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| 15:52.00 | warfare | Everything going down now. |
| 15:57.15 | L29Ah | no |
| 15:57.29 | kerio | D: |
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| 16:35.13 | freemangordon | Android_808: hi! |
| 16:35.25 | freemangordon | I managed to build h-d, finally :) |
| 16:35.32 | Android_808 | hi, finally got home |
| 16:35.47 | freemangordon | in devuan VM. Now I am building it in devuan on allwinner tablet |
| 16:36.21 | freemangordon | Android_808: how to setup theme for h-d to use? I installed alpha theme, but h-d didn;t pick it up |
| 16:37.04 | Android_808 | I', just going over it at the moment. Apparently it still builds with the Mer hack in place :) I'm reverting the hack now. |
| 16:37.22 | freemangordon | ok |
| 16:37.50 | freemangordon | Android_808: I made 2 pull requests, please merge |
| 16:38.26 | Android_808 | Try symlink /usr/share/themes/alpha to /usr/share/themes/default. |
| 16:38.43 | freemangordon | Android_808: tried it, nothing |
| 16:39.21 | KotCzarny | fmg: run h-d via strace? |
| 16:39.29 | KotCzarny | should be doable on that tablet |
| 16:39.41 | KotCzarny | grep 'open' |
| 16:39.46 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: I tried that in the VM |
| 16:40.54 | Android_808 | Whats the output when running through the console, if I remember it has something to do with backgrounds not being found. |
| 16:41.07 | freemangordon | yes, it cannot find pvr files |
| 16:41.24 | freemangordon | but that should not be a reason for missing switcher button image |
| 16:42.53 | Android_808 | Ok, copy the background[1-4].png to ~/.backgrounds |
| 16:43.07 | freemangordon | ok |
| 16:44.02 | Android_808 | Wouldn't even start for me without those in place. |
| 16:45.52 | Android_808 | any luck? |
| 16:46.06 | freemangordon | just a second |
| 16:47.20 | freemangordon | Android_808: no such files in alpha theme, shall I use the ones from n900? |
| 16:48.32 | Android_808 | I know I copied them in from somewhere, one sec |
| 16:51.05 | Android_808 | alpha package, /usr/share/themes/alpha/backgrounds/ called background1.png, background2.png by the looks of it |
| 16:51.49 | freemangordon | weird, I have files called "wallpaper", not background |
| 16:52.10 | freemangordon | I just pulled alpha package from maemo repos |
| 16:55.24 | freemangordon | Android_808: also, this is x86, that might be the reason it starts at all |
| 16:55.36 | freemangordon | checks in SB |
| 16:56.21 | freemangordon | no background1.png in SB too |
| 16:57.26 | Android_808 | whoops, yeah wallpaper[1-4].png. wallpaper in theme, background-[1-4].png in ~/.backgrounds |
| 16:57.55 | Android_808 | From hildon-theme-alpha_9.1+0m5_all.deb |
| 16:58.08 | freemangordon | I copied those from the device :) |
| 16:58.53 | freemangordon | looks way better now, but task switcher button is still pink :) |
| 16:59.37 | freemangordon | "could not find icon tasklaunch..." |
| 17:00.13 | Android_808 | There is a backgrounds...service for want of a better phrase that I don't have running yet that populates the hildon-home dialogs IIRC. Maybe that copies current theme wallpaper over. |
| 17:01.01 | freemangordon | could be |
| 17:01.11 | freemangordon | any idea where are the icons? |
| 17:02.19 | freemangordon | hmm, in theme it seems |
| 17:02.25 | freemangordon | but h-d cannot find it |
| 17:06.17 | Android_808 | what was the full path? |
| 17:09.10 | freemangordon | no path, just tasklaunch_default_application |
| 17:09.21 | freemangordon | I guess this is icon |
| 17:11.51 | Android_808 | that doesn't sound quite right for task switcher. try mkdir /etc/hildon, then ln -s "/usr/share/themes/default" '/etc/hildon/theme' |
| 17:12.54 | Android_808 | I know I don't have icon theme installed so its defo not that. |
| 17:13.26 | freemangordon | ok |
| 17:15.19 | freemangordon | looks better now :) |
| 17:18.37 | freemangordon | Android_808: any idea how to run h-d on ARM with SW rendering? |
| 17:20.20 | Android_808 | Right, both them commands are part of theme-config/theme-default-settings/theme-default-settings-[variant]. The nokia binaries release is only a postinst script, as mentioned the other day. I have literally just upped a copy to my repo of it repackaged. not 100% sure if i can do this but all it does it set up symlinks. All we need to do later is change the default theme name when we have a gtk3 ready theme. |
| 17:20.47 | freemangordon | ok |
| 17:20.52 | Android_808 | er... |
| 17:25.57 | Android_808 | Not 100%. I'm gonna guess it would need mesa with gles support and gallium drivers. |
| 17:26.50 | freemangordon | ok, installing libgl1-mesa-swx11 seems to fix it |
| 17:27.18 | freemangordon | but now I have "libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate" and the segfault :( |
| 17:27.55 | KotCzarny | that's in vm or on tablet? |
| 17:28.08 | freemangordon | tablet |
| 17:28.19 | freemangordon | in vm there is no problem |
| 17:29.28 | KotCzarny | it looks like a common problem with mesa/arm |
| 17:29.41 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 17:30.39 | KotCzarny | try reinstalling mesa packages? |
| 17:30.55 | freemangordon | es2gears starts without problem |
| 17:31.03 | Android_808 | There's a bit on https://pi3d.github.io/html/FAQ.html with same error |
| 17:31.04 | KotCzarny | or check what libEGL.so.1 and libGLESv2.so.2 points to |
| 17:31.20 | freemangordon | so segfault seems unrelated, lets see what gdb says |
| 17:32.38 | bencoh | (is suppose techstaff is working on infra?) |
| 17:33.12 | Android_808 | another suggests removing libgles2-mesa |
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| 17:34.48 | freemangordon | Android_808: that will remove clutter :) |
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| 17:38.03 | Android_808 | unfortunately I don't have *any* devices to actually test on at the moment so I only use x86_64 VM Stretch image, running x86_64 Jessie in nspawn container or an Eee 1000 running a x86 Stretch nspawn. |
| 17:38.19 | KotCzarny | check what libs ldd shows? |
| 17:40.52 | Android_808 | What are the tablet specs or make&model |
| 17:41.04 | KotCzarny | q8 clone |
| 17:41.10 | KotCzarny | allwinner a33 based |
| 17:41.22 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 17:41.38 | freemangordon | it has mali GPU, but I was hoping to run it without HW accell |
| 17:44.11 | KotCzarny | unfortunatelly none of the arm 3D chips have open source or at least mainline driver (afair) |
| 17:45.35 | Wizzup | freedreno has one |
| 17:45.43 | Wizzup | so for adreno gpu's |
| 17:45.52 | Wizzup | but it doesn't matter much if you're just using it as test/dev device |
| 17:46.01 | Wizzup | as in, then you don't necessarily need a foss one (would be nice) |
| 17:47.27 | KotCzarny | wizzup, i think there isnt even an unofficial patch for mali |
| 17:47.51 | KotCzarny | (but i might be wrong) |
| 17:50.17 | Android_808 | Can you force X11 to load llvm driver? |
| 17:50.38 | NotKit | what about LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1? |
| 17:50.45 | NotKit | with MESA installed |
| 17:51.13 | freemangordon | will try both |
| 17:53.17 | freemangordon | NotKit: renderer is already SW - "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa X11" |
| 17:55.40 | NotKit | could you try LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose? |
| 17:56.07 | freemangordon | changes nothing |
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| 18:06.32 | Wizzup | it should say llvmpipe as renderer |
| 18:06.44 | Wizzup | some distros should allow you to switch between backend |
| 18:08.02 | NotKit | with LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose it should display what driver library MESA is trying to load, if MESA is used |
| 18:09.17 | freemangordon | Wizzup: I don;t see llvmpipe at all here |
| 18:09.20 | Android_808 | freemangordon: forgot to say, merged your commits. Added another to revert the Mer changes. |
| 18:09.46 | freemangordon | great |
| 18:09.56 | freemangordon | Wizzup: how to install that, any idea? |
| 18:10.31 | Wizzup | freemangordon: let me look around for a bit |
| 18:11.08 | freemangordon | ok |
| 18:11.33 | Wizzup | does glxinfo give you anything? |
| 18:11.47 | Wizzup | glxinfo | grep renderer ; glxinfo | grep version |
| 18:11.52 | freemangordon | sure, lots of stuff |
| 18:11.59 | Wizzup | what does it say for renderer? |
| 18:12.00 | freemangordon | renderer is mesa |
| 18:12.02 | Wizzup | hm |
| 18:12.37 | freemangordon | Wizzup: "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa X11" |
| 18:13.17 | Wizzup | ok |
| 18:13.25 | freemangordon | Wizzup: apt-get install llvm-dev? |
| 18:13.26 | KotCzarny | maybe jessie's mesa isnt compiled with it? |
| 18:13.42 | Wizzup | I am tryin to find out if that can be found out by looking at the libs |
| 18:14.10 | freemangordon | should I install gallium driver? |
| 18:14.17 | Wizzup | https://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2015/07/msg00038.html this seems somewhat relevant |
| 18:14.49 | Wizzup | (still digging) |
| 18:15.31 | Wizzup | It should at least say llvmpipe if you're using that, so I think right now you don't have it |
| 18:15.44 | Android_808 | I can't see llvmpipe in arm packages, so you may need to rebuild mesa |
| 18:15.46 | freemangordon | seems like |
| 18:15.51 | Wizzup | That would be quite annoying |
| 18:15.52 | KotCzarny | funnily ubuntu bug that made them disable it shows just that error msg |
| 18:15.53 | KotCzarny | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1260068 |
| 18:15.55 | freemangordon | cool :) |
| 18:16.00 | Wizzup | Wondering if I can just give you my mesa... |
| 18:16.22 | freemangordon | Wizzup: armhf? |
| 18:16.24 | Wizzup | yep |
| 18:16.39 | KotCzarny | so maybe its enabled, but something is messed up in os |
| 18:16.54 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: no, it is disabled because of unity |
| 18:17.18 | KotCzarny | error msg is the same (and segfault too ;) |
| 18:17.28 | Wizzup | https://wizzup.org/mesa.tar.bz2 may be worth a shot. |
| 18:17.34 | Wizzup | It's from my armhf chromebook |
| 18:17.45 | Wizzup | Otherwise, maybe we can get parazyd to build it |
| 18:18.03 | Wizzup | devuan should not care about unity |
| 18:18.13 | freemangordon | Wizzup: just extract that in /? |
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| 18:18.25 | Wizzup | freemangordon: well, I don't know if that is sensible, but you could. |
| 18:18.33 | freemangordon | ok |
| 18:18.43 | Wizzup | maybe back up some things it may override |
| 18:18.56 | Wizzup | again, this is from my gentoo laptop, so it may work, but it may also not work, or things may be in a different place |
| 18:19.08 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 18:19.13 | Wizzup | freemangordon: on unrelated note, how did you extract the firmware from your android? |
| 18:19.20 | Wizzup | I want to move forward on the tablet tonight |
| 18:19.31 | freemangordon | Wizzup: with the extractor, but it didn't work :) |
| 18:19.35 | Wizzup | Apparently my tablet is also q8, so maybe I can just try something that you have? |
| 18:19.41 | freemangordon | so I found TS FW over the inet |
| 18:19.43 | Wizzup | Aha. I was thinking of rooting the android / install a shell |
| 18:19.52 | freemangordon | Wizzup: adb does the job |
| 18:19.56 | Wizzup | ah. right. |
| 18:19.56 | Android_808 | do you have a link for the tablet? |
| 18:20.14 | Wizzup | Android_808: I only have a link to the shop I got mine, and I cannot say for sure it'll work yet. |
| 18:20.22 | Wizzup | but it's this one: http://www.plesio.bg/tableti-c-69981200/turbo-x-twister-iv-ips-ablet-7-wifi-black-p-314802.html |
| 18:20.43 | Wizzup | freemangordon: idea .... tar tf the tar |
| 18:20.54 | Wizzup | copy all the paths in the tar, as in backup it |
| 18:20.56 | Wizzup | so, ehm... |
| 18:21.14 | Wizzup | tar cjf debian-mesa-maybe.tar.bz2 $(tar tf mesa.tar.bz2) |
| 18:21.22 | Wizzup | that might work? at least to save any devuan things |
| 18:21.38 | Wizzup | (may need to add a / to the paths) |
| 18:21.48 | Wizzup | in any case, if you don't care about the image, you can just go ahead and try it right away |
| 18:21.58 | Wizzup | or perhaps use some LD_LIBRARY_PATH hack, idk |
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| 18:24.13 | freemangordon | Wizzup: won;t work, as lib paths are different here |
| 18:24.18 | freemangordon | will try LD_PRELOAD |
| 18:24.27 | Wizzup | what are the lib paths? |
| 18:24.54 | freemangordon | /usr/lib/arm.... |
| 18:25.00 | Wizzup | I see |
| 18:25.23 | freemangordon | also, thre is no mesa dir at all, just dri |
| 18:25.36 | Wizzup | there must be a libGL at least |
| 18:25.38 | parazyd | Wizzup: let's continue here. what mesa version? waht's up? |
| 18:25.42 | Wizzup | I think all the important libs are in /usr/lib (in my tar), so LD_LIBRARY_PATH may just work |
| 18:25.55 | Wizzup | parazyd: would be nice if the mesa packaged in devuan has llvmpipe enabled |
| 18:26.00 | Wizzup | it's the much-faster software renderer |
| 18:26.18 | Wizzup | That way one can get somewhat usable opengl without gpu/drivers |
| 18:26.18 | freemangordon | parazyd: for armhf that is |
| 18:26.46 | parazyd | i'll see what i can do |
| 18:27.06 | parazyd | not sure if it can end up in jessie quickly, but i can give you a .dev |
| 18:27.08 | parazyd | .deb |
| 18:27.24 | freemangordon | will help a lot |
| 18:28.05 | parazyd | it's this one? libegl1-mesa |
| 18:28.16 | parazyd | sry |
| 18:28.20 | Wizzup | It's the one that contains libGL I think |
| 18:28.21 | parazyd | 10.3.2-1+deb8u1 |
| 18:28.32 | parazyd | ok |
| 18:29.01 | Wizzup | libegl is not a gl implementation library, but a way of using opengl that supports opengles, iirc |
| 18:29.18 | Wizzup | libGLES are the ones that implement opengles |
| 18:29.29 | Wizzup | freemangordon: actually, do you need opengl or opengles? |
| 18:29.40 | freemangordon | I thing gles2 |
| 18:30.46 | Wizzup | Let me compile eglinfo and friends as well |
| 18:31.32 | Wizzup | (those are actually useful tools) |
| 18:31.37 | Android_808 | line 96 in debian/rules of Jessie package disables llvmpipe for armhf |
| 18:31.42 | Android_808 | of mesa |
| 18:32.05 | Wizzup | freemangordon: the devuan image that you're using for the tablet, is it the one I downloaded at some point, for the n900? Or where did you get it from? |
| 18:32.14 | Wizzup | Or it is just a rootfs, and then your own u-boot+kernel image |
| 18:32.15 | parazyd | Android_808: just looking at it :) |
| 18:32.16 | freemangordon | Wizzup: the one for n900 |
| 18:32.20 | Wizzup | ok |
| 18:32.33 | parazyd | comment: # Do not build llvmpipe for armhf, it regresses compared to the classic swrast. |
| 18:32.35 | Wizzup | I need to go in a bit, but will take my tablet with me, hoping I can make it all work tonight |
| 18:32.37 | parazyd | freemangordon: ^^ |
| 18:32.41 | Wizzup | parazyd: it regresses for unity |
| 18:32.46 | parazyd | O.o |
| 18:32.48 | Wizzup | you don't care about unity |
| 18:32.51 | Wizzup | parazyd: also, what mesa does devuan ship? |
| 18:32.58 | parazyd | 10.3.2 |
| 18:33.03 | Wizzup | hm, that is very old |
| 18:33.18 | parazyd | that's what you get with debian |
| 18:33.18 | freemangordon | parazyd: well, swrast segfaults, what llvmpipe does then? |
| 18:33.21 | parazyd | >stable |
| 18:33.29 | Wizzup | freemangordon: once I have that tablet image up, I can see if I can use my gentoo mesa and make it work for us for now |
| 18:33.38 | freemangordon | Wizzup: ok |
| 18:33.40 | Wizzup | I might but you about that a few more times today |
| 18:33.44 | Wizzup | did you solder serial on it? |
| 18:33.48 | freemangordon | no |
| 18:33.50 | Wizzup | ok |
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| 18:35.13 | freemangordon | what is weird is that es2_gears work |
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| 18:38.41 | Wizzup | freemangordon: and eglinfo ? |
| 18:38.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: good luck! |
| 18:39.56 | freemangordon | Wizzup: no eglinfo here, only es2_info |
| 18:41.00 | Wizzup | can I execute hardfp binaries on the n900, or will that just not work because of libc and such? |
| 18:41.30 | freemangordon | Wizzup: in maemo? |
| 18:41.41 | Wizzup | yeah |
| 18:41.46 | freemangordon | hardly |
| 18:41.48 | Wizzup | ok |
| 18:42.10 | xes | #Maintenance Update: we are still alive ;) |
| 18:42.11 | Wizzup | oh, hang on, I didn't update the tar well. |
| 18:42.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: really? |
| 18:42.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | 5 min ago "no connection" |
| 18:43.08 | warfare | DocScrutinizer05: alive as in "the hardware is working" |
| 18:43.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah :-) |
| 18:43.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | great! |
| 18:43.26 | Wizzup | freemangordon: https://wizzup.org/mesa-progs.tar.bz2 contains recent mesa-tools |
| 18:43.48 | Wizzup | mine says: |
| 18:43.48 | Wizzup | $ es2_info | grep RENDER |
| 18:43.48 | Wizzup | libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate |
| 18:43.48 | Wizzup | GL_RENDERER: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.7, 128 bits) |
| 18:44.04 | freemangordon | ok |
| 18:44.07 | Wizzup | so: llvmpipe can do opengles2 |
| 18:44.09 | freemangordon | will test later, gtg now |
| 18:44.10 | freemangordon | night |
| 18:44.12 | Wizzup | ack :) |
| 18:44.13 | Wizzup | ttyl |
| 18:45.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | since only x-fade has +f ( :-/ ) would you please ping me as soon as any news re servers and /topic ? |
| 18:45.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | or wait, even simpler |
| 18:45.28 | *** mode/#maemo [+o warfare] by ChanServ |
| 18:45.35 | *** mode/#maemo [+o xes] by ChanServ |
| 18:46.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway maybe pinging me is simpler, I got the full history of topic in buffer |
| 18:46.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | a matter of seconds to restore previous versions |
| 19:07.50 | Wizzup | freemangordon: when you get back, I presume you built the u-boot according to this page - http://linux-sunxi.org/ET_Q8_V2.0 ? |
| 19:08.50 | Wizzup | also wondering if the tablet will boot from sd by default, I guess it should, if they used mmc0 for the sd card |
| 19:10.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: still depends on hw setting of BOOTP[5:0](?) |
| 19:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's quite a number of options to select from, there |
| 19:12.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900 will boot from mmc0 only if there's no working xloader in NAND |
| 19:13.28 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: talking about some allwinner tablet |
| 19:13.35 | Wizzup | (that we will use for hildon porting |
| 19:13.37 | Wizzup | ) |
| 19:17.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know |
| 19:17.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I'm not aware this is another CPU, so nevernind |
| 19:17.41 | Wizzup | the typical boot order for allwinner is something like mmc0,nand,mmc2,spi-flash or something |
| 19:17.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, ok |
| 19:17.54 | Wizzup | I just wonder what slot the sd card is hooked up to (mmc0 or mmc2) |
| 19:19.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | sentimentally thinks back to "porting maemo to other devices? No way, noob!" - we should have been less arrogant ;-) |
| 19:21.22 | gry | ~down |
| 19:21.22 | infobot | it has been said that down is "SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. | Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page |
| 19:21.36 | gry | ok |
| 19:22.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | gry: service is hoz |
| 19:22.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hot* |
| 19:23.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-11-26 Sat 19:42:10] <xes> #Maintenance Update: we are still alive ;) |
| 19:26.21 | gry | aha |
| 19:30.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | gry: warfare is just giving a helping hand to the hardware in datacenter |
| 19:33.10 | gry | sounds good.. pics please, would be lovely to see the hardware itself :) |
| 19:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: ^^^ :-D |
| 19:40.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: how far were your XEN updates when blade-b went south? |
| 19:43.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | gry: I'm afraid it might already be too late, I guess warfare accomplished the hardware related part |
| 19:47.16 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: both blades are up and running. Blade-b has already received the updates of last week, blade-a is one week behind and will need another reboot. Now I'm importing the blade-b VMs into the new Xen 4.6 hypervisor and fixing what need to be retouched |
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| 19:52.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: warfare: many many thanks! |
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| 20:09.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol! https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/1427 |
| 20:12.00 | parazyd | !#$@ i hate debian package layout/system |
| 20:14.12 | enyc | parazyd: howso/whyso? |
| 20:14.15 | Android_808 | lol |
| 20:14.26 | parazyd | enyc: it's annoying and bloated |
| 20:16.54 | parazyd | why can't it be more like alpine/gentoo/arch |
| 20:19.25 | bencoh | meh, tomato/tomaydo :) |
| 20:21.38 | parazyd | freemangordon: Wizzup: building mesa now... could take a while, since non-native |
| 20:21.52 | parazyd | also hopes he got the flags correct |
| 20:25.23 | Android_808 | freemangordon: hildon-desktop - new commit. hildon-status-menu - updated to use hildon-3. status-menu-applet-profiles - finally commited gtk3 port. Won't build without osso-profiles-l10n-public though. |
| 20:35.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | l10n ouch! The one package where Nokia has copyright issues with their own translators or whatever been the reason for this mess |
| 20:36.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 20:37.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* timeless provided alternatives, prolly in sourcecode |
| 20:37.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, maybe I'm mixing that with i18n |
| 20:40.39 | parazyd | omg, copyrighting translations |
| 20:42.14 | enyc | parazyd: whats does the extra bloat implement featurewise? |
| 20:42.36 | parazyd | enyc: i really don't know. have you seen what debian source packages look like? |
| 20:43.03 | Android_808 | well, it built before so I'll see what happens if I just remove the build-dep |
| 20:44.55 | enyc | parazyd: very varied |
| 20:45.08 | enyc | parazyd: debian/ directory added to (whatever) source package |
| 20:45.13 | parazyd | yeah |
| 20:45.30 | enyc | parazyd: lots of debhelper variants and options possible, big history to this =)) |
| 20:45.32 | parazyd | in my book, a single file always wins over that directory which is full of stuff |
| 20:45.54 | parazyd | very complicated as well |
| 20:47.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are pros and downsides for each approach. See the increasing number of /etc/*.d/* for example |
| 20:47.58 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: what does .d have to do with that? |
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| 20:48.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | editing a small file dedicated exclusively to one purpose, on a zoo of files - way simpler than doing same in one large file that concatenates all that stuff |
| 20:49.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. /etc/crontab vs /etc/cron.d/* |
| 20:49.33 | parazyd | i wouldn't compare it like that though |
| 20:49.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the latter cp, mv, rm, are sufficient, for the former you need nifty sed jobs |
| 20:49.55 | parazyd | i'm just comparing it to other (binary) package managers |
| 20:53.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind my rant though, i'm a) not competent regarding debian (or any) packages, and b) I actually find the apt and friends tools rather complicated |
| 20:54.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I however like to have a look into *.deb or whatever they're named, by simply opening them in an archiver like Ark or even in mc |
| 21:02.16 | freemangordon | Wizzup: well, I just did git clone, make $some_config and then make |
| 21:02.30 | freemangordon | Android_808: ok, going to pull |
| 21:04.23 | Android_808 | I was wrong about the l10n deb, its a depend not a build depend. I've replaced my Mer profiled now but somewhere along the way I've lost my status-menu actually displaying anything in the drop down menu :( |
| 21:04.24 | Wizzup | freemangordon: right, so the q8 defconfig as on the wiki |
| 21:04.34 | Wizzup | and the kernel I guess is just v7defconfig, or sunxi defconfig? |
| 21:04.41 | freemangordon | most probably, can't remember |
| 21:04.52 | freemangordon | sunxi_defconfig |
| 21:04.54 | Wizzup | freemangordon: and it auto boots from sd card due to boot prio? |
| 21:05.06 | freemangordon | I am booting through fel |
| 21:05.11 | Wizzup | ok |
| 21:05.16 | Wizzup | with sdcard as rootfs |
| 21:05.32 | freemangordon | remember to enable USB OTG, TS, etc |
| 21:05.39 | freemangordon | not enable in sunxi_defconfig |
| 21:06.10 | Wizzup | mainline kernel I presume. and for u-boot, I guess q8_a33_tablet_1024x600_defconfig |
| 21:06.15 | freemangordon | also, for wifi I had to find out-of-tree driver, my tablet is with some weird RTL chip |
| 21:06.21 | Wizzup | ok |
| 21:06.33 | freemangordon | Wizzup: lemme see if I can find which config I used |
| 21:06.42 | parazyd | Wizzup: would you mind taking notes of the kernel build? |
| 21:06.51 | parazyd | Wizzup: i can include the tablet as a board in arm-sdk then |
| 21:07.04 | Wizzup | parazyd: yeah, although I presume I'll be doing kernel boards more often, and it's not a super-easy to get tablet I think |
| 21:07.24 | parazyd | what do you mean? |
| 21:07.49 | parazyd | i'm only providing a minimal rootfs for now, not worrying with X yet |
| 21:07.50 | freemangordon | Wizzup: "make CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- q8_a33_tablet_1024x600_defconfig" |
| 21:07.53 | Wizzup | that I can also document it a bit later, but I'll keep track of it, but it mostly seems simple |
| 21:08.02 | Wizzup | freemangordon: ack, I am arm native so don't need the cross compile |
| 21:08.03 | Wizzup | thanks! |
| 21:08.07 | Wizzup | Let's see how far I can get |
| 21:08.25 | freemangordon | Wizzup: better try with fel first IMO |
| 21:08.31 | parazyd | Wizzup: yep i guess it's mostly like all other allwinner stuff |
| 21:08.31 | Wizzup | ok |
| 21:08.37 | Wizzup | I figured out what button the fel mode is |
| 21:08.37 | NotKit | what's needed for x86_64 build in case of Intel tablet? |
| 21:08.52 | Wizzup | parazyd: it seems identical to most allwinner stuff, except that I didn't try lcd screens before on allwinner |
| 21:09.02 | Wizzup | but I guess if they connected the lcd pins correctly, few things could go wrong |
| 21:09.02 | freemangordon | Wizzup: sudo ../sunxi-tools/sunxi-fel -v -p uboot u-boot-sunxi-with-spl.bin write 0x46000000 zImage write 0x49000000 sun8i-a33-q8-tablet.dtb write 0x43100000 boot.scr |
| 21:09.04 | Wizzup | (famous last words) |
| 21:09.10 | Wizzup | thanks! that *is* useful |
| 21:09.11 | parazyd | :D |
| 21:09.32 | freemangordon | NotKit: build of what? |
| 21:10.05 | parazyd | Wizzup: try sun8i_defconfig instead of sunxi_defconfig for the kernel then |
| 21:10.34 | freemangordon | Wizzup: actually ^^^ might be the config I am using for kernel build |
| 21:10.47 | freemangordon | can't remember :) |
| 21:11.07 | parazyd | well if uboot says so... :) |
| 21:12.07 | NotKit | Hildon UI |
| 21:14.37 | freemangordon | NotKit: the same as for ARM |
| 21:14.49 | Wizzup | freemangordon: kernel 4.8 or 4.9-rc ? |
| 21:14.56 | freemangordon | 4.9-rc6 |
| 21:14.58 | Wizzup | ack |
| 21:15.20 | freemangordon | you'll need to tweak dts as well |
| 21:16.12 | Wizzup | for the display, or for buttons? |
| 21:16.43 | freemangordon | Wizzup: http://pastebin.com/ydYD49qw |
| 21:16.55 | freemangordon | fot TS and for wifi, maybe |
| 21:17.08 | Wizzup | ok, so (initially) non essential |
| 21:17.41 | freemangordon | that chinese lady said she has more thing on her kernel branch, but I didn't play with it |
| 21:17.48 | freemangordon | *things |
| 21:18.05 | Wizzup | I recall audio and video |
| 21:18.09 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 21:18.16 | Wizzup | building u-boot atm |
| 21:18.25 | Wizzup | any clue if you can hard force-off your tablet? In case something hangs |
| 21:18.31 | Wizzup | presumably just holding the power button... |
| 21:18.38 | freemangordon | press-n-hold power button |
| 21:18.47 | freemangordon | thoug, if it is in fel mode dunno |
| 21:19.03 | freemangordon | but I was told those are unbrickable |
| 21:19.25 | Wizzup | I opened it up, so I can always remove the battery |
| 21:19.33 | freemangordon | well :) |
| 21:19.37 | Wizzup | https://wizzup.org/tablet.jpg |
| 21:20.14 | freemangordon | oh, the same RTL chip if i see it correctly |
| 21:20.50 | parazyd | which one is it? |
| 21:21.22 | freemangordon | the one with the cancer on it IMO |
| 21:21.35 | freemangordon | bottom-left |
| 21:21.35 | parazyd | :D |
| 21:22.05 | parazyd | yeah, but is it for wireless networking? |
| 21:22.17 | parazyd | so i'm wondering that model number |
| 21:22.46 | freemangordon | RTL8723AS |
| 21:22.57 | parazyd | thanks |
| 21:22.58 | freemangordon | mine is with RTL8723BS |
| 21:23.31 | freemangordon | hmm, or not |
| 21:23.53 | freemangordon | it is RTL, but I am not reading the nubler very well with my aging eyes |
| 21:23.57 | freemangordon | *number |
| 21:25.36 | parazyd | it could be BS (no pun intended) |
| 21:25.40 | parazyd | because bluetooth |
| 21:26.11 | freemangordon | could be |
| 21:26.40 | parazyd | no sorry i'm wrong. AS also has bluetooth |
| 21:27.21 | parazyd | geez this mesa is taking forever |
| 21:27.49 | freemangordon | well... no option but to wait |
| 21:28.30 | Wizzup | freemangordon: silly question, would it take a long time to make a copy or your image? |
| 21:29.03 | Wizzup | hm, nvm, I'll work with the sunxi people first to get info that I need |
| 21:29.03 | freemangordon | Wizzup: just you what I provided back then |
| 21:29.05 | Wizzup | ok |
| 21:29.09 | Wizzup | great |
| 21:29.10 | Wizzup | :) |
| 21:29.19 | freemangordon | this is what I use |
| 21:29.21 | Wizzup | cool |
| 21:29.23 | freemangordon | well, almos |
| 21:29.35 | freemangordon | can;t do it now, as it is mounted as / :) |
| 21:29.59 | Wizzup | hehe |
| 21:35.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ tmo back |
| 21:36.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | wiki.maemo.org back |
| 21:37.21 | parazyd | yay |
| 21:39.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | might need yet another boot, or two, I don't know |
| 21:39.58 | parazyd | doing upgrades? |
| 21:40.58 | parazyd | ~down |
| 21:40.58 | infobot | hmm... down is "SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. | Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page |
| 21:41.04 | parazyd | mmm |
| 21:51.24 | Android_808 | freemangordon: do you have correct output from profileclient -l in vm? |
| 21:52.46 | freemangordon | Android_808: no idea, I am tryind to make h-d run on the tablet |
| 21:53.54 | Android_808 | ok. just trying to work out what screwed up the status menu. getting lots of "Failed to connect to socket /tmp/session_bus_socket: No such file or directory" |
| 21:56.13 | freemangordon | dbus crashed? |
| 22:01.19 | Android_808 | no. Preventing /etc/osso-af-init/dbus-sessionbus.sh running seems to clear that one up but still haven't got profiles listed. |
| 22:03.34 | freemangordon | parazyd: did it build? |
| 22:05.27 | parazyd | freemangordon: it's building 3 different things (i got the source package and made it do llvmpipe) |
| 22:05.32 | parazyd | i think it's now at the second one |
| 22:05.47 | parazyd | sorry for the slowness, it's non-native on only two cores |
| 22:06.27 | parazyd | freemangordon: what touchscreen driver are you using btw? |
| 22:06.28 | freemangordon | ah, no problem |
| 22:06.39 | freemangordon | upstream |
| 22:06.53 | freemangordon | silead |
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| 22:07.25 | parazyd | ah ok. because i was mentioning that de*an tslib is bad |
| 22:07.33 | parazyd | you end up needing to compile your own |
| 22:08.51 | freemangordon | parazyd: i compiled the kernel anyways |
| 22:09.44 | parazyd | without editing the config or yes? |
| 22:10.14 | freemangordon | it is disabled by default |
| 22:10.21 | freemangordon | in sunxi_defconfig |
| 22:10.40 | parazyd | noted. asking because this is a good opportunity to add another board to arm-sdk :) |
| 22:12.14 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 22:13.24 | Android_808 | freemangordon: giving up for today. i've been so busy building the osso-*/userland files I'm not even sure when it got broken. if you get it running on the tablet, if would be nice if you could post a photo on tmo. |
| 22:13.38 | freemangordon | ok |
| 22:22.51 | Wizzup | freemangordon: got u-boot, now kernel |
| 22:23.01 | freemangordon | good :) |
| 22:23.05 | Wizzup | now building kernel |
| 22:23.51 | Wizzup | I see no sun8i_defconfig |
| 22:24.11 | Wizzup | will go for sunxi_defconfig and look at musb stuff |
| 22:24.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | WAAAAH musb |
| 22:24.52 | Wizzup | yeah... |
| 22:25.00 | parazyd | Wizzup: see a few lines up, you need to enable touchscreen support yourself |
| 22:25.00 | freemangordon | yeah... |
| 22:25.23 | Wizzup | I don't care about TS right now I think |
| 22:25.29 | Wizzup | Just want the LCD to go up and have usb keyboard |
| 22:25.34 | parazyd | :D |
| 22:42.05 | Wizzup | freemangordon: got a boot.scr for me (or boot.txt so I can make the scr) |
| 22:42.21 | freemangordon | sec |
| 22:43.09 | freemangordon | Wizzup: |
| 22:43.12 | freemangordon | setenv bootargs earlyprintk root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait panic=10 ${extra} |
| 22:43.12 | freemangordon | bootz 0x46000000 - 0x49000000 |
| 22:45.35 | Wizzup | thanks! |
| 22:45.40 | Wizzup | dd'ing image atm. |
| 22:46.52 | parazyd | Wizzup: using the devuan n900 rootfs? |
| 22:47.05 | Wizzup | dding that now |
| 22:47.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ddate |
| 22:47.26 | parazyd | yeah there is a script in /etc/profile.d/ you might want to remove |
| 22:47.30 | parazyd | n900 keymap |
| 22:47.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | cmd: Today is Setting Orange, the 38th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3182 |
| 22:48.34 | Wizzup | parazyd: hue |
| 22:51.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | "hovers over the button" to restore /topic to normal |
| 22:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: xes: awesome work, many many thanks! |
| 22:51.32 | freemangordon | r.m.o. doesn't seem to work |
| 22:51.38 | Wizzup | fafre |
| 22:51.45 | freemangordon | could be DNS issue though |
| 22:51.56 | Wizzup | freemangordon: works, got to getty |
| 22:52.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | WFM |
| 22:52.09 | Wizzup | now I need to make sure usb works the way I want it (so I can attach a keyboard) |
| 22:52.20 | Wizzup | how do you interface with the device? |
| 22:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ |
| 22:52.43 | freemangordon | Wizzup: through sshd |
| 22:53.07 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yeah |
| 22:53.15 | freemangordon | didn;t work 5 minutes ago |
| 22:53.20 | freemangordon | now is ok |
| 22:53.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey, i'm fast as lightning ;-P |
| 22:54.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | came back up [2016-11-26 Sat 23:45:02] |
| 22:55.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~> while ! wget -t 1 -T 5 monitor.maemo.org -O /dev/null; do :; done; #;-) |
| 22:56.10 | Wizzup | freemangordon: so over wifi |
| 22:57.54 | freemangordon | yes |
| 23:01.36 | Wizzup | I think I'll solder serial ;-) |
| 23:01.51 | Wizzup | would be nice to get the usb to work |
| 23:02.30 | freemangordon | Wizzup: just enable OTG and make sure you have at least one gadget driver built-in |
| 23:03.42 | Wizzup | I had all the MUSB stuff enabled, but not USB_OTG, lol |
| 23:07.50 | freemangordon | ok, enough for today, night |
| 23:07.53 | xes | # Maintenance Notice: MAEMO IS UP AND RUNNING |
| 23:07.55 | parazyd | o/ |
| 23:08.02 | parazyd | freemangordon: i'll ping you when mesa is done |
| 23:08.06 | freemangordon | parazyd: ok, thanks |
| 23:08.15 | parazyd | night |
| 23:08.50 | Wizzup | parazyd: what hw are you building on |
| 23:09.35 | parazyd | 2 core intel :/ |
| 23:09.50 | Wizzup | parazyd: I have a spare ODROID U2 |
| 23:09.55 | Wizzup | and also a spare IFC6410 |
| 23:10.01 | Wizzup | both are quad cores IIRC |
| 23:10.03 | Wizzup | 1.7Ghz |
| 23:10.05 | Wizzup | the IFC has SATA |
| 23:11.04 | parazyd | i have a bananapi router i left at bridge unfortunately |
| 23:11.12 | parazyd | that one's fast enough, but yeah... weekend :p |
| 23:11.19 | parazyd | didn't count on doing this |
| 23:11.48 | Wizzup | well, I thought you could maybe add it to the devuan build infra or whatever |
| 23:12.08 | parazyd | devuan is using qemus right now |
| 23:12.21 | parazyd | https://ci.devuan.org/ |
| 23:15.57 | Wizzup | okay |
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| 23:18.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal down |
| 23:18.48 | infobot | "#maemo down" is ""SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. | Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page" |
| 23:19.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, down is with 2016-11-27 00:19:08CET everything should be back to normal, after https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159 |
| 23:19.56 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 23:20.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~down |
| 23:20.04 | infobot | methinks down is "SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. | Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page |
| 23:20.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo down is with 2016-11-27 00:19:08CET everything should be back to normal, after https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159 |
| 23:20.27 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 23:20.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget down |
| 23:20.35 | infobot | i forgot down, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 23:21.41 | Wizzup | freemangordon: parazyd: what was the user+pass login |
| 23:21.46 | parazyd | root:toor |
| 23:21.58 | Wizzup | Yes! |
| 23:21.59 | Wizzup | :) |
| 23:22.04 | parazyd | :) |
| 23:22.06 | Wizzup | ah |
| 23:22.08 | Wizzup | it's the n900 keymap |
| 23:22.09 | Wizzup | :DDDD |
| 23:22.10 | Wizzup | herp |
| 23:22.13 | parazyd | huehue |
| 23:22.43 | Wizzup | where was that file |
| 23:22.56 | parazyd | /etc/profile.d |
| 23:23.04 | parazyd | n900-keymap.sh i think |
| 23:23.41 | *** join/#maemo hurrian (~textual@unaffiliated/rikanee) |
| 23:29.12 | Wizzup | freemangordon: keyboard/usb works (host mode) |
| 23:29.18 | Wizzup | wifi/ts can be done later :) |
| 23:32.42 | parazyd | Wizzup: how's the screen? |
| 23:32.59 | Wizzup | parazyd: in what sense |
| 23:33.08 | parazyd | is it okay to read console? |
| 23:33.42 | Wizzup | sure |
| 23:33.43 | Wizzup | worksfine |
| 23:33.46 | parazyd | cool |
| 23:33.47 | Wizzup | need to add X still though |
