| 00:07.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/01/how-to-remove-pulseaudio-use-alsa-ubuntu-linux/ ? |
| 00:14.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol, no >> Yep, you can forget about this method now either. Removing pulseaudio in ubuntu 12.04 now removes the package ubuntu-desktop so if you try this you're effectively done with ubuntu.<< |
| 00:15.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>It must be said the ubuntu devs are very good in enforcing the use of crap packages.<< |
| 00:18.22 | Juesto | lol |
| 00:18.31 | Juesto | metapackages can remain uninstalled |
| 00:18.41 | Juesto | without uninstalling anything else |
| 00:43.59 | Maxdamantus | installed pulseaudio on his gentoo system to experiment with bluetooth audio (apparently bluez no longer supports alsa) |
| 00:44.11 | Maxdamantus | Nothing really seems to use it atm. |
| 00:44.45 | Maxdamantus | though I had to set some configuration option somewhere so it wouldn't start the PA daemon when something tried to. |
| 00:45.20 | Maxdamantus | Presumably if you have that set and you're not starting the daemon somewhere else, it shouldn't be used. |
| 00:46.11 | Maxdamantus | $ cat ~/.config/pulse/client.conf |
| 00:46.12 | Maxdamantus | autospawn = no |
| 00:47.01 | Maxdamantus | though practically, this is all fairly irrelevant for maemo: everything seems to be fairly tightly integrated with PA there. |
| 00:52.09 | Juesto | i should keep PA installed but tune it in a different way perhaps |
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| 01:12.04 | Juesto | should i configure it to work system-wide instead of a per-use basis? |
| 01:17.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc, I never bothered to learn about PA, particularly since I didn't find any good docs either |
| 01:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, https://freedesktop.org/software/pulseaudio/doxygen/index.html looks pretty pathetic |
| 01:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/multimedia/pulseaudio.html isn't much better, also seems obsolete |
| 01:38.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | clearly poettering |
| 01:38.59 | Juesto | :| |
| 01:40.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know |
| 01:40.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~poettering |
| 01:40.52 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html, or http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html, or see ~systemd cabal |
| 01:51.08 | Juesto | nfc..? |
| 01:51.29 | Juesto | definitely not the proximity tech |
| 01:51.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf nfc |
| 01:52.07 | Juesto | lol |
| 01:52.12 | Juesto | ~wtf |
| 01:52.18 | Juesto | Hmm |
| 01:52.30 | Juesto | awesome |
| 01:52.34 | Juesto | who coded infobot? |
| 01:52.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw here's maybe why systemd has journald >> Maybe we can just add rate-limiting to the interfaces that add messages to the kernel buffers, and work around this problem that way instead while waiting for Gregs fix to percolate? Or are the systemd debug messages going to so many other places too that that wouldn't really help?<< (from http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html) |
| 01:52.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~owner |
| 01:52.45 | infobot | TimRiker is my owner |
| 01:52.45 | Juesto | ah riker |
| 01:52.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~author |
| 01:52.52 | infobot | author is probably root |
| 01:52.57 | Juesto | yeah just noticed in the whois |
| 01:52.59 | Juesto | lawl |
| 01:53.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+help wtf |
| 01:53.17 | Juesto | yeah i already saw the pm |
| 01:53.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh |
| 01:54.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot is awesome |
| 01:55.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and meanwhile adult |
| 01:55.19 | Juesto | ;) |
| 01:55.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka >18 yeras old |
| 01:56.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, not really, only 17y 24w 4d |
| 01:56.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | or that was the day she got her ID card ;-) |
| 01:57.21 | Juesto | Cool |
| 01:57.32 | Juesto | anyways |
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| 02:24.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, 22yo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infobot |
| 02:24.51 | Juesto | :p |
| 02:25.04 | Juesto | my bday is on 26 march 94 |
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| 02:54.17 | Juesto | can maemo work without PA? |
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| 04:51.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really, when you count telephony as maemo core component |
| 05:04.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | when anything sound related (from touchscreen clicks to headset detection to volume control to mafw) in maemo doesn't matter, I guess (the rest of) maemo doesn't care if PA is available or not |
| 05:07.15 | Juesto | Ah |
| 05:07.20 | Juesto | i guess like standard linux |
| 05:07.32 | Juesto | anyways |
| 05:07.34 | Juesto | im stuck :( |
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| 06:20.55 | Juesto | anyone? |
| 06:27.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 06:29.40 | Juesto | idk, im still stuck |
| 06:29.43 | Juesto | and i cant sleep |
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| 06:33.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | what type of answer do you expect to "I'm stuck"? |
| 06:39.10 | Juesto | i don't know |
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| 07:25.00 | KotCzarny | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/chrome-57-permanently-enabled-drm,33527.html |
| 07:25.02 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 07:25.21 | KotCzarny | security holes, ahoy! |
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| 08:38.40 | jonwil | hi |
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| 11:53.41 | Juesto | Wizzup: hey there |
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| 12:00.19 | Wizzup | Juesto: hi! |
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| 12:08.01 | Juesto | Wizzup: so im doing that thing, im currently stuck :) |
| 12:08.16 | Juesto | mameo i386 on devuan |
| 12:08.30 | Wizzup | Juesto: I am working on it, and tomorrow I am hopefully working with parazyd from devuan on getting an devuan image ready |
| 12:08.37 | Juesto | did a documentation |
| 12:08.40 | Juesto | ah nice |
| 12:08.43 | Wizzup | please do link documentatie |
| 12:08.45 | Wizzup | documentation* even |
| 12:09.14 | Juesto | its more like a log actually |
| 12:16.51 | Juesto | Wizzup: https://defuse.ca/b/0DsLIiNA |
| 12:18.13 | Juesto | a bit vague |
| 12:18.19 | Juesto | but well, its a progress thing |
| 12:18.41 | Juesto | im not really a note-taking person |
| 12:19.32 | Wizzup | ack ; thanks |
| 12:19.44 | Wizzup | parazyd: ^ might be useful later on |
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| 12:20.56 | parazyd | indeed, thanks |
| 12:24.23 | Juesto | are my efforts a bit useless/pointless? |
| 12:24.25 | Juesto | i wonder |
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| 12:36.34 | Wizzup | I don't think so. but dont burn out on it :) |
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| 12:49.29 | Juesto | anyway, thats the further i've reached... :P some rule fixing and dependency things should allow me to continue Wizzup |
| 12:50.59 | Juesto | do not worry, i am fine working on it, i have nothing to do lol :) |
| 12:53.45 | Juesto | nothing else to do* |
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| 13:19.18 | TheKit | on Allwinner tablet, does Mali driver provide nodes in /dev/dri/* |
| 13:19.22 | TheKit | *? |
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| 15:00.13 | Sicelo | anyone knows if this still applies: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1486873&postcount=15 |
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| 15:51.52 | Sicelo | i see ... that's for the 'older' widget |
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| 16:07.40 | KotCzarny | hah, submitted oscp to maemo coding regatta |
| 16:08.04 | KotCzarny | even if i won't win anything, maybe i'll get one or two new users |
| 16:08.30 | bencoh | ooh, last day |
| 16:08.36 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 16:08.55 | bencoh | well, I guess I'll never submit my tiny player then :) |
| 16:08.57 | KotCzarny | black horse of the sumisssions :P |
| 16:09.07 | KotCzarny | bencoh: you can still do it ;) |
| 16:09.15 | bencoh | not really no |
| 16:09.27 | KotCzarny | in the beginners maybe? |
| 16:09.43 | bencoh | that wouldn't be fair :) |
| 16:10.35 | KotCzarny | for you or for the others? ;) |
| 16:10.49 | bencoh | >_< |
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| 16:25.27 | freemangordon | Juesto: where are you stuck? |
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| 17:00.32 | bencoh | Sicelo: hmm, I wonder which theme justmemory is using, btw |
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| 18:08.24 | Juesto | freemangordon: i linked the report i made above |
| 18:08.32 | Juesto | sorry for the late answer |
| 18:09.11 | Juesto | i hate myself |
| 18:10.44 | bencoh | ? |
| 18:12.14 | freemangordon | Juesto: osso-af-utils and osso-core-config should be availabe from maemo repos |
| 18:12.29 | Juesto | noarch? |
| 18:12.46 | freemangordon | I'll put them on github when I get a little bit better, I cought some cold :( |
| 18:12.49 | freemangordon | not sure |
| 18:12.50 | Juesto | i've downloaded all the noarch debs :p |
| 18:13.05 | Juesto | remember it has to be i386 if arch specific :) |
| 18:13.10 | freemangordon | sure |
| 18:13.11 | Juesto | Ouch, sorry to hear |
| 18:14.02 | freemangordon | well, it happens, dunno about your place but it was -15 - -20 here till yesterday :) |
| 18:14.19 | freemangordon | and even colder on some places |
| 18:14.29 | Juesto | Yeah, here its summer |
| 18:14.33 | Juesto | Ouch |
| 18:15.01 | freemangordon | actually it was colder in a city ~150 km from where I am than on North Pole about 2 weeks ago :D |
| 18:15.28 | Juesto | lol, osso-af-startup is available in noarch form |
| 18:15.33 | freemangordon | mhm |
| 18:15.43 | freemangordon | those are just some scripts |
| 18:15.58 | Juesto | Ah |
| 18:16.10 | bencoh | freemangordon: were you actually around the north pole 2 weeks ago? |
| 18:16.11 | freemangordon | well, "just" is not exactly correct, the are important |
| 18:16.23 | freemangordon | bencoh: no, I was still in Sofia |
| 18:16.25 | Juesto | utils not available |
| 18:16.47 | freemangordon | Juesto: they should be buildable by the source from maemo |
| 18:16.47 | Juesto | but osso-core-config is |
| 18:17.43 | Juesto | okay |
| 18:18.45 | Juesto | Welp, osso-core-config conflicts with busybox |
| 18:19.29 | freemangordon | Juesto: ah, I remember now |
| 18:19.57 | freemangordon | it is not busybox in general, but the version of busybox in devuan |
| 18:20.01 | Juesto | anyways freemangordon what i should do? since apparently Wiz and parazy are working on the devuan thing |
| 18:20.07 | freemangordon | it needs debian/control file fixed |
| 18:20.09 | Juesto | ugh.... |
| 18:20.38 | Juesto | Should i switch to debian repositories? |
| 18:20.48 | freemangordon | no |
| 18:20.56 | freemangordon | it is the same for debian busybox |
| 18:21.11 | freemangordon | it has maemo version as dependency, which is deprecated long ago |
| 18:21.20 | freemangordon | just fix debian/control and build it |
| 18:21.21 | Juesto | Ahhhh |
| 18:21.33 | Juesto | deb8u1 |
| 18:21.36 | freemangordon | is going afk |
| 18:27.17 | Juesto | anways, feel free to connect via vnc to my vm, pm for details |
| 18:32.15 | Juesto | it sucks when people coincidentally reply when i all asleep :( |
| 18:32.20 | Juesto | fall* |
| 18:33.54 | APic | Epic Fail. |
| 18:35.53 | Juesto | :| |
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| 18:55.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | michael_a380: (search terms) Repair service & chip soldering: https://www.berlin.de/special/shopping/adressen/computer/tmctec-reparaturservice-304e91ea56f80a9c2222dca445702464.html |
| 18:55.54 | aspergerguy | Hi there, got link from WiKi, not using Proxy but user aspergerguy now elicits Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist. when trying to access talk.maemo.org |
| 18:56.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Notebook, Laptop und Netbook Reparatur (alle Schadensarten)<< |
| 18:58.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | aspergerguy: please ping chem|st in here, and/or send a email to techstaff@maemo . org - or don't use Tor (if you do. Yes this sucks, tmo should allow reading even from Tor) resp try another IP if you have an option |
| 18:58.34 | Juesto | seems VPN are blocked? |
| 18:59.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly too. the forum software using some public generic blacklists, we have no control which IP (ranges) end up on those |
| 19:00.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | when a VPN IP range is tagged as spammer sufficiently frequent, it for sure will end on those blacklists |
| 19:01.07 | aspergerguy | Thanks, seems just one of those things so won't be communicating upon TMO for a while! |
| 19:05.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | please send a mail, so the issue can get fixed |
| 19:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik tmo has a whitelist to override the public blacklists |
| 19:06.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if tmo might want to learn SASL |
| 19:08.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea how that would look in practice, but at least for (freenode) IRC it seems to work |
| 19:08.06 | aspergerguy | cheers will send email to tech staff, signing out |
| 19:08.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta! |
| 19:08.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | enjoy yourself |
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| 22:45.34 | NeKit | Juesto, where are you stuck exactly? |
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| 22:49.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui at hildon config whatever |
| 22:49.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | without better problem description it's hard to suggest a solution |
| 22:49.58 | freemangordon | NeKit: seems I broke some backages when I moved stuff from upstart-dev to maemo-system-service-dev |
| 22:50.15 | freemangordon | packages even |
| 22:51.03 | freemangordon | I forgot to fix build-dependencies of 2-3 packages |
| 22:51.33 | freemangordon | which is not surprising, give the number of packages ported so far :) |
| 22:52.43 | freemangordon | Juesto: what about forking those problematic packages on github, fixing debian/control and requesting a merge back? |
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| 23:02.10 | freemangordon | Pali: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1522682&postcount=1398 |
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