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| 03:39.15 | Vajb | bencoh: i have pidgin statusmenu plugin so it sits neatly on a tray. Also i installed maemo notification plugin for pidgin and it works too. So far pidgin has been working very well. |
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| 04:01.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | using pidgin for IRC is a special form of love for suffering |
| 04:07.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Leopold von Sacher-Masoch will blame you for topping him |
| 04:09.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLQzaLr1enE |
| 04:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe rather this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdbtZqEyE7U |
| 04:14.11 | Vajb | i never used pidgin for irc. Tho it might work |
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| 05:46.09 | Michael_a380 | What's a good way to access 'surveillance camera, live stream'? I assume it's on a WLAN. |
| 05:49.49 | Michael_a380 | It's a specific camera, facing a 'public car park'. |
| 06:09.20 | Vajb | mplayer? |
| 06:09.52 | Vajb | don't ask me how to ;) |
| 06:28.03 | Michael_a380 | ty :) |
| 06:35.58 | joga | surveillance camera... wlan... public car park, sounds like a cam you'll find in shodan |
| 06:36.43 | joga | fail anyway if it's accessible to you and you didn't install it :p |
| 06:41.16 | Michael_a380 | The vendor would be the landlord (commercial). |
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| 06:44.14 | Michael_a380 | My family was victim to fraud. We lent money to a man for business, car, boat. He then absconded from his residential & commercial residence, and deleted his phone accounts. We've done some court proceedings. The court recognises the debt, but the criminal has made no payments. Debt collection/asset seizure is difficult, where by proving his ownership. After 2 years, we found his new commercial residence. |
| 06:47.11 | joga | this has to do with the camera? |
| 06:49.15 | Michael_a380 | yep, trying to identify the criminal's assets. |
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| 06:57.06 | Michael_a380 | The laws are pathetic, police wont help. Legal advice is to hire a PI, which we can't afford. If he relises we found him (by us surving him court documents), he would dissappear or do "fraudulent conveyance". |
| 06:57.25 | Michael_a380 | *serving |
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| 07:07.31 | joga | Michael_a380, have you taken into account that accessing the camera is (likely to be) illegal for you |
| 07:08.19 | joga | and someone could consider it "hacking" or similar silly stuff even if it didn't have any password and is recording a public place |
| 07:09.31 | joga | also, someone could consider vigilante surveillance of an individual quite creepy |
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| 07:12.08 | joga | that said, if legal advice is "hire a PI", well, I dunno |
| 07:14.29 | Michael_a380 | Things will work out eventually. Just looking to speed up the process. |
| 07:14.45 | joga | to me it sounds weird that by declaring you're a PI by profession you get the right to stalk people, or maybe they just do office work or google around, dunno. I've never met a person in that line of work and here it kinda sounds like something out of a movie and not a real job |
| 07:15.38 | joga | though now that I think of it, a rich friend of mine had some family detective at his parents' place... he actually had an office at their (huge) house |
| 07:15.44 | joga | maybe that qualifies |
| 07:15.45 | joga | :) |
| 07:16.44 | Michael_a380 | Yeah, doughy ideas collate when dealing with a dodgy criminal :/ |
| 07:19.05 | Michael_a380 | The camera is overseeing a 'permanently parked vehicle' that he promised (in writing) to give us. "Better keep an eye on it, make sure it's safe". |
| 07:23.12 | Michael_a380 | If I went to the "commercial site", would it be easy to get a "wlan ip" to put into shodan? |
| 07:23.57 | Michael_a380 | *public ip |
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| 07:33.35 | joga | Michael_a380, well, depends. those things (ip cams) are so awful security-wise on average that even if it was in a protected wifi, it could well have been pwned in couple of minutes if it had internet access at any point |
| 07:34.15 | joga | but unless it has a public ip address, it's likely not found by shodan just like that |
| 07:34.51 | joga | (not that I know much about how shodan works) |
| 07:35.12 | Michael_a380 | thanks |
| 07:35.14 | joga | I do know about ip cams though and how awful they are, and how awfully they're handled and installed :p |
| 07:36.36 | Michael_a380 | We've installed some sort of CCTV system and the usability is pathetic |
| 07:37.19 | Michael_a380 | I'll try if mplayer can be used with our system, thanks |
| 07:38.31 | joga | vlc and mplayer/mpv etc. should be able to play rtsp streams, you can perhaps find out the right url for the camera with google |
| 07:38.53 | joga | or from the web admin thing... |
| 07:41.08 | Michael_a380 | cheers |
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| 10:02.00 | Oksanaa | Any idea how telepathy-idle IRC client splits long messages? What's the character limit? |
| 10:02.57 | bencoh | standard irc character limit I'd say |
| 10:03.09 | bencoh | (which is ... 256, or 512, or some sensible limit like that) |
| 10:03.36 | KotCzarny | irc server sends the msg limit on connect |
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| 10:12.43 | Oksanaa | Is there a limit on message length? Like, no IRC server is allowed go give limit below 256 or above 512? Something like that? And does the limit apply to message length only, or together with sender's name? |
| 10:13.02 | KotCzarny | i would think there isnt such thing specified in the rfc |
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| 10:39.26 | Vajb | does newest omp have feature to stable audio levels os different files? |
| 10:39.40 | Vajb | stabilize... |
| 10:39.47 | KotCzarny | you mean 'normalize' |
| 10:41.05 | kerio | >implying irc networks care about "rfc" |
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| 10:43.03 | Vajb | KotCzarny: i mean that they sound about the same level nevertheless the quality |
| 10:43.35 | KotCzarny | you cant fix bad bitrate encoding |
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| 11:03.16 | Vajb | well, atleast ipod can ;) |
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| 14:06.22 | Michael_a330 | N9, worth buying? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/291998141306 |
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| 14:37.12 | Wizzup | 5$ srsly |
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| 15:24.52 | KotCzarny | Michael_a330: beware fakes |
| 15:25.13 | KotCzarny | and remember, if its too good to be true, its a fake |
| 15:26.42 | Vajb | hmm i wonder if my trackpoint covers r fake. Just made an order of 10pcs for 1£ |
| 15:27.28 | KotCzarny | vajb, doesnt matter, but get concave ones |
| 15:27.35 | KotCzarny | much better than domes |
| 15:27.44 | Vajb | well too late now |
| 15:27.53 | KotCzarny | for my old tp560z i even made one from pencil rubbe |
| 15:27.54 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 15:27.56 | KotCzarny | *rubber |
| 15:28.07 | Vajb | hehe good innovation |
| 15:28.39 | KotCzarny | it works fine, because all you need is to assure its not slipping, and be able to fit snuggly |
| 15:30.47 | KotCzarny | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thinkpad_trackpoint_caps.JPG |
| 15:30.52 | KotCzarny | its the second from the left |
| 15:31.06 | KotCzarny | imo the best one |
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| 16:09.59 | Vajb | yes i saw atleast three different versions |
| 16:21.45 | bencoh | Vajb: what about adding contacts in telegram btw? |
| 16:21.52 | bencoh | in pidgin* |
| 16:25.12 | Vajb | bencoh: well i didn't add any i let them add me :) |
| 16:25.29 | Vajb | but if ur friend creates username i suppose it should work too |
| 16:25.45 | Vajb | or use desktop version and add them there |
| 16:26.25 | bencoh | I'm not sure it would show in pidgin then |
| 16:26.38 | bencoh | I dont remember how I managed to add a contact, I think I fiddled with config file |
| 16:29.06 | Vajb | i hope it'll get better when they update it ;) |
| 16:31.24 | bencoh | afaiu they can't get much better regarding that specific issue |
| 16:32.03 | Vajb | so it is more like pidgins feature |
| 16:32.09 | bencoh | because of https://github.com/majn/telegram-purple/issues/187 |
| 16:32.42 | bencoh | and regarding history / conversations, did you manage to have history include pictures? |
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| 16:35.06 | Vajb | i think so |
| 16:35.21 | Vajb | and if not they r shown in telegram folder |
| 16:35.48 | bencoh | yeah |
| 16:38.50 | Vajb | it seems they r not shown in logs |
| 16:38.54 | Vajb | but smileys r |
| 16:38.59 | Vajb | :D |
| 16:39.02 | bencoh | smileys are inband :) |
| 16:39.15 | bencoh | (they're "just" text) |
| 16:39.55 | bencoh | but ... okay, means you got the same results ... thx :) |
| 16:40.35 | Vajb | sure i didn't do any magic just installed it and copied to right folder since install put it in / |
| 16:42.04 | bencoh | I wonder if patching the pidgin history plugin to get it to display images would be easy |
| 16:42.08 | bencoh | maybe it would |
| 16:42.30 | Vajb | no idea |
| 16:42.43 | bencoh | and make pidgin a bit more maemo-friendly (or small screen friendly), actually |
| 16:43.07 | Vajb | but it is irrelevant to me think i'll put pidgin folder to tracker so it will show pics in gallery |
| 16:43.26 | bencoh | right, but having it show in conversations as well would be nice |
| 16:43.31 | bencoh | (maybe) |
| 16:44.01 | Vajb | well true, but if u truly value ur friends u remember all conversations haha |
| 16:44.11 | bencoh | krkr |
| 16:44.32 | bencoh | tbh I hardly use it since pretty much no one around is on telegram |
| 16:45.08 | Vajb | i use it weekly |
| 16:46.39 | Vajb | im in one group and have 3 friends using it |
| 16:46.53 | Vajb | well one is more than friend, but anyways |
| 16:48.08 | Vajb | guess we r early adapters here |
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| 17:05.20 | NeKit | would it in theory work if Hildon-Desktop is forced to render directly (though Android's hwcomposer or surfaceflinger) instead of rendering to Xorg? |
| 17:07.10 | bencoh | hildon-desktop isn't the only graphic component there - basically every graphical app would need to do the same |
| 17:08.07 | bencoh | but I guess that could be achieved somehow, either by using gtk3+wayland and the same thing they used to have wayland run on top of android |
| 17:08.13 | NeKit | does every graphical app involve OpenGL or just 2D pixmaps? |
| 17:08.36 | bencoh | most maemo apps are qt or gtk2 |
| 17:08.41 | bencoh | qt4* or gtk2 |
| 17:08.51 | bencoh | some are sdl/opengl-based |
| 17:09.08 | bencoh | a tiny few of them are x11/xft based |
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| 17:11.30 | freemangordon | NeKit: h-d is using clutter, so it is up to it to clutter, not h-d |
| 17:11.49 | NeKit | and clutter is then using cogl |
| 17:11.56 | freemangordon | yes |
| 17:12.10 | freemangordon | but, clutter has more drivers |
| 17:12.18 | freemangordon | or "backends" |
| 17:12.31 | bencoh | does it have a wayland backend? |
| 17:12.35 | freemangordon | yes |
| 17:12.39 | freemangordon | iirc |
| 17:12.46 | bencoh | then I guess the nemo-like route might be do-able |
| 17:13.02 | freemangordon | and what about the apps? |
| 17:13.17 | bencoh | gtk3 apps would work, same for qt5 |
| 17:13.21 | bencoh | qt4/gtk2, dunno ... |
| 17:13.21 | freemangordon | bencoh: also, afaik wayland does not support atoms |
| 17:13.31 | bencoh | atoms? intel atoms? |
| 17:13.35 | freemangordon | X atoms |
| 17:13.38 | bencoh | aah |
| 17:13.40 | bencoh | yeah |
| 17:13.47 | freemangordon | and they are used all over the place |
| 17:14.02 | freemangordon | portrait mode, z-ordeting, etc |
| 17:14.12 | freemangordon | *z-ordering |
| 17:14.34 | bencoh | hmm, actually hildon-desktop (at least mb2, the wm) probably wouldn't exist as of now in a wayland context :D |
| 17:14.56 | freemangordon | ? |
| 17:15.14 | bencoh | if hildon-desktop refers to the window manager, then it already doesn't fit wayland |
| 17:15.33 | bencoh | wayland needs a compositor, which isn't exactly the same thing |
| 17:15.34 | NeKit | not sure how much of hack is it, but until proper Wayland support, what if clutter/cogl renders Xorg windows directly to screen through EGL instead of Xorg |
| 17:15.35 | freemangordon | wayland has it's own WM? |
| 17:15.59 | freemangordon | NeKit: isn;t that called "compositing"? |
| 17:16.02 | bencoh | but afaiu WMs as we know it don't really exist |
| 17:17.32 | NeKit | yes, but basically it would be compositor => hwcomposer instead of compositor => Xorg => fbdev |
| 17:18.45 | freemangordon | NeKit: afaik, right now clutter/cogl draw through E/GL, not through Xorg. Might be wrong though |
| 17:19.51 | freemangordon | i.e. - WM translates window's contents to textures which are then drawn using GL |
| 17:21.18 | NeKit | cogl has support for multiple window systems, but cogl-winsys-egl-x11 requires Xorg support from OpenGL driver |
| 17:21.33 | freemangordon | ah, I see, yes |
| 18:13.43 | ravelo | sicelo-, thanks for info about extkbd package. I will try it. |
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