| 00:58.21 | Oksana | is looking for BOM stations db for OMweather https://github.com/Meecast/meecast/tree/master/omweather-bom-gov-au-stations-db Where is the debian package? |
| 01:02.19 | Oksana | Hmm, and why does http://maemo.openrepos.net/vasvlad/ not work? http://harmattan.openrepos.net/vasvlad/ works fine |
| 01:18.35 | ds3 | is there a packaged up Maemo environment to run N900 apps on other devices with just plain X? |
| 01:33.03 | Oksana | ds3: Xephyr should be helpful, I think. http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK |
| 01:34.49 | ds3 | can I install debs in that environment? |
| 01:37.31 | Oksana | I think so. Not sure. Haven't developed for some time, and when I did, I mostly used N900 itself for testing, so not much experience with Xephyer. |
| 01:37.36 | Oksana | Xephyr* |
| 01:38.15 | Oksana | used to use MADDE on Windows XP |
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| 01:39.39 | Oksana | http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE |
| 01:41.26 | Oksana | http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/Device_runtime#More_commands |
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| 02:03.40 | ds3 | been wanting a Maemo mode to run apps on other mobile devices |
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| 02:07.17 | ds3 | hmmm no sources to adapt it |
| 02:32.30 | Maxdamantus | Xephyr isn't the main thing there. It's just an X server that displays itself as a window in another X server. |
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| 03:21.44 | Oksana | Maemo mode? Like apkenv, only in reverse? Sounds interesting... |
| 03:23.49 | Oksana | If architecture is the same (like, armel), and OS is debian-based (Android isn't, I guess) , then you mostly need to figure out the dependencies hell. Otherwise, sounds complicated... |
| 03:27.17 | Oksana | Rubiks package sounds interesting, but exists in sid, not in wheezy. Aka, backporting it to older libc6 and such could be a challenge... |
| 04:02.10 | Oksana | libc6 and libstdc++6 and libgcc1 are the only dependencies https://packages.debian.org/stretch/rubiks Sounds like excellent backend |
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| 05:37.59 | Oksana | https://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/mugen-power-battery-backdoor.html Does Mugen exist? |
| 05:39.10 | Oksana | >> Now that BP has done the decent thing and backed out of the Bight << Good news! >> Companies like Santos and Chevron still hold exploration leases. << Huh... https://www.wilderness.org.au/can-you-chip-make-happen?utm_campaign=83d0af196c-GAB_Billboard_C1610GABSAFE |
| 05:59.12 | ds3 | yes. like apkenv but in reverse |
| 05:59.27 | ds3 | I am find with tar'ing up rootfs from a N900 |
| 05:59.50 | ds3 | problem is linking up the display - VNC might work |
| 06:00.13 | ds3 | if I had time - I'd build it |
| 06:00.29 | ds3 | replace X with Xvnc and run things under proot |
| 06:00.58 | ds3 | and maybe replace microB with something that sends intents to launch the naive browser |
| 06:01.31 | ds3 | if I knew enough, I'd try to setup OpenGLES |
| 06:05.19 | Maxdamantus | I have a feeling a bunch of executables like hildon-desktop, hildon-status-menu, etc have compiled-in knowledge of the particular imgtech whatever GPU is in the SoC. |
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| 06:28.28 | KotCzarny | ds3, i think setting up sdk or madde is the closest one, otherwise i would guess setting up some hildon libs (and matchbox for a feel) and trying to recompile |
| 06:29.27 | KotCzarny | unless you want 1:1 n900's experience? |
| 06:31.14 | KotCzarny | and or n900's specific things like dsme or porting maemo to some other device? |
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| 06:32.37 | KotCzarny | fremantle porting task force aims to port maemo to completely open system (neo900), as it's recompilable it might eventually do what you seek |
| 06:33.15 | KotCzarny | btw. how to edit things like {{MADDE}} on wiki? it has outdated info and i dont see any way to edit it |
| 06:42.12 | Oksana | KotCzarny: There is Views->Edit, on the right-top side of the page http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE |
| 06:42.20 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 06:42.27 | KotCzarny | i know how to edit wiki pages |
| 06:42.43 | KotCzarny | but how to edit wiki notices/warnings |
| 06:42.51 | Oksana | Hmm... |
| 06:43.01 | Maxdamantus | Template:MADDE |
| 06:43.10 | Maxdamantus | you can see links to referenced pages in the edit page. |
| 06:43.13 | KotCzarny | thx |
| 06:43.14 | Oksana | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Template:MADDE&action=edit |
| 06:43.57 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 06:45.50 | KotCzarny | i've edited it using direct link, but i must be blind because i dont see 'views' |
| 06:46.36 | Maxdamantus | views? |
| 06:46.44 | KotCzarny | thingy oksana pointed out |
| 06:47.01 | Maxdamantus | It's on the right. |
| 06:47.13 | Maxdamantus | under the search bar |
| 06:47.31 | Maxdamantus | Navigation { Main Page, Recent Changes, .. }, Views { Page, Discussion, Edit, History } |
| 06:49.06 | KotCzarny | http://i.imgur.com/FSHAoLn.png |
| 06:49.13 | KotCzarny | apparently missing in this color scheme |
| 06:49.15 | Oksana | And if you are editing a page, then at the bottom, under the editor, there is list of templates being used on the page, and links to templates. Like, from MADDE template I went to http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Template:Ambox&action=edit |
| 06:49.36 | Maxdamantus | Yeah, that's a completely different layout. |
| 06:49.49 | Oksana | Yes, completely different |
| 06:49.53 | Maxdamantus | If you look at it without your session you'll probably see the normal site. |
| 06:50.11 | KotCzarny | might be some outdated theme on the wiki site |
| 06:50.14 | Maxdamantus | Your one is fairly similar to the old mediawiki layout. |
| 06:50.37 | Maxdamantus | (the one used on Wikipedia itself) |
| 06:51.15 | KotCzarny | anyway, thx for you both, ive updated the box |
| 06:51.26 | KotCzarny | who is the wiki admin? |
| 06:52.09 | Oksana | has no idea how to add to {{Ambox}} an Edit link, which would be auto-inherited by {{MADDE}}, so that any template would have a neat Edit link without jumping through the hoops. |
| 06:52.34 | Maxdamantus | http://maxdamantus.eu.org/wmo.png |
| 06:54.03 | Oksana | KotCzarny: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team No idea... |
| 06:54.53 | Oksana | http://wiki.maemo.org/Wiki_gardeners |
| 06:54.58 | Maxdamantus | Ambox is apparently semi-protected. |
| 06:54.59 | KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_wiki:Administrators |
| 06:55.09 | KotCzarny | maxd: that's for general ambox |
| 06:55.41 | KotCzarny | nice. swb has admin rights |
| 06:55.58 | KotCzarny | (also generalantilles, this guy apparently left maemo ;) |
| 06:56.22 | KotCzarny | sixwheeledbeast: ^ |
| 06:56.31 | Maxdamantus | Andrew Black? The doctoral student of Tony Hoare? |
| 06:56.33 | Maxdamantus | met him once. |
| 06:56.59 | Maxdamantus | suspects the one on the wiki will be a different person with the same name. |
| 06:57.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 08:20.44 | ds3 | just want to run maemo apps |
| 08:21.09 | ds3 | android has a lack of usable apps (most of the are just excuses to push ads) |
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| 08:30.26 | Sicelo | and this maemo will be running on pc? |
| 08:32.07 | Sicelo | on other mobiles or pc, i would go with one of the main linux distros .. your specification sounds like a chroot should be enough for your needs :-/ |
| 08:33.16 | KotCzarny | running chroot maemo apps could modify host system |
| 08:33.31 | KotCzarny | dbus and friends, maybe devices |
| 08:35.16 | Sicelo | sounds like he wants to be running maemo in android or pc to me ... at that level i guess a regular distro is a far better choice ... or something i didn't understand? |
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| 10:36.06 | sixwheeledbeast | eh? |
| 10:36.29 | KotCzarny | swb, can you look if wiki style be updated? |
| 10:36.53 | sixwheeledbeast | wiki style? |
| 10:36.53 | KotCzarny | i use 'MonoBook' skin |
| 10:37.00 | sixwheeledbeast | oh, |
| 10:37.09 | KotCzarny | and it seems to be lacking features |
| 10:37.19 | KotCzarny | ie. no template edit/view |
| 10:38.01 | KotCzarny | well, i can edit template by going through additional clicks |
| 10:38.27 | KotCzarny | but if you can look into if the skin can be updated that would be nice |
| 10:38.39 | KotCzarny | if it requires manual editing then forget it ;) |
| 10:39.08 | sixwheeledbeast | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.35 | KotCzarny | might be, who can i ping regarding this issue? |
| 10:39.56 | KotCzarny | as its not updating media wiki engine etc, just the skin |
| 10:39.59 | sixwheeledbeast | :shrug: |
| 10:40.05 | sixwheeledbeast | techstaff? |
| 10:40.44 | sixwheeledbeast | I have mediawiki access rights but couldn't update or change features etc. |
| 10:41.42 | sixwheeledbeast | I can have a look later if you can explain what you are trying to do, on lunch at the moment. |
| 10:41.59 | KotCzarny | k, let me know when you have few minutes free then |
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| 12:19.47 | Sicelo | incidentally, Microsoft Outlook Web Access loves MicroB and considers it a 'best' client. Android's web browser (at least Android 5.0.1) however gets to only see the Lite version of the site |
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| 13:41.47 | _maniac_ | that's because microsoft bought nokia before. |
| 13:43.29 | luke-jr | lol |
| 13:47.41 | Sicelo | :P |
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| 16:44.15 | sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: what's the deal with wiki then? I'm home now. |
| 16:48.42 | sixwheeledbeast | I don't believe it's best practice to modify every page containing tablets-dev. Would make sense to have one page with links and reference that, then if links change in the future again you are not changing loads of pages again. All IMO OFC |
| 17:11.39 | KotCzarny | sf page should stay for a while |
| 17:11.55 | KotCzarny | so its safe to assume not having to change that often |
| 17:12.22 | KotCzarny | as for the change i wanted, there i was missing some features when using MonoBook skin |
| 17:13.22 | KotCzarny | which i assume could be fixed by updating that skin (assuming its independent from maemo and that newer version is still compatible) |
| 17:20.49 | sixwheeledbeast | The best I can do is confirm that I have the same issue with MonoBook. |
| 17:22.47 | sixwheeledbeast | So you are using MonoBook not the default MonoBookMaemo2009? Which features are missing |
| 17:26.20 | KotCzarny | there is no link to edit templates in default page view, i had to click edit page then go to the bottom |
| 17:26.44 | KotCzarny | might be there are more that i havent seen |
| 17:27.20 | KotCzarny | and im using that particular skin because i need white-on-black and minimal screen estate wasted |
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| 17:33.52 | sixwheeledbeast | I have never played with the skins but monobook is awful |
| 17:34.06 | KotCzarny | yup. minimalistic |
| 17:34.57 | sixwheeledbeast | where I am I looking for the missing link? |
| 17:35.12 | KotCzarny | go to MADDE wiki page |
| 17:35.20 | KotCzarny | it has notice on top which is a template |
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| 17:35.37 | KotCzarny | in default skin there is a link on the right to edit it (in views) |
| 17:36.16 | sixwheeledbeast | I gotcha let me check |
| 17:37.52 | sixwheeledbeast | they look the same here. |
| 17:38.09 | sixwheeledbeast | oh views |
| 17:40.12 | sixwheeledbeast | It's just the layout of the skin, edit is a tab at the top in MonoBook |
| 17:42.02 | KotCzarny | cant check now, no x atm, will dig a bit tomorrow, thx! |
| 17:42.24 | KotCzarny | though its not just edit of the page |
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| 17:43.08 | KotCzarny | would be nice to have a 'edit' link on the top of templates |
| 17:45.58 | sixwheeledbeast | In the default skin the VIews section on the side is the tabs along the top on MonoBook, I have all of them including Admin ones like protect etc. |
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| 18:49.29 | ds3 | yes, I do want to run a maemo environment on android. a regular distro doesn't cut it. Try using an Xt widget app on a 6" touch cap sense touch screen |
| 18:49.46 | ds3 | maemo apps have the widgets tweaked for smaller touch screens |
| 18:50.10 | ds3 | as for permissions, chroot requires it but there is proot that can solve the perms issues |
| 18:50.59 | KotCzarny | ds3, you can tweak gtk/qt/other DE themes |
| 18:52.18 | KotCzarny | but apps themselves must be ported to small screen, as in the case of many maemo ports |
| 18:52.52 | KotCzarny | for starters you can try copying gtk theme from maemo to see what happens |
| 18:56.52 | freemangordon | ds3: The last couple of days I am thinking to start porting h-d to some recent distro(most-probably devuan) and run it on a tablet. |
| 18:57.20 | freemangordon | well, most-probably I will partially reuse smoku's work on cordia |
| 18:58.05 | freemangordon | could you recommend a tablet to use as a development device? |
| 19:04.58 | KotCzarny | fmg: want high performing one or nicely supported? |
| 19:05.29 | KotCzarny | allwinner a10/a20 tablets are dirt cheap and usually able to run mainline kernel/uboot |
| 19:05.54 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: I want one I can boot my "distro to be" without having to patch the kernel to just make it boot |
| 19:06.01 | freemangordon | is that ARM? |
| 19:06.11 | KotCzarny | fmg: yup, a20 soc is dual core a7 |
| 19:06.37 | KotCzarny | for devel work regarding porting DE and apps its perfect |
| 19:07.44 | freemangordon | yep, looks like. and it seems avalable for under 80 euros here. thanks! |
| 19:07.53 | KotCzarny | there are cheaper ones too |
| 19:08.30 | KotCzarny | you can look for some second hand ones (rebrands are plenty) |
| 19:08.49 | freemangordon | I don;t really care that much about the price. also, if it has good HW it can be used for other stuff than development. |
| 19:09.10 | KotCzarny | video engine is still wip |
| 19:09.20 | KotCzarny | (for blobless mainline) |
| 19:09.39 | KotCzarny | but if you dont care about video decoding/encoding it shouldnt matter |
| 19:10.32 | KotCzarny | go to linux-sunxi.org and search for mainline support regarding socs |
| 19:10.56 | freemangordon | well, I guess CPU is fast enough to drive h-d, but still, even with missing HW accelleration, it still looks like the one I am looking for |
| 19:11.06 | freemangordon | already there :) |
| 19:11.55 | KotCzarny | also, alternatively you can look for rockchip based ones |
| 19:12.07 | freemangordon | ok, thanks a lot |
| 19:12.52 | KotCzarny | cpu might be fast enough, but bandwidth is limited |
| 19:13.15 | KotCzarny | VE is required to play hd clips |
| 19:13.39 | freemangordon | should not matter that much, my aim is to have bootable h-d based on modern distro |
| 19:13.53 | KotCzarny | ahm, h-d as hildon-desktop, not high def ;) |
| 19:14.05 | freemangordon | yeah, as hildon-desktop |
| 19:14.09 | freemangordon | :) |
| 19:14.26 | freemangordon | thanks for the info |
| 19:14.30 | freemangordon | goes afk |
| 19:22.19 | ds3 | I don't see the point of running multiple kernels |
| 19:22.45 | ds3 | KotCzarny: it would seem to be easier to just run the Maemo environment. |
| 19:23.25 | KotCzarny | maemo env is a dependency hell |
| 19:23.33 | KotCzarny | nokia patched it thoroughly |
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| 19:48.51 | Wizzup | freemangordon: I am testing your image now, and it seems to also stop after some time |
| 19:48.57 | Wizzup | my phones are not in R&D mode atm |
| 19:49.02 | Wizzup | so I'm pretty sure it's the watchdog kicking in |
| 19:49.16 | Wizzup | I also tried parazyd's image and that has the same problems |
| 19:49.25 | Wizzup | so likely you guys build the same image, but watchdog is an issue |
| 19:49.31 | Wizzup | I can put one in R&D mode in a bit and re-try it |
| 19:49.59 | KotCzarny | and/or add watchdog kicker? |
| 19:53.56 | Wizzup | freemangordon: works, in R&D mode |
| 19:53.56 | parazyd | freemangordon: got it booted now in R&D mode, with no-omap-wd,no-ext-wd,no-lifeguard-reset |
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| 21:28.20 | ds3 | yes, Nokia patched it. I am trying not to have to patch a debian setup from scratch |
| 21:30.17 | Sicelo | still thinks debian/devuan is way better than maemo for that purpose .. |
| 21:31.04 | Sicelo | you just need to find a DE that's finger friendly ... yes i know linux & finger friendly don't exactly fit well in the same sentence, but there is E17 for example |
| 21:31.15 | Sicelo | not the best, but relatively useable |
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| 21:33.39 | Sicelo | to stick to the 'patching' keyword - yes nokia patched it ... but they patched it in 2008/9 |
| 21:40.08 | Maxdamantus | "patched" |
| 21:40.36 | Maxdamantus | it's basically not Debian. The package histories are mostly completely separate. |
| 21:41.39 | Maxdamantus | (they might've just copied sources from Debian packages) |
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| 22:04.31 | Maxdamantus | btw on the watchdog thing, in case that's a continuation of the discussion from the other day, I think my system currently boots successfully because I do an fsck on the filesystem (ext4) after starting the busybox watchdog program and before mounting. |
| 22:05.51 | Maxdamantus | iirc, if I just mount after starting a userspace watchdog program, it till resets because the mount generally takes too long doing the checks that e2fsck could do. |
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