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| 05:31.53 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 06:35.54 | ulyaoth | hello |
| 06:37.04 | Oksana | hi :-) |
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| 06:47.47 | ulyaoth | could i run c code compiled in windows intel x64 on the armv7 cortex? |
| 06:50.12 | MoeIcenowy | qemu + wine |
| 06:50.15 | MoeIcenowy | + a lot of patience |
| 06:50.45 | MoeIcenowy | ulyaoth: ^ |
| 06:52.49 | ulyaoth | could i do something to the source or change compilers or something? to produce a linux executable for this type of processors? |
| 06:55.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ulyaoth: sure, compile for armel, not for x86 |
| 06:56.43 | KotCzarny | if you have the source, better to recompile |
| 06:56.48 | KotCzarny | ~tabletsdev |
| 06:56.48 | infobot | tabletsdev is, like, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads, or http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ |
| 06:56.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | you however will have a hard time running *windows* programs on maemo |
| 06:56.57 | KotCzarny | last link for vm sdk |
| 06:57.11 | KotCzarny | with binutils and compilers prepared |
| 06:59.32 | MoeIcenowy | If the program uses Windows API, it will still be a disaster... |
| 06:59.43 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 06:59.54 | MoeIcenowy | although you can try arm version of wine |
| 07:00.03 | KotCzarny | but with skills and patience it can be ported |
| 07:00.36 | MoeIcenowy | wine come with a wrapped gcc, which supports compiling programs with Windows API and linked to wine's fakedlls |
| 07:01.18 | MoeIcenowy | teamviewer's linux version uses this trick to reuse the codebase of the windows version |
| 07:01.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh! |
| 07:01.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | not on maemo, I'm sure |
| 07:01.50 | MoeIcenowy | but I think a wine is too heavy for a maemo ;-) |
| 07:01.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 07:02.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | windows would be too heavy for N900 even without wine wrapper |
| 07:03.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless it's win98 |
| 07:03.44 | MoeIcenowy | just too heavy for maeno, not too heavy for N900 |
| 07:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 07:04.20 | MoeIcenowy | arm wine will cost hundreds of megabytes, which is not acceptable on maeno |
| 07:04.23 | MoeIcenowy | maemo |
| 07:04.40 | MoeIcenowy | but can still be used |
| 07:04.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | why do you think maemo can't handle 100s of MB? :-o |
| 07:05.00 | MoeIcenowy | oh of course you can put it at /opt |
| 07:05.09 | MoeIcenowy | a resized emmc maybe can fit this ;-) |
| 07:05.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, that's HARDware, not software |
| 07:05.56 | MoeIcenowy | is your windows program open-sourced? |
| 07:06.07 | MoeIcenowy | and the most important problem, is it written in C? |
| 07:06.16 | KotCzarny | or c++ |
| 07:06.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:06.30 | kerio | it doesn't have to be written in c |
| 07:06.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | >><ulyaoth> could i run **c** code..,<< |
| 07:06.52 | KotCzarny | but best is to find an already linux based alternative |
| 07:06.57 | MoeIcenowy | yes |
| 07:06.58 | kerio | if it's C# you can use mono :^) |
| 07:07.11 | KotCzarny | kerio: isnt mono horribly outdated? |
| 07:07.16 | KotCzarny | especially mono for n900? |
| 07:07.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | slaps kerio with a large trout |
| 07:07.23 | MoeIcenowy | but it may be interesting to try out a Notepad++ running on N900 ;-) |
| 07:07.29 | kerio | and every language that doesn't run in a vm has C bindings anyway |
| 07:09.08 | MoeIcenowy | as there's Notepad++ arm binaries, which is recompiled for jailbroken Surface RT |
| 07:09.45 | KotCzarny | MoeIcenowy: go for it |
| 07:09.57 | KotCzarny | then upload package to extras ;) |
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| 07:10.40 | kerio | KotCzarny: anything for n900 is horribly outdated, duh |
| 07:10.48 | KotCzarny | nope. oscp isnt |
| 07:10.49 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 07:10.56 | kerio | ayy |
| 07:11.00 | MoeIcenowy | at least many things for n900 is horribly outdated |
| 07:11.03 | KotCzarny | uses latest libav and other libs |
| 07:11.12 | MoeIcenowy | n900's openconnect cannot even connect to my ocserv ;-) |
| 07:11.51 | MoeIcenowy | So I had never an effeicent way to break the Great FireWall of China on N900 ;-) |
| 07:12.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | heck, that "outdated" and "new release" fetishism always. Check out grep for example, guess when it been updated last time. Or cat, or date |
| 07:12.55 | MoeIcenowy | oh can N900 be set to defaultly use some socks5 proxy? |
| 07:13.09 | MoeIcenowy | if it can, it may be valuable to port a shadowsocks to it |
| 07:13.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | MoeIcenowy: maemo is linux |
| 07:13.44 | MoeIcenowy | DocScrutinizer05: yes, so it has no proxifier ;-) |
| 07:13.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and N900 runs maemo |
| 07:13.57 | MoeIcenowy | and I'm not sure whether proxychains can work |
| 07:14.13 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: re outdated - most of the times it is like how you say, however, we have few cases like ssl and similar |
| 07:14.18 | KotCzarny | MoeIcenowy: biggest problem is probably outdated openssl with old certs/protocols |
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| 07:14.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ack |
| 07:14.30 | MoeIcenowy | KotCzarny: yes |
| 07:14.33 | KotCzarny | maybe you can recompile with statically linked updated openssl |
| 07:14.45 | KotCzarny | (as a temporary measure) |
| 07:14.48 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: why statically? |
| 07:15.02 | KotCzarny | fmg: to not mess with the system? |
| 07:15.08 | freemangordon | 0.9.8 and 1.x can coexist happily |
| 07:15.10 | MoeIcenowy | I have never homebrewed any Maemo binarys |
| 07:15.15 | KotCzarny | but if different versions can coexist, sure, go |
| 07:15.27 | freemangordon | SONAME :) |
| 07:15.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~soname |
| 07:15.40 | KotCzarny | i like LD_LIBRAR_PATH |
| 07:15.46 | KotCzarny | i like LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 07:15.53 | freemangordon | you don't need it for openssl afaik |
| 07:15.54 | KotCzarny | shortens cmdline a bit |
| 07:16.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~soname is http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html |
| 07:16.00 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 07:17.06 | KotCzarny | but i guess new openssl would require some serious patching |
| 07:17.17 | freemangordon | why? |
| 07:17.36 | KotCzarny | because last time i've tried to compile openssl in sb it failed |
| 07:17.47 | freemangordon | https://github.com/community-ssu/openssl/tree/master/debian/patches |
| 07:18.36 | freemangordon | besides a couple of patches there, nothing else should be really needed |
| 07:18.42 | KotCzarny | uhum |
| 07:19.00 | freemangordon | your failure could be related to outdated gcc |
| 07:19.02 | KotCzarny | then why we dont have maemo upgraded yet? |
| 07:19.20 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: because nobody tries to do it |
| 07:19.28 | KotCzarny | jonwil: ! |
| 07:19.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:19.44 | freemangordon | jonwil what? you think this is one man task? |
| 07:20.12 | KotCzarny | you've said it shouldnt be a problem :) |
| 07:20.26 | freemangordon | != "it is easy" |
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| 07:25.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | upgrading ssl is a problem just for the closed blobs that are linked agianst libssl0.9.8 |
| 07:26.53 | bencoh | MoeIcenowy: does anything prevent openconnect from getting an update btw? (ssl maybe) |
| 07:28.31 | MoeIcenowy | bencoh: I don't know |
| 07:28.37 | MoeIcenowy | I only downloaded it from extras |
| 07:28.40 | bencoh | freemangordon: so you suggest we should have both openssl and openssl1.x and rebuild all source packages depending on openssl? |
| 07:28.54 | KotCzarny | bencoh, maybe the usual, someone has to do it? |
| 07:28.57 | bencoh | (after changing depends/rdepends) |
| 07:29.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: that's the obvious solution |
| 07:29.11 | MoeIcenowy | but my ocserv is down now ;-) |
| 07:29.21 | bencoh | KotCzarny: I wouldn't mind working a bit on that part |
| 07:29.34 | MoeIcenowy | but openconnect is really something useful for serious works ;-) |
| 07:30.09 | MoeIcenowy | the offical kernel of maemo come with tun/tap support, right? |
| 07:30.30 | KotCzarny | first you have to get updated openssl into extras though |
| 07:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | MoeIcenowy: afaik yes. when not, get powerjernel |
| 07:30.49 | KotCzarny | (or compile it at all) |
| 07:30.52 | bencoh | MoeIcenowy: not sure about stock one. kernel-power sure does |
| 07:30.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel* |
| 07:31.07 | MoeIcenowy | can kernel-power coexist with u-boot? |
| 07:31.15 | bencoh | MoeIcenowy: sure! |
| 07:31.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | it actually needs uboot |
| 07:31.33 | bencoh | KotCzarny: the thing is cssu stuff would benefit from it as well |
| 07:31.45 | bencoh | and we don't want to have cssu depend on extras |
| 07:32.05 | MoeIcenowy | there's really no one working on getting shadowsocks work on N900... |
| 07:32.24 | bencoh | neither did we want extras to depend on cssu thus far |
| 07:32.26 | KotCzarny | bencoh, sure, its even better place, because would coerce users to move to cssu |
| 07:32.27 | MoeIcenowy | maybe because shadowsocks is a program usually useful inside PRC ;-) |
| 07:32.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: nothing wrong with providing libssl1x via both maemo-extras and CSSU |
| 07:32.45 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: maybe |
| 07:34.00 | bencoh | could be asolution indeed |
| 07:34.32 | KotCzarny | still, you should have packages ready for submission |
| 07:34.43 | KotCzarny | then you can worry where to submit |
| 07:35.19 | bencoh | krkr |
| 07:35.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | the nice thing is even: you don't need to build it locally for CSSU when maemo-extras autobuilder can do that for you |
| 07:35.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | just copy |
| 07:36.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | or do we have an autobuilder for CSSU now? |
| 07:36.48 | bencoh | we dont |
| 07:36.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 07:37.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | so make a maemo-extras-devel libssl1x and we can push it to maemo-extras in no time |
| 07:39.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | then just the git wizards do some include-blabla magic to import the package into CSSU whenever a package needs it |
| 07:41.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/import the package/import the SSL package/ |
| 07:44.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | look, libssl1x for sure isn't in the maemo-PR metapackage, so it's perfectly feasible to provide it via maemo-extras |
| 07:44.56 | bencoh | yeah |
| 07:47.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | and actually I don't see much of a reason why CSSU can't or shouldn't depend on packages from maemo-extras. after all maemo-extras is enabled per default since IIRC PR1.2 |
| 07:48.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, we're not talking about extras-devel ;-) |
| 07:50.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr12 |
| 07:50.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.2 |
| 07:50.49 | infobot | hmm... pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 07:50.50 | sicelo | MoeIcenowy: i think for breaking through GFW, you can build openvpn with XOR patch. works good on N900 |
| 07:51.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.3 |
| 07:51.10 | infobot | i heard pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 07:51.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.4 |
| 07:51.16 | infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject |
| 07:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.5 |
| 07:51.22 | infobot | ACTION beats docscrutinizer05 with a Nostradamus papercopy 53.8 times. "That's your PR1.5!" |
| 07:52.45 | bencoh | :D |
| 07:57.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.5 |
| 07:57.03 | infobot | ACTION beats docscrutinizer05 with a Nostradamus papercopy 54.9 times. "That's your PR1.5!" |
| 07:57.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.5 |
| 07:57.20 | infobot | ACTION beats docscrutinizer05 with a Nostradamus papercopy 75.3 times. "That's your PR1.5!" |
| 07:57.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | consequent :-) |
| 07:59.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather consistent (sorry, false friend) |
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| 09:46.53 | sixwheeledbeast | ~pr1.3.1 |
| 09:46.54 | infobot | combined is, like, the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/, or http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/ |
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| 11:30.24 | n90043ww4 | hello |
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| 11:32.03 | n90043ww4 | hey does someone know if there is a hotspot app for maemo that does not need power kernel ? |
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| 15:01.10 | sicelo | answer for him would have been a No, right? |
| 15:01.30 | sicelo | is there a hotspot application for Maemo that can do better than WEP? |
| 15:02.08 | KotCzarny | i think the answer is no because there is no support for hostapd/master mode? |
| 15:03.30 | sicelo | unfortunate |
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| 20:12.11 | gry | In the vm, osso-xterm is not in the repositories. Which application catalogue should I add? |
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| 21:18.37 | sixwheeledbeast | the vm? as in the sdk? you can't install xterm in the sdk IIRC |
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| 22:05.31 | bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: I guess you could add the x86 version of the nokia repo (or mirror) |
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