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| 00:17.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | so.... late |
| 00:18.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: nobody will even notice ;-) |
| 00:19.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | also an image of a VM hardly takes longer than 2h |
| 00:20.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | tepo.m.o maybe 3 |
| 00:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | repo* |
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| 00:39.22 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: it will take all the night and maybe something more |
| 00:39.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | FFS |
| 00:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, who cares |
| 00:41.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | note that you're *strongly* supposed to have a complete backup on off-site backup chem|st implemeted since he didn't like what I offered |
| 00:42.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that's my final comment on this issue todsay, I got other way bigger fish to fry |
| 00:45.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure my offer would have made expense of ~50 nucks / month, but then you'd be 'root' on the off site storage. NFC what is the concept now# |
| 00:46.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | mot my headache either, THANK GOD!! |
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| 00:50.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | "you were supposed to handle the migration, which is done now, SO STFU anfd fuck off" - OOOO...KAY!! |
| 00:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: if you or Flak need my help, ping me in /query ! |
| 00:51.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Falk* - sorry |
| 00:55.16 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: i think everyone here knows that [maemo] can count on you |
| 01:20.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal down |
| 01:20.39 | infobot | "#maemo down" is "SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page" |
| 01:23.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo down is "SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. <xes> #Maintenance Notice: i'm going to stop stage (repository) | Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page |
| 01:23.42 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 01:23.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~down |
| 01:23.55 | infobot | down is probably "SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. <xes> #Maintenance Notice: i'm going to stop stage (repository) | Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page |
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| 06:46.01 | zZap-X | i am trying to setup a call divert on my n900 using these codes: **21*phone number where calls are to be forwarded# |
| 06:46.19 | zZap-X | however, the n900 responds with 'unknown service' |
| 06:47.46 | zZap-X | 'Service code not supported' |
| 07:07.04 | zZap-X | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ is unreachable grrr whats going on? |
| 07:10.57 | princefakhan | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159 |
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| 07:43.08 | bencoh | silly question but ... why backup/poweroff repository now if next planned maintainance should occur on the 2? |
| 07:43.20 | bencoh | 27* |
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| 08:27.29 | xes | bencoh: we need a "cold" complete (zero-thoughts) backup ready to be exported before maintenance in case something else goes south |
| 08:28.38 | bencoh | I see :) |
| 08:28.58 | bencoh | well, good luck anyway, and thanks again :) |
| 08:30.13 | xes | ;) |
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| 16:21.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: is repo up again? |
| 16:22.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: asking re /topic change |
| 16:22.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | err not topic, ~down |
| 16:24.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm nope |
| 16:24.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | or ganglia is wrong |
| 16:24.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Last heartbeat 0 days, 18:40:17 ago<< |
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| 16:32.28 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: no, sorry. Almost completed, but not yet ready |
| 16:32.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: ganglia suggests some disk full |
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| 16:33.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not entirely sure which one and if at all |
| 16:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/11/23/plasma-desktopIf2244.png |
| 16:35.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeh well, that is misleading, seems it's still some 200GB free |
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| 16:36.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | those zero-offset diagrams are a tad tricky :-) |
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| 16:43.24 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: yep. I'm moving things in a very limited space |
| 16:43.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 16:44.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | please fix ~down factoid or ping me so I may do, as soon as repo is up again |
| 16:47.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw my estimation for how long a backup might take been based on time for a xen snapshot, not applicable here for obvious reasons |
| 16:48.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW I been pretty wrong guessing a backup of a VM might take 2h |
| 16:50.59 | bencoh | well that vm is particularly huge ;) |
| 16:51.26 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: during the years stage "had" to host various ..backups |
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| 16:56.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: yup, iirc some 700+ GB |
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| 16:57.36 | bencoh | time to clean that up (once everything's back in order) maybe :) |
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| 17:00.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think there's not much to clean up in repo to reduce size. It just *is* that large :-) |
| 17:01.37 | KotCzarny | repo could USE some cleaning |
| 17:01.55 | KotCzarny | old versions arent cleaned up properly (i can see that in oscp case for example) |
| 19:11.08 | ds3 | now if the repo was on a netapp filer or something that does snapshots.... |
| 19:34.26 | zZap-X | for some reason i cannot resolve: http://repository.maemo.org/ ? |
| 19:34.32 | zZap-X | can anybody else resolve it? |
| 19:35.35 | KotCzarny | see topic? |
| 19:36.09 | zZap-X | ohhh |
| 19:37.26 | zZap-X | the link is about a coding competition? |
| 19:40.20 | zZap-X | oh your swapping hardware |
| 19:41.07 | zZap-X | i wonder if there are other mirrors in the world |
| 19:41.44 | KotCzarny | just wait few hours/days? |
| 19:41.57 | zZap-X | aye ok |
| 19:42.14 | zZap-X | all i need is the star hash function so i can divert calls |
| 19:42.21 | zZap-X | maybe i could just download the package for now |
| 20:12.51 | xes | #Maintenance Notice: stage (repository) is up and running |
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| 20:16.34 | zZap-X | awesome!!! |
| 20:16.50 | zZap-X | its back!!! |
| 20:16.56 | zZap-X | feels excited |
| 20:20.15 | zZap-X | works perfect |
| 20:29.12 | zZap-X | set up a call divert from nokia n900 to android phone for when im not using the n900 :D |
| 20:29.15 | zZap-X | works perfect |
| 20:29.31 | zZap-X | this is a bit like having 2x sims |
| 20:29.56 | zZap-X | divert is free too because both phones are on same network :D |
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| 20:54.11 | badcloud- | are the official maemo repos down? |
| 20:56.30 | badcloud- | ah sorry, just noticed topic |
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| 21:06.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo down is "SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. | Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page |
| 21:06.11 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 21:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: many thanks! |
| 21:06.56 | bencoh | <3 |
| 21:08.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~down |
| 21:08.02 | infobot | somebody said down was "SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. | Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page |
| 21:19.03 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: yw |
| 21:20.34 | bencoh | not sure I got it though ... did you migrate the vm? |
| 21:20.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | what is this "replace PSU" stuff all about? |
| 21:21.05 | bencoh | hm I guess I could read the thread |
| 21:21.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: techstaff made a full backup of repo VM |
| 21:21.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | for doing si, the VM needs to get stopped |
| 21:21.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | so* |
| 21:23.44 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: there is no detailed plan. Our kind of hardware seems to have a long story of problems. I think we will have to consider some proactive action (that at the moment is not yet possible to define) |
| 21:25.02 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: but once it's started, backup is no longer uptodate |
| 21:25.24 | bencoh | so I don't understand why you'd have to stop a vm to make a then outdated backup |
| 21:26.21 | bencoh | doing an lvm snapshot (to "freeze" device at a coherent state) and backup (dd) the resulting device would have been as good (?) |
| 21:26.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, "why do you want me to tell you about which time it is? this is constantly changing and the moment you hear what I say it'S already obsolete" ;-P |
| 21:26.48 | bencoh | I'm just trying to understand, maybe I missed something there :) |
| 21:27.01 | bencoh | (and thanks again!) |
| 21:27.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | those a VM disk images, of 700GB size |
| 21:27.26 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: so? |
| 21:27.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the general aproach and best practice is to stop the VM before you copy the VM's disk image |
| 21:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | but whatever, ask xes. I'm not involved |
| 21:29.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think when xes takes down a VM then there's sound reason for doing so |
| 21:29.31 | bencoh | 23:26 < bencoh> I'm just trying to understand, maybe I missed something there :) |
| 21:30.32 | bencoh | and I'm not the one working on it so I wouldn't blame/criticize anyway, just talking tech :) |
| 21:30.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess the point being this is an external backup (in xen host), not a backup in system of VM |
| 21:31.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | just one 700GB+ file to get copied from local storage to somewhere else |
| 21:32.27 | bencoh | btw if I were to mirror extras*/community*, how much space woud I need? 200G? |
| 21:32.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | a lvm snapshot possibly would require massive resources and not work any faster |
| 21:33.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never looked into lvm and how it manages snapshots though |
| 21:34.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway even *if* it could get done, the snapshot still would be that of a live system, not a shut down system |
| 21:34.44 | bencoh | it keeps a COW table |
| 21:35.05 | bencoh | meaning you can keep writing to device while retaining snapshot |
| 21:35.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally you need VM disk images of powered down VM |
| 21:36.02 | bencoh | (actually it is a reverse-COW table, meaning that main device will get written to, and "snap" device will result of main device + reversed-writes) |
| 21:36.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | no good style to load and start a live system into a VM |
| 21:37.08 | bencoh | anyway :) |
| 21:37.27 | bencoh | so ... how large is extras*/community*? |
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| 21:40.27 | slobber | i can't believe maemo is still alive! holy crap! |
| 21:40.46 | bencoh | it is ! <3 |
| 21:41.00 | slobber | i had an n810 back in.. 09, must've been |
| 21:41.22 | slobber | which i sold in 11 and got a wimax n810 about a year ago on a drunken night |
| 21:41.33 | KotCzarny | it didnt lose its usefulness, and planned obsolete which rules the electronics now, just sucks |
| 21:41.58 | KotCzarny | get n900, they are cheap. (assuming you like linux phone) |
| 21:42.17 | slobber | i have a moto x pure that i love getting mad at |
| 21:42.53 | slobber | also, wasn't all that happy with maemo back then |
| 21:43.10 | KotCzarny | then why did you come back? |
| 21:43.23 | xes | bencoh: ~1.4TB we need a zero-thoughts backup that could be migrated anywhere |
| 21:44.02 | bencoh | I see |
| 21:44.03 | slobber | KotCzarny: dug out my old n810, thought maybe i'd give it another try |
| 21:44.05 | slobber | somehow |
| 21:44.19 | slobber | last i looked into it the repos were dead or something? |
| 21:44.20 | KotCzarny | do you use it as audio player? |
| 21:44.30 | KotCzarny | see topic regarding repos and maemo.org in general |
| 21:44.31 | bencoh | slobber: nokia's repo are |
| 21:44.32 | slobber | no, should i be? i have a fiio i'm pretty ok with |
| 21:44.40 | slobber | ok topic is gonna be super helpful |
| 21:44.48 | KotCzarny | ie. maintenance |
| 21:44.52 | slobber | oh boy |
| 21:44.56 | slobber | "forever maintenance |
| 21:44.57 | slobber | "? |
| 21:45.03 | bencoh | nah not forever |
| 21:45.17 | KotCzarny | as for nokia repos you need to replace them with a mirror |
| 21:45.17 | slobber | oh you mean yours are under maintenance |
| 21:45.23 | slobber | yeah, gotcha |
| 21:45.36 | bencoh | KotCzarny: I never mirrored maemo for n810, unfortunately :( |
| 21:45.49 | bencoh | and I don't think there is a public mirror for n810 |
| 21:45.53 | slobber | oh |
| 21:46.02 | KotCzarny | i though i saw some n8x0 repos on your mirror, hum |
| 21:46.04 | slobber | so you only have n900 mirrored? |
| 21:46.18 | KotCzarny | i have n8x0 repos partially mirrored |
| 21:46.32 | bencoh | slobber: for the previously-nokia-hosted part, yes |
| 21:46.42 | slobber | ah |
| 21:46.48 | bencoh | slobber: the community mirrors (extras, for instance) are still up&running |
| 21:47.06 | KotCzarny | mirrors.muarf.org uses an invalid security certificate. |
| 21:47.11 | KotCzarny | (Error code: sec_error_cert_signature_algorithm_disabled) |
| 21:47.14 | KotCzarny | bencoh: ^ |
| 21:47.17 | bencoh | it's not invalid, it's cacert ... |
| 21:47.28 | bencoh | mozilla just displays a shitty error |
| 21:47.30 | bencoh | .... |
| 21:47.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:47.59 | bencoh | seriously I don't understand why it display "disabled alg" while it just doesn't know the rootca |
| 21:48.06 | bencoh | this is silly |
| 21:48.19 | KotCzarny | something fallbacks? |
| 21:48.25 | bencoh | ? |
| 21:48.53 | bencoh | KotCzarny: btw you're supposed to use maemo.muarf.Org, not mirrors.muarf.org |
| 21:49.06 | KotCzarny | bencoh: first link on google ;) |
| 21:49.20 | bencoh | ah shit :) |
| 21:52.15 | KotCzarny | bencoh, want to grab my diablo copy? (probably old but better than nothing i guess) |
| 21:53.05 | KotCzarny | 150M in catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com and 2.7G in repository.maemo.org |
| 21:53.38 | KotCzarny | though for repository its chinook, oh well |
| 21:54.07 | bencoh | is that a real/full diablo copy? |
| 21:54.24 | bencoh | (I remember seeing something around on the internet but I don't think it was complete) |
| 21:54.25 | KotCzarny | who knows, most likely done with wget (it was in 2008, i dont remember) |
| 21:54.43 | bencoh | KotCzarny: good enough for nokia's repo you know ;) |
| 21:54.43 | KotCzarny | though i see diablo in updates subdir |
| 21:55.57 | slobber | i shouldn't buy an n900 |
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| 21:56.08 | slobber | it's just not a good phone these days |
| 21:56.18 | KotCzarny | its a good PHONE |
| 21:56.25 | bencoh | it's not that bad as a phone |
| 21:56.31 | slobber | but i do wish there was a new phone of that style.. just, better screen, thinner, better camera etc |
| 21:56.41 | KotCzarny | see neo900 |
| 21:56.44 | slobber | is it bad as a pooter? |
| 21:56.46 | slobber | looking, KotCzarny |
| 21:56.51 | KotCzarny | ~neo900 |
| 21:56.52 | infobot | hmm... neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142, or at http://neo900.org/ |
| 21:57.00 | bencoh | and it's still great as a pocket linux or pocket communicator (hw keyboard inside) |
| 21:57.28 | slobber | ohhh i think i've run into this ebfore actually |
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| 21:57.59 | slobber | oh, that's not cheap either but i ugess that's crowd funding for you |
| 21:58.29 | sicelo | and is a little thicker than N900 |
| 21:58.41 | KotCzarny | it uses n900 chassis |
| 21:58.58 | enyc | neo900 will start a crowdfunding properly early next year if proto_v2 successful as expected |
| 21:59.03 | KotCzarny | so unless something sticks magically out, it should be the same in size |
| 21:59.07 | enyc | all described on the news posted on neo900.org |
| 21:59.26 | slobber | hmmm okay |
| 22:00.34 | enyc | in PCB layout this week aiui |
| 22:00.36 | sicelo | it has an additional 'thing' between the two halves that makes it thick |
| 22:00.42 | sicelo | *thicker |
| 22:01.07 | sicelo | i forgot what it's for .. but remember Neo has an extra PCB as well .. |
| 22:01.42 | enyc | sicelo: thats exactly it, spacer frame to allow extra layer and fit everything in sensibly. hackerbus extra circut can be connected and soforth |
| 22:02.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://blog.torproject.org/blog/mission-improbable-hardening-android-security-and-privacy |
| 22:03.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | spacerframe is just for the added height of PCB sandwich |
| 22:05.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/neo900-wpwrak_CCC2015.webm 13:30... |
| 22:06.31 | slobber | alright tonight i'm gonna give another try to putting gentoo on my n810 |
| 22:06.43 | slobber | last time plenty of issues arose, but i don't remember which |
| 22:07.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/talk.pdf#13 |
| 22:08.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | slobber: with gentoo (or any other fgeneric OS) your worst nightmare on N810 is battery management aka charging |
| 22:09.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | -f |
| 22:09.06 | slobber | oh yeah? |
| 22:09.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, since it dos sw charging, with a blob |
| 22:10.00 | slobber | omg that's some shit |
| 22:10.13 | slobber | yeah im' certainly going to enjoy that |
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| 22:20.34 | jonwil | I think the hardware of most Android phones and the way it all works (cellular radio bits, Arm TrustZone, secret stuff etc) means a pure software solution for making it secure or private just isn't possible. N900 and Neo900 on the other hand have none of that. |
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| 22:34.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 22:35.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | in basically all recent smartphones, the "modem" is the supervisor and the "linux" system a DomU, in virtualization speak |
| 22:36.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that's done for mere cost and size reasons, based on the assumption that "modem" firmware is OK per definition since the manuf made it |
| 22:37.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | just like in early 2G GSM every base station been considered OK since... supposedly nobody ever would build a rogue BTS |
| 22:38.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Osmocom demonstrated that this assumption is terribly incorrect for base stations. Then Chinal followed where they meanwhile do war driving with rogue BTS |
| 22:38.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | China* |
| 22:40.09 | jonwil | Even the latest cellular standards have zero security against rogue operators (and since those fake base stations the FBI and NSA are using would be "rogue operators" from the point of view of the network, that will likely never change) |
| 22:41.07 | KotCzarny | jonwil, theoretically you need permission to transmit at certain wattage/frequency |
| 22:41.23 | KotCzarny | but it doesnt protect you from bad people. |
| 22:44.18 | jonwil | Of course if you are really paranoid the best way to go is to use an off-the-shelf cellular modem and data plan and run an open hardware trusted device talking to that with a VPN on it that encrypts everything so the cellular companies (and any law enforcement or intelligence agencies or other bad actors listening in) cant get anything useful. |
| 22:44.57 | jonwil | The way things are going around the world though more and more countries are trying to make that kind of stuff illegal for exactly that reason (stopping all the spying and crap) |
| 22:45.03 | jonwil | Look at what the UK recently did |
| 22:45.27 | jonwil | And there are rumors that Trump wants the same in the USA (whether he can get it is another matteR) |
| 22:47.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: what is it UK did? |
| 22:52.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw the funny part in this topic: all security concerned projects like blackphone, cryptophone, even Tor (see link above), once they get aware of the basic problem with supervisor firmware, suggest auditing of that firmware. This is a red herring since a) that firmware is several dozen MB binary in size, pretty much similar in size and complexity to a full linux system, and b) you *never* know when such firmware in modem gets exploited or |
| 22:52.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | updated Over The Air so all your audit results are moot in a matter of seconds |
| 22:55.07 | jonwil | UK passed laws that (according to whats being said) ban encryption that the government cant get into |
| 22:55.18 | jonwil | all in the name of stopping the "bad guys" (whoever they are) |
| 22:55.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 22:55.59 | jonwil | Also something about requiring everyone to keep records of all the sites you visit and stuff or something |
| 22:56.24 | KotCzarny | what is funny is that nazis had similar 'you dont have to be afraid if you have nothing to hide' program ;) |
| 22:57.30 | jonwil | the worst thing is that the idiot sheeple actually think all this crap is going to somehow make them safer (when at the very best it might do nothing and at worst it would make them less safe) |
| 22:57.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is a double-trick. It pretends to do something against terrorism so the gvmt looks good, and it tries to suggest to terrorists and criminals there would be "encryption that is not crack-able by authorities" so they might feel save in using those "outlawed" encryption mechanisms |
| 23:05.55 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny has Godwinised the conversation. |
| 23:06.21 | sixwheeledbeast | Uk hasn't banned encryption AFAIK. There was talk about trying to do that, but many rightly argued that if the gvmt can access then others could too. |
| 23:08.23 | sixwheeledbeast | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encryption_ban_proposal_in_the_United_Kingdom |
| 23:09.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: that's the usual result of any such movement, when a minimum of competence and common sense has a saying in the decision process |
| 23:10.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | we seen the exactly same discussion a half a dozen times already, in France and whoknowswhere else |
| 23:12.30 | sixwheeledbeast | Ah I thought it was dropped but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigatory_Powers_Act_2016 |
| 23:13.39 | sixwheeledbeast | Oh well Tor Browser it is then. |
| 23:15.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc PGP been outlawed in France for a few years, maybe a decade ago. It's questionable how to enforce any such law, as well as its efficiency towards the planned purpose |
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