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| 03:18.53 | fishbulb | hey I've never used whatsapp on anything other than an n900 |
| 03:22.24 | fishbulb | how the hell do I log into it, the webapp says to take a photo of the qr code with my phone |
| 03:25.33 | jonwil | I dont think Whatsapp will work on the N900 |
| 03:25.46 | jonwil | You will probably get banned if you try |
| 03:25.56 | jonwil | Or maybe I am thinking of some other messaging app |
| 03:30.17 | fishbulb | no it used to work |
| 03:30.20 | fishbulb | now it doesn't |
| 03:30.37 | fishbulb | but now it's stuck in limbo or something |
| 03:30.58 | Oksana | QrCode... MBarcode on N900 is an app which can read a QRCode |
| 03:31.20 | fishbulb | yeah but it says to do that with whatsapp |
| 03:31.39 | fishbulb | which hasn't worked on the n900 for a year or something like that |
| 03:31.49 | Oksana | has never tried to use Whatsapp, so not idea how to make it work |
| 03:31.50 | fishbulb | yappari I mean |
| 03:32.01 | fishbulb | well people use it |
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| 03:51.55 | Vajb | well not anymore since it hasn't been working for six months |
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| 04:04.36 | Oksana | Yappari sounds like extremely not working atm, going by http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94465&page=155 |
| 04:06.02 | Oksana | Does Whatsapp have an Android app? Because I would like to make Apkenv work on N900... As maintainer said, the packaged apkenv_armel.deb may be for Harmattan, so a fremantle version of apkenv would have to be built from source code |
| 04:06.14 | Oksana | maintainer of apkenv, I mean |
| 04:07.17 | Oksana | Anyway, why wouldn't Whatsapp be made as a telepathy plugin? Why separate app? |
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| 04:22.19 | ds3 | evil people more interested in stealing info and pushing ads |
| 04:26.11 | Oksana | thinks it's sarcasm... right? |
| 04:29.17 | gry | yeah kick these suckers out of our repos and fork their shit |
| 04:29.32 | gry | re-release without ads lol |
| 04:29.39 | Oksana | gry: Language |
| 04:29.42 | gry | if it's not foss and ads are not cleanable up, then we have another problem... |
| 04:30.09 | gry | it's intentionally derogatory, last i saw ads was on android in our other house. i almost fell over when viewing the app store :P |
| 04:30.11 | Oksana | It's not an ads problem afaik, it's a compatibility problem maybe with whatsapp changing its API or something? |
| 04:30.39 | gry | oh if it's changed in a foss app i am sure it can be changed in telepathy plugin if telepathy is foss itself |
| 04:30.42 | gry | just Hard Work |
| 04:30.59 | gry | and if they don't have ads now doesn't mean they don't plan to do it later |
| 04:31.06 | gry | i remember when skype didn't have ads like 10 years ago |
| 04:31.10 | gry | then it started cause changed owners |
| 04:31.22 | gry | whatsapp can change owner as an excuse for starting to show ads, too :P |
| 04:31.36 | Oksana | yappari is open-source, even though Whatsapp server likely isn't |
| 04:31.55 | gry | that's up to them to do what they like on their server, although a proper api spec would be appreciated |
| 04:31.56 | Oksana | telepathy is foss, do you live under a rock or on a moon? |
| 04:32.02 | gry | both :) |
| 04:32.28 | Oksana | points to gry and chants "moon rabbit" |
| 04:32.48 | gry | i can only moo in response because i don't know what sounds rabbits make :D |
| 04:33.19 | gry | i wouldn't waste time on whatapp though, gnu ring work sounds a fair bit more engaging as they don't have an adequate hildon client at this point :) |
| 04:33.22 | Oksana | Anyway, point is: depending on what exactly does not work in yappari, it may be easier to "fix" yappari or to develop a telepathy plugin from scratch |
| 04:33.35 | gry | (both! :) |
| 04:33.42 | gry | the more the better |
| 04:33.43 | Oksana | Does GNUStep have a Telepathy GUI? |
| 04:33.46 | gry | nope |
| 04:34.10 | gry | I think by the time the competition finishes, I'll be finishing packaging its IDE into debian, since it's a rather slow going process |
| 04:34.17 | gry | though I did find yesterday how to get sbuild to work |
| 04:34.20 | gry | so that's a plus |
| 04:34.22 | Oksana | Because if you work on GNUStep Telepathy GUI, and I work on telepathy plugin for ring, we will get ring working on both GNUStep and Hildon |
| 04:34.22 | gry | it's a bit engaging |
| 04:34.35 | gry | by the time I did that, my working memory was already a bit overwhelmed, so I could have moved to a next step but I didn't |
| 04:34.50 | gry | and yes |
| 04:34.56 | gry | but on gnustep, apps are modular |
| 04:35.10 | gry | you don't have to fit everything into the telepathy corner for it to be reasonable |
| 04:35.26 | gry | you can write a 'im app' module and reuse it for different apps which look seemingly unrelated |
| 04:35.47 | gry | which means tons of code refactoring and i won't do it very soon, because i don't know the language or the platform very well |
| 04:36.14 | gry | also, i think your alarm clock is not working at all Oksana :) |
| 04:36.59 | Oksana | It does, I am just good at switching it off as soon as it alarms ;-) |
| 04:38.25 | gry | ok :) |
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| 05:35.08 | Vajb | gry: , Oksana , the problem with whatsap vs yappari is that whatsap implemented texsecure and yappari didn't receive any msg since that. Tries to implement it resulted a ban from whatsap servers. |
| 05:35.22 | Vajb | textsecure* |
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| 07:19.46 | ceene | gry: as Vajb says, it's not that WA doesn't support third party apps, it's that they actively block them |
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| 08:03.23 | Vajb | oh well all life is learning. As of today i learnt the awesome powers of 'mv -n' over graphically clicking skip. |
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| 08:09.11 | KotCzarny | embrace the commandline luke, we have cookies |
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| 08:33.02 | Vajb | what puzzles me is which one is the dark side. |
| 08:35.56 | KotCzarny | closed source of course |
| 08:36.11 | KotCzarny | as in, you close something, then its dark inside, right? |
| 08:36.37 | KotCzarny | might apply to closed firmware/os too |
| 08:38.11 | Maxdamantus | We don't have cookies. Those are the web developers. |
| 08:38.13 | Vajb | ah right, but what about the cmdline vs graphics? |
| 08:38.14 | Maxdamantus | We have tic-tacs. |
| 08:38.39 | Vajb | somehow cmdline shows up a bit dark as default |
| 08:39.07 | KotCzarny | depends on user config and pov |
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| 08:39.22 | KotCzarny | text is bright, right? |
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| 08:52.13 | bencoh | wants cookies |
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| 09:10.08 | ceene | hates vhdl |
| 09:10.44 | bencoh | awww |
| 09:10.49 | bencoh | it's fun though |
| 09:11.17 | ceene | no, it is not |
| 09:11.18 | ceene | :( |
| 09:11.30 | bencoh | :( |
| 09:12.38 | KotCzarny | what's vhdl? |
| 09:12.50 | ceene | do you know verilog? |
| 09:13.00 | KotCzarny | ahm, technidesigny thingy |
| 09:13.08 | ceene | they're both hardware description languages |
| 09:13.18 | ceene | you define hardware via code |
| 09:13.35 | ceene | and hope the synthesizer infers the right piece of hardware from the code you've written |
| 09:13.46 | KotCzarny | magic |
| 09:13.50 | bencoh | not magic :) |
| 09:13.59 | ceene | black magic indeed |
| 09:14.01 | bencoh | actually it depends on what kind of "code" you use |
| 09:14.03 | KotCzarny | and by any magic its buggy and does things you dont want often |
| 09:14.06 | KotCzarny | kinda gcc |
| 09:14.07 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:14.11 | bencoh | you're fine as long as you dont use "process" |
| 09:14.17 | bencoh | using "process" kills the point anyway ;p |
| 09:14.21 | ceene | lol |
| 09:14.54 | ceene | to be honest, i don't hate vhdl as much as i hate the guy who wrote the specifications |
| 09:14.59 | bencoh | huhu |
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| 09:15.53 | ceene | cause he didn't explain WHAT the hardware should do, but instead wrote a bunch of pseudo-almost-vhdl-code blocks, without any guidline on how to interconnect them, or why, nor timing depencies, nor anything at all |
| 09:15.56 | bencoh | well I kinda like the idea of specifying blocks in a very rigorous way and being able to build a whole system using those parts |
| 09:16.13 | bencoh | waitwhat? |
| 09:16.14 | ceene | so my work consists right now of deducing what the hell this guy wants the hardware to do |
| 09:16.19 | bencoh | ah, I see |
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| 09:16.39 | ceene | and work around all the code he thinks will help me |
| 09:16.41 | KotCzarny | ceene, do whatever fits the specs, worry later |
| 09:16.59 | ceene | of course, once he sees that there's a 3 cycle delay between Input and Output will say: but that can't be! |
| 09:17.09 | ceene | and i'll have to say: that's what your pseudocode defined! |
| 09:17.22 | ceene | and my boss will say: it doesn't matter, make it so there's no delay! |
| 09:17.37 | ceene | and i still don't know which my answer will be |
| 09:17.55 | KotCzarny | and then you will get back to the board and pretend to work |
| 09:18.06 | ceene | probably |
| 09:18.13 | ceene | and then will come here to vent |
| 09:18.45 | KotCzarny | which works too |
| 09:19.48 | ceene | this is an example of registers names this braindead guy defined |
| 09:20.13 | ceene | DTXGPREG |
| 09:20.15 | ceene | DSTPPREG |
| 09:20.17 | ceene | DBTPPREG |
| 09:20.19 | ceene | DPTPPREG |
| 09:20.25 | Vajb | but if it looked good at the paper |
| 09:20.25 | KotCzarny | dos guy, apparently |
| 09:20.27 | ceene | DTXBSPREG |
| 09:20.29 | ceene | DTXBSRREG |
| 09:20.32 | ceene | funny, huh? |
| 09:20.39 | ceene | there won't be any mistake |
| 09:20.46 | ceene | and it'll be easy as hell to read and understand |
| 09:20.59 | ceene | why do people believe they're gonna be charged extra for characters? |
| 09:21.27 | bencoh | because they cant type |
| 09:21.28 | KotCzarny | can you design names for yourself then do quick s&r when you have to show design to that guy? |
| 09:21.32 | Vajb | acronyms r so cool lol |
| 09:21.50 | ceene | and if that's his belief, why whould he spend three chars with the suffix REG when it doesn't give any information? |
| 09:21.59 | bencoh | :] |
| 09:22.54 | KotCzarny | because it has to have a vowel |
| 09:23.07 | KotCzarny | to pretend its speakable |
| 09:23.14 | ceene | also, I still don't know what the initial 'D' means |
| 09:23.22 | KotCzarny | dumb? |
| 09:23.26 | KotCzarny | digital? |
| 09:23.43 | ceene | oh, no, i know what it means |
| 09:23.45 | ceene | it means driver |
| 09:23.49 | ceene | because this thing is an RF driver |
| 09:23.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:24.01 | ceene | so of course, all registers should begin with a D and end with REG |
| 09:24.19 | KotCzarny | so logical, cant you see it? |
| 09:24.37 | ceene | i don't get paid enough |
| 09:24.46 | bencoh | krkr |
| 09:25.06 | bencoh | (we should get more sarcasm signs) |
| 09:26.06 | ceene | well |
| 09:26.13 | ceene | i've decided this thing is gonna stay this way |
| 09:26.26 | ceene | if someone comes back later asking for their three latency cycles, so be it |
| 09:26.36 | ceene | i still need to code a hell lot of things |
| 09:26.42 | ceene | and this is Good Enough (TM) |
| 09:26.48 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 09:26.58 | KotCzarny | are you paid by hours? |
| 09:27.05 | ceene | nope |
| 09:27.11 | ceene | i'm a standard employee |
| 09:27.18 | KotCzarny | ahm, then dont worry |
| 09:27.19 | ceene | i'll still get paid if nothing of this shit ever works |
| 09:27.27 | ceene | although i guess if don't at least try, i could be fired |
| 09:27.42 | KotCzarny | if specs arent specific enough, its not your fault for dumb client |
| 09:27.50 | ceene | that's true |
| 09:27.56 | ceene | not that it matters much |
| 09:28.11 | ceene | ahycka and I already told our boss this project was inviable with the time we were given |
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| 09:28.34 | ceene | so we're already almost two months late of partial deliverables |
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| 10:28.28 | Vajb | is it going to be new shiny android rf client :D |
| 10:31.39 | ceene | nop |
| 10:31.46 | ceene | but ahycka's gonna route neo900 |
| 10:32.14 | ceene | i don't wanna work anymore |
| 10:32.15 | ceene | :( |
| 10:32.33 | ceene | i wanna go home |
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| 21:42.53 | freemangordon | Pali: https://github.com/community-ssu/upstart/blob/master/debian/dh/dh_installxsession#L1 |
| 21:43.11 | Pali | hi! |
| 21:43.14 | Pali | whats a problem? |
| 21:43.17 | freemangordon | is dh_ stuff really should be part of upstart? |
| 21:43.24 | freemangordon | hardcoded perl path |
| 21:44.02 | Pali | that part is upstart specific, so whould be part of upstart |
| 21:44.10 | Pali | hardcoded perl path... yeah |
| 21:44.25 | Pali | see perlrun about this problem... |
| 21:45.33 | freemangordon | I see nothing in perlrun related, could you elaborate? |
| 21:45.35 | Pali | http://perldoc.perl.org/perlrun.html |
| 21:45.44 | Pali | "Parsing of the #! switches starts wherever "perl" is mentioned in the line."... |
| 21:45.59 | Pali | how to write it correctly |
| 21:46.04 | Pali | it is ugly hack |
| 21:46.25 | Pali | #!/bin/sh |
| 21:46.25 | Pali | eval 'exec perl -x -wS $0 ${1+"$@"}' |
| 21:46.25 | Pali | if 0; |
| 21:47.46 | Pali | iirc that should work also in scratchbox with its own rewrite mechanism... |
| 21:48.15 | Pali | or use /usr/bin/env |
| 21:49.00 | Pali | what you need to ensure that in scratchbox script dh_installxsession is started by native x86 perl binary |
| 21:49.10 | Pali | and not armel binary emulated by qemu |
| 21:49.39 | freemangordon | Pali: but what is the problem if emulated perl is started? |
| 21:49.40 | Pali | but in /usr/bin/perl is that armel one |
| 21:49.48 | Pali | 2 problems: |
| 21:49.56 | Pali | 1) slow |
| 21:50.10 | Pali | 2) threads are not (properly) supported by qemu |
| 21:50.36 | freemangordon | ok, but we talk about some dh_ script, so speed should not be that much of a problem |
| 21:50.45 | Pali | 1 --> decrease compile time, increase cpu usage; 2 --> crashes |
| 21:50.45 | freemangordon | the same goes for the threads |
| 21:51.16 | freemangordon | I doubt we have multithreading in dh_installxsession script |
| 21:51.43 | Pali | 1 --> you need to compile & install all dependent perl packages for armel |
| 21:52.13 | Pali | as some perl modules are written in C, you need to install armel binaries |
| 21:52.17 | freemangordon | hmm, I see |
| 21:52.44 | Pali | and 2 --> need to ensure that all dependences will not have those qemu thread problems... |
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| 21:53.16 | freemangordon | ok, then it seems we'll have to branch that to make it compatible with missing scratchbox |
| 21:53.17 | Pali | /usr/bin/env will be probably the best solution |
| 21:53.43 | freemangordon | ok, will look at it |
| 21:54.14 | Pali | above I wrote "hack" with shell and eval |
| 21:54.26 | Pali | env looks like: |
| 21:54.27 | Pali | #!/usr/bin/env perl |
| 21:54.55 | freemangordon | Pali: btw, we have another problem with some of the Makefiles (dsme and one more) - in dash echo is posix compliant and does not support -e parameter |
| 21:55.30 | Pali | -e is not POSIX compliant |
| 21:55.44 | Pali | you need bash for -e support |
| 21:56.07 | freemangordon | do you have any better idea than if [-x /bin/echo]; then ECHO=/bin/echo; else ECHO="echo -e"; fi? |
| 21:56.22 | freemangordon | there is no bash in SB, but still -e parameter is accepted |
| 21:56.40 | Pali | bash is in scratchbox |
| 21:56.53 | Pali | and it is used |
| 21:57.00 | freemangordon | hmm, so sh==bash in SB? |
| 21:57.22 | Pali | when I start scratchbox I got bash shell |
| 21:57.32 | Pali | anyway you have two options for those Makefiles: 1) add SHELL := bash or 2) use printf |
| 21:57.54 | Pali | /bin/echo does *NOT* have to support -e param |
| 21:58.03 | Pali | POSIX echo does not support it |
| 21:58.14 | freemangordon | hmm, right - lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Aug 27 2009 /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh -> bash |
| 21:58.31 | Pali | use printf "%s" ... |
| 21:59.02 | freemangordon | well, /bin/echo --help lists -e as acceptable parameter |
| 21:59.05 | Pali | also echo -n is not part of POSIX |
| 21:59.10 | freemangordon | on my ubuntu that is |
| 21:59.21 | Pali | because you have GNU echo?? |
| 21:59.24 | freemangordon | -n as well |
| 21:59.35 | freemangordon | dunno, lemme check |
| 21:59.47 | Pali | http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/echo.1p.html |
| 21:59.54 | Pali | no -e or -n param... |
| 21:59.57 | freemangordon | part of coreutils |
| 22:00.25 | freemangordon | anyway, gtg now before I got killed by the GF :) |
| 22:00.27 | freemangordon | night |
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