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| 06:37.06 | Wizzup | frewrt multiarch, seems not so hard/doable |
| 06:37.28 | Wizzup | freemangordon: wrt multiarch, seems not so hard/doable |
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| 06:54.54 | Oksanaa | Is it only me, or is it difficult to login to maemo.org? |
| 07:04.30 | Oksanaa | Kisstester : urllib2.URLError: <urlopen error (8, 'EOF occurred in violation of protocol')> |
| 07:05.17 | Oksanaa | Testing the tester ;-) |
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| 07:34.53 | jonwil | hi |
| 07:48.35 | KotCzarny | testing the kisser? |
| 07:48.50 | KotCzarny | kissing the tester? |
| 08:08.57 | Oksanaa | Lawl... Testing the KISStester . Seriously, does it log you into maemo.org, or does it give the same error? |
| 08:09.14 | bencoh | kisstester? what's that? |
| 08:10.01 | Oksanaa | App. Written in Python. For sending feedback for extras-testing |
| 08:13.30 | Oksanaa | Like, instead of firing up web browser and wrestling with tiny links, there is a dedicated app with touch-friendly buttons |
| 08:14.26 | Oksanaa | Not like I can use it much when it refuses to log me in because of some EOF |
| 08:15.51 | Oksanaa | And : Helium requires some Qt Components or something. .. Without specifying them properly in deb as a dependency |
| 08:17.33 | KotCzarny | maybe other side isnt implemented yet |
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| 08:21.38 | Oksanaa | Well, what other side? When I try to open Helium, it gives error about lacking module com.nokia.meego or whatever. No idea which package is responsible for it, but if it exists, it should be specified as dependency. |
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| 08:31.31 | Oksanaa | Could it be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/965371 ? |
| 08:33.58 | bencoh | com.nokia.meego maybe qt-meego-components (or something like that) |
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| 14:33.34 | Vajb | KotCzarny: was it compliance id u were asking? |
| 14:33.45 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 14:33.58 | KotCzarny | it's string like this: Type xxxx-yyy |
| 14:36.11 | Vajb | 4243-W2A |
| 14:40.25 | KotCzarny | http://pastebin.com/raw/fzTWCdLq |
| 14:41.59 | KotCzarny | so i guess only new info is that it should have one ram slot free and has f5521gw gsm card |
| 14:42.33 | Vajb | yes 3g was mentioned in auction post |
| 14:42.36 | KotCzarny | unless it was changed by the user in the meantime, then auction description is overriding it |
| 14:43.10 | Vajb | is there three ram slots or two? |
| 14:43.16 | KotCzarny | should be two |
| 14:43.32 | Vajb | because i think it has 2x4gb now |
| 14:43.44 | KotCzarny | then someone added one 4gb stick |
| 14:44.57 | Vajb | it was for sale with only 4gb and i said to seller "shame that it didn't have 8gb, then i would pay what u asked" and he responded "well actuially it had 8gb when i was using it, i can put it back |
| 14:45.16 | KotCzarny | he he |
| 14:45.33 | Vajb | hence i assume 2x4 |
| 14:46.19 | KotCzarny | but looking at pictures, one slot is under kb and other is on the bottom |
| 14:49.34 | Vajb | outside by look it seems to be very good condition. No cracks or dents. Didn't start it up yet, i'll let it warm up a bit first |
| 14:49.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:50.11 | Vajb | spill resistant kbrd is cool |
| 14:50.14 | KotCzarny | those things often were sitting in various offices |
| 14:50.21 | KotCzarny | so usually not much wear |
| 14:50.47 | Vajb | yeah |
| 14:51.09 | Vajb | btw does multitouch mean that touchpad recognizes multiple touches? |
| 14:51.16 | KotCzarny | most likely |
| 14:51.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 14:51.30 | KotCzarny | im not a fan of touchpad, prefer the clit-stick |
| 14:51.31 | Vajb | like one can pinch to zoom out etc |
| 14:51.32 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 14:51.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 14:51.41 | Vajb | cool |
| 14:51.59 | Vajb | seems like im getting to this decade with laptops |
| 14:52.04 | KotCzarny | for typing/mouse actions, clit stick is much faster |
| 14:52.20 | KotCzarny | ie. it doesnt require your hand to move from kb |
| 14:52.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | you still need OS support or multitouch is just like a 12 button mouse: cool but pointless |
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| 14:52.45 | Vajb | clitstick? That red tap inbetween g,h and b? |
| 14:52.49 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 14:53.09 | Vajb | never seen any :D |
| 14:53.15 | mueddib | hello all, I install to nginx, mysql and php but nginx is not support to PHP. I don't understand to problem |
| 14:53.16 | KotCzarny | proper name is trackpoint |
| 14:53.34 | KotCzarny | mueddib: are you sure its the right channel? |
| 14:53.37 | Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: planning to keep included win7 for starters atleast and i suppose it supports it |
| 14:53.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea |
| 14:53.57 | mueddib | yep, this channel is maemo right? |
| 14:54.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt it very much |
| 14:54.05 | mueddib | I test to N900 |
| 14:54.07 | mueddib | :) |
| 14:54.19 | KotCzarny | mueddib: not many people install servers on n900 |
| 14:54.27 | mueddib | $ uname -ar |
| 14:54.27 | mueddib | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 14:54.29 | KotCzarny | mostly because its used behind nat (gsm) |
| 14:54.54 | KotCzarny | as for lack of php support, refer to the packages authors what did they compiled them with |
| 14:55.11 | mueddib | KotCzarny, hm I understand thank you N900 support to mysql nginx and php but nginx not support to PHP I don't find to FPM |
| 14:55.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | FPM? |
| 14:55.40 | mueddib | fastcgi package not here to repos |
| 14:55.41 | KotCzarny | ie. if you installed them from extras repository, its up to the person that created such package |
| 14:56.07 | KotCzarny | if you compiled it yourself, you should refer to nginx docs how to add php support |
| 14:56.20 | mueddib | KotCzarny okay sir thank you. |
| 14:56.42 | mueddib | I read to documents, Nginx need to fastcgi or php-fpm but I don't find to php-fpm |
| 14:57.16 | mueddib | I'm googled and not found solutions |
| 14:57.18 | mueddib | :) |
| 14:57.50 | KotCzarny | find some installation instructions how to make them work together maybe or what are the dependencies |
| 14:58.56 | bencoh | mueddib: nginx wiki has documentation on how to add a fcgi upstream |
| 14:59.25 | bencoh | as for php, you'll probably need a fcgi wrapper |
| 14:59.35 | bencoh | like fastcgi, or php-fcgi |
| 15:00.03 | bencoh | I guess php-fpm wasn't included in vanilla php / default build options when php was built for maemo |
| 15:00.39 | mueddib | bencoh, fcgi not there to repos, are you sugest to install fcgi source code? |
| 15:02.13 | bencoh | mueddib: I suggest you first learn how to configure/run nginx+php on a standard debian |
| 15:02.20 | bencoh | then compare with what is already available on maemo |
| 15:03.12 | mueddib | bencoh, Debian Nginx need to fastcgi or php-fpm |
| 15:03.45 | bencoh | well then I suggest you have a look at debian fastcgi package and port it to maemo, if it's not available |
| 15:04.17 | mueddib | bencoh hmm I understand but debian arm package php-fpm install to n900? |
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| 16:20.43 | NeKit | I wonder, is N900 currently still worth to get? |
| 16:21.07 | KotCzarny | depends on your use case/needs |
| 16:21.31 | KotCzarny | if you want browser capable of handling lots of pics or js, no |
| 16:21.46 | KotCzarny | if you want social media integration, no |
| 16:21.58 | KotCzarny | if you want tiny linux machine with phone function, yes |
| 16:21.59 | NeKit | ok, thanks |
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| 16:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | NeKit: that depends on whether you like it or not, no? |
| 16:53.14 | NeKit | just curious to see Fremantle, but I fear that I won't be able to use it much |
| 16:53.56 | KotCzarny | go to used phones store and check if they have it? |
| 16:53.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 is *your* phone, you have complete control over every single aspect how it works. With e.g. android, you basically 'lease' a phone from the manufacturer and you may *use* it, in the ways the manufacturer and app providers make available to you |
| 16:56.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not particularly powerful, so 'modern' websites bloated with jumping gnomes and blonking signs are likely to not perform well on it. Also many apps nowadays are closed blobs and their developers do a huge amount of effort to keep it like that, means you e.g. won't find a working whatsapp for a device as open as N900 since whatsapp doesn't provide a client and nobody can reverse engineer their closed shit |
| 16:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 16:59.32 | NeKit | not WhatsApp user, thankfully, but Telegram could be useful, for which there is CLI-only(?) client avaiable |
| 17:04.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know, since I don't use any of those "social media" stuff. Generally I'd not rely on it being stable - we had a working whatsapp client a while ago, then whatsapp invested some more effort in actively stopping any such 3rd party clients |
| 17:05.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | please always keep in mind those services are focused on making money. According to the age old saying: "either you're the customer or you are the *product*" |
| 17:05.48 | L29Ah | telegram doesn't make any money afaik |
| 17:05.49 | L29Ah | (yet) |
| 17:05.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing ever is for free, even death cost your life |
| 17:07.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever those service providers need to do to monetize their service, they for sure will, sooner or later |
| 17:08.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and there's ZILCH you can do about it, except outright refusing to use such "free leete stuff" |
| 17:09.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | at google you pay with *all* your data. at whatsapp you at least pay with getting shanghaied by Suckerberg |
| 17:09.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | you *always* pay |
| 17:10.12 | NeKit | <s>I'd prefer to pay with my data than with my money</s> |
| 17:10.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's mindboggling how many people are just not aware of this very trivial fact of life |
| 17:11.58 | NeKit | anyway, I saw latest GTK3 porting effort. In theory, it could be used with libhybris to run on modern hardware, as long as there is a way to get OpenGL in Xorg? |
| 17:13.07 | KotCzarny | nekit, it requires clutter, not particular opengl(es) version |
| 17:16.51 | bencoh | NeKit: telegram more or less works with pidgin btw |
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| 17:18.09 | bencoh | regarding gtk3 port it might work with libhybris indeed |
| 17:19.14 | bencoh | it could actually be an interesting way of getting a new user/dev base |
| 17:19.36 | bencoh | since it would target more devices. just like jolla did with sailfishos |
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| 18:24.17 | Vajb | im happy with my telegram integration to pidgin now |
| 18:24.42 | Vajb | and pidgin integrates nicely to maemo too |
| 18:24.52 | Vajb | thanks to sicelo- :) |
| 18:29.16 | NeKit | is clutter generally used by Hildon compositor or by most of apps too? |
| 18:29.31 | KotCzarny | by hildon desktop |
| 19:30.15 | ravelo | I am looking to use a decent bluetooth keyboard on N900 |
| 19:30.34 | ravelo | any recommendations on that? |
| 19:31.02 | ravelo | I tried to use 1byone foldable keyboard, but did not get it to work on N900 yet |
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| 19:34.29 | L29Ah | twiddler? |
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| 20:14.47 | ravelo | Maybe the Microsoft universal keyboard? |
| 20:15.12 | ravelo | I am actually looking for standard layout |
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| 20:25.06 | sicelo- | ravelo: did you install extkbd package? makes life easy |
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| 21:22.21 | sicelo- | awesome. it workks really good, yes |
| 21:22.46 | sicelo- | ah, echan. sorry |
| 21:46.03 | bencoh | Vajb: what do you use for pidgin integration? |
| 21:46.20 | bencoh | and how well does telegram work with pidgin, btw? |
| 21:49.41 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I had a keysonic keyboard paired to my N900 for a while, worked ok with extkbd |
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| 23:31.17 | Oksanaa | Question : I copy el-v1.db to elsewhere, ask sqlite to dump all of it into read.sql file, and then cat read.sql | grep unique quit message of somebody on IRC channel. No results. Where are join and quit events stored, then? |
| 23:32.53 | Oksanaa | Because it's annoying to see how sometimes telepathy-idle, instead of just stating number of participants, goes "X has joined\n6 has joined\nZ has joined" and so on, lots of space-taking lines for all members of a channel. |
| 23:33.14 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Maybe there not stored |
| 23:35.49 | Oksanaa | They are not stored?.. Good question. Entirely possible. Yes, looks like it. Not ideal, but something cannot need a repair if it doesn't exist. |
| 23:36.39 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I have a pidgin plugin to hide all that rubbish on desktop. |
| 23:36.55 | Oksanaa | How are they displayed, then? Because closing-opening the window each time scrolling becomes difficult is not ideal... |
| 23:46.22 | MoeIcenowy | oh it's now possible to use telegram purple plugin on N900? |
| 23:46.32 | MoeIcenowy | glad to here that |
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