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| 10:15.35 | Vajb | oh there seems to be new omp version in devel. I wonder will i be stable? Also i wonder will "not played" list remain intact if i upgrade to new version. |
| 10:15.53 | Vajb | will it* who is eating my letters? |
| 10:15.54 | Wizzup_ | omp is stable for me |
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| 10:45.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | eats letters for breakfast :-) |
| 10:48.51 | gry | DocScrutinizer51, hi |
| 10:49.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi |
| 10:49.24 | gry | DocScrutinizer51, I didn't quite follow our previous conversation about osso-xterm, there are two things to it. one, it's supposed to be in the repos, and if it isn't, it means there is a long list of things missing |
| 10:49.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 10:50.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 10:50.03 | infobot | i heard pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 10:50.07 | gry | two, I would like to use it because I don't know how else to develop a new hildon app, if not in terminal. not familiar with the process. I want to have a code, a compiler, and an ability to run an app in one place somewhere |
| 10:50.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/osso-xterm/ |
| 10:51.02 | gry | I can probably download .deb from that page, but I would ideally like the package manager to know of the package by itself |
| 10:51.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | two: you want to use sb for that |
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| 10:51.37 | gry | sb = scratchbox? |
| 10:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 10:52.27 | gry | if I make it in scratchbox, will I then be able to install it in the maemo itself and see what it looks like? |
| 10:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 10:52.48 | KotCzarny | that's the point of sb |
| 10:52.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:52.59 | KotCzarny | to build software for n900 |
| 10:53.05 | KotCzarny | (or any configured target) |
| 10:53.13 | gry | ok |
| 10:53.20 | KotCzarny | it also has a scripts to run that software on device |
| 10:53.32 | gry | is there a hello world scratchbox tutorial for dummies? :) |
| 10:53.33 | KotCzarny | so you dont have to copy yourself |
| 10:53.36 | KotCzarny | ~sb |
| 10:53.37 | infobot | it has been said that scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 10:53.42 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 10:53.44 | Oksanaa | 1) is scratchbox already packaged in whatever virtual image Gry found and uses; 2) will sb-packaged app be installable on virtual machine (to avoid hassle of emailing it to real device)? |
| 10:53.49 | KotCzarny | ~devel |
| 10:54.30 | KotCzarny | ~scratchbox |
| 10:54.30 | infobot | it has been said that scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 10:54.42 | Oksanaa | ~dev |
| 10:54.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksanaa: sb bouilds for two targets: x86 for virtual device aka emu, and armel for N900 |
| 10:55.30 | gry | Oksanaa, a 'sbhome' launcher on the desktop of the vm looks promising |
| 10:55.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation |
| 10:56.17 | gry | not that I know how to use it, but maybe sb is available in that 'thing' |
| 10:56.30 | Oksanaa | Nice :-) Especially if sb builds deb files for both targets at the same time... Should be easy to specify, either way |
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| 10:56.54 | KotCzarny | btw. https://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK |
| 10:57.00 | KotCzarny | nice step by step |
| 10:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide |
| 11:00.06 | gry | thank you both :-) |
| 11:00.39 | KotCzarny | there was an instruction how to run package on the device automatically, cant find it |
| 11:01.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK#Hardware_architectures |
| 11:01.27 | gry | oh architectures should go to hell hopefully, I'm running this in a vm and not on device yet |
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| 11:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | please READ that! |
| 11:01.49 | KotCzarny | you can still run armel binaries in sb |
| 11:01.51 | gry | but I've put a note of all these URLs in a file, so I'll at least attempt to have a go at them |
| 11:01.55 | KotCzarny | but it might be slow |
| 11:02.09 | gry | oh you mean please read about architectures, or about everything else...? |
| 11:02.14 | KotCzarny | x86 target was invented to develop quickly |
| 11:02.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>The Maemo SDK supports two architectures, X86 and ARMEL, and provides development environment for both. In Fremantle, the X86 environment is used for active development and has better tool support through native execution without the need for emulation. The ARMEL target is used only for cross-compilation of applications to work on the actual device. << |
| 11:02.35 | KotCzarny | s/develop/develop and test/ |
| 11:03.05 | gry | ahh |
| 11:03.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>The emulation however is not complete, so the actual testing must be performed on the device.<< |
| 11:03.18 | KotCzarny | if you run armel binaries in sb they will run through qemu |
| 11:03.25 | gry | so if I have a choice I should start to play with x86 at first |
| 11:03.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 11:03.43 | KotCzarny | theoretically both targets are equal during devel |
| 11:04.17 | Oksanaa | Yes, and once you get x86 working well, feel free to feed deb-src to auto-builder |
| 11:04.22 | gry | O |
| 11:04.25 | KotCzarny | but 1/ x86 is faster to test, 2/ there might be bugs in app related to diff. arch, so final testing on device is required |
| 11:05.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksanaa: ack, though you should first switch sb target to ARMEL and build for and test on N900 |
| 11:05.32 | gry | that helloworld thing linked above looks like a heaven piece of art, I'll start from there |
| 11:05.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:05.45 | Oksanaa | /me cheers |
| 11:05.47 | KotCzarny | yay for hello worlds! |
| 11:06.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | again, please read the http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK#Hardware_architectures ff |
| 11:06.23 | gry | that's when keeping notes on a wiki, and using pretty faces next to links on that, helps, right Oksanaa? :) |
| 11:06.57 | KotCzarny | and yeah, you might even keep notes on wiki's user page |
| 11:07.11 | KotCzarny | which might help other users |
| 11:07.35 | KotCzarny | for example: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Wikiwide |
| 11:07.51 | Oksanaa | /me notes that gry runs her own ikiwiki, but yes, information should be kept well-linked and easy to find |
| 11:07.52 | KotCzarny | now go add something to http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Gry |
| 11:08.07 | gry | I'm keeping on a personal wiki off-side so far, which includes an ambitious wishlist and some URLs to existing maemo wiki pages, but I'll copy it over to the maemo wiki userpage once it's got anything meaningful |
| 11:08.25 | KotCzarny | it doesnt have to be meaningful, its your scratch pad |
| 11:08.34 | KotCzarny | which helps other maemo users |
| 11:08.39 | gry | yeah |
| 11:09.12 | gry | sleep time for now, I'll copy it over any time I'm awake enough without other tasks taking priority |
| 11:09.13 | Oksanaa | /me links https://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Data_Sharing/Sharing_Plug-in#Writing_Sharing_Plug-in_for_.22Send_via_Service.22 |
| 11:09.48 | gry | for what is this again? for a plugin to share things on a wiki? :) |
| 11:10.41 | Oksanaa | Yes, I would like to be able to post photo's on ikiwiki's blog _without_ having to jump through the hoops of web-browser and markdown |
| 11:10.49 | Oksanaa | Photos* |
| 11:11.09 | gry | does the thing already have other sharing plugins for, say, mediawiki or mediagoblin? |
| 11:11.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh and just in case: NEVER EVER do a "rm -rf /scratchbox"! at least not before you shut down all the bindmounts |
| 11:11.33 | gry | sure, but I can do that in a vm I think . the worst it would do is damage the guest OS :) |
| 11:11.42 | gry | which I would also of course try to avoid |
| 11:11.53 | Oksanaa | Rm -rf is usually a bad idea, yes. |
| 11:12.40 | KotCzarny | oksanaa: have you seen? http://www.wtfcomics.com/archive.html?485_1 |
| 11:12.46 | Oksanaa | Gry: mediagoblin? Mediawiki? Can bet: no, no sharing plugins for either, yet. |
| 11:12.51 | KotCzarny | beware if you have work to do ;) |
| 11:13.27 | gry | Oksanaa, what 'sane' sharing plugins do we have? |
| 11:13.46 | gry | like, not twitter-bird, not facedesk, etc |
| 11:16.02 | Oksanaa | Gry: ftp is the sanest. Actually, neat, if it truly works. Cannot recall last time I used an ftp, though... |
| 11:16.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 11:16.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm using sftp to my own shareservice |
| 11:17.13 | KotCzarny | scp? |
| 11:17.14 | KotCzarny | sshfs? |
| 11:17.16 | KotCzarny | rsync? |
| 11:17.20 | Oksanaa | Does sharing-service-ftp work with sftp? |
| 11:17.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/ |
| 11:17.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's ... lemme check... |
| 11:18.04 | Oksanaa | /me uses winscp routinely, for sftp I think if I recall correctly |
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| 11:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/sharing-cli/ |
| 11:21.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | great lil thing |
| 11:23.48 | Oksanaa | Great :-) but: command-line, not "Click and Go" |
| 11:24.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 11:24.16 | KotCzarny | well, you have an idea for a great maemo app |
| 11:24.17 | KotCzarny | right? |
| 11:24.18 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 11:24.19 | Oksanaa | Ooh, sorry... |
| 11:24.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | it *executes* a cmdline |
| 11:24.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | on click |
| 11:25.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | you configure the cmdline in GUI |
| 11:25.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it gets executed when you share anything |
| 11:25.37 | Oksanaa | Okay, then should just see which command lines can send file to ikiwiki |
| 11:25.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | %s is the file handle iirc |
| 11:30.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | settings -> share-accounts -> share-cli |
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| 12:00.17 | Vajb | Wizzup: which version u have? apt-cache policy openmediaplayer |
| 12:00.17 | Vajb | openmediaplayer: |
| 12:00.17 | Vajb | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.17 | Vajb | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.59 | KotCzarny | 2015 seems old |
| 12:00.59 | Vajb | yup but it works |
| 12:01.00 | Vajb | and besides i noticed update only yesterday |
| 12:01.27 | Vajb | i believe the idea "don't fixit if it aint broken" |
| 12:01.32 | Vajb | :) |
| 12:02.02 | Wizzup | does that apply to security bugs as well? |
| 12:02.03 | KotCzarny | well, you say it's unstable |
| 12:06.31 | Vajb | no i didn't or at least i wanted to ask if new version is stable |
| 12:06.31 | KotCzarny | ah, ok |
| 12:06.31 | Vajb | Wizzup: well if something has a hole it's broken |
| 12:07.33 | KotCzarny | uh oh |
| 12:07.36 | KotCzarny | not entirely true |
| 12:08.02 | KotCzarny | actually having holes in toliet paper makes it tear at the right spot |
| 12:08.21 | KotCzarny | not to mention hole in the a** |
| 12:08.25 | Vajb | yes, but it is designed hole |
| 12:08.41 | Vajb | maybe i should have included word security |
| 12:08.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:09.04 | Vajb | but if u think of it. Emergency exit is kindof security hole |
| 12:09.43 | Vajb | but that doesn't answer my question about newest omp being stable or not ;) |
| 12:10.19 | Vajb | nor it answers my question if my "not yet played" list will remain intact in upgrade process |
| 12:11.07 | KotCzarny | maybe i should add system wide queuing to oscp |
| 12:11.26 | KotCzarny | though i dont use it in this way, and no one requested such feature |
| 12:12.38 | KotCzarny | freemangordon, pali: would it be possible to backport zram to 2.6.28 ? |
| 12:13.01 | Vajb | what ever happened to k.i.s.s method with oscp ;) |
| 12:13.16 | Pali | KotCzarny: no idea... I'm not going to do it as 2.6.28 is really old |
| 12:13.40 | Wizzup | yeah, please focus efforts on being able to use new sw |
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| 12:13.56 | Wizzup | not work on bringing cool new stuff to old/unmaintained stuff |
| 12:14.43 | KotCzarny | mainline on n900 is still months away, while zram could benefit all users quick |
| 12:15.09 | Wizzup | haha |
| 12:15.56 | Wizzup | well, I guess nobody is stopping you |
| 12:21.50 | KotCzarny | http://bigbob.fun.free.fr/for-freemangordon/adding-ramzswap-driver.diff |
| 12:21.52 | KotCzarny | rriiiiight. |
| 12:22.37 | KotCzarny | google is nice sometimes |
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| 22:59.48 | pkill9 | I'm using the repos from wiki.maemo.org/repositories but apt-get says the keys have expired |
| 23:00.07 | pkill9 | anyone know how to update the gpg-keys? |
| 23:07.54 | Pali | which one? |
| 23:08.02 | Pali | pkill9: ^ |
| 23:23.48 | pkill9 | Pali: sorry not sure, i ended up upgrading anyway, but i have another issue with maemoagent |
| 23:24.51 | pkill9 | Pali: it was the maemo.muarf.org repositories |
| 23:25.13 | Pali | pkill9: that is not official maemo repository |
| 23:25.23 | Pali | so problems about it report to owner |
| 23:25.30 | pkill9 | which ones are official? |
| 23:25.36 | Pali | maemo.org |
| 23:25.39 | Pali | domain |
| 23:26.09 | pkill9 | do you have a list of official repositories i can put in sources.list? |
| 23:26.35 | Pali | you should use Hildon Application Manager for setting repositories |
| 23:26.56 | Pali | there is only Maemo Extras, Maemo Extras-testing (and -devel) |
| 23:27.08 | Pali | all other are not official part of maemo.org... |
| 23:27.29 | Pali | and there is CSSU... but that is not "Extras" repository |
| 23:27.33 | pkill9 | I used the ones listed here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#fremantle_repos_.28copy.26paste_sources.list.29 |
| 23:28.06 | pkill9 | i thought they were official as it is part of wiki.maemo.org |
| 23:29.03 | Pali | if you see problem with expired key for downloads.maemo.nokia.com clone, then it is nokia's problem |
| 23:29.13 | Pali | their gpg key expired |
| 23:29.23 | pkill9 | ok |
| 23:34.07 | pkill9 | Pali: do you know what maemoagent is used for? |
| 23:34.25 | Pali | maemoagent? never heard about it |
| 23:34.44 | Pali | and google too |
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| 23:55.09 | pkill9 | Pali: this is the error i get when trying to upgrade maemoagent: https://gist.github.com/sfgasdfsafggfgg/771d0e72004b40762a6a37fc2d05d8f5 |
| 23:55.19 | pkill9 | any idea what the problem could be? |
| 23:55.49 | Pali | broken package |
| 23:56.04 | pkill9 | ah |
| 23:56.14 | pkill9 | how do i force it to redownload? |
| 23:56.37 | Pali | it is unknown for maemo.org too! http://maemo.org/packages/view/maemoagent/ |
| 23:57.03 | Pali | apt-get install --reinstall package_name |
| 23:57.08 | pkill9 | hmm |
| 23:57.10 | Pali | this will reinstall package |
| 23:59.52 | *** join/#maemo xellotath (~U@47.209.73.118) |