| 00:21.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 00:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: I hope they didn't :-) |
| 00:22.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | also it won't help unless they also develop highly sophisticated AI |
| 00:23.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/dirsnapshot.png alone doesn't help a lot yet |
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| 02:39.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | rapha: btw you can get help with bootloop and other N900 stuff here as well |
| 02:41.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | interesting finding that a wrong BSI can result in bootloop :-) |
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| 03:01.46 | rapha | DocScrutinizer05: thank you! |
| 03:02.16 | rapha | well, without Joerg's help i would have never even been able to guess at something like that |
| 03:02.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg |
| 03:02.49 | infobot | i heard joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko. Usually known as DocScrutinizer. Initiator of http://neo900.org |
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| 03:03.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo bootloop |
| 03:03.45 | infobot | there's no such factoid as bootloop, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 03:03.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 03:03.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo #maemo bootloop |
| 03:03.58 | infobot | #maemo bootloop -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Thu Oct 3 14:52:17 2013 (1140 days); last modified at Sat Dec 7 00:45:24 2013 by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 31 times, last by Joerg-Neo900, 27m 24s ago. |
| 03:04.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | first thing you'll need: |
| 03:04.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~repos |
| 03:04.27 | infobot | from memory, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories, or see ~jrrepos |
| 03:04.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos |
| 03:04.44 | infobot | well, jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ |
| 03:06.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | then: |
| 03:06.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 03:06.22 | infobot | rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 03:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you're already good |
| 03:06.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | then fun starts |
| 03:07.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install |
| 03:07.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | mandatory |
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| 05:48.54 | chatter | Allah is doing |
| 05:49.27 | gry | no |
| 05:49.27 | chatter | sun is not doing Allah is doing |
| 05:49.46 | chatter | moon is not doing Allah is doing |
| 05:59.01 | L29Ah | o/ |
| 05:59.10 | KotCzarny | gry: did you manage to unpack it finally? :> |
| 05:59.57 | L29Ah | chatter: proof? |
| 06:00.18 | KotCzarny | L29Ah: 1/ its a spam bot, 2/ it was killed already |
| 06:00.31 | L29Ah | :( |
| 06:01.01 | L29Ah | what'd be a point for such a bot on freenode anyway? :D |
| 06:01.48 | KotCzarny | people are stupid, what can i say |
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| 07:53.57 | gry | KotCzarny, just got home and started eyeballing 'ncdu' output for / |
| 08:14.28 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: (PCI card with controller for IBM PC-style 5.25-inch flexible disc drive for use in post-Core 2-era desktop motherboard that no longer has a header to connect a flexible disc drive) Catweasel (sp?) may be an option if it is still available. It supports non-IBM-PC flexible disc formats but I do not remember if it supports IBM-PC-style flexible disc formats too. |
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| 10:33.51 | gry | KotCzarny, all extracted now. Is the VirtualBox hard drive space in addition to the extracted file, or it lives "inside" of it? Need to know as I don't want to run out of space again, if it needs extra. :) |
| 10:34.39 | KotCzarny | i havent tried, so dont really know, i prefer just my tiny chroots on arm7 hosts |
| 10:35.01 | gry | L29Ah, (you can get Sigyn kicked from here if you fancy talking with that person. But that would likely be a waste of effort.) |
| 10:35.18 | gry | KotCzarny, ok. :) Will try it out and face the impact. |
| 10:35.54 | KotCzarny | at least vm 'hard driver' are easy to add |
| 10:36.11 | KotCzarny | (you can even just have /home on usb stick or nfs ;) |
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| 11:08.06 | zGrr | moin ;) |
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| 12:06.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | we won't kick sigyn |
| 12:08.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm happy she's around |
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| 12:50.10 | gry | DocScrutinizer05, that was an IF, not a request :) also good morning |
| 12:51.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I prolly failed to parse that then. Please note I got an /ignore list in effect too |
| 12:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | so context sometimes missing |
| 12:51.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I see L29Ah |
| 12:52.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and morning to you as well |
| 12:52.19 | gry | aha |
| 12:52.29 | gry | thanks :) |
| 12:53.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | also I doubt sigyn would kick gerself when somebody talks fabcy to her ;-D |
| 12:53.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy my typing sucks |
| 12:56.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway when anybody actually wants to try talk to 'chatter' (or whatever nick that moron spammer picks next), I suggest just lingering in sifficient channels with >100 users and preferrably no sigyn in channel, and you will meet them sooner or later |
| 12:56.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | good luck with that! ;-D |
| 12:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know, >>not you're talking, A@@ah is talking<< |
| 12:58.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's pretty hard to argue with scripts |
| 13:03.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | to prepare for such endeavor: http://paste.opensuse.org/69752500 |
| 13:09.51 | buZz | is 'gerself' one of those new genderneutral things? |
| 13:16.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, yeah, that's why I used it err didn't fix the typo |
| 13:18.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ger : possesive pronoun [m/f, trans-g] |
| 13:39.15 | freemangordon_ | omg |
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| 14:19.10 | parazyd | any yappari users? |
| 14:19.18 | parazyd | does it work as intended? |
| 14:22.10 | bencoh | yappari does not work, as intended |
| 14:23.03 | Wizzup | not anymore |
| 14:24.04 | bencoh | it stopped working half a year ago because whatsapp required to use their new (secured) protocol, and they started banning 3rd-party apps so main developer eventually gave up |
| 14:24.24 | bencoh | iirc he pushed a voluntarily non-working version so that people wouldn't get banned trying |
| 14:24.38 | bencoh | I mean, a version that won't even try to connect |
| 14:26.52 | buZz | best whatsapp client is just spitting in the faces of ppl asking to add you on whatsapp ;) |
| 14:26.59 | buZz | imho ^_^ |
| 14:27.01 | Wizzup | ^ |
| 14:27.19 | buZz | or laughing insanely loud while walking away |
| 14:29.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, 2 billion farcebrick users can't be wrong, get on whatsap too and share your data with Suckerberg and the NSA |
| 14:30.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | FB is waaay worse than google meanwhile |
| 14:30.24 | bencoh | dunno who |
| 14:30.38 | bencoh | which* is worse, but ... |
| 14:31.32 | parazyd | shame |
| 14:32.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | when whatsap got bought out by FB, they *romised* to never transfer or use the WA data in FB. That was like 6 months ago, now the German office for privacy in IT sues FB for doing exactly that |
| 14:32.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | *promised* even |
| 14:34.41 | buZz | they promised to never do it, and then took them 2-3 months before they actually -did- do it, while denying doing it |
| 14:34.47 | bencoh | s/6 months/2 years/ ? |
| 14:34.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | my ass what whatsap had as their core policies when they started. Like "we respect your privacy" and whatnot else bullshit, it almost sounded honest |
| 14:35.22 | buZz | popo respects you aswell when they arrest, fine and beat you up |
| 14:37.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Suckerberg, no typo in that |
| 14:48.45 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: to be fair, the actual data is very secure |
| 14:48.56 | kerio | cuz they got moxie to handle that |
| 14:49.45 | kerio | and i trust facebook to protect my data much more than my government |
| 14:49.54 | Wizzup | lol |
| 14:50.02 | kerio | because they make money off of it |
| 14:50.12 | Wizzup | they make money selling your data |
| 14:50.15 | Wizzup | how is that protecting your data |
| 14:50.17 | kerio | Wizzup: a friend of mine works in an ad company, he says that working with facebook is a pain |
| 14:50.19 | kerio | no no |
| 14:50.24 | kerio | they keep your data incredibly tight |
| 14:50.31 | Wizzup | haha |
| 14:50.37 | kerio | they sell aggregates, they sell even targeted ad space |
| 14:50.39 | kerio | but they don't give it out |
| 14:50.55 | kerio | they want to keep it |
| 14:50.58 | kerio | as much as possible |
| 14:51.18 | KotCzarny | and people buying it |
| 14:51.23 | kerio | it's a subtle difference |
| 14:51.24 | kerio | yeah |
| 14:51.24 | KotCzarny | and the cycle startes |
| 14:51.41 | KotCzarny | because other start to do the same |
| 14:51.52 | KotCzarny | then we have whole new economy classes in school |
| 14:52.00 | KotCzarny | (sponsored by .. etc) |
| 14:52.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah they keep it since it's 'theirs' - until the balck man of NSA drops by and leaves a letter they are not allowed to even mention they got one |
| 14:52.54 | kerio | i wonder if this would backfeed power https://www.amazon.it/dp/B016KNKRYY/ in a way that the n900 would appreciate |
| 14:53.08 | kerio | there's a switch for "charge/otg" |
| 14:53.29 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: doesn't facebook have a warrant canary? |
| 14:53.35 | KotCzarny | omg, thats the half price of the n900! |
| 14:53.37 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 14:53.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | pfff |
| 14:54.04 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: idk man, i reckon that if your threat model includes the NSA you already fucking lost |
| 14:54.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard some companies who had did put it down, and they didn't want to talk about the reasons much |
| 14:54.58 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yes, that's what a warrant canary does |
| 14:54.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | they promised however that it was for mere business reasons |
| 14:55.02 | kerio | rip canary :( |
| 14:55.05 | kerio | suuuuuuuure |
| 14:55.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | so either they put it down and are not allowed to talk about it, or the *keep it* and are not allowed to talk about why they feel this would be the wiser decision |
| 14:56.18 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the very fact that they put it down means what you think it means |
| 14:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui the idea is flawed |
| 14:57.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | the whole canary is at best annoying |
| 14:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't tell anything from it either way |
| 14:58.43 | kerio | do i trust this 6⬠microusb "magsafe" adapter |
| 14:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't even understand what that adapter does |
| 14:59.07 | kerio | it's the only one with an adapter instead of a cable |
| 14:59.13 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no the one i linked is just a usb hub |
| 14:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it looked like |
| 14:59.37 | kerio | 3 usb A ports, one microusb B plug and one microusb B port |
| 14:59.49 | kerio | with a "power" symbol on the port |
| 15:00.00 | kerio | and it's got a tiny switch between "power" and "otg" |
| 15:00.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah |
| 15:00.23 | kerio | so i wonder if it would allow power backfeed on the n900 in boost mode |
| 15:00.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | should |
| 15:00.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless they do a D+/- short too |
| 15:01.21 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: that's even if there's backfeed protection in data mode |
| 15:01.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | or wait. maybe "power" only means powered hub |
| 15:01.49 | kerio | no wait it says "charge"/"otg" |
| 15:02.31 | kerio | oh man i wish you knew italian |
| 15:02.36 | kerio | this product description is hilarious |
| 15:02.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it might be a powered hub in OTG mode and feed uplink in charge mode |
| 15:03.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll have to test it to know for sure |
| 15:04.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | and when you're lucky, you could modify it so it exactly meets your requirements |
| 15:06.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | my guess would be: in CHARGE mode the D lines of micro USB receptacle are connected to micro USB uplink plug. In OTH the receptacle powers the hub and the uplink data lines also feed the hub |
| 15:07.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/OTH/OTG/ |
| 15:08.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | *maybe* in CHARGE the hub is still powered from the then-connected VBUS and also hooked up to the uplink D-lines |
| 15:08.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you can modify it so it's like that |
| 15:08.56 | kerio | the fact that there's a switch is actually impressive |
| 15:09.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 15:09.09 | kerio | although i guess it's just for data |
| 15:09.23 | kerio | so you can use the hub on your phone while charging it from a computer |
| 15:09.35 | kerio | oh god can you imagine the mess that will happen when everything is usb c |
| 15:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | but _worst_case_ CHARGE just means the hub turns into a charger with 4 outlets |
| 15:09.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
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| 16:09.24 | fishbulb | hey is the yappari dude here? |
| 16:12.05 | ceene | fishbulb: i only have two minutes |
| 16:14.42 | fishbulb | I've only ever used yappari |
| 16:15.03 | ceene | yappari has been dead for months now |
| 16:15.08 | fishbulb | I don't know how to transfer my number to whatsapp, becuase it asks to take a picture with your mobile device of a QR code |
| 16:15.25 | ceene | i don't think you have to do that much |
| 16:15.30 | ceene | just install whatsapp on an android/iphone |
| 16:15.35 | ceene | and let it do its thing |
| 16:15.38 | fishbulb | I only have a tablet |
| 16:15.41 | fishbulb | android tablet |
| 16:15.43 | ceene | same thing |
| 16:15.50 | ceene | it'll ask you for your mobile phone number |
| 16:15.54 | ceene | you give it to it |
| 16:15.58 | fishbulb | nexus, it asks me to take the photo of a qr code |
| 16:16.03 | ceene | what qr code? |
| 16:16.10 | fishbulb | it shows a qr code |
| 16:16.24 | ceene | i think you're trying to use web whatsapp? |
| 16:16.28 | fishbulb | and says to take a photo with it using your mobile device, but since yappari was never offficially whatsapp |
| 16:16.49 | ceene | you have to install whatsapp application |
| 16:16.54 | ceene | web whatsapp requires whatsapp application |
| 16:17.26 | ceene | in any case, that's more probably a question for #android or whatever |
| 16:17.28 | ceene | gotta go, sorry |
| 16:17.28 | fishbulb | this tablet has no sim |
| 16:17.29 | ceene | bye! |
| 16:17.43 | fishbulb | how do I get the chats and stuff that were in whatsapp |
| 16:18.00 | fishbulb | and numbers and contacts? are they on my n900 somewhere? this is my only "phone" |
| 16:18.42 | fishbulb | I mean yappari, how do I get that, or is it on whatsapp servers? I don't really get it |
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| 16:34.14 | bencoh | fishbulb: I think they're synced with whatsapp |
| 16:37.38 | fishbulb | how the hell do I get onto whatsapp with a wifi tablet |
| 16:44.00 | bencoh | I'm not sure it's supposed to work |
| 16:44.13 | bencoh | although it did work 1.5year ago |
| 16:44.51 | bencoh | (you had to provide a valid phone number, receive a confirmation text message there, and enter it in whatsapp) |
| 16:47.56 | fishbulb | do you mean with a tablet or with yappari? |
| 16:51.39 | fishbulb | it asks to scan a qr code |
| 16:51.50 | fishbulb | and I can't even open yappari with the n900 |
| 16:53.38 | bencoh | ... |
| 16:53.43 | bencoh | forget about yappari. |
| 16:53.57 | fishbulb | I have |
| 16:54.10 | fishbulb | but I can't put my number into whatsapp |
| 16:54.35 | fishbulb | I have a nexus wifi tablet and no other android devices |
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| 17:49.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's pretty obvious: insert SIM into an android phone (of a friend) create the barcode, take a photo with tablet, profit |
| 17:49.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | scratch the "profit" |
| 17:49.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | suffer |
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| 21:43.47 | freemangordon | Guys, anybody knows of TZ env var format on maemo that starts with TWO letters and the offset? |
| 21:44.58 | freemangordon | there is a static function in libtime called fix_tz() that takes tz in the ^^^ format and converts it to GMT+/-offset format |
| 21:45.16 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ |
| 23:07.41 | sixwheeledbeast | The two letters thing being ISO 3166 |
| 23:07.43 | sixwheeledbeast | ? |
| 23:10.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | never heard |
| 23:10.27 | freemangordon | I doubt, isn't that iso standard for country codes etc, not timezones? |
| 23:11.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | is this maybe along DE_de, just using half of it? |
| 23:11.39 | L29Ah | maybe it needs to make a guess on timezone given the user picked a language? |
| 23:11.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | never groked what's the meaning of left and right side of _ |
| 23:12.09 | L29Ah | left is language, right is country |
| 23:12.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | en_US, en_GB |
| 23:12.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 23:12.31 | freemangordon | doesn't make sense to me, what vould DE+0200 mean? |
| 23:12.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | "...and converts it to GMT+/-offset format" |
| 23:12.57 | L29Ah | GMT+4? ;) |
| 23:13.03 | L29Ah | doesn't have TZ in his env |
| 23:13.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 23:13.20 | freemangordon | no, that would become GMT-0200 if I read the code correctly |
| 23:13.46 | freemangordon | so it is a kind of "reverse GMT" zone |
| 23:13.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | offset DST? |
| 23:14.30 | freemangordon | two letters, mind you. and those letters are not checked for anything, but isalpha() |
| 23:14.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 23:15.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | see GSM network time maybe? though that's in 15min increments iirc |
| 23:15.05 | freemangordon | anyway, it seems that will remain a mystery :) |
| 23:15.22 | freemangordon | hmm, maybe it is some GSM stuff |
| 23:16.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | are you sure the offset is in "hours" |
| 23:16.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 23:17.10 | freemangordon | no |
| 23:17.44 | freemangordon | see https://github.com/community-ssu/clockd/blob/master/clockd/libtime.c#L906 |
| 23:18.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | GSM local time message has a pretty weird format |
| 23:23.24 | sixwheeledbeast | DE+0200 I would read as Germany plus 2 hours from UTC, which would be correct in the summer? |
| 23:23.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea really. It doesn't do any math or table lookup etc at all, afaict |
| 23:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 23:23.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think so |
| 23:33.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, totally out of ideas |
| 23:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | it obviously sets an env var |
| 23:34.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | "TZ" |
| 23:34.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | it sets it to the unmangled input parameter string |
| 23:35.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it does tzset() (without parameters!) whatever that does |
| 23:36.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | TZSET(3) ? |
| 23:36.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | extern char *tzname[2] |
| 23:36.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ^^^ |
| 23:39.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | " The std string specifies the name of the timezone and must be three or more alphabetic characters. The offset string immediately follows std and specifies the time value to be added to the local time to get Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) " No Friggin Clue really |
| 23:52.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | tzfile(5) have fun! |
| 23:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> If the TZ variable does not appear in the environment, the tzname variable is initialized with the best approximation of local wall clock time, as specified by the tzfile(5)-for- mat file localtime found in the system timezone directory (see below). (One also often sees /etc/localtime used here, a symlink to the right file in the system timezone direc- tory.)<< |
