juesto | but sure, android can run X |
| 18:35.45 | NeKit | desktop Linux can boot on Android kernel with some options turned on |
| 18:36.07 | freemangordon | with full X and GL accell? |
| 18:36.28 | freemangordon | cool |
| 18:36.46 | Juesto | look at ubuntu touch |
| 18:36.49 | Juesto | or firefox os |
| 18:36.51 | NeKit | that depends on X-compatible drivers |
| 18:36.52 | freemangordon | but then, we'll have no working PM |
| 18:36.54 | Juesto | those are android based |
| 18:37.17 | freemangordon | Juesto: those does not use X afaik |
| 18:37.27 | NeKit | for Adreno there is Freedreno, and Mali seems to provide blobs |
| 18:37.45 | freemangordon | I am fine with blobs for GPU |
| 18:38.00 | Juesto | freemangordon: ubuntu touch has some functionality where you can have a full desktop when you plug it to a external display |
| 18:38.36 | NeKit | but that device I tried on has PoverVR Rogue, so no Xorg-blobs, I need to try to get acceleration working through libhybris |
| 18:38.37 | Juesto | also Wizzup, fmg, np if i just port forward ssh of my vm for you guys? |
| 18:38.50 | Juesto | since everyone prefers ssh |
| 18:38.50 | freemangordon | but I am not fine with being stuck to some ancient $vendor kernel |
| 18:38.52 | Wizzup | To do what |
| 18:39.07 | Juesto | to look at what i've done so far..? |
| 18:39.20 | Juesto | not sure |
| 18:39.23 | Wizzup | If you have patches for the repos, submit them |
| 18:39.42 | Wizzup | otherwise, I'm just going to continue uploading packages to git.devuan.org/groups/fremantle |
| 18:39.47 | Wizzup | I need to finish some work first |
| 18:40.18 | freemangordon | Juesto: if I need ssh access I'll tell you, so far you;re reporting problems which are either known or simple |
| 18:40.55 | freemangordon | NeKit: I was under the impression PowerVR has driver blobs from TI |
| 18:41.17 | Juesto | is there a way to link maemo bugzilla with maemo.org and tmo? |
| 18:41.24 | Juesto | and/or use maemo.org openid? |
| 18:41.29 | freemangordon | no idea |
| 18:43.06 | NeKit | I think TI SoCs only use PowerVR SGX series as opposed to newer ones |
| 18:44.16 | Wizzup | freemangordon: have you managed to build clutter 0.8 from the community-cssu repo? |
| 18:44.23 | Wizzup | I run into stupid autotools errors |
| 18:44.38 | Wizzup | Or do you just d/l the .deb from cssu |
| 18:44.55 | Juesto | Wizzup: i already told you that you need to switch branches |
| 18:45.10 | Wizzup | there is only one branch. |
| 18:45.19 | Juesto | for which? libmatchbox2? |
| 18:45.31 | Wizzup | no, clutter. I can check for libmatchbox2 |
| 18:46.03 | Juesto | you're not using the same as i've used for building... |
| 18:46.04 | Wizzup | I'll upstream gtk2 |
| 18:46.05 | Juesto | :| |
| 18:46.14 | NeKit | I think fremantle-gtk2 is ported to clutter 1.0 |
| 18:46.20 | Juesto | ^ exactly |
| 18:46.30 | freemangordon | Wizzup: you don;t need maemo clutter |
| 18:46.44 | Wizzup | freemangordon: It depends on 'clutter-0.8' |
| 18:46.55 | freemangordon | Wizzup: no |
| 18:47.00 | freemangordon | which repo? |
| 18:47.01 | Wizzup | master and upstream-gtk2 do |
| 18:47.25 | freemangordon | which package? |
| 18:47.27 | Juesto | Explain how i could dpkg-buildpackage -b libmatchbox2 on a standard devuan |
| 18:47.29 | Wizzup | freemangordon: fremantle-gtk2/libmatchbox2 |
| 18:48.15 | freemangordon | Build-Depends: cdbs (>= 0.4.21), automake, libtool, debhelper (>= 4.1.0), pkg-config (>= 0.18), libx11-dev, x11proto-core-dev, libxext-dev, libxt-dev, libglib2.0-dev, libpng12-dev, libpango1.0-dev, libxcomposite-dev, libxdamage-dev, libclutter-1.0-dev |
| 18:48.28 | freemangordon | *libclutter-1.0-dev* |
| 18:48.38 | freemangordon | Wizzup: you're using wrong branch |
| 18:48.59 | freemangordon | Wizzup: https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/libmatchbox2/tree/upstream-gtk2 |
| 18:49.00 | Wizzup | I am on upstream-gtk2 atm |
| 18:49.11 | Wizzup | maybe dpkg-buildpackage does some stupid caching crap |
| 18:49.18 | freemangordon | I don;t think so |
| 18:49.25 | Wizzup | well, I *am* on the right branch |
| 18:49.34 | Wizzup | let me re-clone and see |
| 18:50.05 | freemangordon | ok. However what I have pasted ^^^ is from github |
| 18:50.20 | Wizzup | yes. dpkg-buildpackage did some stupid caching |
| 18:50.26 | Juesto | ;) |
| 18:50.26 | freemangordon | really? omg |
| 18:50.27 | Wizzup | That wasted a good hour of my time |
| 18:50.33 | Juesto | :D |
| 18:50.46 | freemangordon | Wizzup: which devuan is that? |
| 18:50.54 | Wizzup | it's debian jessie |
| 18:51.13 | Wizzup | (chroot) |
| 18:51.16 | freemangordon | hmm, the same I am using, never seen such a behaviour |
| 18:51.27 | Wizzup | mb-wm-util.c:289:3: error: ignoring return value of 'vasprintf', declared with attribute warn_unused_result [-Werror=unused-result] |
| 18:51.30 | Wizzup | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.32 | freemangordon | should not matter aiui (chroot) |
| 18:51.33 | Wizzup | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.35 | Wizzup | cc1: all warnings being treated as errors |
| 18:51.39 | Wizzup | (I can fix this error myself) |
| 18:51.43 | Wizzup | yeah, chroot should not matter. |
| 18:52.05 | freemangordon | Wizzup: lemme check if I have pushed everything matchbox |
| 18:53.06 | freemangordon | "Everything up-to-date" |
| 18:53.17 | freemangordon | Wizzup: weird that I don;t have that error here |
| 18:53.24 | Wizzup | no 'git diff' changes? |
| 18:53.30 | freemangordon | no |
| 18:53.37 | Juesto | i have the same copy since the repositories were all last updated 20+ days ago |
| 18:53.44 | Juesto | fremantle-gtk2 forks |
| 18:53.47 | Wizzup | I mean, clearly something is passing -Werror |
| 18:54.03 | Juesto | you're clearly doing something wrong |
| 18:54.12 | Wizzup | ... |
| 18:54.42 | Juesto | we do not have your issue |
| 18:54.45 | Wizzup | Yes, clearly configure.ac containing -Werror, which errors about a valid ignoring of a return value is me doing something wrong. |
| 18:54.50 | parazyd | you could employ your own CFLAGS |
| 18:54.56 | Wizzup | I know |
| 18:55.10 | Wizzup | I have none set in my env. |
| 18:55.23 | parazyd | oh ok, that was my thought |
| 18:55.23 | Juesto | me neither yet i had zero issues |
| 18:55.29 | freemangordon | Wizzup: -Werror is on purpose, what is weird is why you have that warning but not me |
| 18:55.43 | Juesto | freemangordon: and some packages do have a missing configure |
| 18:55.57 | freemangordon | Juesto: that's normal |
| 18:55.59 | Juesto | goes through the building again |
| 18:56.08 | freemangordon | dpkg-buildpackage is supposet to create it |
| 18:56.12 | freemangordon | *supposed |
| 18:56.32 | Juesto | Well then it fails creating it because of the missing rule |
| 18:56.34 | Wizzup | freemangordon: well, ignoring the result of vasprintf is indeed an error |
| 18:56.42 | freemangordon | Wizzup: gcc (Debian 4.9.2-10) 4.9.2 |
| 18:56.52 | Wizzup | same |
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| 18:59.03 | freemangordon | Wizzup: hmm |
| 18:59.03 | freemangordon | Wizzup: I just rebuild it, no error |
| 18:59.07 | Wizzup | https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/libmatchbox2/blob/master/matchbox/core/mb-wm-util.c#L289 |
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| 18:59.24 | Wizzup_ | https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/libmatchbox2/blob/master/matchbox/core/mb-wm-util.c#L289 |
| 18:59.55 | Wizzup_ | (got lagged out) |
| 19:00.30 | freemangordon | yes, I see, what I don;t understand is why I don;t have that error here |
| 19:00.57 | Wizzup_ | maybe you have CFLAGS set in env? |
| 19:01.16 | Juesto | i have none yet i do not have errors |
| 19:01.37 | freemangordon | Wizzup_: no |
| 19:02.16 | freemangordon | Wizzup_: it is something on your side, neither me or Juesto or NeKit have that error |
| 19:02.40 | Wizzup_ | I fixed the code to compile with -Werror, and now the package builds. |
| 19:02.48 | freemangordon | ok |
| 19:02.55 | NeKit | not sure about me, I had to change flags for some packages, but thought this to be Arch-specific |
| 19:03.03 | freemangordon | ok |
| 19:03.15 | Wizzup_ | I have x86_64 debian |
| 19:03.32 | freemangordon | same here, but in VM, not chroot |
| 19:03.40 | freemangordon | debian? |
| 19:03.45 | Wizzup_ | yes |
| 19:03.55 | Juesto | Wizzup_: https://defuse.ca/b/dUSdHWr9 |
| 19:04.08 | freemangordon | this is in the VM - Devuan GNU/Linux 1 \n \l |
| 19:04.24 | Juesto | 32 bits vm here and i pastebinned a proof |
| 19:04.43 | Wizzup_ | I don't use devuan, because I already had a chroot with debian. I'll set up a devuan later, but for now that doesn't seem required |
| 19:04.55 | Wizzup_ | Juesto: 'proof' is not required - the code is wrong and -Werror is correct about complaining about it |
| 19:04.59 | Juesto | Perhaps the chroot is giving you problems? |
| 19:05.03 | Juesto | :| |
| 19:05.18 | Juesto | it might be wrong but it only does not work for you, not us |
| 19:05.47 | Wizzup_ | I am not interested in this discussion. -Werror tells you exactly what is wrong in the code. It was the only bug, I've fixed it |
| 19:05.54 | Juesto | okay |
| 19:06.11 | Juesto | me neither actually, i'd rather not burn out with that |
| 19:06.25 | Wizzup_ | freemangordon: fwiw, git.devuan.org contains a fremantle group now, I am uploading the git repos here, which is a requirement to build on their CI |
| 19:06.36 | Wizzup_ | if you make an account there (whenever you want) I'll add you to the group |
| 19:06.50 | Wizzup_ | so for now we can't directly use the github repos, but I'll just manually push over any changes |
| 19:07.52 | freemangordon | Wizzup_: great |
| 19:08.07 | freemangordon | I'll create an account there |
| 19:08.11 | Wizzup_ | It only contains libcal, but I'm going to upload libmatchbox2 now |
| 19:08.16 | freemangordon | ok |
| 19:08.25 | Wizzup_ | I think we may need to create a (testing) gpg key, which I think parazyd did, and I can send that your way too |
| 19:08.47 | parazyd | yep emailed to you |
| 19:08.52 | Wizzup_ | yeah, I got it |
| 19:10.36 | freemangordon | Wizzup_: I hope you made devuan guys aware this is WIP? |
| 19:10.36 | freemangordon | Wizzup_: registered |
| 19:10.59 | Wizzup_ | freemangordon: been in contact with devuan guys, yeah, and they are aware, they still need to enable 'ci features' on the group, afaik |
| 19:11.10 | freemangordon | ci? |
| 19:11.25 | parazyd | jenkins builds |
| 19:11.27 | Juesto | a botbuilder iirc |
| 19:11.29 | Juesto | ^^ |
| 19:11.29 | parazyd | https://ci.devuan.org |
| 19:11.30 | Wizzup_ | 'continous integration' |
| 19:11.32 | Wizzup_ | basically auto builds |
| 19:11.36 | freemangordon | ok, thanks |
| 19:12.00 | parazyd | to type a bit of the backlog from #devuan...: |
| 19:12.13 | freemangordon | thats great, lets hope we finally have a foundation for a true linux mobile OS |
| 19:12.25 | parazyd | all packages autobuilt currently end up in devuan (official) packages, and in case of fremantle it's unwanted |
| 19:12.36 | parazyd | so a separate group will be set up on the ci |
| 19:18.13 | freemangordon | yep, makes sense |
| 19:19.17 | Wizzup_ | I am waiting for the devuan side to give me an 'OK' when it comes to using the autobuild feature |
| 19:19.56 | parazyd | we can ping Centurion_Dan later when he wakes up/gets online |
| 19:20.33 | Wizzup_ | sounds good |
| 19:29.10 | Juesto | https://defuse.ca/b/w6kchejb - freemangordon: package generation output and install and alarmd dpkg fix |
| 19:29.18 | Juesto | did not test running them |
| 19:29.55 | Juesto | expires in 10 days and counting |
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| 19:58.34 | freemangordon | Juesto: please if you have something fixed, fork on github and make pull requests, I can;t really scroll through hundreds of lines of build logs to guess what went wrong and how it was fixed. It simply doesn't work that way |
| 19:59.56 | freemangordon | Wizzup_: is it normal that git.devuan.org redirects me to github? |
| 20:00.27 | freemangordon | oh, it is my fault actually |
| 20:00.37 | Wizzup_ | No, that's not normal :p |
| 20:01.15 | freemangordon | well, I guess it will take some time till I get used to the iface :) |
| 20:01.32 | Wizzup_ | fwiw, I don't think we have to move all the repos there |
| 20:01.39 | Wizzup_ | it can stay on GH, and we can just sync the repos |
| 20:01.47 | Wizzup_ | I mean, I'll make clones on g.d.o |
| 20:02.15 | freemangordon | yep, I prefer to keep github as main repo too |
| 20:03.02 | Wizzup_ | too |
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| 20:07.31 | Juesto | Ugh |
| 20:07.41 | Juesto | i just do not want to go through the hassle of forking |
| 20:08.10 | freemangordon | Juesto: it is one click only |
| 20:08.29 | Wizzup_ | Juesto: you building it for yourself doesn't help anyone else, especially if you don't tell us what you changed/fixed |
| 20:08.45 | Juesto | I didnt change anything.. Wizzup_ |
| 20:09.00 | Juesto | in fact, all my tests information is on that report i've written |
| 20:10.20 | freemangordon | Wizzup_: what arch will that ci build for? |
| 20:10.24 | freemangordon | *archs |
| 20:10.35 | freemangordon | or it is up to us? |
| 20:10.36 | Wizzup_ | I think initially intel, then have qemu instances for armel and armhf |
| 20:10.41 | Wizzup_ | and I am going to give them extra arm hw for building |
| 20:10.47 | Wizzup_ | I don't know what it will target initially |
| 20:10.57 | Wizzup_ | I only know that making a build requires to make an issue that has title 'Build' |
| 20:11.08 | Wizzup_ | (and changes to debian/changelog) |
| 20:12.33 | parazyd | that's up to us, we can build all if we want |
| 20:12.43 | freemangordon | good |
| 20:13.18 | freemangordon | armel is cool to have, for stock maemo compatibility, but then we'll have issues with armle GPU drivers |
| 20:13.55 | parazyd | arm64 could be interesting too |
| 20:14.10 | Wizzup_ | we hardly have any arm64 hw |
| 20:14.15 | Wizzup_ | unless you mean the olimex laptop ;) |
| 20:14.31 | NeKit | or if libhybris is used :) |
| 20:16.20 | Juesto | and what about true x64 aka itanium? |
| 20:16.27 | freemangordon | NeKit: well, I guess I'll leave lybhibris to more knowledgeable ones |
| 20:16.55 | freemangordon | Juesto: how many itanium mobile devices do you know? |
| 20:17.15 | Juesto | none..? |
| 20:17.19 | freemangordon | mhm |
| 20:18.14 | freemangordon | that it doesn;t really make sense to me to build for non-existing HW. we may build for z80 with the same result :) |
| 20:18.44 | freemangordon | ~6502 |
| 20:18.52 | freemangordon | ~ping |
| 20:18.52 | infobot | ~pong |
| 20:19.58 | freemangordon | really hopes to find some spare time to work on finishing osso-bookmark-engine and to continue porting during the weekend |
| 20:23.54 | NeKit | in case of arm7hf builds, will chroot be still needed to launch Maemo closed-source apps due to them being armel? |
| 20:23.57 | Wizzup_ | I'll be at FOSDEM in the weekend |
| 20:24.49 | freemangordon | NeKit: I guess so, though I don;t really know how will work that in regards to GL |
| 20:25.25 | freemangordon | and if it is going to work at all |
| 20:26.23 | freemangordon | NeKit: but, I hope slowly but steady they will be either REed or replaced by FOSS ones |
| 20:27.06 | Wizzup_ | I would not aim for closed maemo apps initially, unless they are required |
| 20:27.17 | freemangordon | deffinitely |
| 20:27.20 | Wizzup_ | the nice thing, I think, is that we can just take 'extras' and recompile it against the new sw, see how many just work |
| 20:28.23 | freemangordon | If we gain momentum thanks to maemo repo on devuan servers, I hope more devs joining, taking on trivial tasks, thus freeing my spare time to work on REing |
| 20:29.06 | freemangordon | Wizzup_: speaking of maemo - why is group called fremantle? |
| 20:29.26 | freemangordon | or, this is temporary, until somebody come with a better name? |
| 20:29.35 | Juesto | because of trademark issues? |
| 20:29.36 | Wizzup_ | freemangordon: we can rename it to maemo |
| 20:29.40 | Wizzup_ | there are no trademark issues |
| 20:29.48 | Wizzup_ | I thought there might be |
| 20:29.52 | Juesto | DocScrutinizer05 ^ |
| 20:29.58 | Wizzup_ | Juesto: please, we already discussed it extensively |
| 20:29.58 | freemangordon | no, it is ok RE TM |
| 20:30.02 | Wizzup_ | let's not reiterate |
| 20:30.07 | Juesto | yeah just for fmg |
| 20:30.10 | Juesto | :/ |
| 20:30.18 | Juesto | sighs |
| 20:30.33 | Wizzup_ | freemangordon: I went for fremantle because it seemed more clear, 'maemo' seemed to general. But doc said that it's better to go for 'maemo' since more people recognize it as such |
| 20:30.40 | Wizzup_ | seemed too* |
| 20:30.44 | freemangordon | yep, makes sense |
| 20:30.54 | Wizzup_ | but I think we should rename to maemo, since most would like it, and also for recognition |
| 20:30.58 | Wizzup_ | but I didn't want to make that call |
| 20:31.13 | freemangordon | but this is nothing to hurry about |
| 20:31.26 | Wizzup_ | true, but I don't want to cause a lot more work devuan people (although I doubt it's a lot of work) |
| 20:31.32 | Wizzup_ | I'm leaving it as is for now |
| 20:31.37 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 20:31.52 | Juesto | :facedesk: |
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| 22:16.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup_: It's OK, iirc the guys in charge at devuan already said they need to set up some new bits to keep maemo repo separate from the automatism that merges everything into devuan, or somesuch. So they just should not take the additional effort to move the fremantle repo to this config, rather they could nuke fremantle repo and set up a new config for the maemo separate repo |
| 22:17.05 | Wizzup_ | OK - I'm waiting for them to tell me 'GO' though |
| 22:17.15 | Wizzup_ | (I have some other work to do for another foss proj anyway) |
| 22:18.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | please let them know you don't want the new repo being called fremantle! |
| 22:19.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | it would be somewhat inpolite to let them set up everything with name "fremantle" and then to ask for a renaming |
| 22:21.10 | Wizzup_ | parazyd: can you do that^ ? |
| 22:21.31 | how900 | what name should it be Wizzup_ ? |
| 22:21.46 | parazyd | Wizzup_: iirc the interface should allow you to change it |
| 22:21.58 | parazyd | how900: o/ |
| 22:22.04 | how900 | parazyd: found your present? |
| 22:22.13 | parazyd | hmm? |
| 22:22.18 | Wizzup_ | parazyd: let me try. |
| 22:22.18 | how900 | on your desk |
| 22:22.31 | parazyd | how900: when? wasn't bridging today |
| 22:22.42 | how900 | yesterday |
| 22:22.51 | parazyd | also wasn't |
| 22:22.52 | parazyd | :) |
| 22:22.55 | parazyd | now i'm curious |
| 22:22.58 | Wizzup_ | DocScrutinizer05: 'maemo' then? |
| 22:22.59 | how900 | yeah I know :P |
| 22:22.59 | Wizzup_ | freemangordon: ^^^ |
| 22:26.46 | Wizzup_ | Just going to rename to 'maemo' |
| 22:26.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo*, yes. I have no strong notion about e.g. maemo5, or even maemo-devuan, or maemo-fremantle or whatever you like. As long as googling for maemo will reveal it |
| 22:27.02 | Wizzup_ | ok |
| 22:27.04 | Wizzup_ | I'll go for maemo |
| 22:27.38 | parazyd | remember to change your git origins :p |
| 22:27.49 | Wizzup_ | yeah, sure :) |
| 22:28.08 | Wizzup_ | https://git.devuan.org/groups/maemo |
| 22:28.38 | parazyd | \o/ |
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| 22:58.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) https://git.devuan.org/groups/neo900 |
| 22:58.57 | Wizzup_ | :) |
| 22:59.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | just on a sidenote, nothing relevant for public in there |
| 23:02.54 | parazyd | soon(TM) :0 |
| 23:03.38 | parazyd | nobody of the chiefs is giving signs of life on #devuan yet... |
| 23:11.34 | Wizzup_ | going to bed |
| 23:15.19 | parazyd | o/ |
| 23:16.09 | sixwheeledbeast | Maemo makes sense to me for the group name. |
| 23:17.11 | parazyd | indeed |
| 23:17.27 | parazyd | and as DocScrutinizer05 says, it will be easier for people to find it by googling |
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| 23:31.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | also fre_E_mantle is a blacklisted term and never must get used seriously in maemo context, for a number of reasons: already too many typos in existing docs that actually meant 'fremantle', and http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Freemantle |
| 23:32.03 | Wizzup_ | lol @ ud |
| 23:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~codenames |
| 23:33.57 | infobot | i guess codenames is buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), Woody=Stable (3.0) Sarge=Testing Unstable=Sid, or see tsc_codenames for those of the technical support crews |
| 23:34.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 23:34.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo codenames is http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames |
| 23:34.27 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 23:34.29 | Wizzup_ | ~maemo-codenames |
| 23:34.34 | Wizzup_ | ~codenames |
| 23:34.34 | infobot | i heard codenames is http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames |
| 23:34.38 | Wizzup_ | :) |
| 23:36.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | notices that PR1.0 to PR1.3.1 all are 'Maemo5.0" - this gives inspiration for thoughts |
| 23:37.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's about Maemo5.2 for example? |
| 23:37.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...unless the wiki is wrong |
| 23:38.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think CSSU might qualify for "Maemo5.1" meanwhile ;-) |
| 23:39.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | with mandatory glibs and kernel update the latest |
| 23:39.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | glibc* |
| 23:42.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw - for the bot lesson of today: |
| 23:42.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~_default codenames |
| 23:42.14 | infobot | i guess codenames is buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), Woody=Stable (3.0) Sarge=Testing Unstable=Sid, or see tsc_codenames for those of the technical support crews |
| 23:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chanset #maemo factoidSearch |
| 23:43.19 | infobot | factoidSearch for #maemo is '$chan _default' |
| 23:44.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chanset #neo900 factoidSearch |
| 23:44.09 | infobot | factoidSearch for #neo900 is '$chan #maemo _default' |
| 23:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chanset #maemo-ssu factoidSearch |
| 23:45.08 | infobot | factoidSearch for #maemo-ssu is '$chan #maemo _default' |
| 23:50.38 | Juesto | wut |
| 23:52.10 | Juesto | and yes fremantle is a australian city |
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