IRC log for #maemo on 20170113

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18:26.30*** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ
18:26.34DocScrutinizer05~l1_2
18:26.34infobotit has been said that l1_2 is http://pdadb.net/download/nokia_n900_rx-51_service_manual_l1-l2_v1_0.pdf
18:27.02DocScrutinizer05Vajb: ^^^
18:30.53DocScrutinizer05picture 6) page 12
18:33.26Vajbokay
18:34.23DocScrutinizer05also carefully follow 1) p.19!
18:34.34DocScrutinizer05oops 2)
18:34.44DocScrutinizer0515Ncm!
18:34.47DocScrutinizer05max
18:35.16DocScrutinizer05use 100% ok screwdriver of fitting size!
18:37.56DocScrutinizer05if you have no idea what's 15Ncm, twist the screwdriver shaft (usually ~10mm diameter) between fingertips of thumb and digit finger, by "rubbing" the fingertips in opposite direction
18:38.26DocScrutinizer05do NOT grab the complete screwdriver and turn it from your wrist
18:41.50DocScrutinizer05and again: using a high quality 100% undamaged pristine screwdriver of matching size is vital
18:42.54DocScrutinizer05once you found your screwdriver slips since it's wrong size or worn out, it's too late and damage to screw head done
18:54.50Vajbyeah i know my way around screw heads :)
18:55.24Vajbi use few hundreds of thousands in a year while work
19:03.11DocScrutinizer05good :-D
19:04.02DocScrutinizer05Vajb: then you're the right person to ask if you consider my instructions appropriate then
19:09.41DocScrutinizer05I always feel it a tricky task to explain technically correct procedure to laymen
19:10.23DocScrutinizer05they come up with interpretations and ideas I never had thought of
19:11.53Vajbwell basically ur instructions were so accurate that even a monkey would have get the job done :D
19:12.08Vajbwell that is if monkey understood speech tho
19:12.20DocScrutinizer05:-)
19:12.22DocScrutinizer05thanks
19:12.41Vajbbut nowadays problems is ill fitting tips
19:12.48DocScrutinizer05yep
19:13.01Vajblike we have ttip15 in use mostly
19:13.19DocScrutinizer05particularly phillips ws spax, though no spax in size similar to PH00 I guess
19:13.25Vajband sometimes they fit snuggly and sometimes not at all or they r loose
19:13.57DocScrutinizer05err s/spax/pozidrive/
19:14.16Vajbwell to be honest i don't use machine screws that much, but screws for structural timber
19:14.23DocScrutinizer05or is there PZ00 ?
19:14.31Vajbwell phillips was shit anyways :)
19:14.54DocScrutinizer05phillips are shit
19:14.58Vajbpozidrive was step to better, but real deal breaker is ttip torx
19:15.33Vajbif u have quality tip and screw...
19:16.22DocScrutinizer05never even heard of ttip torx, is that torx+ ?
19:16.47Vajboh it says ttip right on the tip
19:16.48DocScrutinizer05never found a torx+ driver either
19:17.04Vajbit is torx head with a small hole in the middle
19:17.16DocScrutinizer05I'm not even sure there's a difference between torx and torx+
19:17.23DocScrutinizer05EEEEW those
19:17.53Vajbdon't mix it with those which need hollow tip
19:18.08DocScrutinizer05err, I prolly just did
19:19.12DocScrutinizer05just found TORX-TR
19:19.52DocScrutinizer05TR==tamper resistant
19:20.17Vajbselfdrillingscrew.co.uk/ttap.htm
19:20.52DocScrutinizer05oooh! interesting
19:21.20Vajbsorry, but official brand was ttap not torx at all. Guess i don't know the names of pieces im dealing with daily basis
19:21.59Vajbgonna check at monday if the tip says ttip or ttap...
19:22.00DocScrutinizer05hehe, not unusual
19:22.34Vajbbut those r pretty good if they fit snuggly to each other
19:22.42DocScrutinizer05anyway nice improved plain TORX design, easier insertion but seems to be compatible to plain TX drivers
19:23.19Vajbyes it is, but result is very wobbly and u need two hands for the starters usually
19:23.26DocScrutinizer05>>Authentic TTAP® combined with TORX® and TORX PLUS® Drive Systems<<
19:23.33Vajbwhile with ttap u just need the machine holding hand
19:23.43DocScrutinizer05so what the heck *is* TORX PLUS?
19:24.33Vajbit seems to have different shape of head
19:25.14Vajbjust googled it
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19:25.54Vajbif u thing of torx as sharp ridges on circle. Torx plus is dull ridges on circle
19:27.39DocScrutinizer05eew. iirc the screws in N900 are TX+. not TX
19:35.06DocScrutinizer05daqmn, there's even TORX PLUS MAXX and that looks like Bristol rather than TORX
19:36.37DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2017/01/13/plasma-desktopf17764.png  vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_wrench
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19:39.20Vajbgot disconnected while i looked at the screws, so basically got screwed by screws
19:39.44Vajbeh, anyways they look plain torx to me 2pcs and 4 regular phillips
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19:44.00DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2017/01/13/plasma-desktopb17764.png
19:44.31DocScrutinizer05actually I never faced problems using T6 driver for them
19:45.00DocScrutinizer05despite they clearly say TORX+ 6
19:48.19Vajbhmm it sure does
19:49.09Vajbt1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTtn1-NFS8Y4_VRXHmHRtMk5XNwK5-sZWSTppMTKQwgQ1HJJ0KKI9FIiw
19:49.36Vajbtho it doesn't look like that when looked at bad light in hotel ;)
20:16.55DocScrutinizer05watch out to never try mount the phillips screws to the positions on kbd frame where the T6 should go, or they will come out on the outer surface!
20:17.28DocScrutinizer05seen several devices with nasty 'warts'
20:19.34Vajboh they r that much longer?
20:20.26Vajbi have those service manuals and i actually paged them through, but never actually open any n900
20:21.01Vajbbut it seems that sooner or later i have to take thisone a part because of mechanical wear
20:21.37DocScrutinizer05yes, just so much longer you get a wart on surface
20:21.41Vajbbuttons asdklzx and space have nearly all color gone
20:22.20Vajbseems i have fingers like abrasive paper
20:22.28DocScrutinizer05to swap keymat, you only need to open the two T6 and remove kbd frame
20:22.51Vajboh?
20:22.59DocScrutinizer05the paint on keymat is pathetic
20:23.01Vajbno need to separate screen and body
20:23.09DocScrutinizer05no :-)
20:23.21Vajbcool
20:23.25DocScrutinizer05it's a bit fumbly but feasible
20:23.44Vajbi might just swap mats with that selfrebooting version
20:23.59DocScrutinizer05hm?
20:24.49DocScrutinizer05ooh your other device?
20:24.56DocScrutinizer05yes, sure
20:25.06Vajbi have three n900. My firstone is that constantly rebooting one
20:25.33Vajbthen this in use is my second which is stablest nokia i ever had!
20:25.39DocScrutinizer05bootloop not fixable by reflash?
20:26.11Vajband then i have third in "like a new" condition which came with original packaging!
20:26.26DocScrutinizer05wow, rare finding nowadays
20:26.32Vajbno bootloop. It works but reboots occasionally
20:26.42DocScrutinizer05ouch
20:27.04DocScrutinizer05did you check the dsme error counters?
20:27.05Vajbi have thumb there, but it was like that even with cssu stable
20:27.12Vajbdid
20:27.35Vajbalso sent syslog to pali, but there wasn't much to tell what is wrong
20:27.43Vajbhe suspected hw wear
20:27.50DocScrutinizer05nothing in mtdoops and dsme logs and syslog?
20:28.00Vajbprolly some overclocking or such
20:28.35Vajbi recall seeing many camera-ui restarts atleast
20:28.58Vajbbut it's been awhile i tried dicking in to it
20:29.05DocScrutinizer05sure, the culprit may be whatever, but usually you have a clearly identifiable reboot *reason* whatever triggered that reason
20:29.16Vajbhmm probably digging...
20:30.00DocScrutinizer05does frequent camera-ui / camdriver restarts cause reboot?
20:30.06DocScrutinizer05not sure
20:30.17Vajbi think they do
20:30.34Vajbremoving camera-ui didn't fix it :D
20:30.51Vajbi think that was when i moved to thumb
20:31.06Vajbcoz i had to reflash coz of bootloop
20:31.39Vajbi've been lazy with it to be honest
20:32.31Vajbfor several months i've planned to put identical system on it and test there all new apps or programs before putting them in my daily device
20:33.01DocScrutinizer05FFS. my Iron900 sat on charger but acted_dead
20:33.27Vajbhell i might just as well try notorious apt-get upgrade with devel repo enabled ;)
20:33.36DocScrutinizer05was silly enough to not properly restart it when it went down with batlow the very moment it got plugged to charger
20:34.17Vajboh?
20:35.06Vajbif i need to calibrate battery i usually wait till i see "charge battery" notify and then plug the charger before it shuts down. Is this wrong?
20:35.31KotCzarny~calibrate
20:35.35KotCzarny~calibration
20:35.38KotCzarny~ping
20:35.38infobot1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss
20:35.47KotCzarny~listkeys battery
20:36.36DocScrutinizer05a two days ago I forgot to hook it up to charger when I came home. then I heard the notoriouls BILIBIBboing announcing bat low, I picked it up and plugged it to charger, but very same moment it went down with the final BILIBIB_BLIPBLIPboingBLIBBLIB
20:37.41Vajboh noes i _had_ forgotten that notify sound....
20:37.54DocScrutinizer05AAAAWWWFUL
20:38.09Vajbone of the first things to disable
20:38.15DocScrutinizer05hahahaha
20:38.32DocScrutinizer05yeah I should replace it by something less disgusting
20:38.40DocScrutinizer05too lazy though
20:39.19DocScrutinizer05ugh, now a 4 concurrent rsync processes hog my PC and N900 ;-P
20:39.37Vajbi disabled it completely
20:40.34DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#backup
20:40.36Vajbwell, time to get some sleep bbl
20:41.00DocScrutinizer05>>I probably could handle better the rare case where I'm away for >24h, but it doesn't create too much trouble, just a bit of useless wlan traffic<< yeah HAHAHA
20:41.29DocScrutinizer05Vajb: o/
20:41.30Vajbhehe did u just bit ur own leg there ;)
20:41.55Vajb\o
20:43.54DocScrutinizer05yep, but it already finished, not much to rsync since device was off for a day or two
20:46.28DocScrutinizer05so yeah, camera-ui might reboot
20:46.31DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# grep -R camera-ui /etc
20:46.32DocScrutinizer05/etc/X11/Xsession.post/22camera-ui:/usr/sbin/dsmetool -t /usr/bin/camera-ui
20:46.43DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
20:46.45DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
20:46.46DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
20:48.17DocScrutinizer05sucks big time, since aiui the true culprit is inside DSP code or pther blob
20:48.42DocScrutinizer05culprit for camera-ui segfaults/restarts
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