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| 00:06.23 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: would you mean tmux+weechat+glowing-bear? |
| 00:07.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea, never heard of the latter |
| 00:10.12 | xes | https://github.com/glowing-bear/glowing-bear |
| 00:11.39 | xes | git clone it in a subfolder of your apache rootdir and you are done |
| 00:47.24 | buZz | hmmf oneclick install of CSSU seems to not work here, lets reflash from 0 :P |
| 01:01.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 01:01.23 | buZz | fresh n900 flash (lazy flasher) and oneclick testing cssu |
| 01:01.28 | buZz | going for attempt #2 |
| 01:01.29 | buZz | :P |
| 01:01.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | result? |
| 01:01.58 | buZz | on attempt #1 i ended up with constant portrait mode, a 'zoomed out screen' and no working application launcher |
| 01:02.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh! |
| 01:02.25 | buZz | hm? |
| 01:02.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like major crash |
| 01:02.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | gigantic failure |
| 01:02.53 | buZz | oh ok, thought you ment there was an obvious error :P |
| 01:03.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, absolutely non-obvious and scary |
| 01:04.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | please make sure to let device finish optimization after full-flash |
| 01:04.08 | buZz | ah its fine, its just a fresh flash |
| 01:04.48 | buZz | how could i be sure? |
| 01:04.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, wait 5 minutes ? |
| 01:05.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | after first reboot |
| 01:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | also make sure to do a full-reflash, not only rootfs |
| 01:08.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a tad tricky to actually know if immediately after full-reflash the device already booted and started optimization, or it's still waiting for reboot that it often needs to get triggered manually after flash |
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| 01:08.35 | fishbulb | is there a tool for transferring contacts numbers and calendar dates to android? |
| 01:08.43 | fishbulb | from n900 |
| 01:08.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
| 01:08.48 | fishbulb | my last one has died |
| 01:09.25 | fishbulb | and texts |
| 01:09.48 | fishbulb | I assume that stuff can't be stored on the simcard |
| 01:09.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, can't |
| 01:10.13 | fishbulb | how can I transfer it to an android phone? |
| 01:12.01 | fishbulb | it's 2017 and I just got an android handset, and have never tried to transfer the texts numbers and whatnot |
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| 01:19.08 | fishbulb | is there a way to do this? |
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| 01:20.30 | buZz | yay, attempt #2 worked |
| 01:22.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: great |
| 01:23.23 | fishbulb | is there a way to transfer stuff from n900 to an android handset |
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| 01:24.00 | buZz | fishbulb: only way i could think off , is syncing to a pc program first |
| 01:24.09 | buZz | then sync that to which ever cloud you want to use |
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| 01:24.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | your data is in backup, this could be another possible approach |
| 01:24.47 | fishbulb | which backup |
| 01:25.02 | fishbulb | I don't have any program to sync to |
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| 01:25.10 | fishbulb | does one exist? |
| 01:25.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | contacts can also get exported as vcard |
| 01:26.44 | fishbulb | what's that |
| 01:27.14 | fishbulb | can it be converted to a format some android thing can use/ |
| 01:28.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | in backup, files are in e.g. YourBackupDir/comm_and_cal.zip/uzip://Root/home/user/.calendar/calendardb.backup |
| 01:28.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody knows android in here |
| 01:28.57 | fishbulb | nobody uses a phone from this decade? |
| 01:29.02 | fishbulb | ever? |
| 01:29.07 | fishbulb | and you can speak for everyone? |
| 01:29.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | $YourBackupDir is the name you gave to the backup in backup app |
| 01:29.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | *plonk* |
| 01:30.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can speak for the #channel |
| 01:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | please /join #android and ask there, about any android related questions |
| 01:32.16 | fishbulb | that is so incredibly pedantic |
| 01:32.26 | buZz | i know android |
| 01:32.45 | buZz | android usually doesnt store contacts or txt msgs on the device |
| 01:32.48 | buZz | its in the cloud man |
| 01:33.00 | buZz | dependancy on external servers, thats whats android about |
| 01:33.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm incredibly pedantic when it's about incredibly arrogant and insulting users |
| 01:34.03 | fishbulb | what is android? |
| 01:34.13 | fishbulb | phones that weren't made in 2009 don't exist |
| 01:34.36 | fishbulb | buZz, the only thing that HAS to be linked to the phone is a gmail address |
| 01:34.43 | buZz | eh sure |
| 01:34.48 | buZz | either way, most storage on a android is in sqlite dbs |
| 01:34.51 | fishbulb | but how to get the contacts and conversations and stuff from the n900 to something else |
| 01:35.01 | buZz | 02:24:16 < DocScrutinizer05> your data is in backup, this could be another possible approach |
| 01:35.04 | buZz | 02:28:15 < DocScrutinizer05> in backup, files are in e.g. YourBackupDir/comm_and_cal.zip/uzip://Root/home/user/.calendar/calendardb.backup |
| 01:35.16 | fishbulb | what format is that though |
| 01:35.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is indeed a sql dump |
| 01:35.48 | fishbulb | are they the same format? |
| 01:35.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 01:36.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course not |
| 01:40.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | comm_and_cal.zip/uzip://Root/var/lib/gconf/apps/activesync/ActiveSyncAccount1 whatever that is |
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| 01:43.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | comm_and_cal.zip/uzip://Root/home/user/.osso-abook/ prolly is supposed to have the contacts |
| 01:44.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually nope, it's in comm_and_cal.zip/uzip://Root/home/user/.osso-abook-backup/db/* |
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| 01:46.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | grep BEGIN:VCARD -A5 Root/home/user/.osso-abook-backup/db/addressbook.db |
| 01:48.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/24965102 |
| 01:49.54 | fishbulb | that's what came out? |
| 01:50.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | VCARD format is the one most likely understood by any phone |
| 01:50.28 | fishbulb | and that's the format from grep begin etc? |
| 01:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 01:50.49 | fishbulb | this should go in a wiki |
| 01:55.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/53775961 |
| 01:58.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/42363782 |
| 02:00.06 | fishbulb | I don't get it, did that work as a vcard format? |
| 02:09.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lmgtfy vcard |
| 02:09.28 | infobot | ACTION thinks you should look here: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vcard |
| 02:11.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCard#vCard_3.0 |
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| 02:14.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply open slider, click on desktop background, type a letter on kbd -> "Contacts" opens. Click menu, click button "export" |
| 02:15.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | follow the instructions as displayed on screen, after that |
| 02:15.07 | fishbulb | I did not know that |
| 02:15.10 | fishbulb | that is a good feature |
| 02:18.48 | fishbulb | is there a common format for sms "conversations" ? |
| 02:22.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, those are in comm_and_cal.zip/uzip://Root/home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/backup.tgz/utar://el-v1.db |
| 02:23.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | format of el-v1.db is largely unknown, afaik |
| 02:24.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway looks like a SQL dump in backup |
| 02:24.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/54273619 |
| 02:25.28 | fishbulb | so what's the difference between sqlite dbs and "dump" |
| 02:26.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | INSERT INTO "Events" VALUES(14,3,7,1279364669,1279364615,1279364669,1,0,0,0,'ring/tel/ring','<SelfHandle>','o2 Team',NULL,'Lieber o2 Kunde, Ihr/e o2 Internet Pack L wird am 18.07.2010 automa tisch für Sie verlängert, sofern Ihr Guthaben ausreichend ist.','o2 Team',0,0); |
| 02:26.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | is dump, while sqlite binary is cluttered with gibberish |
| 02:27.17 | fishbulb | gibberish that a phone can make sense of apparently? |
| 02:27.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it has the app knowing the database structure, then yes |
| 02:28.06 | fishbulb | buZz said android used it |
| 02:28.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that doesn't mean a thing, like "device XYZ uses Windows" |
| 02:28.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | sqlite is a database |
| 02:29.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | a variant of generic SQL database engines |
| 02:30.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/25858557 |
| 02:31.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | more complete: http://paste.opensuse.org/18792784 |
| 02:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventlogger (el) [version 1: -v1] is a virtual service created by several apps in cooperation, on maemo. It stores SMS, calls etc in that sqlite database el-v1.db |
| 02:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never heard of a export feature for SMS |
| 02:38.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway running "sqlite3 <el-v1db" (the untarred unzipped dump file from backup: comm_and_cal.zip/uzip://Root/home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/backup.tgz/utar://el-v1.db ) would recreate the complete database on any device that knows SQL(ite). Then you _could_ try to make sense of the database, by running SQL queries against it |
| 02:41.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | the start of the dump gives a faint idea what the db looks like and what it does: http://paste.opensuse.org/68119884 |
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| 02:46.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | way down it creates a table for calls: |
| 02:46.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | CREATE TABLE Remotes (local_uid TEXT NOT NULL,remote_uid TEXT NOT NULL,remote_name TEXT,abook_uid TEXT,UNIQUE(local_uid,remote_uid)); |
| 02:46.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | INSERT INTO "Remotes" VALUES('ring/tel/ring','+491779911','Voicemail','osso-abook-vmbx'); |
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| 02:47.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and VoIP calls: INSERT INTO "Remotes" VALUES('sofiasip/sip/_XxxXXxxx_40sipgate_XXxxXX','sip:0xxxxxxxxx@sipgate.de','sip:0911xxxxx@sipgate.de',NULL); |
| 02:49.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually multople linked tables |
| 02:50.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | CREATE TABLE Events (id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY,service_id INTEGER NOT NULL,event_type_id INTEGER NOT NULL,storage_time INTEGER NOT NULL,start_time INTEGER NOT NULL,end_time INTEGER,is_read INTE GER DEFAULT 0,flags INTEGER DEFAULT 0,bytes_sent INTEGER DEFAULT 0,bytes_received INTEGER DEFAULT 0,local_uid TEXT,local_name TEXT,remote_uid TEXT,channel TEXT,free_text TEXT,group_uid TEXT, outgoing BOOL DEFAULT 0, mc_profile BOOL DEFAULT 0); |
| 02:50.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | INSERT INTO "Events" VALUES(1,1,1,1277619432,1277619432,0,0,0,0,0,'ring/tel/ring',NULL,'+491779911',NULL,NULL,NULL,1,0); |
| 02:52.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | end time in "events" table in el-v1.db is only correctly filled with values when you added the storwed procedures as of http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/eventsdb_calllog_triggers.sh |
| 02:57.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | pukes in direction "Events" vs "events" |
| 02:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | are SQL table names case sensitive? |
| 03:00.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ARRRGH!!!! http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6134006/are-table-names-in-mysql-case-sensitive |
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| 03:05.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia devels, once more. They really never will get their shit sorted with case sensitivity |
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| 03:09.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | camera-ui anybody? where storing photos broke thanks to maemo creating an uppercase dir but trying to write to a lowercase dir, which *only* works on DOS filesystems, but for sure not on ext3 or somesuch |
| 03:11.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | you still see the fallout of devels learning "computer" on MS crap every day, when you e.g. look at *.jpg vs *.JPG |
| 03:13.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't get me started about 8.3 |
| 03:16.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8.3_filename |
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| 06:04.49 | fishbulb | what is wrong with you |
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| 10:43.10 | buZz | is that official nokia case any good? |
| 10:43.13 | buZz | the CP-321 |
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| 10:44.23 | KotCzarny | its a case, not even a security latch |
| 10:44.43 | KotCzarny | only positive factor it's the size of n900 |
| 10:47.03 | buZz | hmhm |
| 10:47.16 | KotCzarny | so it might be a tight fit |
| 10:47.20 | buZz | any other recommendations? its mostly just for storage, doesnt have to be able to use it from inside |
| 10:47.48 | KotCzarny | what is the use case? |
| 10:47.59 | buZz | 'join pile of other maemo devices' |
| 10:48.00 | buZz | :P |
| 10:48.14 | KotCzarny | not enough data :P |
| 10:49.00 | buZz | :P |
| 10:49.21 | buZz | i have the 770, n800, n810 and n900 , just as collectables |
| 10:49.28 | buZz | all have original nokia cases |
| 10:49.35 | KotCzarny | then surely go for it |
| 10:49.40 | KotCzarny | as its original nokia case |
| 10:49.41 | buZz | ^_^ |
| 10:50.37 | buZz | its the only nokia case for n900, right? |
| 10:53.54 | buZz | oh, CP-408 is also one .. hmm |
| 10:54.10 | KotCzarny | grab both |
| 10:54.12 | KotCzarny | they are cheap |
| 10:54.31 | buZz | cant find the cp-408 for sale on ebay |
| 10:55.10 | KotCzarny | check amazon |
| 11:08.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | cp.408 looks weird - how would you slide it open without the display latching up in the brackets? |
| 11:08.49 | KotCzarny | you dont, you scrap the paint eventually |
| 11:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | CP-321 looks similarly inconvenient in a different way |
| 11:09.06 | KotCzarny | its mostly for hwkb-less usage |
| 11:14.52 | Michael_a380 | I use a Lowepro. It's a camera case, but still a nice fit. |
| 11:16.00 | Michael_a380 | yeah, fiddling with a zip all the time |
| 11:18.10 | buZz | CP-321 is ideal i think |
| 11:18.16 | buZz | matches the case i have for N810 |
| 11:23.34 | Michael_a380 | Going to soon have a look at this: http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/nerang/phone-accessories/bulk-lot-of-nokia-phone-accessories/1121434332 |
| 11:24.48 | Michael_a380 | Anything paticular to look out for (valuable), that would make it worthwhile? |
| 11:25.11 | buZz | new batteries :) |
| 11:25.56 | KotCzarny | usb/dcin adapters, >1A chargers |
| 11:26.12 | Michael_a380 | It would be all 'old stock', shelf life may not be good for batteries |
| 11:26.20 | KotCzarny | original car charger > any chinese noname crap |
| 11:26.49 | KotCzarny | and other car/bike/case accessories you would use |
| 11:29.29 | fishbulb | how do you get vcard 3.0 to a csv format android can use |
| 11:29.56 | fishbulb | because if you export contacts from n900 it ends up as hundreds of individual .vcf files |
| 11:30.13 | KotCzarny | fishbulb: use bluetooth to transfer all contacts to android phone |
| 11:30.46 | KotCzarny | or just cat *.vcf >../big.vcf and try to load it on android |
| 11:31.25 | fishbulb | use bluetooth? |
| 11:31.44 | fishbulb | I don't think I've ever successfully transferred a file with bluetooth on anything |
| 11:32.00 | KotCzarny | not file. 'share contacts' |
| 11:32.15 | fishbulb | with what? |
| 11:32.57 | Michael_a380 | Do you have 2 phones connected with bluetooth? |
| 11:35.30 | Michael_a380 | * to each other. |
| 11:36.26 | fishbulb | now I do, surprisingly |
| 11:38.01 | fishbulb | I tried to share the contacts and it failed immediately |
| 11:40.16 | Michael_a380 | If my brother finds his Android, I may be able to try it. |
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| 11:45.11 | fishbulb | I can pair them but how do I share contacts |
| 11:45.23 | fishbulb | I've tried all the sync and transfer methods |
| 11:45.25 | fishbulb | none worked |
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| 11:46.52 | fishbulb | it won't share contacts |
| 11:47.34 | Michael_a380 | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66166 |
| 11:49.20 | fishbulb | thanks but that's 5 years ago |
| 11:49.42 | fishbulb | android/google has changed a little bit |
| 11:49.54 | fishbulb | 7 years ago I mean |
| 11:52.44 | Michael_a380 | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95456 |
| 11:53.20 | Michael_a380 | It's been done before (2015) |
| 11:54.01 | Michael_a380 | At least you know, it should be possible |
| 11:54.31 | fishbulb | what is "contacts app" |
| 11:54.57 | fishbulb | that post just says "can you share them via bluetooth with contacts app" |
| 11:55.04 | fishbulb | then "yes" |
| 11:55.08 | fishbulb | contacts app on what |
| 11:55.58 | fishbulb | I've got them paired |
| 11:56.17 | fishbulb | tried "sharing contacts" with the transfer and sync thing in the n900 menu |
| 11:56.22 | fishbulb | the transfer fails all the time |
| 11:56.39 | fishbulb | n900 settings menu |
| 12:04.31 | Michael_a380 | So, you went through "Export contacts wizard"? |
| 12:04.35 | Michael_a380 | on n900 |
| 12:05.10 | fishbulb | yeah it doesn't transfer anything |
| 12:05.21 | fishbulb | the phones are both paired, a galaxy s5 and n900 |
| 12:06.09 | fishbulb | I exported the contacts to the sd card, and it's hundreds of individual .vcf files |
| 12:06.27 | fishbulb | exported them as vcard 3.0 |
| 12:07.48 | Michael_a380 | I only get up to "Export contacts 4/5: Folder and location". The Android doesn't show up for selecting location, for me ATM |
| 12:11.27 | KotCzarny | save to file, then send the file? |
| 12:11.47 | fishbulb | it saves to individual vcard files only |
| 12:12.14 | KotCzarny | did you try the 'cat' trick ? |
| 12:12.20 | fishbulb | which cat trick |
| 12:12.32 | KotCzarny | cat *.vcf > ../big.vcf |
| 12:25.48 | fishbulb | it doesn't work |
| 12:27.41 | Michael_a380 | how many contacts to transfer? |
| 12:27.54 | fishbulb | too many to do each one |
| 12:28.40 | fishbulb | a shitload, I've had an n900 forever, this is the first time I've had to transfer any contacts to any other device |
| 12:29.07 | fishbulb | having a phone is critical, unfortunately I need to use android for a while |
| 12:32.20 | Michael_a380 | Maybe a bug developed some time. Do you have or know of anyone else with an n900? It may work with a "middle man" (just a guess). |
| 12:32.49 | fishbulb | your random vague guessing isn't really helping |
| 12:33.23 | fishbulb | there are 3 n900's here, is there something specific you're suggesting |
| 12:36.10 | Michael_a380 | I would try syncing with another n900 that is closest to original stock. Then see if that phone can sync with the android. |
| 12:37.39 | Michael_a380 | Or first see if the other 2 n900_s can sync contacts with the android |
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| 13:30.20 | ceene | i was able once to synchronize google contacts even with picture |
| 13:30.26 | ceene | but i don't remember how i did it |
| 13:30.28 | ceene | :( |
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| 14:07.31 | fishbulb | I cut the simcard down |
| 14:08.11 | fishbulb | but the n900 doesn't save contacts to sim anyway does it? |
| 14:08.43 | buZz | no phone since the 90s doest that |
| 14:08.44 | buZz | -t |
| 14:08.49 | buZz | it wont fit |
| 14:09.11 | fishbulb | I dunno, it was on some instructions I found |
| 14:10.25 | bencoh | s/90s/smartphones/ |
| 14:10.55 | bencoh | even 2000s phones still did, some by default, some by choice |
| 14:21.24 | buZz | anyone wants a N95 ? :P |
| 14:24.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks, not anymore |
| 14:24.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | though... it's a cool device |
| 14:24.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | got a N97 mini for the ECI tests |
| 14:24.48 | buZz | nice |
| 14:24.59 | buZz | i just want a N9 , sender misunderstood ;) |
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| 14:47.17 | fishbulb | what do you need an n9 for? |
| 14:48.06 | fishbulb | I have one and I really wish it worked |
| 14:49.14 | fishbulb | there is a chicken/egg recursive loop problem of it needing something before it can install something else |
| 15:10.48 | fishbulb | is an n9 useful to anyone |
| 15:11.48 | fishbulb | I'll trade 2 n900 and one N9 for that motherboard that's coming out |
| 15:25.00 | fishbulb | I'll trade 3 n900 handsets and one n9 for anything |
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| 16:56.48 | Vajb | KotCzarny: integrated |
| 17:08.35 | KotCzarny | that also can be good |
| 17:08.55 | KotCzarny | ie. you wont worry about graphics chip desoldering |
| 17:09.04 | KotCzarny | amd running much cooler |
| 17:09.06 | KotCzarny | *and |
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| 17:37.06 | Vajb | yup and pefromance wise i looked that it discrete card had only 20 points advantage |
| 17:37.23 | KotCzarny | depends on discrete card |
| 17:37.56 | KotCzarny | on my t500, ati 3650 is ~2x faster than integrated |
| 17:37.58 | Vajb | well the one and only listed in t520 part in wikipedia |
| 17:38.31 | Vajb | nvidia nvs 4500 if recall it right |
| 17:38.31 | KotCzarny | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T520 |
| 17:38.39 | KotCzarny | this is the site you should bookmark |
| 17:38.46 | KotCzarny | once you start yourself on thinkpads |
| 17:39.48 | Vajb | 4200 actually |
| 17:40.15 | Vajb | yes it was different wiki but information was accurate enough :) |
| 17:41.14 | KotCzarny | yeah, they look very close in benchmarks |
| 17:42.02 | Vajb | bookmarked btw |
| 17:42.16 | KotCzarny | but for 3d dedicated 1gb is nice |
| 17:43.16 | Vajb | sure thing, but i patted myself on back by thinking that if play it'll be something like BG1 |
| 17:43.25 | Vajb | if i* |
| 17:43.54 | KotCzarny | how do you like it so far? was the upgrade noticeable? |
| 17:43.59 | KotCzarny | would you do it again? |
| 17:44.30 | Vajb | well didn't get it yet actually, but bothered seller with one last detail ;) |
| 17:44.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:45.04 | KotCzarny | get the Type string |
| 17:45.08 | Vajb | he is waiting the transaction to be visible in bank and then sending |
| 17:45.09 | KotCzarny | ie. Type xxxx-yyy |
| 17:45.26 | KotCzarny | it will describe config in detail |
| 17:49.16 | Vajb | i already know most of the details, but i'll let u know when i see it |
| 17:49.45 | Vajb | i did quick comparision in cpuboss and amazingly it should have more bunch than my gf's old laptop |
| 17:49.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:50.05 | Vajb | didn't tell that to her because she paid more ;) |
| 17:50.26 | KotCzarny | that's why i will never buy new laptop |
| 17:50.26 | Vajb | hmm punch actually |
| 17:50.44 | KotCzarny | brunch |
| 17:50.50 | Vajb | think i wont either |
| 17:51.53 | KotCzarny | silicon gets old, but those old devices would probably work longer than currently sold ones |
| 17:53.23 | Vajb | well if they r anything similiar to modern phones they will |
| 17:53.50 | Vajb | my friends complain that their 2yo old phones became too slow and unresponsive that they had to bought new |
| 17:54.32 | Vajb | cool that site has maintenance manual |
| 17:54.49 | KotCzarny | yes, it has plenty of model specific hacks too |
| 18:09.14 | Vajb | i see that there is 8 different cpu's for this model. If i happen to find say quad core which is mentioned in list. I suppose it just fits and works? |
| 18:09.27 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 18:09.45 | KotCzarny | in t series cpu is socketed |
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| 18:19.44 | KotCzarny | you can browse thinkpad forums to see what hackers managed to cram into that model |
| 18:20.49 | KotCzarny | (forum.thinkpads.com) |
| 18:32.26 | Vajb | oh i see. So far i saw just a little difference between cpu's |
| 18:32.55 | KotCzarny | well, some folks were upgrading to quad cores, higher freqs etc |
| 18:33.13 | KotCzarny | if chip has same TDP, it should be safe upgrade |
| 18:34.07 | Vajb | tdp? |
| 18:34.10 | KotCzarny | but since you wouldnt be needing it for serious work even dual core will suffice |
| 18:34.15 | KotCzarny | thermal design power |
| 18:34.30 | KotCzarny | 'how much heat this thingie will radiate' |
| 18:34.38 | Vajb | ah ok |
| 18:35.57 | Vajb | hmm i just realised that there has been full hd version also. I had that on my features whished list, but i dropped it since no offers of such devices |
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| 18:41.20 | KotCzarny | if its 1600x900 its also very nice |
| 18:42.18 | Vajb | yup. I suppose it scales down well |
| 18:43.03 | KotCzarny | that's what i have now 1680x1050 |
| 18:43.13 | KotCzarny | well, a bit more ;) |
| 18:43.38 | Vajb | yeah slightly |
| 18:47.00 | Vajb | but comparing that to my current laptop makes me happy or atleast wishfull |
| 18:47.17 | Vajb | this has celeron 530 |
| 18:50.46 | KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=18168 |
| 18:50.48 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 18:52.33 | KotCzarny | they will get shot 'because it's chinese'. which is a pity if they really want to make good phones |
| 18:53.03 | KotCzarny | though since its only chinese market right now, who knows |
| 18:54.01 | Vajb | that description kinda sounded like the description of my friends new chinese phone... |
| 18:54.48 | KotCzarny | 4gb of ram, 64gb of storage, dual amplifier, snapdragon 430, x6 lte. |
| 18:55.01 | KotCzarny | so much specs wasted on android, eh |
| 18:55.46 | KotCzarny | quick, someone email them about alternative os! just say that we would need open drivers and they have a winner ;) |
| 18:56.27 | Vajb | www.vernee.cc |
| 18:56.59 | Vajb | and it didn't say hwkbd |
| 18:57.18 | KotCzarny | yeah. so another toy |
| 18:57.39 | KotCzarny | and that helio looks like iphone knock off |
| 18:58.23 | Vajb | well to me they all look like each other |
| 18:58.50 | Vajb | too thin to hold properly too wide to fit in jeans pocket |
| 18:59.59 | KotCzarny | too shiny to do anything serious? |
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| 19:00.33 | Vajb | impossible to do anything serious |
| 19:01.51 | Vajb | well other than use facebook and instagram |
| 19:02.08 | KotCzarny | and looking at pr0^h^h^hscience |
| 19:02.20 | Vajb | plus whatsap |
| 19:02.45 | Vajb | maybe compete who has fastest cpu |
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| 19:36.18 | kerio | why would i want 32GB of ROM |
| 19:36.35 | kerio | has android redefined "ROM" to mean "internal writeable storage" |
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| 19:43.25 | sixwheeledbeast^ | You wouldn't, but Android may need it. |
| 19:44.55 | KotCzarny | rom as in flashable immutable image |
| 19:45.08 | KotCzarny | what happens then isnt intereesting |
| 19:45.25 | kerio | my only practical experience with android is an android x86 VM running on a server |
| 19:45.29 | kerio | to use whatsapp desktop |
| 19:45.40 | kerio | (works brilliantly, btw) |
| 19:46.00 | KotCzarny | google plans to make it global |
| 19:46.08 | KotCzarny | ie. all data/things on their servers |
| 19:46.19 | KotCzarny | its just that wolrd isnt ready |
| 19:46.34 | KotCzarny | you cant even store user's data outside native country |
| 19:46.42 | kerio | nah, whatsapp has actual security |
| 19:46.53 | kerio | it's not a google product |
| 19:47.20 | kerio | i mean, not thanks to whatsapp or facebook |
| 19:47.32 | kerio | they just grabbed moxie and told him to turn whatsapp into signal |
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| 19:57.43 | sixwheeledbeast^ | "actual security" whatsapp was known to have poor encryption, hence all the broken third party apps over the years. |
| 20:00.06 | kerio | yeah |
| 20:00.19 | kerio | that's why they grabbed moxie and told him "do your thing" |
| 20:00.24 | kerio | and then he did the thing |
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| 20:39.42 | KotCzarny | https://cyph.ws |
| 20:39.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:50.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I think the odd definition of "ROM" is older than Android |
| 20:50.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it's indeed exactly< what you suspect |
| 20:51.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | "ROM" means basically what we call rootfs |
| 20:51.25 | kerio | but it's not read only :< |
| 20:51.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | or "combined" |
| 20:51.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:51.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | idiots |
| 20:52.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if and when they will make a hacked "ROM" for my S60 |
| 20:53.25 | KotCzarny | kerio, you cant mount fiasco image, you have to rebuild |
| 20:53.30 | KotCzarny | in that sense its ro |
| 20:53.35 | kerio | huh |
| 20:53.46 | kerio | no, that android phone has a 32gb emmc |
| 20:53.52 | kerio | aiui |
| 20:54.15 | KotCzarny | anyway, 'rom' is a buzzword |
| 20:54.26 | buZz | oh? |
| 20:54.27 | KotCzarny | and it doesnt mean anything it was meant originally |
| 20:54.40 | buZz | flashes to KotCzarny |
| 20:54.44 | KotCzarny | yawns |
| 20:55.06 | KotCzarny | sleepy time, nite folks! |
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