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| 07:19.42 | Railroadmaster | Is this the Maemo IRC? |
| 07:19.50 | kerio | ye |
| 07:20.32 | Railroadmaster | OK it says my IP address is on the Anti-Spam list, could I please have it removed? |
| 07:21.15 | Railroadmaster | The talk.maemo.org website told me to come here |
| 07:22.29 | Railroadmaster | "Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist. |
| 07:22.29 | Railroadmaster | Feel free to contact our staff on irc freenode #maemo channel." |
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| 07:24.38 | Railroadmaster | Is there some way to address this |
| 07:26.07 | Railroadmaster | ?? |
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| 07:45.52 | Railroadmaster | So any idea about the IP? |
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| 07:57.53 | KotCzarny | is your ip dynamic? |
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| 09:48.37 | L29Ah | facilitating facilitators failed to facilitate sane forum policies :( |
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| 10:32.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have pretty sane forum policies |
| 10:33.56 | L29Ah | banning random bands of ip addresses from reading forums and wiki is not sane |
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| 10:39.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's that a *policy*? |
| 10:39.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a implementation detail |
| 10:40.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and your pun on "facilitators" is completely off |
| 10:41.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | council isn't really in a position to micromanage implementation details |
| 10:42.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | You'd know if you bothered to contribute and help instead of just making demotivating jokes |
| 10:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | tmo is using blacklists, and the tmo maintainers/admins have no real saying in which IPs get blocked by those |
| 10:45.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | so best they can do is send customers here to let maintainer know there's an exception needed, which usually gets implemented instantly |
| 10:46.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | if we need blacklist guarding for mere *reading* of forum, or this could get set up in a way so only login is guarded is a completely different topic to discuss |
| 10:46.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | still nothing council is supposed to have any notion or expertise about, best thing council can do is suggest here |
| 10:47.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | hint: maintainer of tmo is chem|st |
| 10:50.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | bottom line: if you had forwarded Railroadmaster to chem|st instead of ranting about "facilitators failed to facilitate", that would have made this a more helpful and friendly place for everybody |
| 10:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry when I sound grumpy and pissed - maybe that's because I actually am. This sort of rant doesn't help anybody and I seen it too often already |
| 10:52.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | (this sort: "facilitators failed to facilitate") |
| 10:57.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you really want to criticize council for anything, then that would be the lack of presence in here, since their job would be to answer what I suggested you could have answered instead of that rant |
| 11:01.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | they also could point at a lack of precision in instructions given to tmo visitors that get blocked, it should mention whom to ping in here since obviously a lot of users in here have no idea how to handle such a case (ping the maintainer, explain the situation to visitor, ask for patientce and express sorry for the inconvenience) |
| 11:03.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what council is supposed to do, not mess with tmo blacklist modules |
| 11:03.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's "facilitating" |
| 11:10.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | council not even has admin accounts on tmo VM |
| 11:10.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that's entirely on purpose, they shall not have those |
| 11:19.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe helpful (just apply common sense to adapt those rules to the 'new' situation, like "hire maemo.org staff" becomes "appoint/fire competent expert volunteers for maintaining maemo infra") http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Council_work |
| 11:21.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Being able to represent the community to Nokia" becomes "moderate between techstaff and larger community" |
| 11:30.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | even better: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/FAQ#What_is_the_difference_between_a_council_member_and_a_committed_community_member.3F |
| 11:31.14 | sixwheeledbeast | Need to make it clear on the reject page that techstaff are not here 24/7 they may have to wait about for a response |
| 11:31.54 | sixwheeledbeast | Still not ideal rejecting Tor in the first place, I would normally not bother with a site like this and move on. |
| 11:32.26 | sixwheeledbeast | I know, it's not "Tor" but most of the end nodes are blocked. |
| 11:32.35 | KotCzarny | or make infobot react on the usuall paste |
| 11:32.56 | sixwheeledbeast | ah well ~unbanip is a thing |
| 11:32.56 | KotCzarny | fe. on 'Anti-Spam list' |
| 11:33.09 | sixwheeledbeast | ~unbanip |
| 11:33.09 | infobot | [unbanip] please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal |
| 11:33.27 | KotCzarny | or just add this info to error page and be done with irc |
| 11:33.29 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 11:39.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~unbanip is also contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here |
| 11:39.00 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 11:39.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~unbanip |
| 11:39.21 | infobot | rumour has it, unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal |
| 11:39.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn |
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| 11:39.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget unbanip |
| 11:39.42 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot unbanip |
| 11:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~unbanip |
| 11:39.45 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal |
| 11:39.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo unbanip is also contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here |
| 11:39.53 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 11:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~unbanip |
| 11:39.57 | infobot | methinks unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here |
| 11:40.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~techstaff |
| 11:40.44 | infobot | methinks techstaff is techstaff(AT)maemo.org - the folks that keep your maemo infra running. Devotion to Duty http://xkcd.com/705/ |
| 11:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: thanks! |
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| 11:45.27 | sixwheeledbeast | np |
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| 13:53.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://together.jolla.com/question/149869/coding-competition-the-1st-maemo-developer-regatta-the-starting-line/ |
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