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| 07:32.17 | MoeIcenowy | freemangordon: it still needs a full MCE... |
| 07:41.28 | freemangordon | MoeIcenowy: so? |
| 07:41.49 | freemangordon | https://github.com/fremantle-gtk3/mce |
| 07:42.41 | MoeIcenowy | freemangordon: hd-render-manager.c:3409:44: error: âHdRenderManagerPrivate {aka struct _HdRenderManagerPrivate}â has no member named âzoomedâ; did you mean âhomeâ? |
| 07:43.23 | freemangordon | MoeIcenowy: are you sure you pulled latest? |
| 07:43.39 | MoeIcenowy | I just recloned several minutes ago |
| 07:43.52 | freemangordon | as I did clone && build just yesterday on the tablet |
| 07:45.36 | bencoh | you build on the tablet? |
| 07:46.24 | freemangordon | yes, why not? |
| 07:46.29 | MoeIcenowy | I'm now building on PC |
| 07:47.20 | MoeIcenowy | I commented the error line out, and build passed |
| 07:47.32 | bencoh | just asking :). as long as someone else still tries crossbuilding it that's fine I guess :) |
| 07:48.38 | freemangordon | MoeIcenowy: hmm, I see, I guess you didn't disable glib cast checks etc |
| 07:49.00 | MoeIcenowy | I think it's not about cast check... |
| 07:49.13 | MoeIcenowy | the struct just has no such member... |
| 07:49.23 | freemangordon | whatever it is to disable g_return_if_fail |
| 07:49.38 | freemangordon | or rather to make it nop |
| 07:49.54 | freemangordon | but yes, there is no such member |
| 07:50.01 | freemangordon | this is a bug in CSSU h-d |
| 07:50.27 | MoeIcenowy | maybe it should be ok to just remove this line? |
| 07:51.24 | freemangordon | maybe, but it needs to be verified why it is there at all |
| 07:51.45 | freemangordon | anyway, me gtg |
| 07:51.49 | freemangordon | bye |
| 07:52.12 | MoeIcenowy | bye |
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| 09:38.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://kb.netgear.com/000036386/CVE-2016-582384 |
| 09:38.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | "recommendation: don't use those devices until the vulnerability got fixed" |
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| 09:42.32 | sixwheeledbeast | Amusing how it seems to affect only there top line routers |
| 09:42.53 | KotCzarny | different dev teams? |
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| 09:58.36 | jonwil | Thankfully the Netgear router sitting next to me isn't on the list of vulnerable devices :) |
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| 10:10.07 | jonwil | Sad to hear that such a prominent member of our community has passed away... |
| 10:10.21 | KotCzarny | huh? |
| 10:11.07 | jonwil | I got an email from the community list via chemist saying that Gido Griese aka Win7Mac passed away |
| 10:11.17 | KotCzarny | o.o |
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| 10:12.35 | ndnihil | maemo.org main site down? |
| 10:12.37 | jonwil | https://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=19732545 seems to have the info from what I can see |
| 10:12.51 | jonwil | or the front page of http://maemo.org/ |
| 10:12.52 | ndnihil | wiki is up, but main site not connecting |
| 10:12.54 | jonwil | which seems to be working for me |
| 10:12.58 | ndnihil | hrm |
| 10:13.19 | jonwil | anyhow, its sad that such a prominent community member passed away |
| 10:13.28 | ndnihil | oh shit, who? |
| 10:13.51 | jonwil | Gido Griese aka Win7Mac |
| 10:14.42 | ndnihil | sounds familiar, didn't he work on the moko stuff too? |
| 10:15.00 | jonwil | I dont know, I just know what the info says |
| 10:15.26 | bencoh | jonwil: "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms. " |
| 10:15.32 | bencoh | thread disappeared? |
| 10:15.35 | ndnihil | same result for your link here |
| 10:15.46 | jonwil | try htttp://maemo.org/ |
| 10:15.49 | jonwil | which does work |
| 10:15.52 | jonwil | for me at least |
| 10:16.11 | ndnihil | I've tried from here, from my dallas VPS, and my netherlands VPS |
| 10:16.12 | bencoh | ah, it's now a TMO notice |
| 10:16.14 | ndnihil | down everywhere |
| 10:16.18 | ndnihil | for me |
| 10:16.27 | jonwil | yeah its now a notice on tmo |
| 10:16.49 | jonwil | For those who cant see the info, this pastebin |
| 10:16.51 | jonwil | http://pastebin.com/hKi91Cuu |
| 10:17.01 | jonwil | is a copy+paste of the text from the front page of maemo.org |
| 10:18.21 | bencoh | ndnihil: how down? |
| 10:18.27 | ndnihil | times out |
| 10:18.31 | bencoh | hmm |
| 10:18.38 | ndnihil | front page, and downloads |
| 10:18.42 | ndnihil | was hoping to revive my n900 |
| 10:18.48 | KotCzarny | maemo.org works for me |
| 10:18.58 | ndnihil | the gta02 isn't playing too well with this sim |
| 10:19.14 | bencoh | you might be in some spam/banlist, although I think you should be getting some error message in that case |
| 10:19.16 | KotCzarny | and yes, there is a big notice on the front |
| 10:19.23 | bencoh | something wrong with your ISP maybe |
| 10:19.47 | ndnihil | did you miss the part where I tried my home connection, and proxies via Dallas and Netherlands? |
| 10:19.53 | ndnihil | three points of down |
| 10:19.55 | bencoh | I guess I did |
| 10:20.01 | bencoh | strange then |
| 10:20.05 | bencoh | got a traceroute? |
| 10:20.06 | ndnihil | talk.maemo works, wiki.maemo works |
| 10:20.14 | bencoh | ah |
| 10:20.21 | ndnihil | maemo.org does not |
| 10:20.30 | bencoh | well I dunno why, then |
| 10:20.35 | ndnihil | yeah, a bit odd |
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| 10:21.15 | KotCzarny | 10 gw.maemo.org (213.128.137.1) 63.844 ms 67.726 ms 67.733 ms |
| 10:21.15 | KotCzarny | 11 www.maemo.org (213.128.137.20) 67.560 ms 68.173 ms 69.615 ms |
| 10:21.16 | KotCzarny | drat. |
| 10:21.20 | ndnihil | hrm |
| 10:21.22 | KotCzarny | stupid secondary paste buffer |
| 10:21.28 | KotCzarny | sorry about that |
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| 10:21.48 | ndnihil | might be shitting itself due to adblock stuff |
| 10:21.52 | ndnihil | works fine on clean browser |
| 10:23.15 | bencoh | ah |
| 10:23.56 | ndnihil | however, tablets-dev.nokia.com has no DNS |
| 10:24.04 | KotCzarny | nokia is dead |
| 10:24.09 | KotCzarny | ~tabletsdev |
| 10:24.09 | infobot | somebody said tabletsdev was http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads, or http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ |
| 10:24.10 | ndnihil | and that's where all the pointers to download firmware are aimed |
| 10:24.14 | KotCzarny | see last link |
| 10:24.30 | KotCzarny | and for a flashing script (that automatically gets files too): |
| 10:24.32 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 10:24.32 | infobot | maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing |
| 10:27.01 | vboxuserx | do somebody knows what's the last maemo firmware for nokia n900? |
| 10:27.09 | KotCzarny | 1.3.1 |
| 10:27.19 | KotCzarny | but use cssu to get updates |
| 10:32.40 | vboxuserx | thank you |
| 11:04.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.3.1 |
| 11:04.01 | infobot | from memory, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/, or http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/ |
| 11:04.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lazyflashing |
| 11:04.10 | infobot | lazyflashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach |
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| 11:37.13 | ndnihil | looks like these mirrors are dropping left and right |
| 11:39.36 | KotCzarny | not really, you should only need muarf |
| 11:41.45 | ndnihil | sure, it's the one that works |
| 11:48.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos |
| 11:48.39 | infobot | methinks jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ |
| 11:54.14 | ndnihil | well that makes things nice and easy |
| 11:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope so :-) |
| 11:56.31 | ndnihil | sooo |
| 11:56.38 | ndnihil | can I buy a neo900 yet? :) |
| 11:57.07 | Maxdamantus | opens trenchcoat. |
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| 11:57.56 | ndnihil | heh, all that and I'm already running the latest |
| 11:58.07 | ndnihil | no updates |
| 11:58.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ndnihil: you can order a Neo900, but it's still under development and shipping will be later |
| 11:59.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | note that we produce to order and at the time production starts no late orders will be possible for that batch anymore, obviously |
| 11:59.47 | ndnihil | I'm going to need to upgrade well before then unfortunately |
| 11:59.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's highly unclear if there ever will be a second batch getting built |
| 12:00.00 | ndnihil | still using a droid4 as my daily |
| 12:00.16 | ndnihil | just bought a used one for $20 so I'd have spares |
| 12:00.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I started to occasionally play with an adroid device. It's plain unbearable |
| 12:01.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | YMMV |
| 12:01.08 | ndnihil | it's not too bad after you de-google it |
| 12:01.36 | ndnihil | but I need a physical keyboard |
| 12:01.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | YEAH! |
| 12:01.48 | ndnihil | and almost nothing current has that |
| 12:02.02 | ndnihil | if it does, it's low end junk |
| 12:02.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I installed an app "htop" which is exactly what its name says, but *without any kbd input* |
| 12:02.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | or I'm just too dull to grok how to pop up that damn vkbd in android at will |
| 12:03.07 | ndnihil | it should pop up as soon as you tap an input field |
| 12:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | even then, such vkbd has no ctrl key, no cursor keys even... >:-( |
| 12:03.44 | ndnihil | didn't even know htop was available for android |
| 12:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | HTOP has no input field |
| 12:03.52 | ndnihil | I run it here |
| 12:03.59 | ndnihil | assuming it's the same htop |
| 12:04.03 | ndnihil | like top, but pretty |
| 12:04.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | then that shit constantly nags with at least 5 notifiers per day trying to scoop money |
| 12:05.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | constantly phones home |
| 12:05.10 | ndnihil | hah, I have a fix for that too |
| 12:05.28 | ndnihil | $ cat hosts-big.txt |wc -l |
| 12:05.28 | ndnihil | 544993 |
| 12:05.37 | ndnihil | because fuck ads |
| 12:06.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hoped for a ssh server to log in to that piece of junk, but... couldn't find one |
| 12:07.10 | ndnihil | adb over net |
| 12:07.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably even quite demanding a task to write a daemon on android |
| 12:07.20 | ndnihil | closest you'll get without porting it yourself |
| 12:07.28 | ndnihil | and yeah, huge pain in the ass |
| 12:08.33 | ndnihil | but to be fair, it's not really a server OS |
| 12:08.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL obviously not |
| 12:08.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not really an OS |
| 12:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 12:09.35 | ndnihil | better than iStuff |
| 12:12.10 | ndnihil | and really, if you get something with a decent rom available (likely cyanogenmod), and flash the minimal gapps package with just play store |
| 12:12.19 | ndnihil | make a few tweaks |
| 12:12.21 | ndnihil | and it's entirely usable |
| 12:13.34 | ndnihil | as long as you have a physical keyboard :) |
| 12:15.51 | KotCzarny | if there is bsp from vendor, you can tune whole thing to usable state |
| 12:16.15 | KotCzarny | i'm currently hacking android for orange pi pc/plus2e |
| 12:16.28 | KotCzarny | and i must say it works nicely as a youtube/browser box |
| 12:17.41 | ndnihil | kodi/osmc |
| 12:17.46 | ndnihil | good stuff |
| 12:18.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_S60 |
| 12:18.12 | ndnihil | oh yeah |
| 12:18.23 | ndnihil | if they had a verizon version, I'd have one by now |
| 12:18.31 | ndnihil | been on the list for that since it was first announced |
| 12:18.47 | ndnihil | I love my flir |
| 12:18.47 | KotCzarny | yup, kodi kodi is really polished product |
| 12:18.53 | ndnihil | and having it on my phone would be sweet |
| 12:19.01 | ndnihil | I'd sacrifice the hardware keyboard for that |
| 12:19.05 | ndnihil | or 3d print one |
| 12:19.14 | ndnihil | rather 3d print a case that incorporates one |
| 12:19.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has no CM |
| 12:19.44 | ndnihil | nope, and probably never will |
| 12:20.03 | ndnihil | you'd be stuck rolling your own |
| 12:20.35 | KotCzarny | well, kodi is installable app for android |
| 12:20.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/help/cat-s60-snapdragon-617-rootable-t3433018 |
| 12:20.58 | ndnihil | I prefer the standalone kodi, rather than the app version |
| 12:21.00 | ndnihil | it's faster |
| 12:21.51 | KotCzarny | i've tried it just out of curiosity |
| 12:22.01 | KotCzarny | to test things |
| 12:23.04 | ndnihil | hadn't seen the xda thread on the s60 yet |
| 12:23.30 | ndnihil | heh, one post says "I have 117 apps on my phone" |
| 12:23.34 | ndnihil | who the fuck needs 117 apps |
| 12:23.44 | KotCzarny | dpkg -l|wc -l :P |
| 12:24.12 | ndnihil | lib lib lib lib lib lib app |
| 12:44.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | the FLIR is nice, also the rugged device is cool, but no root is just unbearable |
| 12:46.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I have to say: when android is tailored to be usable by average user, then I'm worried about state of my own brain since it's obviously working in a totally incompatible mode to that of those average users |
| 12:48.13 | sixwheeledbeast | your not alone so don't worry, the issue is others are now brainwashed into one of two UI's |
| 12:48.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | didn't anybody notice that e.g. pinch2zoom is a terribly idiotic approach ergonomically and usability wise, since you cover the stuff you're zooming with your fingers |
| 12:49.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | but... heaven compared to on screen vkbd |
| 12:50.42 | KotCzarny | one cute thing i've noticed about android was perfect usability with only mouse |
| 13:01.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | dug through his pile of USB junk to try making an arbitrary peripheral work on S60 in hostmode (not even sure if that would work *at all*), found a 16cm USB-A-F to USB-A-M "extender" and scratches head |
| 13:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's barely long enough to plug the ends into each other |
| 13:03.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a D+/- shorter? |
| 13:04.17 | sixwheeledbeast | how do you pinch with a mouse? |
| 13:12.37 | Vajb | maybe click'n hold + move? |
| 13:15.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | is there an app like "USB-hostmode" for android? |
| 13:16.48 | ndnihil | if I remember right, it should be an automatic/internal toggle based on the hardware supporting it |
| 13:16.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh, sorry |
| 13:17.07 | ndnihil | assuming OTG adapter and whatnot |
| 13:17.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't ask silly questions like an IRC noob |
| 13:17.24 | Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: install bluemaemo on n900 and use it as touchpad and kbrd |
| 13:17.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/usb/host.html |
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| 13:20.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.usbhostdiagnostics&hl=en |
| 13:21.17 | ndnihil | as keen on host mode as I used to be |
| 13:21.21 | ndnihil | I just never used it |
| 13:21.34 | ndnihil | except with gta02 when it was acting like a CD changer for the audi |
| 13:21.51 | ndnihil | via externally powered hub |
| 13:24.29 | KotCzarny | swb: dont know yet, but i find wheel to be nice, and rmb is 'cancel/back', which i find extremely intuitive/useful |
| 13:25.39 | sixwheeledbeast | I'd say some sort of holding Ctrl key would be intuitive, but meh |
| 13:26.18 | KotCzarny | swb, you can always map gestures |
| 13:26.29 | KotCzarny | ie. lmb+gesture |
| 13:27.18 | sixwheeledbeast | but that would be "drag" IMO |
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| 18:01.28 | mueddib | hello all |
| 18:01.40 | mueddib | I have a N900 and maemo is not work |
| 18:01.51 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 18:01.51 | infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing |
| 18:02.15 | mueddib | KotCzarny, I use debian 64bit and flasher not work 64bit system right? |
| 18:02.37 | KotCzarny | run 32bit os in virtualbox |
| 18:02.47 | KotCzarny | or some livecd |
| 18:02.49 | mueddib | KotCzarny, hm okay I understand. |
| 18:03.01 | KotCzarny | flasher will work if you install proper libs |
| 18:03.14 | KotCzarny | 32bit libc and 32bit libusb-0 |
| 18:03.28 | mueddib | I want to try to install Gentoo on the n900 but chroot command is not work |
| 18:03.28 | KotCzarny | then it will run without virtualbox |
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| 18:15.34 | mueddib | I have a questions, I will try to install Gentoo on the N900 and chroot is not work, /bin/bash is not work |
| 18:15.36 | mueddib | why? |
| 18:22.38 | L29Ah | paste your output |
| 18:23.14 | L29Ah | we ain't telepaths |
| 18:25.10 | mueddib | L29Ah I use command to env -i chroot . /bin/bash |
| 18:25.25 | mueddib | and the error "/bin/bash no file directory" |
| 18:25.51 | mueddib | I'm write to meego now, |
| 18:26.09 | L29Ah | ldd /bin/bash |
| 18:26.31 | L29Ah | check if the dynamic loader is available and operational in your chroot |
| 18:26.49 | L29Ah | you may have better results with busybox |
| 18:26.54 | mueddib | L29Ah hmm, I understand and this device is bussy |
| 18:26.59 | mueddib | http://www.tizenexperts.com/2010/10/installing-meego-nokia-n900/ |
| 18:28.47 | KotCzarny | mueddib: might be your gentoo be too new for old nokia kernel (2.6.28) |
| 18:30.29 | mueddib | KotCzarny, hm I understand what do you suggest install on distro? I want to install mutt and install irc client :) |
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| 18:31.38 | L29Ah | also, modern glibc won't work on the ancient maemo kernel |
| 18:33.25 | mueddib | L29Ah, my intention is to first install running linux then compile the new kernel :) |
| 18:33.42 | L29Ah | you may want to try musl |
| 18:33.47 | mueddib | maemo is not work, busybox is insufficient |
| 18:33.48 | L29Ah | it works on 2.6.28 afair |
| 18:33.55 | KotCzarny | if you dont need telephony part, you can have mainline kernel |
| 18:34.15 | L29Ah | and there are musl stage3 on gentoo.org |
| 18:34.54 | mueddib | L29Ah, I have to musl stage3 but I install to maemo this problem I don't chroot and not install to gentoo :( |
| 18:35.20 | mueddib | KotCzarny, I try to mainline kernel, this telephone have to ARM processor and I like to ARM |
| 18:35.23 | L29Ah | i barely understand you |
| 18:36.20 | mueddib | I'm running command |
| 18:36.22 | mueddib | dd bs=4096 if=mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable-1.2.0.90.6.20110630.4.DE.2011-07-01.1-mmcblk0p.raw of=/dev/mmcblk0 |
| 18:36.28 | mueddib | I'm still wait :) |
| 18:43.52 | mueddib | KotCzarny, why not work make and bash and basic linux command? |
| 18:44.18 | mueddib | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# make |
| 18:44.18 | mueddib | -sh: make: not found |
| 18:44.33 | KotCzarny | 1/ your firmware is old |
| 18:44.47 | KotCzarny | 2/ to enable make/gcc on device you need sdk repository added |
| 18:45.02 | KotCzarny | 3/ watch out for OUT OF DISK SPACE |
| 18:45.36 | mueddib | KotCzarny, where is the new firmware? please share url. |
| 18:45.45 | mueddib | sdk? I'dont now how to enable sdk |
| 18:45.57 | mueddib | N900 have to 30GB disk area :) |
| 18:46.00 | L29Ah | you don't need them if you have the gentoo chroot |
| 18:46.07 | mueddib | and I use 16GB SD |
| 18:47.05 | mueddib | L29Ah, I run command "chroot /mnt/Gentoo /bin/bash" and this command not work. |
| 18:47.19 | KotCzarny | in short, you better do it in scratchbox on pc |
| 18:47.25 | mueddib | # uname -ar |
| 18:47.25 | mueddib | Linux Nokia-N900-42-11 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Wed Oct 28 15:32:55 EET 2009 armv7l unknown |
| 18:47.39 | KotCzarny | compiling on device will be VERY slow |
| 18:48.00 | L29Ah | mueddib: eat shit plz |
| 18:48.14 | L29Ah | KotCzarny: kernel builds in some hours |
| 18:48.21 | L29Ah | not very slow ;] |
| 18:48.36 | KotCzarny | l29ah: i know, i was building on bananas. but n900 is SLOOOW. |
| 18:49.13 | L29Ah | the biggest problem with n900 is the lack of memory |
| 18:49.20 | L29Ah | so c++ goes out of the window |
| 18:49.26 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 18:49.49 | KotCzarny | compiling on device is fine for small projects, or properly splitted |
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| 19:44.20 | jonwil | hi |
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| 20:08.22 | mueddib | hey all, I chroot'ed N900 and I have shell to Gentoo now :) |
| 20:08.38 | bencoh | yay :) |
| 20:08.48 | mueddib | How can I physically install Gentoo to N900? |
| 20:09.04 | mueddib | I think gentoo work to /dev/mmcblk1p1 |
| 20:09.14 | mueddib | I want to need install to /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 20:09.35 | mueddib | mmcblk0 is physical SD right? |
| 20:09.41 | bencoh | hmmm I think there is a thread about that on forum, and a few people here worked on this as well |
| 20:09.56 | mueddib | hm I searched to google :) |
| 20:10.43 | mueddib | I dont understand, N900 not use to /boot partition |
| 20:10.49 | bencoh | mmc1 is external sdcard, mmc0 is (internal) eMMC |
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| 20:11.12 | mueddib | bencoh right, thank you but where is the bootable disk? /boot ? |
| 20:11.30 | bencoh | and n900 boots from NAND, which is presented as a mtd block device |
| 20:11.54 | bencoh | kernel sits in its own mtd partition, with no filesyste |
| 20:12.06 | bencoh | I'm pretty sure this is explained somewhere on wiki.maemo.org btw :) |
| 20:12.42 | bencoh | you probably want to install uboot before going on with your project, by the way |
| 20:14.31 | mueddib | uboot? hm, mmcblk0p1 have to three partition |
| 20:14.39 | mueddib | Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type |
| 20:14.53 | mueddib | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.09 | mueddib | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.12 | mueddib | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.33 | mueddib | so, n900 not use mmcblk0 right? :) |
| 20:15.41 | mueddib | the /boot empty :) |
| 20:15.58 | bencoh | it does. but not to boot. |
| 20:16.20 | bencoh | uboot would sit on mtd as well |
| 20:16.58 | mueddib | hm, I dont information to uboot and mtd |
| 20:17.01 | mueddib | I'm learn now :) |
| 20:17.02 | mueddib | thank you |
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| 21:10.33 | mueddib | hmm, uboot is boot to another kernel= |
| 21:10.35 | mueddib | ? |
| 21:31.36 | Pali | jonwil: hi! |
| 21:31.54 | Pali | do you know something about addressbok & sms stored on SIM card? |
| 21:31.57 | Pali | how to access it? |
| 21:32.25 | Pali | Maemo abook can access and copy contacts from SIM to /home/... but not reverse |
| 21:32.47 | Pali | so there should be some csd api for reading contacts from SIM |
| 21:32.57 | Pali | which should probably use ISI modem |
| 21:33.50 | Pali | mueddib: hi! what do you need to know about uboot? |
| 21:34.38 | mueddib | Pali, oh my god! I was looking for your e-mail address :) |
| 21:35.22 | mueddib | hm, I want to run gentoo on the N900 but I don't know how to boot Gentoo. |
| 21:35.41 | mueddib | Can I boot to Gentoo with uboot? |
| 21:36.10 | Pali | uboot is bootloader, it boot supplied kernel image |
| 21:36.26 | Pali | same as grub |
| 21:36.33 | Pali | or lilo |
| 21:37.02 | mueddib | hmm, I understand but I don't know how it works :) |
| 21:37.47 | mueddib | Pali, what do I need to do to install uboot? |
| 21:37.52 | mueddib | I don't find to howto |
| 21:37.55 | mueddib | :( |
| 21:40.28 | Pali | n900 boot process is: omaprom --> x-loader (mtd0) --> nolo (mtd0) --> kernel (mtd3) |
| 21:40.52 | Pali | uboot is placed between nolo and kernel |
| 21:41.09 | Pali | and is stored to mtd3 too |
| 21:41.28 | Pali | mtd3 is enough large, so kernel is appended to uboot image on mtd3 |
| 21:42.01 | Pali | so installing uboot will replace kernel in mtd3 with image of uboot+kernel |
| 21:42.24 | Pali | uboot iself can boot attached kernel image (to uboot at mtd3) |
| 21:42.36 | Pali | and can boot any other kernel image stored on eMMC or uSD card |
| 21:42.46 | Pali | also can load initramfs |
| 21:43.17 | Pali | installing of uboot should be simple, just install "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" via hildon application manager |
| 21:43.55 | mueddib | Pali, thanks for information but can i run kernel on my sd-card? |
| 21:43.57 | Pali | it flash uboot image into kernel nand area (mtd3) and attached kernel image is stock one! not kernel-power or other |
| 21:44.12 | Pali | uboot can load & boot any kernel from uSD card |
| 21:44.26 | mueddib | hmm |
| 21:44.29 | Pali | for easy loading I suggest you to create bootmenu entry |
| 21:44.35 | Pali | see thread about uboot: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 |
| 21:45.00 | Pali | read first post, you are probably interested in "How to create bootmenu entry for U-Boot" |
| 21:46.11 | mueddib | I understand, I create a zImage and copy /opt/boot |
| 21:46.25 | mueddib | and I create a /etc/bootmenu.d/20-my-kernel.item |
| 21:46.37 | mueddib | file and I insert parameters right? |
| 21:46.46 | Pali | do not have to copy it to /opt/boot, you can specify also path to uSD |
| 21:46.56 | mueddib | I understand |
| 21:48.43 | mueddib | Can I reformat to mmcblk0? |
| 21:49.08 | Pali | mmcblk0? that is eMMC, right? |
| 21:49.18 | mueddib | and I don't create bootable partition, right? |
| 21:49.21 | Pali | of course you cannot reformat whole eMMC |
| 21:49.22 | mueddib | not install lilo or grub :) |
| 21:49.46 | Pali | eMMC is part of Maemo |
| 21:49.59 | mueddib | hmm, where is the eMMC? |
| 21:50.12 | Pali | on soc |
| 21:50.19 | mueddib | I see only to mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 |
| 21:50.29 | Pali | one is eMMC and one is uSD card |
| 21:50.29 | mueddib | so /dev/mmcblk0 is internal sd |
| 21:50.38 | Pali | look where is mounted MyDocs |
| 21:50.43 | mueddib | and /dev/mmcblk1 is external sd |
| 21:50.50 | Pali | that is 3rd part of eMMC |
| 21:50.52 | mueddib | not mount :) |
| 21:51.08 | Pali | going to check it on my n900 |
| 21:51.45 | mueddib | Pali: http://www.heypasteit.com/clip/37T4 |
| 21:51.47 | Pali | so... on Maemo is mmcblk0 eMMC and mmcblk1 uSD |
| 21:52.12 | Pali | on non-maemo system mmcblk0/1 are randomly selected |
| 21:52.17 | Pali | based on hw initalization |
| 21:53.47 | Pali | if you are going to use another system, I suggest you to use uSD card |
| 21:54.14 | Pali | format it to fat or ext2/3/4 and copy there your system |
| 21:54.31 | Pali | create partitions on it as you wish |
| 21:54.49 | mueddib | my uSD card 2GB is not enough I want to use internal SD |
| 21:55.33 | mueddib | Can I partition internal sd? uSD is only 2GB :) |
| 21:55.54 | Pali | if you do not want to loose Maemo system, then cannot (easly) use eMMC |
| 21:57.33 | mueddib | I want to delete Maemo and I want to boot with only Gentoo. I want use eMMC (30GB) :) |
| 21:57.49 | mueddib | is this possible? |
| 21:58.21 | Pali | do you have working gentoo? |
| 21:58.24 | Pali | image? |
| 21:58.31 | mueddib | yes |
| 21:58.35 | mueddib | I install gentoo uSD |
| 21:58.47 | Pali | and will it work on eMMC? |
| 21:58.47 | mueddib | I parted to 2GB |
| 21:59.23 | mueddib | So, for example linux boot to uSD and I use eMMC (30GB) mounting |
| 21:59.31 | mueddib | right? |
| 21:59.59 | Pali | uboot menu entries how they created do not work without Maemo |
| 22:00.18 | mueddib | ah I understand |
| 22:00.20 | Pali | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 --> works only if Maemo is installed |
| 22:00.33 | Pali | what you can do is to decrease size of MyDocs partition |
| 22:00.38 | Pali | and after that create new parition |
| 22:00.58 | Pali | uboot is loading configuration from MyDocs |
| 22:01.23 | Pali | so decrease MyDocs e.g. to 1GB |
| 22:02.00 | Pali | and you should have ~~ 22GB empty after 3rd partition |
| 22:02.45 | Pali | (maybe more 26GB probably) |
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| 22:07.19 | mueddib | Dear Pali, last time I delete all partition on the mmcblk0 and reboot and N900 work :) |
| 22:07.54 | mueddib | right? |
| 22:08.10 | Pali | if you delete all partitions on eMMC, then you delete Maemo5 |
| 22:08.33 | mueddib | https://jpst.it/QlV4 |
| 22:08.50 | mueddib | no Maemo is not delete, N900 boot :) |
| 22:09.34 | mueddib | https://jpst.it/QlV8 |
| 22:09.41 | mueddib | did you seen? https://jpst.it/QlV8 |
| 22:09.43 | mueddib | :) |
| 22:11.15 | Pali | probably is damaged |
| 22:11.39 | mueddib | really? hm.. |
| 22:11.42 | Pali | as all more parts are stored in /opt (=mount bind to /home/opt) and in /home/user/ |
| 22:19.44 | mueddib | Pali, I wondering, can not I install gentoo on the N900? For example, grub start get the grub menu I select kernel and find to ext3 /boot folder boot the kernel and boot linux |
| 22:19.59 | mueddib | just like computers. |
| 22:20.32 | mueddib | can not it be that way? |
| 22:22.44 | Pali | uboot supports that bootmenu |
| 22:22.46 | Pali | you can |
| 22:22.56 | Pali | but configuration is loaded from MyDocs |
| 22:23.37 | Pali | so now you cannot use uboot |
| 22:23.46 | Pali | as you deleted everything needed for it |
| 22:28.20 | mueddib | Dear Pali, thanks for all informations, I install to uboot next time and I use Gentoo :) |
| 22:28.59 | mueddib | I don't use Maemo, Maemo is good and based debian but I need compile packages everytime on the N900 |
| 22:29.00 | mueddib | :) |
| 22:29.22 | Wizzup | You're crazy |
| 22:29.31 | Wizzup | I use gentoo on my n900, but I don't compile anything on it |
| 22:29.36 | Pali | you can flash kernel image directly to nand |
| 22:29.37 | Wizzup | I compile it on a different machine |
| 22:29.42 | Pali | and use it without uboot |
| 22:29.54 | mueddib | this problem, n900 is very very slow :) |
| 22:30.02 | Pali | but in that case you need to ensure that you have everything needed for booting in zImage |
| 22:30.14 | Pali | and that zImage size is < 2MB |
| 22:30.27 | Pali | and cmdline and others is compiled in zImage |
| 22:30.49 | mueddib | Wizzup, I compile only bitchx irc client, mutt, vi, and linux kernel |
| 22:31.25 | mueddib | (chroot) Nokia-N900-42-11 media # df -h |
| 22:31.25 | mueddib | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 22:31.30 | Wizzup | so why not compile it on some other arm machine, or with qemu-user, or with cross compile |
| 22:31.34 | mueddib | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.44 | mueddib | this is good :) |
| 22:31.59 | bencoh | seriously this is .... ridiculous |
| 22:33.55 | mueddib | so, I have a problem |
| 22:34.21 | mueddib | I connect to SSH and always freeze over ssh I'm waiting to enter the command. What could be the reason frozen? |
| 22:34.35 | Wizzup | Maybe it's below 0 degrees celsius. |
| 22:35.24 | mueddib | Wizzup right now, here it is snowing and weather is very cold. |
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| 22:40.47 | mueddib | Wizzup are you serious? could it be cold? |
| 22:41.05 | Wizzup | No, I wasn't serious. |
| 22:41.19 | Wizzup | Maybe wifi power saving? You should figure out how it freezes, where it freezes, in what part in the exchange |
| 22:41.45 | mueddib | hm, how do I resolve that it is waiting on ssh? |
| 22:41.55 | Wizzup | ssh -vvv |
| 22:41.58 | mueddib | hm I check now, thank you |
| 22:42.21 | mueddib | OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-6.maemo5, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 |
| 22:43.28 | Wizzup | I was suggesting increasing the verbosity, not printing the version. |
| 22:44.41 | mueddib | Where can I change to wifi power saving? |
| 22:46.14 | Pali | iw |
| 22:46.45 | Pali | and tell any other wifi sw to not enable it (network-manager, wicd, etc..) |
| 22:47.27 | mueddib | I use default network-manager |
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