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| 07:13.56 | brolin_empey | I was using Microsoft Edge on Windows 10 to listen to Internet radio (di.fm) but I discovered that Edge stops playing audio when Windows turns off the computerâs displays due to an inactivity timeout. When the displays are back on, Edge continues playing audio. Is this behaviour caused by a change in Edge? Or by something else, such as Flash Player or Windows? Now I am using Internet Explorer 11 to see if it behaves the same as Edge. |
| 07:17.35 | brolin_empey | No, I do not use Edge nor IE as my primary Web browser. |
| 07:18.27 | joga | oh, this wasn't ##windows... |
| 07:18.32 | joga | maybe ask there? |
| 07:21.00 | brolin_empey | ##windows moves very quickly. Anyway, I will soon have an answer from my own experimentation. |
| 07:22.38 | joga | hdmi audio? |
| 07:23.57 | brolin_empey | joga: No, analog line-level output from the audio controller integrated on the motherboard. |
| 07:24.21 | auenf | brolin_empey, surface? |
| 07:26.00 | brolin_empey | auenf: No, Asus P5E-VM DO LGA775 (Core 2 era) desktop motherboard. |
| 07:26.37 | auenf | had an issue with a surface dropping sound from a hangouts in chrome when the screen saver came on |
| 07:26.54 | joga | win10 does all sorts of wacky things |
| 07:27.21 | auenf | ie, in a hangouts, screen saver was at 1min, when screen saver came on, hangouts became silent |
| 07:27.28 | auenf | wake screen, and hangouts resumed |
| 07:28.34 | brolin_empey | auenf: My screen saver is automatic power management of the displays. |
| 07:30.15 | auenf | this surface didnt have a real screensaver, think it was just blank screen or something like what you're saying |
| 07:32.03 | KotCzarny | maybe its aggressive power saving mode that simply suspends the whole os |
| 07:33.02 | auenf | it'd be win10 killing audio when monitors sleep or when screen saver starts |
| 07:33.43 | auenf | sounds like whats happening to edge, i assume ie will be the same, and i think chrome would be the same also |
| 07:34.19 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: No, my computers are always running but the OS automatically turns off the displays after an inactivity timeout. |
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| 09:07.47 | brolin_empey | I wonder why the format of the message identifiers generated by Mozilla Thunderbird was changed a few months ago. |
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| 15:41.59 | freemangordon | Pali: https://github.com/community-ssu/iphbd/commit/cddcdd817f82056dd51b82d148dd1ad7ea6cebce |
| 15:44.08 | Pali | ok |
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| 17:09.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | HDMI and similar shit sucks big time, when you can't hotplug stuff since it's not getting re-initialized |
| 17:11.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: do you know about usage of N900 IHF_EN signal (from GAIA to speaker amplifier)? I'm poarticularly interested who's operating that GPIO and when and how |
| 17:11.59 | bencoh | huhu |
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| 17:12.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | GAIA/TWL4030 pin N14 "GPIO7/PWM1" |
| 17:12.22 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: at least it's not a mic? :p |
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| 17:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: nope, it enables the amp |
| 17:13.17 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: yeah I know :p |
| 17:13.58 | Pali | grepping kernel source code... |
| 17:14.07 | Pali | what is number of that gpio? |
| 17:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's one of the nasty legacy signals we might need to keep compatible to N900 in new devices, if we want audio (closed blobs) to work |
| 17:14.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: GPIO7 |
| 17:14.49 | bencoh | gpio7 on gaia, not on omap3 |
| 17:14.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 17:15.09 | Pali | speaker-amplifier-gpios = <&twl_gpio 7 GPIO_ACTIVE_HIGH>; |
| 17:15.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 17:15.15 | Pali | could be this? |
| 17:15.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 17:15.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | where does it show up? |
| 17:15.48 | bencoh | dts |
| 17:15.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | where is it uised |
| 17:15.51 | Pali | sound: n900-audio { compatible = "nokia,n900-audio"; ... speaker-amplifier-gpios = <&twl_gpio 7 GPIO_ACTIVE_HIGH>; }; |
| 17:15.54 | Pali | this is in DT |
| 17:16.10 | Pali | going to look at that speaker-amplifier-gpios property |
| 17:16.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | in DT? well, that's great for new kernel, but questionable if it works with old audio blobs |
| 17:17.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I assume they (Nokia) has some very special crap in there, to realtime enable amp for e.g. keybd and touchscreen audio click feedback |
| 17:17.59 | bencoh | ? |
| 17:18.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if it's handled via generic ALSA or inside some dang closed blob |
| 17:18.36 | Pali | https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/sound/soc/omap/rx51.c#n465 |
| 17:18.43 | bencoh | honestly I wouldnt care much anyway.... |
| 17:18.46 | Pali | here is read that gpio number from DT ^^^ |
| 17:19.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that looks pretty good |
| 17:20.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | so everything in 'higher tiers' should use that symbolic resource rather than direct access to GPIO7, right? |
| 17:20.47 | Pali | yes |
| 17:20.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | even in maemo kernel and OS? |
| 17:20.58 | Pali | going to check maemo kernel |
| 17:21.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks a megaton! :-) |
| 17:21.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | realtime audio output is tricky, _very_ tricky |
| 17:22.09 | brolin_empey | Heh: It is nice that http://info.cern.ch/ , the first (public) Web site, is back online but it would be nicer if it was actually accessible with a Web browser from 1995 or earlier, such as the Win32 version of Netscape Navigator 1.22, the earliest Win32 (as opposed to Win16 or Win32s) version of Netscape/Mozilla I have found, I have running on Windows 10 for x86-64. |
| 17:22.11 | Pali | maemo kernel has hardcoded it into that sound/soc/omap/rx51.c file :-( |
| 17:22.20 | Pali | #define RX51_SPEAKER_AMP_TWL_GPIO(192 + 7) |
| 17:22.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | you want amp normaly shut down, but you also want minimal overhead/delay when output of a feedback click or whatever |
| 17:22.50 | Pali | \/* REVISIT: TWL4030 GPIO base in RX51. Now statically defined to 192 */ |
| 17:23.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((maemo kernel has hardcoded it)) thought as much |
| 17:23.55 | Pali | but looks like gpio number is not exported to userspace |
| 17:24.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | so access is up to any arbitrary 'userland' app, or are they all supposed to use a kernel function which we could patch to change the GPIO assignment? |
| 17:24.22 | Pali | and even not outside of that file |
| 17:24.39 | Pali | so only kernel and onlt that sound/soc/omap/rx51.c can access it |
| 17:24.49 | brolin_empey | Yes, I know that I can use https://www.jwz.org/hacks/http10proxy.pl . |
| 17:24.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | GOOD! |
| 17:24.51 | Pali | userland nad other kernel modules needs to use abstract kernel functions |
| 17:24.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-)) |
| 17:25.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | excellent |
| 17:25.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | many many thanks! |
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| 18:49.54 | freemangordon | Pali: how hard will be to make iphbd out-of tree dkms module? |
| 18:50.02 | freemangordon | I've never played with dkms |
| 18:50.26 | Pali | freemangordon: if you have working kernel module (e.g. can be compiled), dkms packaging is easy |
| 18:50.47 | Pali | I can prepare dkms packaging, this is not a problem |
| 18:50.59 | Pali | I already have tens of dkms packages on my laptop |
| 18:51.26 | freemangordon | Pali: iphb.ko is open-sourced, right? |
| 18:51.29 | Pali | yes |
| 18:51.34 | Pali | in maemo kernel are sources |
| 18:51.35 | freemangordon | so it shouldn't be a problem |
| 18:51.55 | freemangordon | ok, I'll look into it |
| 18:52.01 | Pali | we just needs to decide which sources to get... from maemo? from harmattan? |
| 18:52.08 | Pali | or are any other new versions for new kernels? |
| 18:52.16 | Pali | I can prepare dkms package |
| 18:52.27 | freemangordon | i guess they are identical |
| 18:52.45 | Pali | ok, I will look at it |
| 18:52.50 | freemangordon | will check if there are any differences between maemo and harmattan |
| 18:52.53 | freemangordon | ok |
| 18:53.02 | Pali | and prepare dkms package |
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| 19:40.12 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: do you know if there is some way on Maemo to get country name from mcc code? |
| 19:41.08 | Pali | I just found file /etc/operator_settings which contains some information for particular mcc (haha, there is mms settings), but not country name |
| 19:41.44 | Pali | next another mapping file /usr/share/operator-wizard/mcc_mapping but country name is again some unreadable format |
| 19:42.25 | Pali | I would like to have country name in iso3166 (= two characters) |
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| 19:58.38 | freemangordon | Pali: define "unreadable format" |
| 19:58.49 | freemangordon | is it 3-digit code? |
| 19:59.06 | Pali | freemangordon: format in /usr/share/operator-wizard/mcc_mapping or /etc/operator_settings files |
| 19:59.44 | Pali | freemangordon: I want to get 2-char country name (e.g US) from 3-digit mcc code |
| 20:00.42 | freemangordon | ok, will look at it later |
| 20:02.24 | Pali | on wikipedia is list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_country_code |
| 20:02.44 | Pali | and something similar should provide maemo api or some file... |
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| 20:31.31 | freemangordon | omg, yet another standard :( |
| 20:32.34 | freemangordon | I was hoping on 3-digit country codes (like 100 for Bulgaria), but no... |
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| 20:37.57 | Maxdamantus | /usr/share/clock/wdb |
| 20:38.09 | Maxdamantus | looks like you can cross-reference against that. |
| 20:38.44 | Maxdamantus | dunno if it has all mcc entries. |
| 20:39.16 | freemangordon | it is relatively new (in cssu at least) so it should be ok |
| 20:43.41 | Maxdamantus | cat /usr/share/operator-wizard/mcc_mapping | sed 's/^[^\t]\+\t//' | while read x; do grep -q '\<'"$x"'\>' /usr/share/clock/wdb || echo "$x"; done |
| 20:43.44 | Maxdamantus | qtn_clk_country_hong_kong |
| 20:43.47 | Maxdamantus | qtn_clk_country_n_mariana_i |
| 20:45.14 | freemangordon | Pali: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/mobile-codes |
| 20:45.40 | Pali | freemangordon: list is on wikipedia, in worst case I can grab it |
| 20:45.49 | Pali | I was thinking about maemo-only method |
| 20:46.02 | Pali | e.g. using only sources available on maemo/n900 |
| 20:47.33 | Pali | Maxdamantus: I need function which get on its input 3 digit mcc code and on output I need 2char ISO / IEC 3166 alpha2 country code |
| 20:47.38 | freemangordon | cat /usr/share/operator-wizard/mcc_mapping |
| 20:47.41 | freemangordon | oops |
| 20:47.58 | Pali | I'm going to investigate more... |
| 20:48.58 | Maxdamantus | Pali: yeah, so you look up that qt thing in mcc_mapping, then look for an entry mentioning it in clock/wdb |
| 20:49.06 | Maxdamantus | seems hacky though. |
| 20:49.14 | freemangordon | why? |
| 20:49.17 | Maxdamantus | (and apparently is missing two things) |
| 20:49.20 | freemangordon | seems ok |
| 20:49.47 | Pali | ah right, I miss information that clock/wdb contains also country code |
| 20:49.48 | Maxdamantus | Because clock/wdb doesn't seem to intentionally list countries. |
| 20:50.04 | Pali | it is 3rd column |
| 20:50.08 | freemangordon | yes |
| 20:50.27 | Maxdamantus | it lists cities (presumably associated with sets of timezones), which happens to include most countries. |
| 20:50.29 | freemangordon | also, there are coordinates you can use to call libcityinfo |
| 20:51.17 | Pali | this is for implementing wl1251-cal, regdomain from mcc to pass into kernel |
| 20:51.46 | freemangordon | Pali: where are you going to get mcc from? |
| 20:51.55 | Pali | dbus/csd |
| 20:52.01 | freemangordon | ok |
| 20:52.10 | freemangordon | is afk |
| 20:52.29 | Pali | if we want to use wl1251-cal also on non-maemo platform (e.g. debian/devuan) we can implement ofono |
| 20:52.41 | Pali | ofono provides also mcc via dbus, but different call |
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| 20:56.46 | KotCzarny | its something that almost definitely there should be a lib for that.. |
| 20:57.14 | Pali | KotCzarny: do you know such lib/function in maemo? |
| 20:58.29 | KotCzarny | https://github.com/musalbas/mcc-mnc-table/blob/master/mcc-mnc-table.csv |
| 20:59.35 | KotCzarny | http://mcc-mnc.com/ |
| 21:00.04 | KotCzarny | i guess it would be trivial to make a package out of this and even make it auto update |
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| 21:17.04 | KotCzarny | (no-js version is unpaginated) |
| 21:17.19 | Maxdamantus | I don't think there's anything else that maps from these mccs. |
| 21:17.37 | Maxdamantus | $ echo -n 'find . -type f'; cat usr/share/operator-wizard/mcc_mapping | sed 's/\t.*$//' | while read x; do echo -n ' | xargs -d\\n fgrep -l '"$x"; done; echo |
| 21:17.56 | Maxdamantus | running the command produced by that doesn't seem to find anything useful. |
| 21:18.10 | Maxdamantus | I guess there could theoretically be something compressed or something. |
| 21:18.55 | KotCzarny | page with html is ~23kB |
| 21:19.15 | KotCzarny | so i guess whole table of strings would be ~1/3..1/2 of that |
| 21:19.38 | Maxdamantus | There could of course also be something that encodes the numbers in binary. |
| 21:20.08 | KotCzarny | you can even use bitfields :P |
| 21:20.26 | Maxdamantus | I'm talking about looking for information already in Maemo. |
| 21:20.46 | KotCzarny | information in maemo vs updated information? |
| 21:25.19 | KotCzarny | in debian there is package named 'mobile-broadband-provider-info ' |
| 21:25.25 | KotCzarny | could it be it? |
| 21:27.23 | KotCzarny | first appeared in 2010-02-27 |
| 21:27.33 | KotCzarny | um. 2009-07-09 |
| 21:29.58 | KotCzarny | yup. has country codes (two letters) and mmc/mnc (among other things) |
| 21:31.42 | KotCzarny | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/mobile-broadband-provider-info |
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| 22:09.51 | Pali | KotCzarny: I hardcoded Maemo data into code: https://github.com/community-ssu/wl1251-cal/blob/master/wl1251-cal.c#L524 |
| 22:09.55 | Pali | it is not so big... |
| 22:11.01 | Pali | first time I used GNU join program :D |
| 22:15.37 | Pali | hm... I cannot push new version of wl1251-cal to cssu-devel |
| 22:15.43 | Pali | "The RSA host key for maemo.merlin1991.at has changed" |
| 22:16.02 | Pali | merlin1991, freemangordon, RSA key was really changed? |
| 22:21.50 | freemangordon | Pali: yes, merlin1991 has changed the server some time ago |
| 22:21.57 | Pali | ok |
| 22:22.09 | Pali | I see that we have couple of packages non updated in cssu |
| 22:22.20 | Pali | cssu-devel |
| 22:22.26 | Pali | but new versions are on github |
| 22:22.32 | Pali | going to build them now |
| 22:54.29 | Pali | new packages pushed to cssu-devel |
| 22:54.43 | Pali | see tmo thread about changes |
| 22:55.06 | Pali | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1518605#post1518605 |
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| 23:59.44 | Pali | qt4 is still compiling... |
| 23:59.51 | Pali | more then hour... |