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| 00:22.08 | bencoh | pkill9: uucp on n900? <3 |
| 00:23.03 | pkill9 | DocScrutinizer51: i suppose there's nothing wrong with sudo, it's just cleaner if you don't need to use it :) |
| 00:23.08 | bencoh | used to have uucp on his laptop to automagically push mails with a proper local smtp relay |
| 00:23.52 | pkill9 | bencoh: i added myself to uucp group on my laptop to send AT commands to the phone as user |
| 00:24.02 | bencoh | ah |
| 00:24.13 | bencoh | now I'm disappointed :p |
| 00:24.31 | pkill9 | so i thought maybe that was the group i had to add the n900's user to in order to use those AT commands also |
| 00:24.48 | bencoh | has anyone ever worked with libnotify on maemo btw? |
| 00:25.16 | pkill9 | bencoh: aww, why you dissappointed? :P |
| 00:25.42 | bencoh | it seems that I can't update/show existing notifications (they don't show a second time, and don't seem to be updated either) |
| 00:25.51 | bencoh | pkill9: I thought you actually used uucp on n900 |
| 00:26.03 | pkill9 | tbh i don't know why uucp is :P |
| 00:26.13 | bencoh | even more disappointed then :> |
| 00:26.17 | pkill9 | all i know is i had to add myself to that group to send AT commands |
| 00:45.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | find /dev -iname '*usb*' -ls |
| 00:46.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | you'll find uucp on the group |
| 00:46.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | on systems where this works. On mine USB is group dialout |
| 00:47.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | not sure, just a guess |
| 00:49.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | I further *guess* pnatd uses libisi to access network device/socket whateverthename |
| 00:50.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | ifconfig phonet0 |
| 00:52.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | strace pnatd FTW |
| 01:13.49 | LjL | bleh i cannot get u-boot installed |
| 01:39.55 | LjL | so. i removed u-boot-flasher because it just couldn't get updated. i installed u-boot-bootimg and a couple of kernel bootimgs instead. should that work? |
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| 16:58.25 | freemangordon | Pali: hi! whiis this https://github.com/community-ssu/alarmd/commit/4db3ba05921cec6ed1a2f263906f6bde7e156104 needed? |
| 16:58.31 | freemangordon | *why is |
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| 17:11.23 | Pali | freemangordon: hi |
| 17:11.33 | Pali | commit from 3 years ago? |
| 17:11.37 | Pali | haha do not remember :D |
| 17:11.39 | freemangordon | yep |
| 17:11.50 | freemangordon | look at #maemo-ssu |
| 17:12.21 | Pali | ah, now I know :-) |
| 17:12.47 | freemangordon | well, it is good when commits have descriptions :p |
| 17:12.51 | Pali | see commit: https://github.com/community-ssu/alarmd/commit/0655604fa349944b47028299819c7b2efb6fa42d |
| 17:12.59 | Pali | it is in cssu-thumb |
| 17:13.12 | Pali | and I just copy non-thumb part to cssu-devel :P |
| 17:13.17 | freemangordon | ah |
| 17:13.19 | freemangordon | :D |
| 17:14.06 | Pali | testing/scrumdemo.c uses gtk |
| 17:14.19 | freemangordon | ok, this is it |
| 17:14.37 | Pali | also testing/skeleton.c |
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| 17:36.59 | buZz | lol http://neo900.org/stuff/batswap-quick-procedure.gif |
| 17:37.04 | buZz | does this work? :D |
| 17:38.58 | freemangordon | will see, when and if a real device is finally produced |
| 17:41.54 | buZz | :) |
| 17:42.00 | buZz | i ment on n900 ;) |
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| 17:45.04 | buZz | well, i found -some- 3D models of n900 , but they're all commercial ;( |
| 17:45.29 | buZz | @ https://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Index.cfm?keyword=n900 |
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| 18:06.26 | buZz | not so tempted to spend 20 usd just to get a 3d model of ~8 years old without guarantees its even based on measurements :P |
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| 18:19.53 | LjL | buZz, so now i have two working batteries |
| 18:23.36 | buZz | is the new one more decent than you thought yesterday? |
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| 18:47.38 | LjL | buZz, yeah, it stayed alive all night |
| 18:47.52 | LjL | it is probably okayish |
| 18:48.09 | LjL | plus, i had forgotten that the N900 battery juice estimation is wiggly, and likes to go upwards after going downwards just for fun |
| 18:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | err wut? |
| 18:49.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((commit from 3 years ago?)) fixing event IDs? |
| 18:50.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh kernel errata, wtf is that even? |
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| 18:51.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: ((does this work? :D )) sure, this is a live first take video I made |
| 18:51.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | does it work? well, depends on what you expect it to do |
| 18:52.01 | buZz | well i would assume the swapping faster-than-normal would be motivated by keeping-phone-on |
| 18:52.07 | buZz | besides that, i see 0 point to this :P |
| 19:05.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | it is a feasibility study for *how long* you need to 'keep the phone on' without battery attached. Dosn'T mean there's an implemented and tested solution for such keeping the phone on during battery swap, other than the test I did with charger atached which worked to keep phone running for hours without battery |
| 19:07.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | the concept was to have a 'mobile charger USB stick consisting basicaly of a supercap you charge in USB VBUS boost mode so it works as aux power supply, and that speed swap was for estimating how long such a device would need to provide power |
| 19:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I'm pretty proud of this little stunt :-) |
| 19:19.12 | buZz | good :D |
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| 19:32.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 'problem' with battery hotswap is: bq24150 charger chip doesn't start "charging" in a millisecond, so removing the battery when it's not already "charging" will result in blackout of system |
| 19:34.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want to test: make sure battery is sufficiently depleted so it gets charged when you attach charger, and do just that. Then `stop bme`, make sure backlight is on level 5 and always on (to keep system consumption above the level where bq24150 stops charging), then swap battery and `start bme` |
| 19:35.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | no need to hurry, I ean my N900 for several hours without battery this way |
| 19:35.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ran* |
| 19:37.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | just when you're in a region with poor signal (so TX will power up) and maybe - to make matters worse - you're on 2G (which is more 'bursty' on power consumption), odds are your system will brown out when modem starts TX for whatever reason |
| 19:41.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | fun 'experiment': connect phone without battery to Nokia charger. waaaaaait. after quite a long time the steady amber emergency charging LED signal will shine up, indicating that bq24150 tries to "charge" *something*. That something must be CPU idling in bootloader waiting for battery voltage go up to a level where it could actually boot up system. So the whole set is worth nothing for real, but intriguing to watch ;-) |
| 19:42.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | (CPU) euther the main CPU or the modem CPU |
| 19:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | either* |
| 19:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite scary when you think same situation (of "system" eating energy for no visible effect) might happen on a quite depleted battery as well, depleting it even more |
| 19:45.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe not really, since it's most likely the VBUS 5V that 'power on' the main CPU. Those are not existent when inserting depleted battery. Dunno if pressing power button could result in same pathological system state |
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| 22:14.24 | buZz | so eh, do i need to install something to gain USB host? |
| 22:19.32 | buZz | ah 'usb mode' |
| 23:11.55 | Juesto | is there a good RDP client ? |
| 23:12.02 | Juesto | for maemo ofc |
| 23:17.27 | buZz | rdesktop ? |
| 23:17.40 | buZz | its the only one i know (on linux) |
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| 23:50.47 | sixwheeledbeast | Presence? |
