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| 00:18.43 | Juesto | for council 2040 ! |
| 00:35.43 | Juesto | anyone around? |
| 00:35.45 | Juesto | meh |
| 00:36.30 | Maxdamantus | *tumbleweed passes* |
| 00:38.07 | Juesto | Should i gather all the noarch maemo packages from n900 repo? |
| 01:00.56 | Michael_a380 | Is replacing N9 'sim card reader' more difficult than 'LG / Samsumg youtube videos' ? |
| 01:01.37 | Michael_a380 | *more difficult than what videos make it out to be? |
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| 02:51.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, "oh ey! eeew!" is a valid replacement for "OK Google" |
| 02:52.39 | Juesto | LOL |
| 02:52.41 | Juesto | :DD |
| 02:52.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | starts to understand why arbitrary TV sound starts that google search shit |
| 02:52.52 | Juesto | ;) |
| 02:53.03 | Juesto | funny google eh |
| 02:55.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Michael_a380: define 'sim card reader' |
| 02:55.25 | Juesto | welp, my computer began having stuck processes |
| 02:55.35 | Juesto | 6 days uptime |
| 02:55.41 | Juesto | my netbok is still alive |
| 02:55.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | stuck processes? |
| 02:55.48 | Juesto | yeah |
| 02:55.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's "stuck"? |
| 02:55.56 | Juesto | kill is useless |
| 02:56.19 | Juesto | DocScrutinizer05: please use Wiktionary |
| 02:56.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | kill -9 should work almost always |
| 02:56.31 | Juesto | windows also |
| 02:56.40 | Juesto | and theres no kill -9... iirc |
| 02:56.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
| 02:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea, except "ask sysinternals" |
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| 02:57.49 | Juesto | Well, no dice with pskill |
| 02:58.00 | Juesto | the kill action succeeds but the process doesnt die |
| 02:58.14 | Juesto | and for worse, i have one svchost.exe stuck |
| 02:58.16 | Michael_a380 | Those naughty metal pins that break. https://youtu.be/a9DG_9OiRdY |
| 02:58.43 | Juesto | ost dns client, NLA and workstation |
| 02:58.48 | Juesto | aka samba client |
| 02:58.58 | Juesto | lost* |
| 02:59.20 | Juesto | funny, i can still kills the process handles |
| 02:59.23 | Juesto | but not the threads |
| 02:59.29 | Juesto | its just stuck |
| 02:59.43 | Juesto | trying to attach a debugger fails |
| 03:01.46 | Michael_a380 | https://youtu.be/a9DG_9OiRdY?t=2m22s |
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| 03:03.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like what's known to linux as a zombie process |
| 03:04.21 | Juesto | i guess |
| 03:04.35 | Juesto | zombie process dont get killed? |
| 03:04.42 | Juesto | cant* |
| 03:06.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...which - after years of oblivion - git re-introduced by systemd lately. Together with break of all system monitor meter values after a few dozen minutes of running ksysguard |
| 03:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | Juesto: nope, they are already dead, that's why they are called zombies. Just the scheduler/kernel can't remove them from process table since they still wait for their SIGCHILD signal getting handled by their parent process |
| 03:07.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | or somesuch |
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| 03:08.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | pre-systemd PID1 inherited zombies and instantly killed / removed them completely. PID1==systemd fails pretty much on that |
| 03:10.09 | Juesto | how i can even close the handles normally? |
| 03:10.28 | Juesto | the most weird part is that theres an unknown SID in security info of the process |
| 03:10.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and with system metering I tend to blame systemd of remounting /proc or something like that |
| 03:11.28 | Maxdamantus | Juesto: a zombie process is a process that hasn't been wait(2)ed on. |
| 03:11.46 | Maxdamantus | Juesto: so the parent doesn't necessarily know that it's exited. |
| 03:11.52 | Juesto | its taking away permissions from administrators and this account shows up with full permissions: Account Unknown(S-1-5-5-0-234896922) |
| 03:12.22 | Juesto | and that sid is absolutely non existant |
| 03:12.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | now THAT sounds rogue - though really NFC about windows here |
| 03:12.38 | Maxdamantus | Juesto: the mechanism is basically there because you can't just poll a pid to see if your child is still running, since pids are reused. |
| 03:13.25 | Maxdamantus | You instead have to keep the pid around until the parent knows it's dead, via some wait(2) call. |
| 03:13.33 | Juesto | okay... |
| 03:13.39 | Juesto | its simply stuck |
| 03:13.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you should start into a known-clean windows (from a CD or somesuch) and run a rootkit/virus scanner |
| 03:13.55 | Juesto | i could indefinitely kill the process and it wont go away |
| 03:14.03 | Maxdamantus | if you have zombies, it might indicate that the parent process is broken. |
| 03:14.04 | Juesto | perhaps |
| 03:14.42 | Maxdamantus | wait, you're talking about zombies in Windows? nvm, I don't know anything about those. |
| 03:14.42 | Juesto | Ah |
| 03:14.52 | Juesto | seems just a restart will solve this |
| 03:15.05 | Juesto | because new processes arent really affected |
| 03:15.27 | Juesto | i guess i should check it more |
| 03:15.36 | Juesto | i did clean up the computer |
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| 04:03.06 | Michael_a380 | After this guy worked on his N9, would it be highly likely that cellular woud be working? https://youtu.be/a9DG_9OiRdY?t=2m22s |
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| 04:58.35 | Michael_a330 | DocScrutinizer05: I was refering to this http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/301795331657 |
| 04:59.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and what's your question? |
| 05:03.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | what that guy does in that video doesn't look professional or savvy |
| 05:05.09 | Michael_a330 | A bit subjective. Is it difficult to install? I don't see any threads about it on TMO. Could success rate be low? |
| 05:06.20 | Michael_a330 | When lining it up, would half a millimeter make any difference? |
| 05:06.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | but in theory there are chances he'll succeed in the end... unless he used up all the (I think missing anyway) flux on the solder points and oxidized the solder by 4 dozen exposures of molten solder to plain air. Or he fired components on bottom side of PCB where he heats up stuiff with the hot air. Or the defect is caused by something totally unrelated to that SIM holder. Or don't know what |
| 05:08.24 | Michael_a330 | hmm. Thanks very much :-) |
| 05:08.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | if the solder was good and a premium class flux applied, and reflow done right, the sim holder should get pulled into position by the surface tension of molten solder |
| 05:09.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | pushing it around a 5 dozen times for sure is not a smart thing to do |
| 05:09.30 | Michael_a330 | Scraches the contacts? |
| 05:09.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, it exposes solder to air |
| 05:09.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's at best totally pointless |
| 05:10.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | worst case oxidized solder |
| 05:10.24 | Juesto | wow |
| 05:10.32 | Juesto | somehow my settings were nulled |
| 05:10.36 | Juesto | of different programs i use |
| 05:10.37 | Juesto | wtf |
| 05:11.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you know, oxidized solder doesn't make any good solder joints |
| 05:11.13 | Michael_a330 | Thanks, will tell this to my uncle (some soldering experience) & see if he's upto it (repair 16gb & 64gb). |
| 05:12.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | to someone experienced in SMT rework, replacing the SIM card holder should be a pretty easy job, with a 100% success rate |
| 05:12.48 | Juesto | uh, sim or sd? |
| 05:12.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever |
| 05:13.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | the holders don't differ much |
| 05:15.54 | Michael_a330 | All the "phone repair shops" say 'no' or offer to be a middle man. Any keywords I should try when looking for a business? |
| 05:16.03 | Michael_a330 | &repair |
| 05:17.22 | Juesto | ~repair |
| 05:17.25 | Juesto | nvm |
| 05:17.30 | Michael_a330 | oh good. SMT = Surface Mount Soldering |
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| 07:13.07 | KotCzarny | who is responsible for repository.maemo.org ? |
| 07:13.23 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/packages/view/oscp/ says Old version cleaned by repository management |
| 07:13.52 | KotCzarny | but http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/o/oscp/ still shows that package version in repo |
| 07:14.25 | KotCzarny | so, could repo maintainer look into the problem of not cleaning old pkg versions? |
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| 07:31.08 | Juesto | hey there |
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| 07:44.50 | bencoh | morning |
| 07:56.47 | juiceme | morgen |
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| 08:04.06 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: what is the problem? |
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| 09:34.52 | jonwil | hi |
| 09:43.40 | Juesto | hi |
| 09:49.15 | bencoh | hmm, looks like some people are really having a go at porting stuff to droid4 |
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| 09:55.14 | enyc | bencoh: coo didn't know that exsisted! |
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| 10:06.27 | NeKit | it's probably the best specifications device you can still find in QWERTY-slider form factor |
| 10:08.21 | bencoh | apart from the closed bootloader, yes. |
| 10:09.17 | bencoh | if only motorola (google) included it in their unlock campaign it would be the de-facto alternative |
| 10:11.12 | jonwil | Based on the Droid name, its safe to assume this phone is a Verizon Wireless phone and Verizon are notorious for locking down the software on their phones. |
| 10:12.28 | NeKit | well, as long as there are hacks to run custom kernel it's better than nothing |
| 10:14.23 | bencoh | maybe |
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| 11:01.15 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: old packages are not removed, even if removal is triggered, and if i see it on my package and have dozen of old files, what about repo as a whole neeedlessly consuming resources |
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| 13:45.17 | buZz | w00000t |
| 13:45.28 | buZz | i just convinced a #reprap user to make me a model of the N900 |
| 13:45.50 | buZz | :P his skill is bigger than mine in modelling, lets hope his model is perfect first try ;) |
| 13:51.57 | NeKit | what do you plan to use it for? |
| 14:05.25 | buZz | i want to make nicer deskstands for N900 |
| 14:05.39 | buZz | more like a 'dock' |
| 14:06.10 | buZz | imho, all the stuff you find on thingiverse.com and other 'physibles' websites, are total shit |
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| 14:24.44 | Vajb | bencoh: KotCzarny: did u eventually found solution for unlock playback clipping? |
| 14:25.55 | Vajb | im having different kind of problem now, which might or might not be related. I have panucci clipping sound every now and then even if my phone just plays audio in my pocket through headphones |
| 14:27.34 | bencoh | Vajb: not sure you actually mean "clipping" |
| 14:27.43 | bencoh | Vajb: stuttering? |
| 14:28.49 | bencoh | and no, adding player to mediasrc didn't really fix the issue in the end |
| 14:29.13 | bencoh | maybe you have both to be in this group and call libplayback (?) |
| 14:29.47 | Vajb | umm hard to explain. It plays and then i hear loud pop |
| 14:29.47 | bencoh | well actually you can always try adding the relevant rule for mplayer since mplayer already calls libplayback |
| 14:29.58 | KotCzarny | bencoh, mediasrc helps, but i suspect something resets settings |
| 14:30.02 | Vajb | it might be bad quality file too |
| 14:30.16 | bencoh | KotCzarny: I suspect restarting ohmd helps |
| 14:30.31 | KotCzarny | bencoh, yes, but its not the solution |
| 14:30.38 | bencoh | of course it is not |
| 14:31.02 | Vajb | hehe do we need alarmed restaring something by minute to fix that.. |
| 14:31.15 | bencoh | no, since mafw works properly ;) |
| 14:31.18 | KotCzarny | vajb: some formats are based on floating numbers, and decoders might not normalize them properly |
| 14:31.30 | bencoh | so maybe mafw does call that libplayback as well |
| 14:31.38 | Vajb | this is mp3 |
| 14:31.59 | KotCzarny | bencoh, so, similar problem as 'keep the buttons alive'? |
| 14:32.16 | KotCzarny | ie. poll something to not let the audio system get reset? |
| 14:32.42 | KotCzarny | would be nice to have a dbus log when tweak stops working |
| 14:32.51 | bencoh | KotCzarny: not necessarily, but dunno |
| 14:33.18 | bencoh | well I couldn't catch any call to mce regarding volume buttons |
| 14:33.23 | bencoh | so, dunno |
| 14:33.29 | bencoh | s/call/method/ |
| 14:33.36 | bencoh | (using mdbus, I mean) |
| 14:34.58 | KotCzarny | that skipping is cpu related |
| 14:38.31 | bencoh | I dont think so |
| 14:38.48 | bencoh | err, which one are you talking about? |
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| 16:58.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | mce, vol buttons? hmm? |
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| 17:22.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((It plays and then i hear loud pop)) doesn't sound [sic] like stuttering either, are you sure it's not a system sound for e.g. ts click event? |
| 17:24.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | stuttering is basically always dropout that doesn't involve loud pops except for the sharp high frequency edge when the sine wave drops to 0 and when it returns to its nominal level |
| 17:24.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | very fast stuttering is perceived as buzz |
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| 17:30.00 | Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: yes im sure, because device is set to silent mode. I think it was bad quality file or some ripping error. |
| 17:31.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | those would be reproducible |
| 17:31.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E listen same song a 2nd time, check if pop is on same time |
| 17:33.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | silent mode only results in the expected behavior when both the audio policy enforced and the apps using that policy/group/whatever behave as specified |
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| 17:34.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you use arbitrary apps they might not obey silent mode. When you set or define new modes, or tweak mode settings of existing modes aka policies, you might find "silent mode" doesn't behave like silent mode anymore. When an app enforces a new policy, you might *think* you have silentmode set but actually device is already in a different mode |
| 17:47.47 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: i am inperceivable |
| 17:47.50 | buZz | ;) |
| 18:24.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, that took me to decode :-D |
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| 21:52.42 | Juesto | hey there |
| 21:57.31 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: nonfarfetched humor is less amusing to me :) |
| 22:00.43 | buZz | hi Juesto |
| 22:01.32 | Juesto | still trying to get it working lol |
| 22:03.05 | buZz | /lc/lc |
| 22:03.07 | buZz | oops |
| 22:03.15 | buZz | getting gentoo running on n900? |
| 22:03.39 | Juesto | buZz: maemo on devuan i386 |
| 22:03.45 | Juesto | dont have a n900 |
| 22:04.01 | buZz | ah :D nice! |
| 22:11.23 | Juesto | still struggling with the build and install |
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| 22:16.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | does chromium 'private / incognito mode' care less about broken SSL certs than normal mode? |
| 22:18.08 | Juesto | DocScrutinizer05: it treats them the same way as normal mode |
| 22:18.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta! |
| 22:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | It's driving me nuts all my browsers refuse to flawlessly open my own LAN's router's WEB interface |
| 22:19.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | "cert broken here!" "cert flawed there!" STFU stupid browsers! |
| 22:20.17 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: your router's SSL uses HSTS? |
| 22:20.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | HSTS? |
| 22:20.36 | buZz | if not, you can just click past the warning |
| 22:20.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | never heard of |
| 22:20.55 | buZz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Strict_Transport_Security |
| 22:20.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I do not want to 'click past the warning' every other day |
| 22:21.02 | buZz | oh ok |
| 22:21.09 | buZz | replace the cert then :P |
| 22:21.17 | Juesto | DocScrutinizer05: incognito works the same in chrome and chromium, the only things it does is that it doesnt save history and downloads history and such |
| 22:21.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I did, the new one is flawed as well |
| 22:21.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's self signed which already seems too much for chromium |
| 22:22.01 | Juesto | DocScrutinizer05: add an exception |
| 22:22.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | how? |
| 22:22.31 | Juesto | hold on |
| 22:23.55 | Juesto | https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/add-permanent-ssl-certificate-exception-chrome-andrey-batyrenko DocScrutinizer05 |
| 22:24.42 | LjL | DocScrutinizer05, are you sure it doesn't just disable certain checks that are only done in non-incognito mode by telling google's server which sites you're visiting, or hashes that could be reversed |
| 22:24.48 | Juesto | actually, thats something chrome used to have |
| 22:25.43 | Juesto | ... |
| 22:26.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: no idea, I have no notion about that |
| 22:26.11 | Juesto | DocScrutinizer05: use firefox or another browser that lets you add an certificate exception |
| 22:26.19 | LjL | DocScrutinizer05, well, Chrome does that sort of thing, and perhaps so does Chromium, unless you disable it |
| 22:26.33 | Juesto | actually, in chromium you can click advanced and continue |
| 22:26.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | FF or other browsers don't work with the crap the router offers as web-UI |
| 22:26.55 | Juesto | chrom* |
| 22:27.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((in chromium you can click advanced and continue)) which is wjhat I have to do every other day |
| 22:27.52 | Juesto | try to get the certificate and import it in https/ssl manage certificates DocScrutinizer05 |
| 22:28.40 | Juesto | i cant even find how to gather the certificate |
| 22:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I did, I never managed to see a "Place all certificates in the following store" |
| 22:28.56 | Juesto | you export it |
| 22:29.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I did |
| 22:29.14 | Juesto | see the page i linked |
| 22:29.37 | Juesto | thats old chrome, new chrome location is manage certificates under https/ssl |
| 22:29.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also did that |
| 22:29.39 | Juesto | welp |
| 22:29.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I did, I never managed to see a "Place all certificates in the following store" |
| 22:30.08 | Juesto | use windows certificate importer? |
| 22:30.46 | Juesto | i mean, just import each ? |
| 22:30.52 | Juesto | or you can select multiple files |
| 22:30.53 | Juesto | idk |
| 22:31.55 | Juesto | how many certificates are you handling ? |
| 22:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? one |
| 22:33.03 | Juesto | why you want a "place all certificates in the following store" then ? |
| 22:33.18 | Juesto | just import it |
| 22:33.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it shows up under "cert authorities" in "manage certificates" after import, and it's marked "not trusted" and I can't change that even when I say "trust for all three options" |
| 22:33.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | (why you want)) because the site you linked to says I need to |
| 22:34.24 | Juesto | the linked page is actually for a older chrom* and for windows |
| 22:34.26 | Juesto | i guess |
| 22:34.54 | Juesto | thing is that chrom uses the OS certificate manager |
| 22:34.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>On the "Certificate Store" screen of the import, choose "Place all certificates in the following store" and browse for "Trusted Root Certification Authorities." Restart Chrome.<< OOHHH, maybe the last 2 words do the trick |
| 22:35.27 | Juesto | ^^ That's for windows and a older version of chrome DocScrutinizer05 |
| 22:36.08 | Juesto | yes find a way to place it in the trusted area of your os certificates storage |
| 22:36.19 | Juesto | apologies for the mess |
| 22:36.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmmm, didn't nag when restarting. Excellent |
| 22:36.58 | Juesto | yeah |
| 22:37.11 | Juesto | good to hear its solved |
| 22:38.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | restart did the trick! FRIGGIN STUPID browser!!! http://wstaw.org/m/2017/01/30/plasma-desktopx17764.png cert trusted now |
| 22:38.45 | Juesto | lawl :D |
| 22:39.31 | Juesto | lol, >japanese goverment< |
| 22:39.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks a lot! |
| 22:39.39 | Juesto | yw |
| 22:39.41 | Juesto | :) |
| 22:41.37 | Juesto | w00t im having less issues building and installing fremantle-gtk2 i386 packages |
| 22:43.27 | Juesto | freemangordon: missing configure for hildon |
| 22:48.26 | Juesto | okay, im stuck |
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| 23:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | gconf? |
| 23:30.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | or /home/user/.config/hildon-desktop/{home.plugins|notifications.db} ? |
| 23:32.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | or /home/user/.local/share/applications/hildon/* |
| 23:32.50 | Juesto | what are you talking about |
| 23:34.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | about missing config for hildon |
| 23:34.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | like /var/lib/gconf/apps/osso/hildon-desktop/%gconf.xml |
| 23:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.12 | Juesto | hm |
| 23:40.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool -R /|grep hildon|wc -l |
| 23:40.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | 151 |
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| 23:44.00 | Juesto | welp, what i should remove if i want sound without pulseaudio? |
| 23:44.04 | Juesto | without breaking applications |
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