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| 00:44.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF? https://maemo.org/ -> white page |
| 00:45.31 | Oksana | http://maemo.org/ works. Granted, https://maemo.org/ should either work or redirect, blank page is not fine |
| 00:45.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | in konqueror and firefox |
| 00:46.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I can't log in without switching to https:// |
| 00:46.08 | Oksana | has same blank page for https://maemo.org/ in Firefox |
| 00:46.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW logging in auto-switches to https |
| 00:47.15 | Oksana | tries to login... same https problem... going to http://wiki.maemo.org/ ... |
| 00:48.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I logged in on http: and it switches to white page as soon as I click "Go" |
| 00:48.38 | Oksana | Wiki.maemo.org logs in... Without https, I am guessing. And it does not provide a login on maemo.org |
| 00:49.00 | Oksana | At least, https://wiki.maemo.org/ is not blank |
| 00:49.28 | Oksana | https://garage.maemo.org/ is not blank, either. |
| 00:49.49 | Oksana | >> Without https, I am guessing. << Assumption which may easily be incorrect. |
| 00:50.23 | Oksana | https://maemo.org/ is blank in Google Chrome, too |
| 00:52.02 | Oksana | Attempt to login from http://maemo.org/intro/ gives same blank https://maemo.org/intro/ |
| 00:53.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | or http://maemo.org/packages |
| 00:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | or http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/sim-switcher/0.7.1-1/ |
| 00:54.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: ^^^ |
| 00:54.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: ^^^ |
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| 01:10.34 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: let me check |
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| 01:57.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
| 01:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Length: 0 [text/html] |
| 01:57.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Saving to: 'STDOUT' |
| 01:57.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | - [ <=> ] 0 --.-KB/s in 0s |
| 01:57.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2016-11-09 02:57:09 (0.00 B/s) - written to stdout [0/0] |
| 02:18.08 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: could you retry |
| 02:19.47 | xes | ? |
| 02:23.16 | xes | is falling into a deep sleep...Zzz |
| 02:56.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 02:56.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Connecting to maemo.org (maemo.org)|213.128.137.20|:443... connected. |
| 02:56.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | WARNING: cannot verify maemo.org's certificate, issued by '/C=IL/O=StartCom Ltd./OU=StartCom Certification Authority/CN=StartCom Class 1 DV Server CA': |
| 02:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden |
| 02:57.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2016-11-09 03:56:29 ERROR 403: Forbidden. |
| 02:57.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah! browser shows something |
| 02:58.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | OK, logged in. everything seems to work |
| 02:58.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: ^^^ |
| 02:59.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/11/09/plasma-desktopUe2244.png |
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| 06:35.41 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: fine |
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| 08:53.50 | antranigv | hi all! |
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| 08:55.06 | antranigv | we heared about the Coding Competition. a friend of mine is asking if he can write an android app for Sailfish, or it has to be native? |
| 08:58.06 | gry | hah |
| 08:59.26 | gry | " Entries have to run on Maemo or Mer-based devices/platforms. " from http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Coding_Competition_2016 |
| 08:59.36 | gry | letmme see what sailfish is based on |
| 09:00.20 | gry | I think sailfish is mer-based so you're good to go |
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| 10:02.34 | xes | it seems that nowhere is written native application.. but i would not expect too many votes for an android app |
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| 11:25.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd even rule out android apps, it's like writing a game for an arbitrary console emulator that happens to run under maemo/mer |
| 11:26.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui the purpose is to get more native maemo/mer apps, not to add to the galactic zoo of android apps |
| 11:30.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((like writing a game for an arbitrary console emulator)) even worse: in this case the emulator would be non-free |
| 11:30.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least afaik, or is sailfish's android compatibility stuff now FOSS? |
| 11:38.15 | bencoh | highly doubt it |
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| 12:59.17 | brolin_empey | jonwil: Is there a third-party (from a company other than Intel) chipset for an Intel CPU in the post-Pentium 4 era? If yes, then maybe there is a motherboard from the last ten years with an Intel Core series CPU but without AMT/ME. |
| 12:59.42 | jonwil | 3rd parties stopped making Intel chipsets years ago. |
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| 13:05.55 | brolin_empey | jonwil: That is what I thought because the newest motherboard with an Intel CPU but with a third-party chipset I have seen is for Socket 478. There are Pentium 4 CPUs for Socket T AKA LGA775 but I do not know if there is an LGA775 motherboard with a third-party chipset. I think that all of the LGA775 motherboards I have seen use an Intel chipset. I do not know about the original Intel Core AKA Core 1 because my experience is with eras older than or newer |
| 13:05.55 | brolin_empey | than Core 1. |
| 13:11.05 | brolin_empey | I do not know if an LGA775 Pentium 4 even uses the same technology as a Pentium 4 for Socket 423 or Socket 478, i.e., if an LGA775 Pentium 4 uses a core based on the NetBurst microarchitecture. |
| 13:18.28 | Wizzup | core2duo can have ME removed |
| 13:18.34 | Wizzup | see libreboot on x200 laptops |
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| 13:22.29 | brolin_empey | Wizzup: ThinkPad X200? Only Core 2 Duo even if the motherboard supports Core 2 Quad too? |
| 13:23.30 | Wizzup | I don't understand your question |
| 13:25.43 | brolin_empey | Wizzup: You said Core 2 Duo but a motherboard, at least a desktop model, that can use a Core 2 Duo CPU can also use a Core 2 Quad CPU. I do not know if the same is true of notebook motherboards, though. |
| 13:25.59 | Wizzup | Just go to libreboot.org and see... |
| 13:29.48 | brolin_empey | Wizzup: OK but I was asking because I thought you may know the answer off hand. |
| 13:33.58 | brolin_empey | I wonder if the early MacBook with white plastic (polycarbonate, IIRC) case I have has a Core 1 CPU. I never use that computer because I do not have a power supply for it and I do not want to give money to AAPL. |
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| 13:39.17 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: DFI said that they need to modify the firmware for their computer/motherboard to add support for the model of LVDS display panel my company is using. |
| 13:40.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 13:43.08 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: I did not mean that the firmware needs to be rearchitectected, I only meant that DFI needs to add support for the display panel we are using, which requires rebuilding the firmware. |
| 13:44.51 | brolin_empey | rearchitected? I do not want to sidetrack myself to look up the spelling of that word. |
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| 13:50.36 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: (continuing our conversation from months or years ago about notebook computers with a proper (high quality) integrated display) I see that at least 2 or 3 models of notebook computers with an AMOLED display are now commercially available. However, the deal breaker for me is that none of the models I found have a numeric keypad, not even the ThinkPad model. (fail) |
| 13:52.11 | bencoh | do you actually need a numeric keypad on a laptop? |
| 13:55.08 | brolin_empey | bencoh: Yes. I intentionally avoid using the term âlaptopâ in this context because it is a misnomer. |
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| 13:58.44 | brolin_empey | Although, to be literal, I use a tower computer on a table at home, not a desktop (horizontal) computer case on a desk. |
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| 14:01.19 | brolin_empey | I wonder why Commodore released an all-in-one portable (luggable) C64 (the SX-64) but not an all-in-one portable Amiga. |
| 14:04.39 | brolin_empey | If you say that the power supply for the computer being external makes the computer not literally all in one, well, I have a Pentium II notebook computer, a Compaq Armada 1750, with an internal power supply. |
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| 15:27.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | for Opensuse (and other systemd cursed distros with rsyslogd): http://paste.opensuse.org/18093004 |
| 15:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/4762396 |
| 15:31.05 | kerio | wasdat |
| 15:35.31 | sicelo | i think ... systemd has a lot of bad ... but, it's here to stay :-/ |
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| 15:38.22 | KotCzarny | sicelo: only if you dont protest |
| 15:38.42 | KotCzarny | i use systemd-less systems |
| 15:39.22 | sicelo | i should think people protested when dbus first came out, pulseaudio, etc. |
| 15:39.33 | sicelo | (or Trump) :p |
| 15:41.58 | KotCzarny | dont start politics :P |
| 15:42.29 | sicelo | lol .. but it makes the point |
| 15:43.09 | sicelo | dbus basically is unavoidable now, and PA is also hard to avoid |
| 15:43.21 | sicelo | not saying any of them are good |
| 15:43.27 | sicelo | or bad |
| 15:44.03 | kerio | macos |
| 15:44.04 | kerio | freebsd |
| 15:44.10 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 15:44.19 | KotCzarny | my slackware only has dbus, and i can disable it |
| 15:44.22 | kerio | (the latter may spontanously grow up a pulseaudio but you can kill it) |
| 15:44.36 | sicelo | yes kerio .. but not all of us can afford a MAC |
| 15:45.03 | kerio | ye the latest macbook pro is a bit too insane :( |
| 15:45.25 | kerio | freebsd has gpu acceleration |
| 15:45.30 | kerio | zfs |
| 15:45.50 | kerio | init system that you can change with a text editor |
| 15:46.13 | sicelo | the price of an iphone can buy a good used car .. so a mac(book) is just out of reach really |
| 15:46.38 | kerio | https://www.trueos.org |
| 15:46.41 | kerio | the name is pretty damn silly |
| 15:46.46 | kerio | but it's a decent freebsd desktop distro |
| 15:47.39 | kerio | sicelo: the lack of a 32gb option in the new macbook pro and the lack of data checksumming in apfs are kinda turning me off apple, i have to say :\ |
| 15:48.06 | sicelo | you'll have that thing .. what they cally it .. in place of F-keys ;) |
| 15:48.32 | kerio | that's pretty neat |
| 15:48.47 | kerio | and it also acts as a secure enclave for the purpose of fingerprint authentication |
| 15:49.12 | bencoh | how is removing esc key "pretty neat"? seriously... |
| 15:49.16 | sicelo | i thought fingerprint stuff was no longer considered the way to go in security |
| 15:49.30 | bencoh | and ... yeah, fingerprint is shit |
| 15:49.37 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 15:49.38 | KotCzarny | but neat |
| 15:50.07 | sicelo | bencoh: where do you need to escape to or from ;) |
| 15:50.19 | bencoh | krkr |
| 15:50.23 | kerio | bencoh: an "esc" virtual button is always present and can't be disabled by programs |
| 15:51.00 | kerio | if you're such a heavy "esc" user that you need a physical button for it, there's a key at the left of "a" that you should've been using in the first place anyway |
| 15:51.39 | kerio | serious vim users would scoff at you for suggesting to move your hands from the home row :> |
| 15:53.23 | brolin_empey | bencoh: In the same way as completely removing the numeric keypad from all unibody MacBook keyboards? |
| 15:53.56 | kerio | the horror |
| 15:56.37 | kerio | are you upset because every notebook manifacturer will do the same thing apple is doing 6 months from now, in a more mediocre way? |
| 15:58.56 | bencoh | brolin_empey: there never was any numeric keypad on macbook(pro) |
| 15:59.14 | bencoh | apart from the Fn-* shortcuts that kinda looked like a numeric keypad |
| 16:00.00 | bencoh | kerio: I'm not a huge fan of remapping capslock to something non-standard |
| 16:00.12 | bencoh | best way to mess with your muscle memory |
| 16:00.14 | kerio | you should remap it to ctrl |
| 16:00.17 | kerio | it's amazing |
| 16:00.22 | bencoh | I don't need to remap it to ctrl |
| 16:00.26 | bencoh | I can use ctrl without my finger |
| 16:00.28 | kerio | but it's amazing |
| 16:00.34 | kerio | say whaaaat |
| 16:03.35 | bencoh | kerio: see this part of the hand that sits just below your little finger? |
| 16:03.57 | kerio | ok how do you hit ctrl but not alt or fn or super |
| 16:04.05 | kerio | also isn't it like hell on your bones? |
| 16:04.23 | bencoh | I don't do it on laptops |
| 16:04.29 | bencoh | but on external keyboards it's just fine :) |
| 16:04.37 | bencoh | and no it's not hell :) |
| 16:04.45 | bencoh | and I can it ctrl only |
| 16:04.53 | bencoh | (actually I can't hit alt/fn with it) |
| 16:04.54 | kerio | oh because it's the leftmost key, i see |
| 16:05.14 | bencoh | yup |
| 16:05.24 | bencoh | it's pretty handy actually |
| 16:06.53 | kerio | anyway, the touch bar is cute |
| 16:07.03 | kerio | the new macbook pros are expensive |
| 16:07.15 | kerio | hopefully the kaby lake refresh will support 32gb of ram |
| 16:08.53 | bencoh | the what? |
| 16:09.05 | kerio | intel microarchitecture after skylake |
| 16:09.06 | bencoh | ah, latest intel cpu? |
| 16:09.13 | kerio | i7 7xxx as opposed to i7 6xxx |
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| 16:11.17 | KotCzarny | old thinkpad's kb was the best one, layout wise and design wise |
| 16:12.22 | kerio | embrace the usb c |
| 16:13.12 | KotCzarny | nevah! |
| 16:13.27 | KotCzarny | love is all you need! |
| 16:18.00 | kerio | no but seriously usb c is pretty amazing |
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| 16:25.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ((wasdat)) http://paste.opensuse.org/26292051 |
| 16:26.10 | KotCzarny | kerio, my laptop has everything i need, and i rarely use external things |
| 16:27.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: versus http://paste.opensuse.org/67266835 |
| 16:28.06 | kerio | rip logs |
| 16:28.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | see the filename! |
| 16:28.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | syslog-session-blabla.conf |
| 16:38.49 | brolin_empey | kerio: I mostly do not use notebook computers. My primary computers are desktop/tower computers. A handheld computer that I can carry in my pants pocket is far more useful to me than a notebook computer. |
| 16:39.23 | kerio | pyra? |
| 16:39.27 | kerio | or one of those awkward x86 ones? |
| 16:40.15 | brolin_empey | bencoh: Pre-unibody MacBook keyboards, at least on the MacBook with the white plastic case, have an overlaid numeric keypad. |
| 16:43.20 | bencoh | brolin_empey: *overlaid* and you had to use it with fn, yeah |
| 16:44.36 | brolin_empey | kerio: By âhandheld computerâ, I mean what is commonly referred to as a smartphone but I dislike that term because it is a computer that I occasionally use as a telephone, not a telephone that I occassionally use as a computer. |
| 16:44.56 | kerio | brolin_empey: oh, i thought you were cool :( |
| 16:47.40 | brolin_empey | bencoh: An overlaid numeric keypad works for me and is much better than having no integrated numeric keypad. |
| 16:49.01 | bencoh | true |
| 16:49.11 | bencoh | (I never used it, but still) |
| 16:49.56 | brolin_empey | kerio: There are x86 smartphones, such as my retired Geeksphone Revolution and even some old Nokia model whose name I forgot. |
| 16:50.06 | kerio | yeah but those are bad |
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| 16:52.57 | kerio | brolin_empey: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-win-intel-z8700-win-10-os-game-console-laptop#/ |
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| 17:45.09 | brolin_empey | kerio: That computer is interesting but it cannot replace a smartphone. |
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